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Title: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Maqqa on Jul 7th, 2011 at 5:07pm
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/getup-plans-grocery-boycott/story-fn59niix-1226089992769
LEFT-leaning activist group GetUp! has flagged a boycott of major food companies in retaliation for an anti-carbon tax campaign involving the Australian Food and Grocery Council. The group's director Simon Sheikh has written to food makers, warning they face action from 570,000 GetUp! members. "It is our intention in the next few days to provide easy to use product information to our membership such that they can boycott goods and services that are linked to the scare campaign that the Australian Food and Grocery Council are about to sign up to," he said. The letter asks company chiefs to answer a series of questions, including whether they accept the science of climate change, whether they back a carbon price, and whether they would consider resigning from the industry body. It says GetUp! members and the public will be informed of the answers given. The AFGC's members include more than 150 companies, including household names like Coca Cola, Nestle, Fosters and McDonald's. Its full membership is published on its website. The council recently flagged its intention to join a multi-million anti-carbon tax campaign involving the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry, the Minerals Council of Australia and other peak industry groups. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Maqqa on Jul 7th, 2011 at 5:09pm
If GetUp believes the information is wrong then under a free democracy they have a right of reply. They have the right to publish opposing information
But this is bully-boy tactic from GetUp Anyone on the left supporting this bully-boy tactic? It's called free speech!! |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by WESLEY.PIPES on Jul 7th, 2011 at 5:12pm Quote:
Unfortunately, they will count me among those members. I simply wrote them a 'please explain' re: their inaction over labors malaysian solution, next thing I know they're sending me 'welcome to getup emails' I want nothing to do with the clowns, and I wonder how many more of the 570,000 actually believe in them. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Imperium II on Jul 7th, 2011 at 5:14pm
yeah they're worthless
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by progressiveslol on Jul 7th, 2011 at 5:18pm
Getup are just a labor and greens front to try and sway public opinion for their policies.
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by IWontPayMyBills on Jul 7th, 2011 at 5:18pm Maqqa wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 5:09pm:
Actually no - competition is bully boy tactics - this is anti competitive tactics, passive aggressive threats of punitive economic damage for non compliance through boycotting. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by cods on Jul 7th, 2011 at 6:07pm
I have been waiting along with" beware for "information regarding a march for PETROL TAX... lol..
but they come up with this instead... as if retail groceries went in enough trouble... well done GETUP..did we get the chance to vote for this mob?????? as they seem to be running things to whatever suits the owner.. maybe he has shares in all those companies that are for this TAX.. he looks rich and not a care in the world how much his electricity bill will be..a bit like our Cate. well it was due to him and his members that labor had the backlash regarding the ETS..so he must be realy satisified.. he may even organise his motley crew to petition about only 500 industries... and the $23 a tonne...I am sure he and they would like more. btw wattle I signed their save the live cattle email petition..before I got all the facts of course. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by buzzanddidj on Jul 7th, 2011 at 6:11pm Maqqa wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 5:09pm:
EXACTLY ! |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by cods on Jul 7th, 2011 at 6:16pm buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 6:11pm:
WHATS FREE ABOUT ANARCHY. someone not in authority telling its members how to behave. like marching.petitioning. boycotting. what next.... bows and arrows at the draw bridge? istn that how Gaddafi started? |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by dsmithy70 on Jul 7th, 2011 at 6:25pm Maqqa wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 5:09pm:
What did you call the mining industries campaign, it also harnessed it's base to push an agenda? Are you saying that an industry has more rights of protest than an organisation of citizen's? Wes I doubt you'd be included if you have haven't joined.It would be the sort of scandal that would destroy any credibility they had garnered & exactly what their rivals would be searching for. Besides they are providing a list and answers from leaders for you to make your own choice, hardly anarchy in the streets. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by IWontPayMyBills on Jul 7th, 2011 at 6:27pm cods wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 6:16pm:
its called cooperative collective action, the antidote to competition - I refuse to be competitive - I refuse to compete against my fellow worker and citizen or try to defeat them or cooperate with those who try to enforce competition. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Kat on Jul 7th, 2011 at 6:33pm GetUp lost me when they rolled-over on Conroy's censorship scheme. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Maqqa on Jul 7th, 2011 at 6:35pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 6:25pm:
Both are interest groups Each interest groups has the rights to engage it's target audience directly with their messages But when one interest group engage another interest group directly to stop the messages from coming out then that's not on |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by adelcrow on Jul 7th, 2011 at 6:39pm
I do luv it when GetUp..gets up the noses of the born to rule class ;D ;D
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by salad in on Jul 7th, 2011 at 6:43pm Maqqa wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 5:07pm:
It won't impact us. Australian companies are few in these days of overseas corporate raiders. It's funny watching USA companies like Coke and Maccas caught up in all this when their own country is shunning a CO2 tax. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by buzzanddidj on Jul 7th, 2011 at 6:58pm
AFGC MEMBERS LIST AS AT 03 JUNE 2011
Arnott's Biscuits Limited Asia-Pacific Blending Corporation P/L Barilla Australia Pty Ltd Beak & Johnston Pty Ltd Beechworth Honey Pty Ltd Beerenberg Pty Ltd Bickfords Australia Birch and Waite Foods Pty Ltd BOC Gases Australia Limited Bronte Industries Pty Ltd Bulla Dairy Foods Bundaberg Brewed Drinks Pty Ltd Bundaberg Sugar Limited Byford Flour Mills T/a Millers Foods Campbell’s Soup Australia Cantarella Bros Pty Ltd Cerebos (Australia) Limited Cheetham Salt Ltd Christie Tea Pty Ltd Church & Dwight (Australia) Pty Ltd Clorox Australia Pty Ltd Coca-Cola Amatil (Aust) Limited Coca-Cola South Pacific Pty Ltd Colgate-Palmolive Pty Ltd Coopers Brewery Limited Danisco Australia Pty Ltd Devro Pty Ltd DSM Food Specialties Australia Pty Ltd Earlee Products Eagle Boys Pizza FPM Cereal Milling Systems Pty Ltd Ferrero Australia Fibrisol Services Australia Pty Ltd Fonterra Brands (Australia) Pty Ltd Food Spectrum Group Foster’s Group Limited Frucor Beverages (Australia) General Mills Australia Pty Ltd George Weston Foods Limited GlaxoSmithKline Consumer Healthcare Go Natural Goodman Fielder Limited Gourmet Food Holdings H J Heinz Company Australia Limited Harvest FreshCuts Pty Ltd Healthy Snacks Hela Schwarz Hoyt Food Manufacturing Industries P/L Hungry Jack’s Australia Jalna Dairy Foods JBS Australia Pty Limited Johnson & Johnson Pacific Pty Ltd Kellogg (Australia) Pty Ltd Kerry Ingredients Australia Pty Ltd Kimberly-Clark Australia Pty Ltd Kraft Foods Asia Pacific Laucke Flour Mills Lion Nathan National Foods Limited Madura Tea Estates Manildra Harwood Sugars Mars Australia McCain Foods (Aust) Pty Ltd McCormick Foods Aust. Pty Ltd McDonald’s Australia Merisant Manufacturing Aust. Pty Ltd Nerada Tea Pty Ltd Nestlé Australia Limited Nutricia Australia Pty Ltd Ocean Spray International Inc Only Organic 2003 Pty Ltd Parmalat Australia Limited Patties Foods Pty Ltd Pfizer Consumer Healthcare Procter & Gamble Australia Pty Ltd Queen Fine Foods Pty Ltd QSR Holdings Reckitt Benckiser (Aust) Pty Ltd Safcol Canning Pty Ltd Sanitarium Health and Wellbeing Sara Lee Australia SCA Hygiene Australasia Schweppes Australia Sensient Technologies Simplot Australia Pty Ltd Spicemasters of Australia Pty Ltd Stuart Alexander & Co Pty Ltd Subway Sugar Australia Pty Ltd SunRice Tasmanian Flour Mills Pty Ltd Tate & Lyle ANZ The Smith’s Snackfood Co. The Wrigley Company Tixana Pty Ltd Unilever Australasia Vital Health Foods (Australia) Pty Ltd Ward McKenzie Pty Ltd Wyeth Australia Pty Ltd Yakult Australia Pty Ltd Yum Restaurants International Associate & *Affiliate Members Accenture Australian Pork Limited ACI Operations Pty Ltd Amcor Fibre Packaging *ASMI AT Kearney BRI Australia Pty Ltd *Baking Association Australia CAS Systems of Australia CHEP Asia-Pacific CSIRO Food and Nutritional Sciences CoreProcess (Australia) Pty Ltd *CropLife CROSSMARK Asia Pacific Dairy Australia Food Liaison Pty Ltd FoodLegal *Foodservice Suppliers Ass. Aust. *Food industry Association QLD *Food industry Association WA Foodbank Australia Limited *Go Grains Health & Nutrition Ltd Grant Thornton GS1 Harris Smith IBM Business Cons Svcs innovations & solutions KN3W Ideas Pty Ltd KPMG Leadership Solutions Legal Finesse Linfox Australia Pty Ltd Logan Office of Economic Dev. Meat and Livestock Australia Limited Monsanto Australia Limited New Zealand Trade and Enterprise RQA Asia Pacific StayinFront Group Australia Strikeforce Alliance Swire Cold Storage Swisslog Australia Pty Ltd Tetra Pak Marketing Pty Ltd The Food Group Australia The Nielsen Company Touchstone Cons. Australia Pty Ltd Valesco Consulting FZE Visy Pak Wiley & Co Pty Ltd PSF Members Amcor Packaging Australia Bundaberg Brewed Drinks Pty Ltd Schweppes Australia Pty Ltd Coca-Cola Amatil (Aust) Limited Foster’s Group Limited Golden Circle Limited Lion Nathan Limited Owens Illinois Visy Pak |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by progressiveslol on Jul 7th, 2011 at 7:35pm
Dont you just how these lefty gang-green front groupies give us a ready made list of who not to buy from.
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Kat on Jul 7th, 2011 at 8:33pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 7:35pm:
Funny, but I had exactly the same thought.... |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by progressiveslol on Jul 7th, 2011 at 8:39pm
I would bet my right arm that most of getup's members are bigger lefty loons from the likes of American hating American left and other overseas countries.
Getup would have a local membership of around 10 thousand, active. What a huge loss of business lol. 1 lost customer per store. Ohh nooosse. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Flying Binghi on Jul 7th, 2011 at 8:56pm
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Heh, looking at the sheer size of the list methinks it will be all talk and no action from the Getup FeckUps.. ;D . |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by cods on Jul 7th, 2011 at 9:25pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 7:35pm:
do they have any idea how many people they employ in this country... or doesnt that matter.. they certainly have a lot of power what a pity its misguided.. if they are so right and these companies so wrong... why dont they just try to persuade them to change their minds with logic if they can, instead of stomping on them to get their own way, isnt this like taking away someones freedom of speech, someones freedom of thought..like a terror campaign. unaustralian I call it. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by astro_surf on Jul 7th, 2011 at 9:51pm Quote:
WTF??? That... HAS to be... one of the stupidest things I think I've ever seen on teh interwebz. Hats off to YOU, Sir! You have dived to new record depths of idiocy and the internet is a lot poorer for you ever having graced it's networks with your presence. An impressive feat!  art-chetumal-420x0.jpg (78 KB | 103
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by astro_surf on Jul 7th, 2011 at 9:53pm
Thanks! :)
buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 6:58pm:
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by progressiveslol on Jul 7th, 2011 at 9:55pm cods wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 9:25pm:
Getup are treading on peoples freedoms lately arent they. Thats what you get from communists. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by astro_surf on Jul 7th, 2011 at 9:55pm buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 6:58pm:
WTF??? :( |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by astro_surf on Jul 7th, 2011 at 10:00pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 9:55pm:
And threads like this is what you get from cryptofascist, conspiracy theorist, wingnuts and mindlessly slavish adherents to conservative dogma and ideology. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by progressiveslol on Jul 7th, 2011 at 10:02pm astro_surf wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 10:00pm:
Have getup been brave enough to put the hammer and sickle on the logo yet? |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Maqqa on Jul 7th, 2011 at 10:25pm astro_surf wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 10:00pm:
So what's your point? 8-) |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Maqqa on Jul 7th, 2011 at 10:26pm
That's a great list buzz
Great to illustrate my point about this carbon tax multiplier effect |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by astro_surf on Jul 7th, 2011 at 10:43pm Maqqa wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 10:25pm:
Um? That you're a wingnut who is to stupid to think for yourself and take the time to understand something beyond what you read in The Australian? |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by astro_surf on Jul 7th, 2011 at 10:48pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 10:02pm:
What? That doesn't even make sense. The ironic thing though is that GetUp are supporting a market mechanism to achieve the EXACT SAME goal as what Tony Abbott is proposing a command-and-control, central government approach to achieve. Yet it is GetUp who are communists! Black is white, up is down, and AAAANYTHING is possible in Denier Bizarro World! :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by progressiveslol on Jul 7th, 2011 at 10:51pm astro_surf wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 10:48pm:
I can only go by their actions. I dont go on rhetoric. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by astro_surf on Jul 7th, 2011 at 11:00pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 10:51pm:
Taking an economic policy to an election isn't action? It sure as poo isn't just rhetoric! Or are you saying that you KNOW Abbott can't believed for a second and that Direct Action is such an incredulous and inherently anti-Liberal policy that it would have been quietly shelved after the election? That it is not a real policy but rather a shameless and cynical political ploy? |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by progressiveslol on Jul 7th, 2011 at 11:05pm astro_surf wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 11:00pm:
I was refering to who we were exchanging about. Getup. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by astro_surf on Jul 7th, 2011 at 11:15pm
What actions? You mean supporting MARKET mechanism to reduce emissions over Abbott's decidedly communistic command-and-control "direct action" economic policy? You know who has had great success using command-and-control mechanism to reduce emissions, China, and I BET you could find some Chinese economists who think Direct Action is a great policy, they might even take inspiration from it and take it to the Comintern to consider. In the Free World though, the economic consensus is clear, pricing carbon ont he market is by far the cheapest and most efficient way of reducing emissions.
So what actions were you talking about? |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by GoddyofOz on Jul 7th, 2011 at 11:22pm Kat wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 6:33pm:
Pretty much this. Encouraging censorship of any kind is enough to lose me real quick. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by progressiveslol on Jul 7th, 2011 at 11:26pm astro_surf wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 11:15pm:
Nice rhetoric, but fail. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by IWontPayMyBills on Jul 8th, 2011 at 12:01am astro_surf wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 10:48pm:
They can support a market mechanism for a carbon tax all they like, but we are not going to cooperate with their market mechanism and emissions trading scheme by competing for jobs, food scraps or anything else. If the state can not offer a stable economy, stable, secure and safe employment then you are on your own. we are under no obligation to compete and fight for work - only to work if it is made available. If its not, then up yours - we are not competing and thats it. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by IWontPayMyBills on Jul 8th, 2011 at 12:14am
We will not respond to any attempt by the state to motivate or force us to compete either - we will respond with quiet and dignified passive aggressive resistance to all attempts by the Marxist state to force us to compete in their rigged artificial economy to survive. we will not give it oxygen or energy.
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by astro_surf on Jul 8th, 2011 at 12:22am progressiveslol wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 11:26pm:
LOL! ;D |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by progressiveslol on Jul 8th, 2011 at 12:38am astro_surf wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 12:22am:
You ask me 'what actions' which I would have to point out in fact, then you go on with rhetoric. Nothing for me to answer. That is your fail fool. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Equitist on Jul 8th, 2011 at 12:50am So, to those of you who appear to be concerned about ' anarchy', what say you about Abbott's very public rallying calls for his so-called "people's revolt" - and inciting businesses to fund anti-Govt advertising - and his subsequent speeches at the resulting rallies and meetings!? Oh, and we should not forget the central (albeit lacklustre) role of Menzies House, in inciting people to attend Abbott's rallies... |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Sprintcyclist on Jul 8th, 2011 at 1:16am get stuffed , chromosonally challenged equitist oh, sorry for any unintentional offense |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by progressiveslol on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:38am
Getup has been linked to the socialist/communist/marxists moveon in America and the socialist spooky dude George Soros.
Do we really want the like of these socialist hacks in Australia and have overseas agendas trying to change Australian politics. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by adelcrow on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:54am
You fellas should be more worried about Murdochs dodgy rags than non for profit groups like GetUp.
The News Of the World and USA Fox scandals just shows what damage Murdochs gutter media and his morally bankrupt journalists do around the globe. Its no surprise Ackers, Bolt, Jones, Strop Abbott and the far right of the Coaltion are in his corrupt back pocket. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by cods on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:58am Equitist wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 12:50am:
you are correct of course..how dare anyone that disagrees with the govt.. have a voice.. I agree all opposition should only agree with the power of the day... and any voter that doesnt like being lied too should suck it up... trust you remember all this when the greens are in opposition nem,. dont forget GETUP isnt govt.. although I could be wrong there!!! you will correct me I have no doubt. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Doctor Jolly on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:59am Maqqa wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 5:09pm:
GetUp is using the exact same tactics as the Council of Retailers is. The Council went to the government and said "If you implement a carbon tax, we will run an ad campaign against you". Getup are simply saying to the retailers. "If you implement a campaign against carbon tax, we will run an ad campaign against you". Whats the difference. The retailers are trying to hide behind the council. Good job they are outed. This is what is called accountability. This is a good thing. If the retailers want to make a stand, be prepared to defend it. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by cods on Jul 8th, 2011 at 10:03am adelcrow wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:54am:
.. ha.ha.. anything but the topic eh .. well thats no surprise...well the News of the World is goneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...and rightly so of course...another watergate only in reverse.. serves them right.. will this govt GETUP and resign as well???? after all it is there by default lies and cheating and collusion..maybe not wiretapping but underhand conniving all the same. oh thats right wait till Sunday....we havent been waiting long enough and she waits till parliament closes to make this MASSIVE announcement... ominous music!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by buzzanddidj on Jul 8th, 2011 at 10:23am Maqqa wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 5:09pm:
How about THIS one, from Mick Inc. (Australia) Pty. Ltd. ? CATHOLIC bishops have warned the faithful against voting for the Greens in the state election, saying some of their policies were of ''grave concern''. Yesterday the NSW Greens outlined a plan which would transfer government funding from wealthy private schools to public schools. A two-page document entitled The Green Agenda is being circulated by Catholic agencies and through schools. http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/state-election-2011/dont-vote-greens-say-catholic-bishops-20110317-1bz4l.html#ixzz1RT7Db2Ej |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by wasskliwabbit on Jul 8th, 2011 at 10:25am ... wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 5:12pm:
Im pretty sure that most of those 'members' are only subscribed to them in order to receive their emails I'm one...always good to know what they're up to! 8-) |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by progressiveslol on Jul 8th, 2011 at 10:31am creatingmyusername wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 10:25am:
Most of their members are from overseas, so I dont see how they could even use the number for their membership as they do. Best they would be able to come up with is probably 10000 angry lefty loons not shopping at the stores Australia wide. Wow that would hurt. If you are an indirect member, I would write them and complain about being used as a number toward things you clearly dont believe in. Wouldnt the hard core (10000) getup members actually shop at stores other than the ones they say they will boycott, like some environmentally friendly store. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Doctor Jolly on Jul 8th, 2011 at 10:32am I see no difference between GetUp, The minerals council, the retailers council, and the catholics. All are using the media to run anti or pro campaigns loosely aligned with political parties. The sad fact is that these are driven by money. The one with the deepest pockets wins. In the old days, a physical protest march was required. This actually needed real people on your side. A protest of 10,000 can be dismissed. A protest of 1,000,000 cant. I, for one, dont like where this is going. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by cods on Jul 8th, 2011 at 10:41am Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 10:32am:
well there is a difference actuallyu.. GETUP have a large membership.. why I am not sure but it over 300.000. I believe.. they email their members and their members jump... aka.. marching through the cities.. and emailing their local members with the GETUP complaint of the day.. which they dooooooooooooooooooooo.. and it terrifies the local members... not sure if the Min eral Council do that or the retail council as I am a member of neither.. however Get Up are not directly affected by this CARBON TAX.... so I do not see why they have such a voice that only wishes to see one side of this argument.. no matter what there are two sides..... and the only ones in this case directly affected... the minerals and retail sections you are saying dont have any more rights that GETUP.. who as far as I know will never be affected by this CARBON TAX. thats a bit like saying GETUP have as much rights as the cattlemens assoc..how.. why???? |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Doctor Jolly on Jul 8th, 2011 at 11:04am cods wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 10:41am:
There has never been a more successful campaign than that done by the minerals council on Rudd. This shows membership is meaningless. Quote:
In a democracy, every voice is equal, So they have the right to speak as much as anyone. The anti-carbon tax side keep insisting that ordinary people will be "paying" the tax, so if this is true, each member of get-up is affected*. * And the converse is more true, because if no action on climate change is taken, then each member of get-up's children will be affected, as all the public will. Note: * - My belief is that ordinary people will be just as affected by a carbon tax as they would be by a lift in company tax rate. Which is a bit yes, and a bit no. ;) |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by buzzanddidj on Jul 8th, 2011 at 11:16am cods wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 10:41am:
Because GetUp is a "voice" for some 570,000 plus individual members GetUp's direction, policy and campaigns are DETERMINED by this membership Quote:
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by progressiveslol on Jul 8th, 2011 at 11:18am
Maybe people should just start emailing the list kindly donated by getup and tell the companies that you are/were a member of getup (even if they are not) and say they getup have hijacked your membership and you do not support what getup are doing or saying.
Stick it to getup the dishonest way that getup are using. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by cods on Jul 8th, 2011 at 12:04pm
Because GetUp is a "voice" for some 570,000 plus individual members
GetUp's direction, policy and campaigns are DETERMINED by this membership like WOW>..so why is the left so dead set against the opposition... opposing?????????. I would think there are far more Liberal voters than members of GETUP..although I am impressed 570.000.. last I heard it was 300.000 or there abouts..when do you think GETUP will become a party in its own right then???? I am sure at this rate they have more members than the ALP.. amazing how so many can all have the same idea about this boycott... can we assume they dont actually depend on these business' for their living.. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by beware on Jul 8th, 2011 at 12:05pm
The facebook page has 17,266 members.......
You should check out some of the media on it!!! |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by progressiveslol on Jul 8th, 2011 at 12:08pm beware wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 12:05pm:
Well that is a bit closer to the actual Australian membership of getup. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by cods on Jul 8th, 2011 at 12:10pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 11:04am:
so its ok that a group of 570.000 bitter individuals can organise a boycott of products produced by people who will be soundly affected by this TAX.. and by your own words have every right to protest... not threaten btw.. as we have seen by the march also organised by GETUP.. that some apparantly cant wait to be TAXED...I am sure GETUP will send the tax dept a list of their membership so they can be suitably charged.. a levy to save the planet.. in the mean time.. some companies could be sent to the wall with this boycott..it could be the case.. doesnt this seem a little out of proportion, to you? |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by beware on Jul 8th, 2011 at 12:21pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 12:08pm:
I didn't think the numbers were very impressive at all.... And some of those members are not in agreeance with the getup idealogies!!! |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Doctor Jolly on Jul 8th, 2011 at 12:30pm cods wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 12:10pm:
Cods, I think you need to reconcile in your mind whether or not individuals are affected by this carbon tax. Because at present you are having a bob each way in classic Abbott style. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by cods on Jul 8th, 2011 at 1:01pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 12:30pm:
you could be right... but I will need you to spell out why you think that Dr jolly... as I dont really think I am.. but will give you the benefit of the doubt as I am willing to learn. what I am thinking regarding the power that GETUP seems to have is that they dont have a vested interest..GETUP i mean.. the members are people who believe in what the owner of this web believes in.... for instance the petition regarding the live cattle to Indonesia went out almost immediately...I had friends sending it to me.. so I signed it..no where did it say only 11 abattoirs were the problem..I was under the impression it was all of them over there.. now whether this petition had any affect on the govt doing what they did.. I dont know.. but if it did thats some power..its not individuals... its the fact that they GETUP have the power to make this govt change direction.. anyway neither here nor there... point me in the right direction and I will shut up. and think I am alone in the way I see things.. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Doctor Jolly on Jul 8th, 2011 at 1:07pm cods wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 1:01pm:
My understanding is that the owners of Getup website propose a topic and create a page for it. Then if that page attracts enough interest & donations, they buy advertising space with it. They probably email their user list for each new topic. So no one is forcing their user list to support all topics, and I'm sure many dont. They seem to have started out centerist, but have moved left to combate the right wing activists of corporates like the mining council. Also remember that most of GetUps members would be relatively young tech savvy indivduals, which probably influences their policies as young people seem very keen on the environment. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by cods on Jul 8th, 2011 at 1:28pm
My understanding is that the owners of Getup website propose a topic and create a page for it. Then if that page attracts enough interest & donations, they buy advertising space with it.
They probably email their user list for each new topic. So no one is forcing their user list to support all topics, and I'm sure many dont. They seem to have started out centerist, but have moved left to combate the right wing activists of corporates like the mining council. Also remember that most of GetUps members would be relatively young tech savvy indivduals, which probably influences their policies as young people seem very keen on the environment. Back to top yes I am learning more about GETUP from being on here..and I am almost sure no one is forced thats not what I am implying..when they asked their member to bully their local members into pressuring the govt..[ my god I have forgotton what it was now]...but anyway they won.. the govt backed down.. they were cockahoop over it. now thats power..there is a lot of talk on here about the media.. but not much about this mob..if this was an islamic mob... what do you think would happen???? not sure what I think the overall membership is made up with.. I find it amazing that people group together like this anyway... I guess i have never been a follow the leader type.. but I do not like the influence they have over the govt... I am sure the cattlemen or the mining or retail groups wishe they had that much influence.. also those groups have to buy advertising in the media to get their message across.. GETUP i notice doesnt have to do that. they seem to have direct power over the govt |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by IWontPayMyBills on Jul 8th, 2011 at 1:31pm
The reality is the Government has a disaster of its own making unfolding, their are millions of Australians refusing to compete in the work place and the market place - Global Financial Crises - people are resisting passively, people are refusing to play the states ideological game, people will not be forced to work in unsafe, insecure and substandard conditions deliberately engineered to make people compete and fight against each other to survive.
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by beware on Jul 8th, 2011 at 2:34pm
The Letter Getup are sending......
Dear CEO, You may be aware that, as reported by Phillip Coorey in the Sydney Morning Herald on July 1 and July 2, the Australian Food and Grocery Council has reportedly put its support behind a multi-million dollar campaign to fight proposed legislation to put a price on carbon pollution. As a result of this information becoming public, many GetUp members have urged us to assist them in contacting companies such as yours to express their concern at this news. As such, it is our intention in the next few days to provide easy to use product information to our membership such that they can boycott goods and services that are linked to the scare campaign that the Australian Food and Grocery Council are about to sign up to. As a member of the Australian Food and Grocery Council the public may see your company as being supportive of the scare campaign that we expect will be launched in a fortnight. I understand that may not actually be the case, which is why I’m writing to you today. The total size of the proposed scare campaign of which the Australian Food and Grocery Council is reportedly a part of is similar in size to the recent campaign by Big Tobacco. As we’ve seen with the Big Tobacco campaign, industry groups often find it difficult to separate face from fiction. With all major parties now supporting action on climate change, it is only a question of which is the best way forward. Tony Abbott’s plan to provide tax payer money to polluting industries is not one the Australian public will support. It will create long term budget deficits without reducing pollution to the levels that will be required to avert dangerous climate change. The only viable option for Australia to do its part in reducing our pollution is to price pollution and grow our clean energy economy. GetUp! has more than 570,000 members across the country. Together we have campaigned on a range of issues of concern to Australians. Recent examples include our campaign with the RSPCA and Animals Australia that successfully sought an immediate moratorium on live exports to Indonesia. We have also successfully partnered with groups like the Wilderness Society to pressure banks and financial institutions into not supporting environmentally destructive investments. We’re asking companies the below questions and we’ll inform our members and the Australian public of the answers to these. 1. Do you accept the science of climate change? 2. Do you believe the Australian Government should take action to address climate change in the cheapest and most effective way possible? 3. Do you support the proposed AFGC campaign against carbon pricing? 4. If you do not support the AFGC campaigning against carbon pricing will you immediately write to the AFGC to inform them of your position and will you resign your membership from the AFGC if they continue to provide material support to the proposed scare campaign? Thank you for taking the time to answer these questions. I urge you to provide a reply to lily@getup.org.au by close of business on Wednesday 6th July 2011 so we can accurately inform our members and the Australian public of your position. Once again can I reiterate that we are asking for your assistance as we realise that not all companies who are members of the Australian Food and Grocery Council are aware of or supportive of the Council’s reported position on the issue of pricing carbon or of its plans to use your membership dues in a scare campaign. Yours Sincerely, Simon Sheikh National Director, GetUp! Action for Australia |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by progressiveslol on Jul 8th, 2011 at 2:42pm beware wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 2:34pm:
Funny how they mention 'scare campaign'. Being gang-green stooges and climate change fearmongers, getup dont have any credibility to call anyones actions, a scare camapign. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by progressiveslol on Jul 8th, 2011 at 3:49pm |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by progressiveslol on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:00pm
http://www.menzieshouse.com.au/2011/07/media-release-campaign-launched-to-use-getup-data-to-support-businesses-opposed-to-the-carbon-tax-.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MenziesHouse+%28Menzies+House%29
Menzies House and the Stop Gillard’s Carbon Tax Coalition today thanked radical left wing activist group GetUp! for using their resources to provide a list of businesses that oppose the Gillard-Brown tax on carbon dioxide |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Karnal on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:08pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 2:42pm:
Exactly. Thank heavens for ordinary Australians like Mario, the chef at the Lavenders, who continues to employ staff and serve quality HACCAP and Australian-Standards certified cuisine, when it is predicted that prices under the proposed carbon tax will raise across the board by over 100%. These climate change fearmongers will continue to lie and stir things up while ordinary Australians get on with the job of making this country work. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by gizmo_2655 on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:12pm Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:08pm:
They're NOT 'climate change' fearmongers...they're carbon tax 'fearmongers'....an entirely seperate issue...'ACTION' on climate change is radically different to 'helping' the government 'return to a surplus'..which is the point to the carbon tax...AND the ONLY point to it.. Hands up everyone gullible enough to think that ALL the tax money will be returned to the 'people' in compensation??? |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by IWontPayMyBills on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:12pm
We refuse point blank to compete with other people for that which is already the fundamental human right of all people - the right to life. Up yours Marxists, we will not compete, we will not give oxygen and energy to the states agenda. Stuff your survival of the fittest BS.
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by progressiveslol on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:14pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:12pm:
Pretty much the same thing to me. If you cry out to get taxed for the purpose of climate change, then you are complicate with the fearmongers, but you are correct that I should have said carbon tax fearmongers. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by buzzanddidj on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:15pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 3:49pm: And the Liberal Party of Australia have EVERY right to respond in this manner GetUp FULLY supports democracy - and freedom of speech |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by progressiveslol on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:16pm buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:15pm:
Blackmail for the purposes of stifling Australians debate, is not free speech. It is bully tactics and blackmail. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by gizmo_2655 on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:23pm buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:15pm:
NO they don't....IF they did, they'd be against the carbon tax...like the majority of the voters are.. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by buzzanddidj on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:26pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:16pm:
It's NOT "blackmail" - if it's open and transparent - and not done in secret The open letter, on behalf of over half a million Australians, is so far asking for a "line in the sand" on these member companies' stance on climate change action Are they FOR action - or for NO action ? |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by IWontPayMyBills on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:28pm
We will not allow the state to force us to tender competitively for the rights to jobs, resources, food, in an artificially induced scarcity environment. We refuse to compete, we refuse the state skills, we refuse the state productivity and we refuse the state cooperation on their illegal ideological Marxist crusade. We will not fight to survive we will not compete.
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by progressiveslol on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:28pm buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:26pm:
If I had 300,000 foreign members and 10000 local members, and tried to tell a company that my 310,000 members were going to boycott them. Then that is blackmail as it is untruthful. There is a reason getup dont get their members to direct email to a company. It is because if getup get the members to email the company directly, then the company would realise that most of the messages were coming from overseas and of the local members, there wouldnt be many sending a message at all. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Karnal on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:31pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:12pm:
Yes, but the carbon tax fearmongers work on the basis that climate change is actually happening and will end the world as we know it. When ordinary Australian businesses like Lavenders just get on with the job of employing people and making the economy run - when prices will double or even triple under the fearmongers' carbon tax. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Imperium II on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:33pm Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:31pm:
What would you recommend on the menu at Lavenders, Karnal? |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Karnal on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:35pm
Oh, I've heard the prawn cocktail there is divine. There's real prawns - not that seafood extender. Absolutely top quality cuisine.
Also, I believe they do a sumptuous Steak Dianne. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by gizmo_2655 on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:37pm Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:31pm:
Tell me Karnal...how does that coolaid taste??? |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Karnal on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:39pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:37pm:
I have no idea what you mean. I drink tea in Winter, thank you very much. Dilmah, if you're asking. And yes, Alan does recommend it and it tastes delicious, thank you. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by gizmo_2655 on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:39pm Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:39pm:
Hmm LOL....I 'could' explain it...but I don't think you'd understand it... |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Karnal on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:43pm
God knows what it will cost after the fearmongers' tax. If prices rise by 150% across the board, I'd be looking at about $10 a box. I just couldn't afford that. I'm not a millionaire, you know.
I certainly won't be able to afford resturants, that's for sure. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by buzzanddidj on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:44pm Quote:
http://www.lavenders.com.au/ |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Karnal on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:48pm
I'd like the chicken schnitzel, thanks, but I won't be able to afford it for long.
Thanks to these fearmongers, whoever they are. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by IWontPayMyBills on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:48pm
I'm sorry, but we are just not going to play the states game and compete in their emissions trading Marxist Economy for resources. Enjoy getting your power bills sent back to you RED.
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Karnal on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:49pm IWontPayMyBills wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:48pm:
Exactly. I just refuse to pay for this. I'm not sorry at all. How dare they. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by skippy. on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:53pm IWontPayMyBills wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:48pm:
Not as much as I'll enjoy watching you bitch and whine when your power is disconnected due to the fact you refused to pay your bill. I will delight in centre link taking money out of your payments to cover the bills you refused to pay. ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by beware on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:02pm barnaby joe wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:33pm:
First thing I ask at a resturant is if the waiter/waitress is actually on the books........... so many just pay staff cash. It is a joke!! |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by IWontPayMyBills on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:03pm skippy. wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:53pm:
Well, you just enjoy doing that with the rest of the country RED because nobody is going to cooperate with your Marxist agenda and you will fail. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Karnal on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:04pm skippy. wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:53pm:
You would, wouldn't you? You don't mind paying boat people and queue jumpers millions for coming to this country illegally, but you delight in taking money from a deserving Australian. You people have a nerve, you really do. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Karnal on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:08pm beware wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:02pm:
You don't need to worry about this at Lavenders. Mario is an excellent employer. He sometimes gets troubled youth off the streets and teaches them a trade in his kitchen. He even takes some of them to meet Alan Jones. Can you imagine? That's the sort of person we need in this country. Honest, decent employers. All the fearmongering Labor government does is tax them through the nose, raise prices by 150% or more and expect them to suck it all up. Well, we're a democracy and I can tell you now, it won't wash with the Australian people. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by gizmo_2655 on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:10pm beware wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:02pm:
Why is that actually a 'problem' work for just 'straight' cash in hand than for cash minus tax...$15 per hour (in the hand) is better than $20 per hour, minus $7 per hour tax... |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by skippy. on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:14pm IWontPayMyBills wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:03pm:
I like to look at it on the bright side of things, when your electricity is disconnected I wont have to read your extremist loony rants. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by IWontPayMyBills on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:18pm skippy. wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:14pm:
I can only imagine the disappointment you are to your parents. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by skippy. on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:23pm Quote:
And you, to the whole community, loony tunes. :-* :-* :-* |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by beware on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:28pm
GetUp!....2011's version of the Nazi Storm Troopers of the 1930's...their here to do the "dirty work" of their masters...The Greens (Communist Party)...
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by skippy. on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:32pm beware wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:28pm:
We already have plenty of nutjobs here, beware, you'll need to stand in line if you want to make ridiculous comment like that. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by longweekend58 on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:34pm
The list of shops they intend to boycott is extremely long. any genuine boycotter is going to find it difficult to find places to eat or buy food. all it does is move a buyer from one place to another. What do they plan to do? go on a hunger strike?
I personally plan to find places that DO oppose he carbon tax and make sure I buy there! I doubt Id be alone! |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by IWontPayMyBills on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:40pm skippy. wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:32pm:
says the boards most nasty discredited troll. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by skippy. on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:50pm IWontPayMyBills wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:40pm:
Call me what you like, loony, but you are without doubt the most discredited poster on the forum.Even the rightards think you're a nutjob. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Kat on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:57pm skippy. wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:53pm:
Actually, he raises an interesting point..... Wouldn't it send the message about the rises in power costs if everyone protested by simply sending their UNOPENED power bills BACK to the provider? IF enough people did it, surely either they or the govt would HAVE to see and acknowledge that we are NOT happy. And yes, I know we'd still have to pay, but as a form of protest it has a lot going for it. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by IWontPayMyBills on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:59pm
The reality is the Government wants to literally create an economy based on artificially engineered scarcity and try to force us to compete in it like animals or savages for the right to survive in their Emissions Trading scheme. We will not give them oxygen - we will not waste on dollar of our personal resources fruitlessly acquiring skills to compete endlessly and fruitlessly in an unstable, unsafe work environment like slaves. we wont compete, we wont pay the Carbon tax and if that means sending our power bills back unpaid then so be it, but we will resist them, we will defeat them through our united collective passive aggressive resistance.
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by IWontPayMyBills on Jul 8th, 2011 at 6:01pm
You want us educated and skilled - you pay for it, you want labour - you supply a safe secure work environment and jobs otherwize go to buggery Karl Marx.
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by skippy. on Jul 8th, 2011 at 6:05pm Quote:
Why should the whole country pamper to the minority confusionalists???? Over 70% of Aussies want action on climate change, those bitching and whining are nothing but the runts of the litter, too stupid to believe the majority of the scientific community and happy to take the word of nutjob shock jocks. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by longweekend58 on Jul 8th, 2011 at 6:08pm IWontPayMyBills wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:40pm:
nope. I will have to agree with Skippy on this one, bedwetter bill. you are TRULY a fruitcake. How you stay out of hospital is an indictment on our mental health system. you shoudlnt be allowed out on your own. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by longweekend58 on Jul 8th, 2011 at 6:10pm Kat wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:57pm:
and get everybody cutoff? brilliant idea! or we could try the californian idea and just pass a law banning power rises. they tried that and the end result was the bankruptcy of EVERY energy provider. that lead to mass power cuts. not a good idea at all and the fact it came from Bedwetter Bill should have been your first clue. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by stud1 on Jul 8th, 2011 at 6:13pm Quote:
Yep they got me too - so I would question their actual membership numbers. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Kat on Jul 8th, 2011 at 6:19pm longweekend58 wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 6:10pm:
Did you read the last sentence? Bedwetters notwithstanding, it is an effective, non-violent form of protest. About any number of things...... |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Kat on Jul 8th, 2011 at 6:22pm stud1 wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 6:13pm:
I supported them on a couple of issues, now they email me about every campaign they have running, and frankly I don't support a lot of them. And this is one of those times.... I was, as I said earlier, very disappointed in them when they rolled-over on their opposition to internet censorship. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by longweekend58 on Jul 8th, 2011 at 6:40pm Kat wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 6:19pm:
protest is only viable and effective en masse. if 1000 people decided not to pay their bills, 1000 people would have their power cut off. if 10,000 did that it woudl be newsworthy and an extension to pay granted and THEN cut off. you would need 100,000- 1,000,000 to get any impact and you'd never get that. I repeat, it is a bedwetter billl idea so you can dispense with it without a second thought. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by IWontPayMyBills on Jul 8th, 2011 at 6:44pm
No they do not have the right to cut peoples power off for refusing to pay a carbon tax. They cannot and they will not because they will be legally culpable for the consequences of such actions.
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by buzzanddidj on Jul 8th, 2011 at 7:03pm IWontPayMyBills wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 6:44pm:
This "carbon tax" is the cost of permits purchased by electricity producers - based on Co2 emissions It is NOT an "add on" retail tax - like the GST Suppliers can legally disconnect ANYONE for not meeting the payment terms of the contract |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Maqqa on Jul 8th, 2011 at 7:22pm
I heard the interview with GetUp's director - he's a knob
He didn't even denied he acted this way. And they do not have 430,000 members - it's a scam Who is their largest donor of $1.1M So what are they trying to represent when they the average donation is $45? http://www.getup.org.au/about/disclosure |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by cods on Jul 8th, 2011 at 7:22pm buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:15pm:
will GETUP be responding to this ? Australia govt grants ten oil and gas exploration permits inShare.0Share thisEmailPrintRelated TopicsEnergy » CANBERRA, July 8 | Thu Jul 7, 2011 8:23pm EDT CANBERRA, July 8 (Reuters) - Australia's government granted on Friday permits for six companies to explore for oil and gas in Australian waters off the Western Australia and South Australian coasts in areas open for bidding under the 2010 offshore petroleum acreage release. Resources and Energy Minister Martin Ferguson said exploration work, worth A$137 million over three years, would be carried out by Apache , MEO Australia Limited, Chevron Barcoo Pty Ltd., Flow Energy Limited, PTTEP or doesnt this affect our footprint? a bit like petrol doesnt all of a sudden. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by IWontPayMyBills on Jul 8th, 2011 at 7:26pm buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 7:03pm:
No they can not legally do any such thing - we're not gonna pay it - no we're not gonna pay it - we're not gonna pay it any more. No Private company has the right to cut off power that legally belongs to the people, not a company, not the government - the people. They have no legal right to impose a carbon tax on our power they have stolen through piracy. The labour party's many crimes over past decades are not forgotten. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by IWontPayMyBills on Jul 8th, 2011 at 7:28pm
We will not stop until the Marxists are stopped and gaopled for Piracy and economic crimes against the people.
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Karnal on Jul 8th, 2011 at 7:29pm IWontPayMyBills wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:18pm:
Yes, it really is sad. He would never treat them to a nice meal at a resturant. I'm sure his mother would love a lovely prawn cocktail, but she won't get it from him! |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by beware on Jul 8th, 2011 at 8:14pm
As of September 2010 these donors combined had provided approx. 22% of GetUp's income.
Donations above the AEC threshold: Name(s) Date Amount Roslyn Horin 26/08/2010 $20,000.00 ASU 07/12/2010 $35,000.00 CFMEU 13/08/2010 $1,120,000.00 Richard Stiles 28/06/2010 $17,000.00 Graeme Wood 28/05/2010 $25,000.00 Anne Coombs 15/04/2010 $20,000.00 Richard Stiles 31/12/2009 $15,000.00 Mr/Ms Jo Skrynski 15/12/2008 $137,500.00 Mr/Mrs Maureen & Anthony Wheeler 15/11/2007 $82,500.00 CPSU Community & Public Sector Union 19/10/2007 $50,000.00 Jagen 09/07/2007 $50,000.00 Ms Deanne E Weir 08/08/2007 $40,000.00 AD Coombs 27/07/2007 $39,700.00 Mr/Mrs S J Killela 23/08/2007 $30,000.00 Mr Duncan Turpie 25/09/2007 $25,000.00 Mr Daniel Droga 03/10/2007 $20,000.00 Heyede Pty Ltd 02/08/2007 $18,250.00 Allen & Buckeridge 02/08/2007 $16,497.00 SM Varga & AD Coombes 11/11/2006 $90,000.00 M/- S J Killelea 01/02/2007 $70,000.00 Ms Deanne E Weir 04/10/2006 $25,000.00 Heyede Pty Ltd 12/12/2006 $16,665.00 E Thornley and T Ellery 07/03/2006 $14,165.00 Total $1,942,277.00 |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by perceptions_now on Jul 8th, 2011 at 8:21pm Maqqa wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 5:07pm:
Democracy & Free Enterprise, what a mixture, don't you just love it? Btw Maqqa, you still don't know Jack Schitt! |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by cods on Jul 8th, 2011 at 8:29pm beware wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 8:14pm:
wow so what do they use this money for???????. does it cost to become a member?? on top of that advertising..wow no wonder he has POWER CFMEU I can sort of understand.. not sure all their members will..but the rest hummmmmmmmmmmm I mean they are not $10 raffle tickets are they? so what is GETUP then is it a lobby thing?... |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by progressiveslol on Jul 8th, 2011 at 8:30pm beware wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 8:14pm:
No wonder they have so many astro-turfing dole bludgers going to their rallies. I wonder what they pay each protester per day. Looks more like a lobby group. A gang-green hack group. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Equitist on Jul 8th, 2011 at 8:49pm I am one of their earliest members - I consider myself to be a moderately-active member but I have only made token donations to date and I have never attended a meeting... I estimate that I have acted upon about 3/4 of their emails (e.g. signed petitions, sent emails to pollies, responded to member surveys) and I also assisted with handing out election material at a polling booth for the 2007 Federal Election (dropped off at my request but in my absence)... My political activism was sparked by EmployerChoices and the YRAW campaign - GetUp came later... Oh, and: in case such is not obvious, I am here entirely of my own volition - and I have only rarely post links from Get-Up campaigns here... |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Imperium II on Jul 8th, 2011 at 8:51pm
i always take the leaflets of those people handing out flyers outside election booths then stick them in the trash right in front of them so they see me doing it
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by life_goes_on on Jul 8th, 2011 at 8:54pm
It takes a special breed of whiney sook to feel threatened by GetUp.
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Imperium II on Jul 8th, 2011 at 8:55pm
yeah but imagine the even bigger whiny sook who would actually join getup
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by progressiveslol on Jul 8th, 2011 at 8:56pm barnaby joe wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 8:51pm:
When a greens leaflet comes toward me I just go 'pfffft' and keep walking. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Equitist on Jul 8th, 2011 at 8:58pm LOL...I'm proud to say that I endeavour to be a little more polite to those who man the Lib and other Conservative booths than you lot... Besides, I'm always curious to see how they're directing their preferences... |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by life_goes_on on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:01pm
I haven't voted for 15 years.
I don't care who gets in. It never seems to matter to me - things just seem to carry on like normal - pluses and minuses - life just goes on. I should probably sit back and wonder why I bother posting on a politics forum like this. I really don't care that much. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Imperium II on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:03pm
how do you get out of not paying the fine
people who have enormous sticks up their arses about people who don't care about voting are hilarious |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by life_goes_on on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:09pm Quote:
I received a $25 fine in 1996 and changed address a few months later. I've never heard a thing from them since. And since I've had extensive dealings with the state debt recovery people since, it would seem that initial fine was a wind up and I haven't been fined since. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Imperium II on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:11pm
mandatory voting my aching arse
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by life_goes_on on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:11pm
Is there a Guinness Book of Records record for use of the word "since" in a sentence?
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by IWontPayMyBills on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:19pm
The Labour Party and the Greens should be declared organized crime gangs and deregistered and banned from political participation.
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Imperium II on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:22pm
agreed
though the liberals should too |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by progressiveslol on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:23pm barnaby joe wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:22pm:
I would edit that out if I were you, unless you want someone knocking on your door. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Imperium II on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:25pm
lol
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by IWontPayMyBills on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:27pm barnaby joe wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:22pm:
I have no problem with that. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by life_goes_on on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:31pm
Sometimes you have to sit back and wonder if the whole forum and discussion thing on the internet is such a great idea and just perhaps we should go back a couple of decades, sit back, ponder and just think "to hell with it" and re-implement the whole thing without giving a voice to the nuttier sections of the community.
Yeah, I know, democracy, free speach etc.... But geez.... democracy and free speech are way overrated..... |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by progressiveslol on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:34pm Life_goes_on wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:31pm:
Problem is, once you go toward that path, you have a person or people with an agenda making the rules. You have to allow all, so the legitimate is guaranteed to be heard. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by life_goes_on on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:45pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:34pm:
I'd have no problem whatsoever if the internet suddenly became read only. Do you think it's important for every tom, dick and harry to be able to express an opinion on every news story? I don't. Do you think we were somehow any less "free" before the advent of the net? Bleating for the sake of bleating is still just bleating. The sad thing is that organisations such as governments seem to take so much notice of the current state of internet based bleating. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by IWontPayMyBills on Jul 8th, 2011 at 10:02pm
These parties have to be deregistered for what they have done to this country and they must face trial - they have stolen and embezzled this countries wealth.
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Karnal on Jul 8th, 2011 at 10:25pm
Does IWon'tPayMyBills remind anyone of George Costanza's father?
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by IWontPayMyBills on Jul 8th, 2011 at 10:52pm
The Judiciary should act against the Government in tinterests of the nation.
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by cods on Jul 9th, 2011 at 6:14am Life_goes_on wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 9:45pm:
for someone who doesnt like bleating you sure do your share.. time to take a reality pill its called progress.. the future!!.. everything from the comfort of your chair.. I used to think it odd that waiting at a bustop complete strangers would tell you their life story.... yet here we are talking to complete strangers... and acting as if we know every little detail about them. amazing how far we have come isnt it??? the real reality is the isolation we are creating for ourselves....even the young ones spend more time on facebook and sms than actual contact. I think thats a bigger worry further along this progessive instant future that the next generation are demanding. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by longweekend58 on Jul 9th, 2011 at 8:18am IWontPayMyBills wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 10:52pm:
the mere THOUGHT of Bedwetter Bill procreating should scare anyone! |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by astro_surf on Jul 10th, 2011 at 5:25am Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 1:16am:
Oooh, what a scintillating argument! ::) The only offensive thing about your post is the complete disregard for grammatical structure and comprehensibility. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Soren on Jul 29th, 2011 at 10:53pm buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:15pm:
Terrorists!!!! |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by longweekend58 on Jul 29th, 2011 at 11:06pm Soren wrote on Jul 29th, 2011 at 10:53pm:
that is an awesome photo. what does it take to get a person to believe that FREEDOM is the enemy? that is truly staggering! I can understand a person not valuing freedom much. I can almost understand a person not seeking it but someone thinking that freedom is EVIL? Whatever culture or belief system that generates such thinking is in itself evil. no other interpretation is possible. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by stryder110011 on Jul 29th, 2011 at 11:22pm Quote:
I believe that idea is kinda spreading slowly like a reptile poison to some in the left, given how the carbon tax debate has them on the losing side of there bizarre argument and that shadow of fakery surrounding the carbon tax where they want you to believe that taxation of the element Carbon dioxide is going to somehow MAGICALLY push us from cheap fossil fuels to more expensive technological fuels like wind or solar that covers like 1-2 % of the commercial energy requirements in australia, and after that thats going to MAGICALLY and ASTRONOMICALLY freeze any temperature rise. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by dsmithy70 on Jul 29th, 2011 at 11:26pm stryder wrote on Jul 29th, 2011 at 11:22pm:
Prevailing alert :D |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Annie Anthrax on Jul 29th, 2011 at 11:28pm
Just how slowly does reptile poison spread?
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by dsmithy70 on Jul 29th, 2011 at 11:39pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 29th, 2011 at 11:26pm:
In all seriousness putting the science arguments aside seeing as how both party have committed to the same target how is it those on Tony's side think he is going to do it without costing YOU/US a penny? 9.2 Billion Dollars earmarked to be spent by 2020, where is that money to come from? How will cutting that much out of the budget NOT going to cost us more? You go on about the "Trickle down" effect on 500 companies, and if you believe some here that will push a large part of the population into eating dirt, why won't Tony's costs Trickle down? Do you really think it's just a matter of sacking a few public servants? Can any give me some sort of detail instead of the broad brushstrokes of "Savings"? |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by progressiveslol on Jul 29th, 2011 at 11:46pm
lol 550000 overseas members is not going to hurt anyone with their moves against the will of the Australian people.
Go for it you losers. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by alevine on Jul 29th, 2011 at 11:47pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 29th, 2011 at 11:39pm:
Oh it's easy. Tony will simply sack 1000 in the public sector and he'll get his $9.2 billion. Of course, 3 years later he'll re-hire 20,000 but it'll still count as "savings" and everyone will simply not realise that all of sudden the hospital budget is slashed, HECs is increased and infrastructure goes to a standstill. Then of course private debt will continue to balloon... but it's okay because Tony has "saved" us from $9.90 a week. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by longweekend58 on Jul 30th, 2011 at 9:00am
Abbot could save $9.2B a year so easily it is amazing you havent seen how. just by not being a labor govt, we automatically save double that from the absence of a plethora of well-intentioned but idiotic programs managed with the competence of a couple of primary school girls.
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Maqqa on Jul 30th, 2011 at 9:03am longweekend58 wrote on Jul 30th, 2011 at 9:00am:
We've wasted so much money under this Labor government |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Lepper on Jul 30th, 2011 at 9:08am stryder wrote on Jul 29th, 2011 at 11:22pm:
Only the incredibly misinformed take that stance. You would seriously need to have little to no knowledge or understanding of climate and the tax to think that way. Simply not true for all on the left, only the uninformed, much like those on the right who keep harping on about how it won't solve climate change. It was never supposed to magically solve the problem. It is simply the first step down the long path. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by dsmithy70 on Jul 30th, 2011 at 12:29pm longweekend58 wrote on Jul 30th, 2011 at 9:00am:
As I said some detail if not detail reasonable thoughts, not just partisan motherhood statements. |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by Maqqa on Jul 30th, 2011 at 1:38pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 30th, 2011 at 12:29pm:
Why not? It worked on the Labor voters Unless of course you are saying you can now see through the Labor lies and demand more accountability? |
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Title: Re: GetUp - GetStuffed!! Post by dsmithy70 on Jul 30th, 2011 at 1:43pm Maqqa wrote on Jul 30th, 2011 at 1:38pm:
I saw thru them before 07, I have not voted Labor in my life, so there goes your tit for tat crap, so put up or as with Labor, Liberal will never earn that right. |
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