Well one good thing that has come out of this man made climate change rubbish. power bills are getting so high that I am forced to use my fire place for heat, sure my carbon emissions are much higher now, but I do not have to pay any carbon tax for it.

god, this fireplace puts out more heat then i remember, time to put another log on.

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 25^th, 2011 at 8:44pm:

god, this fireplace puts out more heat then i remember, time to put another log on.

You are lucky, you get twice the impact on the environment. You get to kill a tree that would take carbon dioxide out of the environment, then you get to burn what carbon it did take out the environment in its lifetime.

Actually, interesting question: will there be carbon tax on firewood? When you burn wood you release the solar energy stored by the organic matter while it was alive - so it is ultimately solar power. Is it going to be tax-exempt?

Come to think of it, coal is concentrated solar energy. All fossil fuels are. So we are going to have a tax on traditional solar energy.  

It takes a community lawyer....

EVERYTHING is solar power.

astro_surf wrote on May 25^th, 2011 at 9:11pm:

EVERYTHING is solar power.

Actually, waves are moon energy.

progressiveslol wrote on May 25^th, 2011 at 9:01pm:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 25th, 2011 at 8:44pm: god, this fireplace puts out more heat then i remember, time to put another log on. You are lucky, you get twice the impact on the environment. You get to kill a tree that would take carbon dioxide out of the environment, then you get to burn what carbon it did take out the environment in its lifetime.

sounds just like the gillard /brown plan to me...

tax the mugs that have no choice but to use coal fired power.to force them to stop using it..

whilst selling the same coal to overseas... to make a billion bucks..

seems very hypocritical to me.....imagine how much our footprint would drop... without this HUGE TAX...


if we just stop selling the coal.......


why is it alright for the Chinese to use coal....

and not Australians??????????????????

Soren wrote on May 25^th, 2011 at 9:13pm:

astro_surf wrote on May 25th, 2011 at 9:11pm: EVERYTHING is solar power. Actually, waves are moon energy.

All matter heavier than hydrogen was forged in the heart of stars, including the moon.

putting on another log
i'm bringing the chain saw home tomorrow....

has anyone bypassed there power meter yet?
just a tip do it before the power box so when they pull your council fuses. they cant accuse you of using thier power. if they cant see it they cant prove it and they got no right too pull your house apart to see where the house is getting power from.

Well i have to admit, burning wood was the go. the house was much warmer this morning.

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 25^th, 2011 at 8:09pm:

Well one good thing that has come out of this man made climate change rubbish. power bills are getting so high that I am forced to use my fire place for heat, sure my carbon emissions are much higher now, but I do not have to pay any carbon tax for it.

Good point ripper.    If these idiots in government and the green slime keeping them there, bring in a carbon tax,  the so-called big polluters will be forced to move off-shore where there is far less regulation on carbon emissions,  their emissions will be higher, they will pay not tax,  and Australian workers will have no jobs.  

http://www.zgeek.com/forum/gallery/files/1/7/9/1/0/troll_fail.jpg

Let the big polluters pollute our atmosphere for free.
That is good for those who like to inhale their left over rubbish.

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 25^th, 2011 at 9:45pm:

has anyone bypassed there power meter yet? just a tip do it before the power box so when they pull your council fuses. they cant accuse you of using thier power. if they cant see it they cant prove it and they got no right too pull your house apart to see where the house is getting power from.

Bloody Moron, what you speak of is incredibly stupid, and dangerous, as well as illegal, and irresponsible, no surprise that a cretinous AGW denier fits into those categories.

Have a look at the denialist bunch here, if their brains were dynamite, they wouldn't have enough to blow their noses.

astro_surf wrote on May 25^th, 2011 at 9:19pm:

forged in the heart of stars,

That's powerful imagery!!

Hephaistos, son of Zeus, the lame blacksmith of the gods, forged the armour of Achilles and everything else, in the heart of stars.

I like it.

Wally wrote on May 26^th, 2011 at 9:06am:

Let the big polluters pollute our atmosphere for free. That is good for those who like to inhale their left over rubbish.

Big polluters that the government is going to save us from headed by power generation entities which untill a recent spate of wanting to unload them were 100% owned entities of state governments.
They are only going to target the top 1000 biggest polluters when in fact these companies are simply going to pass those charges on to consumers.
As for inhaling their left over rubbish, governments both fed and state are busy shovelling coal (at all time high rates) onto ships to be burnt o/s and contribute to the JOINT atmosphere emmissions without paying a single cent for the carbon emitted. The contribution here is to increase globally CO2 emmissions with our fossil fuels while subsidising their emmissions at the rate of 100%. Mitigation of carbon is only of any effect if there is global reductions.
If you believe the burning of fossil fuels is evil then you should not just support putting a price on it. That is the same idealogical argument as saying child prostitution is OK as long as people pay sufficiently for it. If you are serious that not only involves the non use of all power derived from fossil fuels but all petrochemicals and all oil derivitives as well. You could allways go back to burning whale oil. If you did that then you would "save the world" provided there was no ecological tipping point that we're already past and that someone elsewhere in the world does not take up your slack.
But you won't because you're a bunch of hypocrites.

Just like I thought.

I'll always take science over superstition

adelcrow wrote on May 26^th, 2011 at 5:59pm:

I'll always take science over superstition

Same! http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/brown/thumbup.gif

http://www.azimuthproject.org/azimuth/show/Sea+level+rise

Some of the graphs here are from skeptical science ...!!  ;) ;)

tonegunman1 wrote on May 26^th, 2011 at 1:36pm:

Wally wrote on May 26th, 2011 at 9:06am: Let the big polluters pollute our atmosphere for free. That is good for those who like to inhale their left over rubbish. Big polluters that the government is going to save us from headed by power generation entities which untill a recent spate of wanting to unload them were 100% owned entities of state governments. They are only going to target the top 1000 biggest polluters when in fact these companies are simply going to pass those charges on to consumers. As for inhaling their left over rubbish, governments both fed and state are busy shovelling coal (at all time high rates) onto ships to be burnt o/s and contribute to the JOINT atmosphere emmissions without paying a single cent for the carbon emitted. The contribution here is to increase globally CO2 emmissions with our fossil fuels while subsidising their emmissions at the rate of 100%. Mitigation of carbon is only of any effect if there is global reductions. If you believe the burning of fossil fuels is evil then you should not just support putting a price on it. That is the same idealogical argument as saying child prostitution is OK as long as people pay sufficiently for it. If you are serious that not only involves the non use of all power derived from fossil fuels but all petrochemicals and all oil derivitives as well. You could allways go back to burning whale oil. If you did that then you would "save the world" provided there was no ecological tipping point that we're already past and that someone elsewhere in the world does not take up your slack. But you won't because you're a bunch of hypocrites.

if the science was so true... why can we not hear the screams to close down all the mines.... the very ones the scientist blame...

have you heard anyone call for that tone?????????????,,

we are desperate dont forget only a decade....


why is it alright to sell this stuff.????????. the very thing they want to tax the hell out of us for using.... yet its the fact that the govt is selling the bloody stuff.....that puts us in the position...supposedly of damaging the planet.

mozzaok wrote on May 26^th, 2011 at 9:11am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on May 25th, 2011 at 9:45pm: has anyone bypassed there power meter yet? just a tip do it before the power box so when they pull your council fuses. they cant accuse you of using thier power. if they cant see it they cant prove it and they got no right too pull your house apart to see where the house is getting power from. Bloody Moron, what you speak of is incredibly stupid, and dangerous, as well as illegal, and irresponsible, no surprise that a cretinous AGW denier fits into those categories. Have a look at the denialist bunch here, if their brains were dynamite, they wouldn't have enough to blow their noses.

That's hilarious! ;D The cretin obviously doesn't realise that's how they catch indoor marijuana growers! And the penalty for stealing electricity is greater than for growing the marijuana! ;D

Keep it up dimwit and you'll be going to jail! ;D

cods wrote on May 26^th, 2011 at 6:55pm:

tonegunman1 wrote on May 26th, 2011 at 1:36pm: Wally wrote on May 26th, 2011 at 9:06am: Let the big polluters pollute our atmosphere for free. That is good for those who like to inhale their left over rubbish. Big polluters that the government is going to save us from headed by power generation entities which untill a recent spate of wanting to unload them were 100% owned entities of state governments. They are only going to target the top 1000 biggest polluters when in fact these companies are simply going to pass those charges on to consumers. As for inhaling their left over rubbish, governments both fed and state are busy shovelling coal (at all time high rates) onto ships to be burnt o/s and contribute to the JOINT atmosphere emmissions without paying a single cent for the carbon emitted. The contribution here is to increase globally CO2 emmissions with our fossil fuels while subsidising their emmissions at the rate of 100%. Mitigation of carbon is only of any effect if there is global reductions. If you believe the burning of fossil fuels is evil then you should not just support putting a price on it. That is the same idealogical argument as saying child prostitution is OK as long as people pay sufficiently for it. If you are serious that not only involves the non use of all power derived from fossil fuels but all petrochemicals and all oil derivitives as well. You could allways go back to burning whale oil. If you did that then you would "save the world" provided there was no ecological tipping point that we're already past and that someone elsewhere in the world does not take up your slack. But you won't because you're a bunch of hypocrites. if the science was so true... why can we not hear the screams to close down all the mines.... the very ones the scientist blame... have you heard anyone call for that tone?????????????,, we are desperate dont forget only a decade.... why is it alright to sell this stuff.????????. the very thing they want to tax the hell out of us for using.... yet its the fact that the govt is selling the bloody stuff.....that puts us in the position...supposedly of damaging the planet.

No because they're hypocrites cods. They are that convinced that our lifestyle is bringing about the end of the planet as we know it they are prepared to fly all over the world and stay at 5 star resorts on hand wringing conventions and still push for economic growth and say things like "we're going to limit temperature increase to 2 C" without any plan of how this great feat is going to be achieved or even any real intention of doing anything concrete.
They're a bunch of dripping nob ends without a clue.