Post by stryder110011 on Jun 19th, 2011 at 12:09pm
I guess in Astro surfs case he sees it MORE in vague looking graphs than in the weather, ;D
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Title: The Greens "You can see it in the weather" Post by creep on Jun 19th, 2011 at 10:49am
Just saw the Greens advert about climate change, advocating that it is happening because "you can see it in the weather"
MMMMMMMMM, yes we can can't we. Is that why when we have cold days the global warmists change their tune to saying that cold days are weather and not climate? Yet when we have hot days then that is climate and not weather? Do the Greens know that our planet is actually cooling? Or are the Greens in denial about that too. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/19/january-2008-4-sources-say-globally-cooler-in-the-past-12-months/ More Co2 is needed not less! |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather" Post by stryder110011 on Jun 19th, 2011 at 10:52am Quote:
;D ;D ;D ;D, I cannot believe this crap. The Greenies must be under the illusion that the majority of australians are stupid. |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather Post by progressiveslol on Jun 19th, 2011 at 10:53am stryder wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 10:52am:
There is no illusion. 10% of Austrtalians are truelly stupid according to the polls that support the greens. |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather" Post by astro_surf on Jun 19th, 2011 at 10:55am creep wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 10:49am:
You idiot. That article is three years old! ;D 2010 was one of the warmest years on record and ended the warmest decade on record. You really are complete delusional. |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather Post by creep on Jun 19th, 2011 at 11:00am progressiveslol wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 10:53am:
Well the greens are stupid we all know that, as are a lot of ALP supporters. A perfect example was shown above who claims that global cooling is referring to 2008. What the idiot failed to see was that was over a 100 year period. And then the idiotic footy wanted to compare a 100 years of data with a single year to prove global warming :D :D :D Yes as I said, we all know that the greens are stupid. |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather" Post by cods on Jun 19th, 2011 at 11:12am
astro told us point blank.. that weather has nothing to do with climate..
where have the greens been all this time??? is Al Gore a scientist?????. |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather Post by astro_surf on Jun 19th, 2011 at 11:15am creep wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 11:00am:
You're not very smart are you, you poor boy ::) http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/02/19/january-2008-4-sources-say-globally-cooler-[size-15]in-the-past-12-months[/size]/ Where is this "00 years of cooling" then, genius??? :D :D :D http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/giss-jan08-520.png?w=640 |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jun 19th, 2011 at 11:22am astro_surf wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 11:15am:
So what's your answer? A tax that increases cost of living for everyone? |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather Post by astro_surf on Jun 19th, 2011 at 11:26am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 11:22am:
The tax won't do that at all so you point is redundant. The evidence is quite clear, putting a price on carbon is BY FAR the cheapest way to reduce emissions. Why do you care, it's not like you live in this country. Shouldn't you be more concerned with California/Englands plans to price carbon? |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather Post by cods on Jun 19th, 2011 at 11:27am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 11:22am:
especially as a lot of the figures are based on long before electricity or industry was the vogue. I am a bit sick of hearing what happened millions of years ago or even 50 years if you like..I remember my parents putting a penny in the slot to use electricity...now we take it so much for granted we dont think about how much is used just to use a petrol pump we take it for granted.same with computers... I am waiting for the day someone tells us its computers that are our biggest problem.. next to cows of course. |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jun 19th, 2011 at 11:29am astro_surf wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 11:26am:
Pretty sure you haven't read the plans. The tax will be put on the supplier, who will pass it through the supply chain to the consumer - thus raising the prices. Thus raising the cost of living. The Government has already said those of us who earn over $150k will get no compensation. Is the plan to provide compensation every year for everyone else? No, don't think so. The carbon tax is a stupid idea. Kinda explains why Labor is polling the worst EVER as well. |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather Post by creep on Jun 19th, 2011 at 11:39am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 11:29am:
Andrei, you're posting to a denialist Wont matter about the facts northe logic, the footy has been kicked about the head so much it is incapable of cpmrehension. As I posted earlier, it wanted to compare one year to claim global warming with that of a hundred years of global cooling "Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on. No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously. A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe out most of the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down. " |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather Post by astro_surf on Jun 19th, 2011 at 11:39am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 11:29am:
I've seen the economic modelling and the very small rise in the cost of living will be more than offset by compensation. Indeed, deregulation and infrastructure investment will increase electricity prices FAR more than the carbon tax will, electricity will be going up to $0.30 per kW/h in WA by 2014. Petrol prices fluctuate to a greater degree every week than what the carbon tax will add to the price. Plus, companies that do pass on costs will ALWAYS be undercut by a more competitive business that will find a way of providing the same service for less (ie. developing novel ways of reducing their carbon footprint), that's capitalism, baby! And individuals can find ways to reduce their carbon footprint and thereby reduce their cost of living. The smart will prosper, as always. |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather" Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jun 19th, 2011 at 11:55am
So what of those of us on over $150k per year?
We should just suck it and see our costs increase and get nothing? Oh if this is such a good idea - How come Labor and Julia Gillard in particular are polling the worst levels of support since opinion polling began? Why have their support dropped like a stone and they face certain defeat in an election? Good ideas tend to be popular you know..... |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather" Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jun 19th, 2011 at 11:56am
Actually wait, don't tell me, I know ..........
"it's all the media's fault" |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather" Post by astro_surf on Jun 19th, 2011 at 12:09pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 11:55am:
If you earn $150,000 the you can afford to pay some extra, if you can't then you [probably need a lesson in consumption reduction. Maybe you don't NEED three cars, five TV's and halogen downlights. Quote:
Going to Iraq wasn't popular but I'm sure you'd say it was a good idea The GST wasn't popular but it was a good idea. Banning guns was unpopular but it was a good idea. Deregulation of markets was a unpopular but it was a good idea. Thatcher using the unions in England was wildly unpopular but it was still a good idea. In fact, populism is the hallmark of BAD ideas. Nazism was popular, but it doesn't mean it was a good idea. Communism was popular, doesn't mean it was a good idea McDonalds have sold billions of burgers but it doesn't mean eating them is a good idea - despite what the advertising slogan would lead you to believe a million people CAN be wrong. Kevin Rudd was incredibly popular, doesn't mean voting for him was a good idea etc etc etc ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather Post by stryder110011 on Jun 19th, 2011 at 12:09pm I guess in Astro surfs case he sees it MORE in vague looking graphs than in the weather, ;D giss-jan08-520.png (21 KB | 26
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather Post by astro_surf on Jun 19th, 2011 at 12:16pm creep wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 11:39am:
You're a liar. You're deceitful. You'r just like Gillard! ;D "Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on. No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously. A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe out most of the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down. "[/quote] How stupid are you? You can't even interpret you denier screeds properly. You're absolutely delusional. |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather Post by astro_surf on Jun 19th, 2011 at 12:20pm stryder wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 12:09pm:
YEAH! WHO NEEDS DATA WHEN I CAN SHOUT IN CAPS LOCK INSTEAD!!! :D :D :D :D ST00000000000PID SCIENTISTS!!! :D :D :D :D Sigh... Maybe if you were scientifically literate enough to read a graph you wouldn't conside rit "vague' no wonder you're a denier. If the ALP has one thing to thank itself for it is the lack of focus on scien education over the last 40 years. That one has REALLY come back to bite them on the arse. And that graph is actually from creeps denier source and supposedly shows 100 years of cooling. Where, creep? And where in that article does it say ANYTHING about 100 years of cooling? It's amazing just how stupid denies really are. They have absolutely NO clue what they are talking about ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather" Post by boogieman on Jun 19th, 2011 at 12:29pm
Fool.
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather Post by creep on Jun 19th, 2011 at 12:39pm stryder wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 12:09pm:
LOL Yes the footy carries on a bit But what else would you expect from him who always lies, deceives and makes stuff up, but when he gets confronted with facts and reality he spits his dummy Its fun to watch :D :D :D It must be because of all those kicks to the head! |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather" Post by progressiveslol on Jun 19th, 2011 at 12:46pm
Funny how we now have global cooling denialists. Sun spots stopping will make it even cooler but denied by denialists.
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather" Post by stryder110011 on Jun 19th, 2011 at 12:47pm Quote:
Ladies and Gentlemen, observe this eco leftie before you. again His finds great comfort and certainty in graphical data that will still look somewhat vague and open to different interpretations, than seeing the actual weather that he is refering too. |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather" Post by creep on Jun 19th, 2011 at 12:48pm progressiveslol wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 12:46pm:
Yes, and amazing how they STILL hate the facts that global temperatures are dropping. Can any of these global warmists explain why Antarctica is getting bigger??????? Oh that's right global warming is making more ice!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather" Post by creep on Jun 19th, 2011 at 12:50pm stryder wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 12:47pm:
LOL I see that the footy has appeared in (yawn) another disguise but ssshhhh we're not to know! |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather" Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jun 19th, 2011 at 12:54pm astro_surf wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 12:09pm:
Who are you to decide or say that? Particularly when the costs of living of this demographic will be increased by the decision of a Government tax,. When we lived in Australia our mortgage was $4,000 per month, our electricity and gas bills were well over $700 per quarter. We were looking at a cost of $10,000 in fees for our 3 year old to attend early learning prepatory school. We spent over $5,000 in trips to see family in Europe each year. There are many costs to living - it is not yours (or the Government's place) to tell us whether we can 'afford to spend more' for exactly the same things we get now. |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather Post by astro_surf on Jun 19th, 2011 at 1:51pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 12:54pm:
Yes, you made a choice to be mortgaged to hilt, have unnecessary private education and consuming a stupid amount of power. They're lifestyle CHOICES and if you can't live within your means then you need to make different choices. If you're spending $700 a quarter how ever many years ago that you lived in Australia (probably more like $800 or $900 in today's terms) then you're a fool and glutton and you NEED to be taxed to wake you up out your torpor. Use less electricity. There is no reason why a household should use 40 - 50 kW/h per day, if they find the bills hard to pay there would be no end of ways that you could reduce your consumption. Why should anyone else subsidise your LIFESTYLE CHOICES? |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather" Post by astro_surf on Jun 19th, 2011 at 1:52pm stryder wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 12:47pm:
OK. What alternative interpretation do you see in the above data. Where is this "hundred years of cooling" that creep "interprets" from the data? I won't be holding my breath waiting for a reply... |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jun 19th, 2011 at 1:55pm astro_surf wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 1:51pm:
There you go again - making wide sweeping assumptions without knowing any of the detail. Much like your idiotic claim that people in the middle bracket can 'afford to pay more'. We weren't mortgaged to the hilt. That was a $600k mortgage on a house worth over $1.3m - we paid well over $800k ourselves without the mortgage all up. We didn't 'waste' energy - that was the cost in 2006/7 to fuel the house and the various rooms. We actually (being a couple of accountants) budget very well but to have a Government tell us 'we can afford more' when there is actually no reason or additional benefit to us when we do - its arrogance. Yet they give money to others to pay this tax but not our demographic. Why?? Well, one could argue its the same old story, Labor (for reasons I am not sure) doesn't like the middle class of Australia and never has. |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather" Post by Maeve on Jun 19th, 2011 at 1:57pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtgv3LaL9WU&feature=player_detailpage#t=2s
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather Post by astro_surf on Jun 19th, 2011 at 2:11pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 1:55pm:
Then what are you whining about? You expect others to subsidise your investment choices? Talk about sense of entitlement! ::) Quote:
If you can't afford the bills then you obviously bought too big a house. That is your CHOICE that YOU made. No one ASKED you to buy a house that was too big for you to afford the energy bills. Quote:
Are, so you're making all of this up. You didn't face ANY cost of living pressures? You made choice and lived within your means, you're just trying to score cheap political points that have no basis in reality? Quote:
Because anyone living in a $150k household neither requires nor deserves to be subsidised by the taxpayer. We live in a welfare state, we have a social compact that those who need assistance receive and those who don't help to pay for it. If you don't like it you can always stay in America or Engl;and or wherever it is you've decided that you live on any given day |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather Post by astro_surf on Jun 19th, 2011 at 2:52pm astro_surf wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 1:52pm:
An entirely predictable response from stryder and creep... |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather" Post by creep on Jun 19th, 2011 at 7:45pm
Anyone else want to kick the footy around tonight?
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather" Post by Greens_Win on Jun 19th, 2011 at 8:01pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 11:55am:
Polls are interesting for poll followers ... yet have no other relevance unless it is election day. And the next is years off. So if Liberals are a certainty at the next election in your mind, how will this lame duck Liberal Lower House negotiate with a Greens controlled Senate? |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather" Post by salad in on Jun 19th, 2011 at 8:01pm creep wrote on Jun 19th, 2011 at 10:49am:
With Ozlotto offering AUD$20 million this Tuesday night is there any chance of Bob or Christine giving us there knowledge about which marbles will drop? They seem to have limitless powers. |
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather" Post by creep on Jun 19th, 2011 at 8:01pm
The footy makes for a good drop kick! :D :D :D
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Title: Re: The Greens "You can see it in the weather Post by astro_surf on Jun 19th, 2011 at 8:02pm
Can't answer, eh? Watch creep go uncharacteristically quiet once his delusions are challenged with a touch of reality! ;D ;D ;D
Poor, poor creep, a useful idiot for a Liberal Party that really believes in climate change but poor creep is too stupid to even realise how he is being manipulated by Warmists with an agenda! ;D ;D ;D |
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