Did you see this, Abu? I hadn't heard about it until this morning.



Quote:

Among the men of Bravo Company, the notion of killing an Afghan civilian had been the subject of countless conversations, during lunchtime chats and late-night bull sessions. For weeks, they had weighed the ethics of bagging "savages" and debated the probability of getting caught. Some of them agonized over the idea; others were gung-ho from the start. But not long after the New Year, as winter descended on the arid plains of Kandahar Province, they agreed to stop talking and actually pull the trigger. ... The two soldiers, Cpl. Jeremy Morlock and Pfc. Andrew Holmes, saw a young farmer who was working by himself among the spiky shoots. Off in the distance, a few other soldiers stood sentry. But the farmer was the only Afghan in sight. With no one around to witness, the timing was right. And just like that, they picked him for execution. He was a smooth-faced kid, about 15 years old. Not much younger than they were: Morlock was 21, Holmes was 19. His name, they would later learn, was Gul Mudin, a common name in Afghanistan. He was wearing a little cap and a Western-style green jacket. He held nothing in his hand that could be interpreted as a weapon, not even a shovel. The expression on his face was welcoming. "He was not a threat," Morlock later confessed. The soldiers knelt down behind a mud-brick wall. Then Morlock tossed a grenade toward Mudin, using the wall as cover. As the grenade exploded, he and Holmes opened fire, shooting the boy repeatedly at close range with an M4 carbine and a machine gun. Mudin buckled, went down face first onto the ground. His cap toppled off. A pool of blood congealed by his head. As the soldiers milled around the body, a local elder who had been working in the poppy field came forward and accused Morlock and Holmes of murder. Pointing to Morlock, he said that the soldier, not the boy, had thrown the grenade. Morlock and the other soldiers ignored him. To identify the body, the soldiers fetched the village elder who had been speaking to the officers that morning. But by tragic coincidence, the elder turned out to be the father of the slain boy. His moment of grief-stricken recognition, when he saw his son lying in a pool of blood, was later recounted in the flat prose of an official Army report. "The father was very upset," the report noted. The father's grief did nothing to interrupt the pumped-up mood that had broken out among the soldiers. Following the routine Army procedure required after every battlefield death, they cut off the dead boy's clothes and stripped him naked to check for identifying tattoos. Next they scanned his iris and fingerprints, using a portable biometric scanner. Then, in a break with protocol, the soldiers began taking photographs of themselves celebrating their kill. Holding a cigarette rakishly in one hand, Holmes posed for the camera with Mudin's bloody and half-naked corpse, grabbing the boy's head by the hair as if it were a trophy deer. Morlock made sure to get a similar memento. No one seemed more pleased by the kill than Staff Sgt. Calvin Gibbs, the platoon's popular and hard-charging squad leader. "It was like another day at the office for him," one soldier recalls. Gibbs started "messing around with the kid," moving his arms and mouth and "acting like the kid was talking." Then, using a pair of razor-sharp medic's shears, he reportedly sliced off the dead boy's pinky finger and gave it to Holmes, as a trophy for killing his first Afghan.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-kill-team-20110327?page=1

I hope those soldiers receive the death penalty for murder.

way to 'win the hearts and minds' of the locals.

Yes. There are barbaric animals on all sides, it would seem.

The men that actually killed the boy (among others) certainly won't receive the death penalty because the army is pinning it all on their sergeant. The killers pleaded guilty and are now testifying against their superior.

Morlock is from the same town as Sarah Palin. Must be something in the water.

This is what happens when US courts give street gang members the choice of going to gaol for their crimes, or serving for a set period in the army.
The army don't want them either, so they pack them off to far away places like Afghanistan.
And the crimes they inflict on that populace they wear as a badge of honour.

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 1:02pm:

Yes. There are barbaric animals on all sides, it would seem.

Nobody here is disputing that.

It would be nice if all those who claim to be standing among the human beings, would be willing to separate themselves from the evil, whenever they recognise it.

Sadly we rarely do that, if at all.


e.g.
Pakistan: Muslim businessman falsely accuses Christian rival of blasphemy, forces him to flee, mob sets fire to his shop
"Ten years ago, Gulzar Masih opened a bookstore in Druman Wala Chowk, a Sialkot neighbourhood, along with a Muslim associate Abdul Rauf. As business increased, they bought a bigger store.
“As soon as the business started growing, Abdul Rauf wanted to take over the business. Some issues started between the partners, and ultimately in 2009 the Delight Book Shop was divided into two shops, Delight Books and New Delight Books,” said Fr Anwar Feroze, who knows the victim. “However, because Gulzar Masih had good contacts with suppliers, his business grew. Rauf was not happy.....” "
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/pakistan-muslim-businessman-falsely-accuses-christian-rival-of-blasphemy-force-him-to-flee-set-fire.html





"Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good."

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 1:21pm:

The men that actually killed the boy (among others) certainly won't receive the death penalty because the army is pinning it all on their sergeant. The killers pleaded guilty and are now testifying against their superior. Morlock is from the same town as Sarah Palin. Must be something in the water.

So on the basis of where the perpetrator comes from, you have unilaterally decided to associate Sarah Palin with the person principally being blamed for the outrage committed against that Afghani boy ???

How fair and just of you Annie.
/sarc off






Annie Anthrax wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 1:02pm:

There are barbaric animals on all sides, it would seem.

Hypocrite.


Dictionary;
hypocrisy = = the practice of claiming to have higher standards or beliefs than is the case.

Yadda wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 12:36pm:

[Dictionary;hypocrisy = = the practice of claiming to have higher standards or beliefs than is the case.

Exactly.

Karnal wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 12:48pm:

Yadda wrote on Jun 3rd, 2011 at 12:36pm: [Dictionary;hypocrisy = = the practice of claiming to have higher standards or beliefs than is the case. Exactly.

Thank you Karnal.

I know that you concur.





"Silence is consent."
- Mohammed

the A team

BigOl64 wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 1:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 31st, 2011 at 12:54pm: I hope those soldiers receive the death penalty for murder. I dare say your hope will be fulfilled as the US does not bugger around with scumbag murderers.

Hang em,  and hang em high!

I wanna kill Bobby.
Can I please?

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 2:08pm:

I wanna kill Bobby. Can I please?

My frien, this bat will be punished by Gud.

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 2:08pm:

I wanna kill Bobby. Can I please?

Why -

who'd want to kill me?

I only have friends!

Bobby. wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 4:26pm:

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 3rd, 2011 at 2:08pm: I wanna kill Bobby. Can I please? Why - who'd want to kill me? I only have friends!

You have friens only with Satan, bat.

Karnal wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 5:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 3rd, 2011 at 4:26pm: It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 3rd, 2011 at 2:08pm: I wanna kill Bobby. Can I please? Why - who'd want to kill me? I only have friends! You have friens only with Satan, bat.

Satan is just an invention of religious nutcases.

So you only have imaginary friends?

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 9:00pm:

So you only have imaginary friends?

No - I don't imagine that you're my friend do I - Freediver?

Bobby. wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 9:38pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2011 at 9:00pm: So you only have imaginary friends? No - I don't imagine that you're my friend do I - Freediver?

We are all friend here, bat. Bless Him, bless Him. Give up Satan and pray to Gud. Allah Uakbar, God is great, there is no god but Allah. Give up darkness and come to Gud.

Karnal wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2011 at 10:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 3rd, 2011 at 9:38pm: freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2011 at 9:00pm: So you only have imaginary friends? No - I don't imagine that you're my friend do I - Freediver? We are all friend here, bat. Bless Him, bless Him. Give up Satan and pray to Gud. Allah Uakbar, God is great, there is no god but Allah. Give up darkness and come to Gud.

You see everyone - Karnal is my friend too.  :)

Bobby. wrote on Jun 4^th, 2011 at 1:22am:

Hang em,  and hang em high!

Seemed a reasonable response to me, am I missing something?

Grey wrote on Jun 4^th, 2011 at 2:20am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 1:22am:  Hang em,  and hang em high! Seemed a reasonable response to me, am I missing something?

That's right.
Murderers should be hanged from a high position in public
with a sign around their neck saying murderer &
then at least that would help to deter others.
Wouldn't that give us a better society?

Bobby. wrote on Jun 4^th, 2011 at 1:49pm:

Grey wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 2:20am: Bobby. wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 1:22am:  Hang em,  and hang em high! Seemed a reasonable response to me, am I missing something? That's right. Murderers should be hanged from a high position in public with a sign around their neck saying murderer & then at least that would help to deter others. Wouldn't that give us a better society?

IF it deterred others it would be worth doing. There's no evidence that it would. Murder is not like theft, if you take sombodies life you don't get it added to your own. nobody with a functioning heart actually does murder so statistics are never likely to dramatically fall.

Grey wrote on Jun 4^th, 2011 at 2:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 1:49pm: Grey wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 2:20am: Bobby. wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 1:22am:  Hang em,  and hang em high! Seemed a reasonable response to me, am I missing something? That's right. Murderers should be hanged from a high position in public with a sign around their neck saying murderer & then at least that would help to deter others. Wouldn't that give us a better society? IF it deterred others it would be worth doing. There's no evidence that it would. Murder is not like theft, if you take sombodies life you don't get it added to your own. nobody with a functioning heart actually does murder so statistics are never likely to dramatically fall.

It's better than putting them in jail with all their friends -
giving them 3 meals a day - & then letting them out after
a "life" sentence of 10 years, so they can do it again.
(And they have )

Grey wrote on Jun 4^th, 2011 at 2:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 1:49pm: Grey wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 2:20am: Bobby. wrote on Jun 4th, 2011 at 1:22am:  Hang em,  and hang em high! Seemed a reasonable response to me, am I missing something? That's right. Murderers should be hanged from a high position in public with a sign around their neck saying murderer & then at least that would help to deter others. Wouldn't that give us a better society? IF it deterred others it would be worth doing. There's no evidence that it would. Murder is not like theft, if you take sombodies life you don't get it added to your own. nobody with a functioning heart actually does murder so statistics are never likely to dramatically fall.

'IF it deterred others it would be worth doing',
...but we should have a heart, and extend mercy, to the heartless ???

In my book, mercy is for the repentant, not for the heartless murderer.


Google;
recidivism rate for murderers


Google;
recidivism among murderers

Thanks Yadda.


Hang em,  and hang em high!

Quote:

...but we should have a heart, and extend mercy, to the heartless ??? In my book, mercy is for the repentant, not for the heartless murderer.

What would Jesus do? I haven't read the book of Yadda.

freediver wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 10:38am:

Quote: ...but we should have a heart, and extend mercy, to the heartless ??? In my book, mercy is for the repentant, not for the heartless murderer. What would Jesus do? I haven't read the book of Yadda.

Jesus would forgive the murderer & say

" go and sin no more "

Bobby. wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 11:04am:

Jesus would forgive the murderer & say " go and sin no more "

Yeah but it's easy to say when you can raise yourself from being dead and be reconstituted out of wafers and wine.  ;D

Yeheshua is prophet of Allah. Yeheshua want everyone to forgive. Forgive the sinner, do not stone the lady. Ha! This is no good, my friends.

Ask Yadda, he will agree. He is the karmik Christian. He want eye and tooth.

This is good, my friends. We must kill and take tooth. God is severe God, is not good to forgive. Yeheshua is nice but is not Gud.

We must kill the Christian, friend.

freediver wrote on Jun 5^th, 2011 at 10:38am:

Quote: ...but we should have a heart, and extend mercy, to the heartless ??? In my book, mercy is for the repentant, not for the heartless murderer. What would Jesus do? I haven't read the book of Yadda.

Luke 17:3
Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
4  And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.


John 8:10
When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11  She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.




God's forgiveness and mercy, is joined with repentance.

That 'message' is there, throughout the Bible

There will be mercy for the repentant, but a 'stick' for the 'foolish', the unrepentant.


Proverbs 8:13
The fear of the LORD is to hate evil:...


Proverbs 9:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.


Amos 5:14
Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken.
15  Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph.


Hosea 12:6
Therefore turn thou to thy God: keep mercy and judgment, and wait on thy God continually.


Romans 12:9
Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.




An example of where there is no judgement ???

Speaking of Jerusalem [which was meant to be a holy city, for a holy people.]...

Isaiah 1:21
How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.
22  Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water:
23  Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.




No body compels us to choose the evil.

We choose the evil, ourselves.


FD,

What would Jesus do?

This is supposedly, the testimony of Jesus....

Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.




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"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."
Karl Popper


"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."
Thomas Mann

Yadda wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 8:59am:

God's forgiveness and mercy, is joined with repentance. That 'message' is there, throughout the Bible

"Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live:..."
Ezekiel 33:11



Isaiah 55:6
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
7  Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.




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Men have no idea how close God is, to each one of us.

Acts 17:27
That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28  For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.


Jeremiah 9:1
Oh that my head were waters, and mine eyes a fountain of tears, that I might weep day and night for the slain of the daughter of my people!
2  Oh that I had in the wilderness a lodging place of wayfaring men; that I might leave my people, and go from them! for they be all adulterers, an assembly of treacherous men.
3  And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD.
4  Take ye heed every one of his neighbour, and trust ye not in any brother: for every brother will utterly supplant, and every neighbour will walk with slanders.
5  And they will deceive every one his neighbour, and will not speak the truth: they have taught their tongue to speak lies, and weary themselves to commit iniquity.
6  Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit; through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the LORD.

My frien, Islam agrees with you. The fear of Lord is to hate evil.

Islam hates evil - Yadda karmic Christianity hates evil. You see? All is one.

There is no Gud but Allah, friend.

Karnal wrote on Jun 6^th, 2011 at 4:43pm:

My frien, Islam agrees with you. The fear of Lord is to hate evil. Islam hates evil - Yadda karmic Christianity hates evil. You see? All is one. There is no Gud but Allah, friend.

Karnal,

Every time i read your posts, one 'message' comes to mind....

"I make myself a clown to everyone, i amuse everyone, so that i can deceive everyone."

The one poem. There is no Universe but the real one. :)

Yadda wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 9:13am:

Karnal wrote on Jun 6th, 2011 at 4:43pm: My frien, Islam agrees with you. The fear of Lord is to hate evil. Islam hates evil - Yadda karmic Christianity hates evil. You see? All is one. There is no Gud but Allah, friend. Karnal, Every time i read your posts, one 'message' comes to mind.... "I make myself a clown to everyone, i amuse everyone, so that i can deceive everyone."

Alas, effende, life is futile and meaningless. I must deceive myself.

Kabesh!

what part of stone cold do you not understand karnal

Cliff Richard wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 3:34pm:

what part of stone cold do you not understand karnal

My frien, temperature of stone does not matter. You must pick small stones so infidel does not die straight away.