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Member Run Boards >> Environment >> Mike Mann cleared AGAIN http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1314101825 Message started by astro_surf on Aug 23rd, 2011 at 10:17pm |
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Title: Mike Mann cleared AGAIN Post by astro_surf on Aug 23rd, 2011 at 10:17pm
Whaqt's this, like the fourth of the fith time now?
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Title: Re: Mike Mann cleared AGAIN Post by Soren on Aug 24th, 2011 at 9:21am
"There has been a consistent pattern of failing to display the proper degree of openness," the panel said in July 2010.
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Title: Re: Mike Mann cleared AGAIN Post by Deathridesahorse on Aug 25th, 2011 at 2:18am Soren wrote on Aug 24th, 2011 at 9:21am:
In the West they are talking about cost-benefit analyses.... LOL: openess, yeh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know,......... you should play the openess card soren ya dumb liberal voter!!!! :o :o :D ;D ;) ;) :-[ ::) :-X :-* :-X :'( |
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Title: Re: Mike Mann cleared AGAIN Post by progressiveslol on Nov 24th, 2011 at 6:36am
As we see from Climategate 2.0, people should buy shares in 'whitewash' as there has been plenty of use of this product and plenty to come.
Is Mann even a scientist. You should check out the failings of his Hockey Stick and the utter poor judgement (or was it, as it made a nice hockey stick and good for the cause) to use tree ring data in the first place. ------- A tree only grows on land. That excludes 70% of the earth covered by water. A tree does no grow on ice. A tree does not grow in a desert. A tree does not grow on grassland-savannahs. A tree does not grow in alpine areas. A tree does not grow in the tundra We are left with perhaps 15% of the planet upon which forests grow/grew. That does not make any studies from tree rings global, or even hemispheric. The width and density of tree rings is dependent upon the following variables which cannot be reliably separated from each other. sunlight – if the sun varies, the ring will vary. But not at night of course. cloudiness – more clouds, less sun, less ring. pests/disease – a caterpillar or locust plague will reduce photosynthesis access to sunlight – competition within a forest can disadvantage or advantage some trees. moisture/rainfall – a key variable. Trees do not prosper in a droughteven if there’s a heat wave. snow packing in spring around the base of the trees retards growth temperature – finally! The tree ring is a composite of all these variables, not merely of temperature. Therefore on the 15% of the planet covered by trees, their rings do not and cannot accurately record temperature in isolation from the other environmental variables. In my article on Greening Earth Society on the Hockey Stick, I point to other evidence which contradicts Mann’s theory. The Idso’s have produced more of that evidence, and a new article on Greening Earth has `unearthed’ even more. Mann’s theory simply does not stack up. But that was not the key issue. Anyone can put up a dud theory from time to time. What is at issue is the uncritical zeal with which the industry siezed on the theory before its scientific value had been properly tested. In one go, they tossed aside dozens of studies which confirmed the existence of the MWE and LIA as global events, and all on the basis of tree rings – a proxy which has all the deficiencies I have stated above. The worst thing I can say about any paper such as his is that it is `bad science’. Legal restraint prevents me going further. But in his case, only those restraints prevent me going *much* further. Cheers John Daly |
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Title: Re: Mike Mann cleared AGAIN Post by progressiveslol on Nov 26th, 2011 at 10:15am
Shares in 'whitewash' just went up. Keep buying, climate alarmists.
From the Climategatew 2.0 collection, Keith Briffa wonders out loud to Michael Mann whether he should participate in the 2007 National Research Council (often mistakenly referred to as the National Academy of Sciences) review of the hokey stick. Mann encourages Briffa, but tells him not to worry since its all arranged to produce the right outcome. http://junkscience.com/2011/11/25/climategate-2-0-nas-review-of-hokey-stick-rigged-by-alarmists/ |
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