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Message started by Tony Bradshaw on Sep 4th, 2011 at 6:32pm

Title: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Tony Bradshaw on Sep 4th, 2011 at 6:32pm
Does anyone on this forum know what differentiates between the Socialist Alliance and the Socialist Alternative? Both are fringe Far-Left groups that exist primarily in inner-city areas of Australian capital cities. They are the thugs behind the BDS and anti-Israel protests outside Max Brenner chocolate shops. Both the Socialist Alliance and Socialist Alternative seem to have a common cause - demonise the West at any possibility whether it be based on fact or fiction. In Sydney the Alliance has been loosely working with the Greens, particularly those Greens on Marrickville Council such has Marika Kontellis and Cathy Peters.

What is the core political difference between the Alliance and the Alternative? One would have thought that the Far-Left would want to stick together and not fragment into even smaller sects.


VS


Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by astro_surf on Sep 4th, 2011 at 6:48pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Tony Bradshaw on Sep 4th, 2011 at 9:37pm

astro_surf wrote on Sep 4th, 2011 at 6:48pm:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page


Mate, Wikipedia is the reason I brought this question to OzPolitic

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by GoddyofOz on Sep 4th, 2011 at 9:39pm
The only form of Socialism I will accept is Democratic Centre Left Socialism. These guys demonstrate that the Far Left can be just as bad as the Right.

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Swagman on Sep 4th, 2011 at 10:09pm

Quote:
Does anyone on this forum know what differentiates between the Socialist Alliance and the Socialist Alternative


Probably originated at different universities.

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Tony Bradshaw on Sep 4th, 2011 at 10:21pm
the  Left in Australia is small and weak. The Greens Party is as Left as it gets in terms of people seriously thinking about who should govern

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Wattle Grove on Sep 4th, 2011 at 10:52pm




Socialist Alliance

http://www.socialist-alliance.org/



The Socialist Equality Party.

http://www.sep.org.au/website/




Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Grey on Sep 4th, 2011 at 11:01pm
Apropos of nothing perhaps, but this is a nice read :-) We are, I would claim, at least eloquent.

A personal journey through Anarchism in Australia

http://www.takver.com/history/journey.htm

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by astro_surf on Sep 5th, 2011 at 9:27pm

Tony Bradshaw wrote on Sep 4th, 2011 at 10:21pm:
the  Left in Australia is small and weak. The Greens Party is as Left as it gets in terms of people seriously thinking about who should govern


Yet has the same proportional support as the Nat's on their best days and the Lib's on their worst days and those two still manage to form government. Go figure. Maybe your old, rusty model of bipartisan politics is coming to a close? If I was you (ie a one-eyed ideologue with an axe to grind) I'd be very afraid of coal seam gas and the wedge against the Nat's in the bush over this issue. Above and beyond every major defining issue in Australia today, this is potentially the most seismic issue to really shift political alliances in a way that hasn't been seen in 60 years. Yopu laugh now but the Greens have embedded themselves as a third party in a way yjay no-one has done since the Country Party was in power. ;D

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Swagman on Sep 5th, 2011 at 10:16pm

astro_surf wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 9:27pm:
Yopu laugh now but the Greens have embedded themselves as a third party....... ;D


Yeah like a tick on the arse of the Australian political landscape with their one little Victorian seat that they won't win again.... :D :D


Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by astro_surf on Sep 5th, 2011 at 10:33pm

Swagman wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 10:16pm:

astro_surf wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 9:27pm:
Yopu laugh now but the Greens have embedded themselves as a third party....... ;D


Yeah like a tick on the arse of the Australian political landscape with their one little Victorian seat that they won't win again.... :D :D



Only because we have a fixed electoral system which deals third parties out of the equation. luckily though, we have Senate representation that is proportional to their level of support in the community :)

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 5th, 2011 at 10:36pm

astro_surf wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 9:27pm:

Tony Bradshaw wrote on Sep 4th, 2011 at 10:21pm:
the  Left in Australia is small and weak. The Greens Party is as Left as it gets in terms of people seriously thinking about who should govern


Yet has the same proportional support as the Nat's on their best days and the Lib's on their worst days and those two still manage to form government. Go figure. Maybe your old, rusty model of bipartisan politics is coming to a close? If I was you (ie a one-eyed ideologue with an axe to grind) I'd be very afraid of coal seam gas and the wedge against the Nat's in the bush over this issue. Above and beyond every major defining issue in Australia today, this is potentially the most seismic issue to really shift political alliances in a way that hasn't been seen in 60 years. Yopu laugh now but the Greens have embedded themselves as a third party in a way yjay no-one has done since the Country Party was in power. ;D


hmm i wasnt aware that the Libs had dropped under 30% never mind lowered to the Greens 12%.

but it is astro so facts are pretty 'fluid'

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by longweekend58 on Sep 5th, 2011 at 10:38pm

astro_surf wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 10:33pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 10:16pm:

astro_surf wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 9:27pm:
Yopu laugh now but the Greens have embedded themselves as a third party....... ;D


Yeah like a tick on the arse of the Australian political landscape with their one little Victorian seat that they won't win again.... :D :D



Only because we have a fixed electoral system which deals third parties out of the equation. luckily though, we have Senate representation that is proportional to their level of support in the community :)


I think you mean an electoral system that requires MPs to (gasp!) WIN their seat by coming first. You greens just want a special olympics-style system that rewards participation rather than victory.

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Tony Bradshaw on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:00am


Listen to Ben Fordham get stuck into Greens Senator Lee Rhiannon over her endorsement of the radical Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) policy against Israeli businesses and lashes her for supporting bigotted protesters outside Max Brenner chocolate shops. Bob Brown must be spitting chips everytime Rhiannon opens her mouth!

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=9951

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Soren on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:13am

Swagman wrote on Sep 4th, 2011 at 10:09pm:

Quote:
Does anyone on this forum know what differentiates between the Socialist Alliance and the Socialist Alternative


Probably originated at different universities.



And anyway, they are both  - splitters!!

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Imperium II on Sep 6th, 2011 at 3:59pm
are they trots? trots are the worst

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Stewart on Sep 6th, 2011 at 9:06pm
Welcome to fractured scene of fringe politics.
caution discussion of socialist parties in australia
In simple terms Alternative is Trotskyist and Alliance is more inclined to Stalinism.

you have missed a third organization, Solidarity which is also Trotskyist. In the 1990s a schism emerged in the International Socialist Organisation(ISO). This is why Socialist Alternative is alternative, they are mainly located around Melbourne. Solidarity split away from ISO in the early 00s and what was left of ISO (And others organisation) later went on to form Socialist Alliance, a Stalinist organization they were aligned with the Democratic Socialist Party (now merged with Alliance) their publication is Green Left Weekly. In 2008 following their withdrawal from Socialist Alliance ISO joined Solidarity, Alternative was not invited to this merger.  Oh yeah there was another split from DSP, in 2008 known as the Revolutionary Socialist Party.

Confused yet?
So whats the difference
Alternative has been highly critical of most other organisations and of the Labor government, arguing that a Labor government is almost as bad as the Libs/Nats. It has been extremely critical of Alliance on virtually every policy they have. I would have to do some searching for specific examples. Of the organizations, Alternative place very little importance on straight electoral work. They have also been critical of Solidarity, there was a lot of thuggery between SA solidarity of the latter purportedly supporting the Gillard Governments then proposed East Timor Solution. Recently SA approached Solidarity about merging together, arguing that their policies were very similar as opposed to those published by Green Left Weekly. Solidarity gave them a very stiff Get stuffed.

Hope this helps

NB - I would like to remind the reader that S.A is Alternative and Not Alliance, sorry for any confusion.

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Tony Bradshaw on Sep 6th, 2011 at 9:31pm

Stewart wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 9:06pm:
Welcome to fractured scene of fringe politics.
caution discussion of socialist parties in australia
In simple terms Alternative is Trotskyist and Alliance is more inclined to Stalinism.

you have missed a third organization, Solidarity which is also Trotskyist. In the 1990s a schism emerged in the International Socialist Organisation(ISO). This is why Socialist Alternative is alternative, they are mainly located around Melbourne. Solidarity split away from ISO in the early 00s and what was left of ISO (And others organisation) later went on to form Socialist Alliance, a Stalinist organization they were aligned with the Democratic Socialist Party (now merged with Alliance) their publication is Green Left Weekly. In 2008 following their withdrawal from Socialist Alliance ISO joined Solidarity, Alternative was not invited to this merger.  Oh yeah there was another split from DSP, in 2008 known as the Revolutionary Socialist Party.

Confused yet?
So whats the difference
Alternative has been highly critical of most other organisations and of the Labor government, arguing that a Labor government is almost as bad as the Libs/Nats. It has been extremely critical of Alliance on virtually every policy they have. I would have to do some searching for specific examples. Of the organizations, Alternative place very little importance on straight electoral work. They have also been critical of Solidarity, there was a lot of thuggery between SA solidarity of the latter purportedly supporting the Gillard Governments then proposed East Timor Solution. Recently SA approached Solidarity about merging together, arguing that their policies were very similar as opposed to those published by Green Left Weekly. Solidarity gave them a very stiff Get stuffed.

Hope this helps

NB - I would like to remind the reader that S.A is Alternative and Not Alliance, sorry for any confusion.



:)  Thanks so much. I don't personally know anyone involved with either organisation so cheers for enlightening me! Seems the Far-Left in this country can't even cooperate amongst themselves let alone decide what "form" of Socialism they adhere to. What an absolute rabble these groups are. Here we are in 2011 Australia and there are still political groups who take inspiration from "Stalinism".  :D (Face Palm)

Title: Re: Socialthe opist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Tony Bradshaw on Sep 6th, 2011 at 9:48pm
Socialist Alliance has also worked with the NSW Greens during state election campaigns. NSW Upper house Greens member David Shoebridge recently gave a speech at the opening of the Green Left Weekly's new "Resistance Centre" in Ultimo. Is this really appropriate? Would Bob Brown want the Greens so close to these fringe groups?

Photos from the opening of the "Resistance Centre" can be seen on Facebook here. In attendance are David Shoebridge, Greens Marrickville Clr Cathy Peters amongst others:

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150314285434973.382060.574959972&type=1#!/media/set/?set=a.10150314285434973.382060.574959972&type=1 Note the pro-Palestinian paraphernalia in abundance

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by hawil on Sep 6th, 2011 at 9:53pm

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 3:59pm:
are they trots? trots are the worst


The Rotten Systems, and is there an Alterative?

The so called Civilizations since mankind came out of the cave, or maybe came down from the trees have hardly changed over thousands of years, because we are now as brutal to each other as they were in the stone ages; the only difference is, that thousands of years ago, men fought each other with sticks and stones, and now destructive weapons are used to the point that the planet on which we live could be completely destroyed in matters of minutes, if the potent weapons, designed by very clever people, put into the hands of not so clever, so called leaders, be they Kings, Dictators or just Politicians, and none of the latter display any scruples or courage to speak up against what should be spoken up against.

But in the so called Democracy, are the Politicians only to be blamed?

If a Politician speaks honestly, if that is possible, will he/she be re-elected at the next election; most likely not, and that is the weakness of a Democracy, the citizens in a Democracy cannot accept the truth, which may go against the voters interests, be it economically or otherwise.

How could Democracy be improved so that it becomes a better system of Government than all the other systems that preceded it?

Considering the previous systems, Be they Oligarchies, Royalties, Plutocracies  or Communism.

The first three are only for the benefit of the few, based on either birth or other means, while the last would be the best, yet it completely collapsed after less than a hundred years, but why did Communism collapse so quickly?

The Capitalist always harp on the idea of being the human nature, and greed will always come out on top, when it comes to benefit humanity.

For Communism to work, the human mind has to broaden enormously, because if people think that Communism is a system made in heaven, they are very wrong, because it is obvious that if nobody is prepared to put the effort he/she is capable of, and everybody has no desire to limit their consumption, the system cannot function.
But in any system, the main problem is, that there are always people trying to usurp the leading positions, and there is nothing wrong with that as long as they are capable of being the leaders and are not just in the leading positions for their own benefit or boost their big ego.

As most of the aspiring leaders have the ability to fool the common people, by first crawling to them, and when they are in positions of power they will quickly turn around and often misuse the power vested in them.

The people in power also have the great ability of surrounding themselves with underlings who will lick the boots of their leaders, and empower the leader to overcome any attempt to challenge their leadership

Many male leaders are often also controlled by their wives or female partners and are rather weak in reality, but very cunning to outwit their opponents, but in the long run, the society with weak or unfair leaders always suffers.

In a Marriage, where a partner with less ability gains control through having a thicker skin, in the end both partners will not achieve their full potential, and this will also apply in every other Organization up to the leadership in Governments.

That does not mean that the more skillful partner in a marriage should debase his/her partner, but for the benefit of both and the community at large, fools should not be leaders, but use their skills and talents for the benefit of a family, a group or Government, and the so called Indians are just as valuable to society as are the Chiefs.

Never, never should the leaders in society be left in total position of power, but should  always be challenged  to explain and justify their actions.

Unfortunately many individuals which are prepared to challenge the leaders or the system are conveniently accused of “Rocking the Boat” or called “Whistleblowers” and many times they pay a high price for their actions.

Also the leaders of any society should not be put on a pedestal and idolized like super heroes, and when the people in power talk about serving the Community, they should really show their true colours and admit that they are not in those positions for their own ego and like to have the nose in the trough.

How many families become career politicians; now if to be a politician is such a hard and demanding task, a parent would hardly encourage their offspring to follow in their

footsteps.

One way how Democratic performance could be greatly improved would be is , instead of having the Senate and Legislative Councils, abolish them and set up Committees of interested citizens to perform the task of keeping a watch over the Governments, and they should not be paid, except being remunerated for any expenses in performing their tasks.

There could also be some risk that this committees set up to keep the “bastards honest” do not become in to the same mould of the Australian Democrats, which although now completely obliterated, are a huge burden on the taxpayers, as there are many quite young ex MP’s enjoying the benefits of a generous parliamentary pension, with all the attached perks.

In the capitalist system, much emphasis is placed on the value of capital for the benefit of society, but is capital really so important for the function of society

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Soren on Sep 6th, 2011 at 10:41pm

Tony Bradshaw wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:00am:


Listen to Ben Fordham get stuck into Greens Senator Lee Rhiannon over her endorsement of the radical Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) policy against Israeli businesses and lashes her for supporting bigotted protesters outside Max Brenner chocolate shops. Bob Brown must be spitting chips everytime Rhiannon opens her mouth!

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=9951



Letter to the Ed today:

Did she (Rhiannon) boycott any communist countries when they were committing some of the greatest atrocities of the 20th century? When the Soviet Union invaded Czechoslovakia to crush the Prague Spring, did Rhiannon boycott the Soviets? No, she joined the Socialist Party of Australia, a pro-Soviet grouping that split from the Communist Party of Australia after the CPA abhorred the Soviet actions.

Did she boycott the Soviet Union when it was administering psychiatric abuse such as electro-shocks to its dissidents? No, she led a delegation to Moscow. She even made an appearance in Soviet Woman.

Not even in the dying days of the Soviet dictatorship did she protest about human rights abuses.



Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by helian on Sep 6th, 2011 at 10:44pm

Soren wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 10:41pm:

Tony Bradshaw wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:00am:


Listen to Ben Fordham get stuck into Greens Senator Lee Rhiannon over her endorsement of the radical Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) policy against Israeli businesses and lashes her for supporting bigotted protesters outside Max Brenner chocolate shops. Bob Brown must be spitting chips everytime Rhiannon opens her mouth!

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=9951



Letter to the Ed today:

Did she (Rhiannon) boycott any communist countries when they were committing some of the greatest atrocities of the 20th century? When the Soviet Union invaded Czechoslovakia to crush the Prague Spring, did Rhiannon boycott the Soviets? No, she joined the Socialist Party of Australia, a pro-Soviet grouping that split from the Communist Party of Australia after the CPA abhorred the Soviet actions.

Did she boycott the Soviet Union when it was administering psychiatric abuse such as electro-shocks to its dissidents? No, she led a delegation to Moscow. She even made an appearance in Soviet Woman.

Not even in the dying days of the Soviet dictatorship did she protest about human rights abuses.

One of the last and most persistent of the 'useful idiots' it seems.

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Imperium II on Sep 6th, 2011 at 10:51pm
was walking around australian national university's campus a few months ago

it was raining and i was the only one around since it was a break

i noticed that there was a heap of posters advertising this trotskyite meeting at the campus

they were next to these feminist rally meeting posters

i tore a bunch of them down

why are feminism and trotskyism so big on aussie campuses?

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Soren on Sep 6th, 2011 at 10:52pm
It's time for a Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) against the Greens for their association with and support for, blatant support for persons guilty of crimes and insults against intelligence.


Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by helian on Sep 6th, 2011 at 10:57pm

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 10:51pm:
was walking around australian national university's campus a few months ago

it was raining and i was the only one around since it was a break

You ever thought of writing? (maybe you do)...

You're a natural at unselfconscious humour ;D

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Tony Bradshaw on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:00pm

Soren wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 10:52pm:
It's time for a Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) against the Greens for their association with and support for, blatant support for persons guilty of crimes and insults against intelligence.


The Greens boast that they don't accept corporate donations. I think it would be more accurate to say that corporations don't donate to the Greens!

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Imperium II on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:00pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 10:57pm:

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 10:51pm:
was walking around australian national university's campus a few months ago

it was raining and i was the only one around since it was a break

You ever thought of writing? (maybe you do)...

You're a natural at unselfconscious humour ;D


i wanted to truly create an illustration of the solitude of the scene

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Imperium II on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:02pm
which itself was representational of a lone man's struggle against leftist cultural subversion :o :o :o :o

enacted

out

in

my

life

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by helian on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:04pm

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:00pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 10:57pm:

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 10:51pm:
was walking around australian national university's campus a few months ago

it was raining and i was the only one around since it was a break

You ever thought of writing? (maybe you do)...

You're a natural at unselfconscious humour ;D


i wanted to truly create an illustration of the solitude of the scene

Well, you did better than that... You also gave it an air of poignancy and humour.

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by helian on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:05pm

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:02pm:
which itself was representational of a lone man's struggle against leftist cultural subversion :o :o :o :o

enacted

out

in

my

life

Keep going... You're on a roll...  ;D

Let us know when your first novel is about to hit the stands.

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Imperium II on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:08pm
penguin publishing


Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Tony Bradshaw on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:10pm

Soren wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 10:41pm:

Tony Bradshaw wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:00am:


Listen to Ben Fordham get stuck into Greens Senator Lee Rhiannon over her endorsement of the radical Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) policy against Israeli businesses and lashes her for supporting bigotted protesters outside Max Brenner chocolate shops. Bob Brown must be spitting chips everytime Rhiannon opens her mouth!

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=9951



Letter to the Ed today:

Did she (Rhiannon) boycott any communist countries when they were committing some of the greatest atrocities of the 20th century? When the Soviet Union invaded Czechoslovakia to crush the Prague Spring, did Rhiannon boycott the Soviets? No, she joined the Socialist Party of Australia, a pro-Soviet grouping that split from the Communist Party of Australia after the CPA abhorred the Soviet actions.

Did she boycott the Soviet Union when it was administering psychiatric abuse such as electro-shocks to its dissidents? No, she led a delegation to Moscow. She even made an appearance in Soviet Woman.

Not even in the dying days of the Soviet dictatorship did she protest about human rights abuses.


The realities you talk about Soren need to be exposed for all Australians to see. Why hasn't a Lib/Nat member of parliament stood up and blasted her for her disgraceful history. Rhiannon's past is more damaging than Craig Thomson. We essentially have a member of the Australian Senate who supported a brutal totalitarian dictatorship for most of her adult life.

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by helian on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:10pm

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:08pm:
penguin publishing


Great title for a novel ;D

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Imperium II on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:14pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:10pm:

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:08pm:
penguin publishing


Great title for a novel ;D


sometimes there really are no shades of grey :-X

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Soren on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:15pm
torn posters flapping
on concrete wall,
soaked in gentle rain

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by helian on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:17pm

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:14pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:10pm:

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:08pm:
penguin publishing


Great title for a novel ;D


sometimes there really are no shades of grey :-X

And sometimes there are... All evens out in the end... The tao of the universe... It all  equals zero.

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Imperium II on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:17pm
is that a haiku

feminism is really huge on aus uni campuses though its like the biggest political thing except maybe palestinian 'liberation'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQMAjPjm2cY

bunch of losers

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Imperium II on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:18pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:17pm:

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:14pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:10pm:

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:08pm:
penguin publishing


Great title for a novel ;D


sometimes there really are no shades of grey :-X

And sometimes there are... All evens out in the end... The tao of the universe... It equals zero.



Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by helian on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:19pm

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:17pm:
feminism is really huge on aus uni campuses though its like the biggest political thing except maybe palestinian liberation

bunch of losers

Bit obsessed with feminism, you are...

Were you ever a carpet layer? (to be spoken with a Viennese accent).

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Imperium II on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:20pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:19pm:

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:17pm:
feminism is really huge on aus uni campuses though its like the biggest political thing except maybe palestinian liberation

bunch of losers

Bit obsessed with feminism, you are...

Were you ever a carpet layer?


i was calling the max brenner palestino protestors in the vid losers

uh i dunno im not really obsessed with it its aus uni students who have a massive obsession with it

seriously

im just reporting on it

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by helian on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:21pm

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:20pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:19pm:

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:17pm:
feminism is really huge on aus uni campuses though its like the biggest political thing except maybe palestinian liberation

bunch of losers

Bit obsessed with feminism, you are...

Were you ever a carpet layer?

uh i dunno im not really obsessed with it its aus uni students who have a massive obsession with it

seriously

And you, I think...

And the carpet laying... Were you?


Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Imperium II on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:23pm
nah you prob need to do a 5 year apprenticeship now or a 9 year tafe course to be able to do something like that

UNITs 1 THROUGH 50 - PUTTING THE CARPET ON THE GROUND

SUB UNITS

HOLDING THE CARPET: DURATION 5 WEEKS
PLACING THE CARPET ON THE FLOOR: DUARTION 4 WEEKS
RETRIEVING THE FASTENING DEVICE: 4 WEEKS

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by helian on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:25pm

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:23pm:
nah you prob need to do a 5 year apprenticeship now or a 9 year tafe course to be able to do something like that

UNITs 1 THROUGH 50 - PUTTING THE CARPET ON THE GROUND

SUB UNITS

HOLDING THE CARPET: DURATION 5 WEEKS
PLACING THE CARPET ON THE FLOOR: DUARTION 4 WEEKS
RETRIEVING THE FASTENING DEVICE: 4 WEEKS

Then a quick lick and you're done.

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Imperium II on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:26pm
innunendo :o

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by helian on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:28pm

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:26pm:
innunendo :o

Ahh... yeah... That was the tag!

Innuendo - Spanish for....

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Imperium II on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:30pm
you must be bored tonight m8

laid off from your job again?

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by helian on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:32pm

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:30pm:
you must be bored tonight m8

laid off from your job again?

Nah, just trying to work out whether you're an accidental comedian or if you're aware of it...

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Imperium II on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:33pm
lol wtf

of course im aware that you're playing verbal games here

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by helian on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:35pm

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:33pm:
lol wtf

of course im aware that you're playing verbal games here

Yeah, but that's not what I'm trying to work out.

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Imperium II on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:38pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:35pm:

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:33pm:
lol wtf

of course im aware that you're playing verbal games here

Yeah, but that's not what I'm trying to work out.


oh you mean whether im just bein hilarious on purpose or whether my hilarity is sort of natural and cant really be explicitly and consciously delivered

i dunno prob a little from column a  a little from column b

8-)

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by helian on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:40pm

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:38pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:35pm:

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:33pm:
lol wtf

of course im aware that you're playing verbal games here

Yeah, but that's not what I'm trying to work out.


oh you mean whether im just bein hilarious on purpose or whether my hilarity is sort of natural and cant really be explicitly and consciously delivered

Yeah, that's it.

Talent is common... Its recognition of one's talent that's uncommon.

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Imperium II on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:42pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:40pm:

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:38pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:35pm:

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:33pm:
lol wtf

of course im aware that you're playing verbal games here

Yeah, but that's not what I'm trying to work out.


oh you mean whether im just bein hilarious on purpose or whether my hilarity is sort of natural and cant really be explicitly and consciously delivered

Yeah, that's it.

Talent is common... Its recognition of one's talent that's uncommon.


talent in the case of being funny might actually be a bit in the eye of the beholder as well :o

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by helian on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:44pm

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:42pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:40pm:

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:38pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:35pm:

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:33pm:
lol wtf

of course im aware that you're playing verbal games here

Yeah, but that's not what I'm trying to work out.


oh you mean whether im just bein hilarious on purpose or whether my hilarity is sort of natural and cant really be explicitly and consciously delivered

Yeah, that's it.

Talent is common... Its recognition of one's talent that's uncommon.


talent in the case of being funny might actually be a bit in the eye of the beholder as well :o

Well, if its true that humour doesn't travel well (and I'm certain it doesn't)... I'd say it's effect is entirely subjective.

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by Imperium II on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:46pm
i remember when we thought karnal was for real

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by helian on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:49pm

barnaby joe wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:46pm:
i remember when we thought karnal was for real

For about 15 minutes...

He's too studied with his humour... Although his Karzai posts were pretty good.

Title: Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Post by hawil on Sep 7th, 2011 at 9:11pm

Soren wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 10:41pm:

Tony Bradshaw wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:00am:


Listen to Ben Fordham get stuck into Greens Senator Lee Rhiannon over her endorsement of the radical Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) policy against Israeli businesses and lashes her for supporting bigotted protesters outside Max Brenner chocolate shops. Bob Brown must be spitting chips everytime Rhiannon opens her mouth!

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=9951



Letter to the Ed today:

Did she (Rhiannon) boycott any communist countries when they were committing some of the greatest atrocities of the 20th century? When the Soviet Union invaded Czechoslovakia to crush the Prague Spring, did Rhiannon boycott the Soviets? No, she joined the Socialist Party of Australia, a pro-Soviet grouping that split from the Communist Party of Australia after the CPA abhorred the Soviet actions.

Did she boycott the Soviet Union when it was administering psychiatric abuse such as electro-shocks to its dissidents? No, she led a delegation to Moscow. She even made an appearance in Soviet Woman.

Not even in the dying days of the Soviet dictatorship did she protest about human rights abuses.


Rhiannon is not a Communist, nor a Greeny, but just an Opportunist; she will jump to any opportunity to get elected.
People like Rhiannon, Stalin, Trotsky and co. are the downfall of Communism or call it Socialism, because they are using, or have used the system only for their own beneft, as are all the other politicians, be they Labor, Liberal , Greens or whatever.
I have no rspect for any of them, but until a different system of government emerges, we have to put up with it.
I,am sure all the politicians will do anything to prevent a fairer system to evolve.
My last post may be rather lengthy, but why not read and debate it, disect it, contradict it or whatever, I,am prepared to take any criticism.

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