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Title: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Tony Bradshaw on May 18th, 2011 at 1:06pm
Chris Uhlmann made a complete fool of Bobby last night. The far-left simply cannot handle tough scrutiny!
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2011/s3219517.htm |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Ernie on May 18th, 2011 at 1:10pm
Can't watch it right now, but I wonder what happened to the accusations of bias against the ABC?
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by mavisdavis on May 18th, 2011 at 1:12pm Please delete wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 1:10pm:
Nup, they don`t handle scrutiny well at all. Observe the feeble attempt at diversion, above. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Tony Bradshaw on May 18th, 2011 at 1:16pm
Greens supporters are throwing a tantrum on Twitter this morning, complaining of unfairness and branding Uhlmann and the ABC "a spokesman for the Minerals Council and coal lobby" etc. and saying that Uhlmann is a "bully of the Right".
:D :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by progressiveslol on May 18th, 2011 at 1:17pm Tony Bradshaw wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 1:16pm:
Funny too that all the guy did was push booby for the truth of his own words. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by dsmithy70 on May 18th, 2011 at 1:19pm mavisdavis wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 1:12pm:
I'm wondering how you get diversion out of that? It's a perfectly legitimate question when the accusation is levelled at every opportunity that the ABC is full of Commies & Greenies out to destroy the conservative party of Australia. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by BigOl64 on May 18th, 2011 at 1:24pm I did like how brown the clown tried to deny his party was hell bent on shutting down the coal industry, maybe he should read his own policies. ;D He was squirming out of being forced to tell the truth, nice work but I thought he could have gone in harder. $50 bil a year from exporting solar panels, good one brown you idiot. ;D |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Tony Bradshaw on May 18th, 2011 at 1:24pm
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CHRIS UHLMANN: We're joined in the studio by Greens leader Bob Brown, welcome to 7:30. BOB BROWN, GREENS LEADER: Hi, Chris. CHRIS UHLMANN: Did you force the Prime Minister into a carbon tax? BOB BROWN: No. We did make clear that we had the Garnaut prescription for a tax and then a... CHRIS UHLMANN: That was one year followed by a trading scheme? BOB BROWN: That's right. Well, no, it wasn't one year it was a period but we went to the election with that prescription. We then made an agreement with the Prime Minister to set up a committee to look at that and be informed by experts and out of that committee has come the prescription that we, or the framework, we now know about. CHRIS UHLMANN: Sure but she says she had her heart set on a carbon market and now she's been forced into a carbon tax and if you didn't force her and Independents didn't force her and she wants one, why don't we have one? BOB BROWN: She's getting a carbon market. There's a tax on the way to a carbon market. CHRIS UHLMANN: Three to five years. BOB BROWN: That's right. CHRIS UHLMANN: There is a review after that so there may not ever be a carbon market. BOB BROWN: Everybody's agreed a carbon market is where we're aiming. We have always said that ourselves, Christine Milne's been very strong on that. We'll hopefully dove-tail into a world which has got an international market going and Australia will be a leader in establishing that international climate for reducing carbon. CHRIS UHLMANN: Sure, I understand what it would do but can you understand why people might be a bit bemused if the Prime Minister says she's been forceded into a carbon tax that might go five years or longer because it's going to be reviewed and you weren't happy to have a carbon market - the Independents were happy to have a carbon market and she was too, so who forced her into having a tax up front? BOB BROWN: I don't know. You'll have to ask her about this. CHRIS UHLMANN: I have. BOB BROWN: Is this the issue? CHRIS UHLMANN: I think it is, yes. BOB BROWN: Is it for you but for us it's getting our great country of ours into an economically responsible trajectory for an age of environmental economic wellbeing. The German Government has just pointed out this week that they are going to take the lead here, they're not going to allow Obama to overtake them because their legislation in this area seven years ago has created 250,000 jobs and that will be 900,000 jobs by 2030 and they want to stay in front. CHRIS UHLMANN: We can come to that in a moment. The point here is the Prime Minister made a very big play before the election was held about there not being a tax. There is now a tax. Might go three to five years. She says she's been forced into that position. I'm trying to establish who forced her. BOB BROWN: I have been to no committee meetings with a thumb screw. CHRIS UHLMANN: It wasn't you is the short story? |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Tony Bradshaw on May 18th, 2011 at 1:24pm
BOB BROWN: Absolutely. We've had a mature discussion about how to move Australia to a carbon price and there's Independents, Greens, the Labor Government, remember Tony Abbott sat out of this. Tony Abbott's prescription is to give the polluters the money off the taxpayers. What we're moving to here through a tax on polluters or, and a trading scheme, is to take the money from the polluters and give it to the householders and general economy and renewable energy and people like that and that's where I think the problem is for Tony Abbott. He's backing the wrong horse. He's saying, "Take the money off the people, give it to the polluters." We're saying, "Take it off the polluters and make sure you look after the people."
CHRIS UHLMANN: But you'll take the money off the polluters which are also big employers and they will take it off the people. Isn't that the case? BOB BROWN: Really? CHRIS UHLMANN: Well in... BOB BROWN: In Germany where they've done this, I just reiterate 250,000 jobs created. Are we going to look after the 68,000 jobs on the Great Barrier Reef? That's twice as many as in the whole of the coal industry. Are we going to look after the manufacturing sector in Australia and make sure it's got the advantage of being a world leader in an age where you have to take an ecological lead and look after the jobs there or are we going to take the Abbott view which is very last century and is going to leave us at the back of the pack. CHRIS UHLMANN: Briefly, the jobs in Germany came at a cost of 205,000 Euros each by way of subsidies. Is that a fair price for a job? BOB BROWN: Whatever way you look at it, Chris, they are on to a winner and want to take it forward and if you're talking about subsidies, how about the $11 billion a year in fossil fuel subsidies go off taxpayers to that industry at the moment with a very, very sparse return in terms of jobs. CHRIS UHLMANN: Do you believe that markets are an efficient way of pricing things? Because we've just had the experience of the financial crisis so you say this is where we should go but are markets the best way to do? BOB BROWN: In the financial crisis it was the Greens who took the responsible point of view that we should back the Government's stimulus package and that saved 600,000 jobs and lot of small businesses with it. The Abbott crew opposed that. CHRIS UHLMANN: But are markets the best way of pricing this? BOB BROWN: The point I'm making here is we backed free enterprise but Government is there to look after the interests of the people who vote us in and to regulate and we've done that very successfully and the Greens have shown a great deal more responsibility there than the Abbott coalition. CHRIS UHLMANN: Now you've handed me some figures, you've done some polling, you think that this the move that you're making on carbon pricing is very popular. Why is that? BOB BROWN: The Galaxy poll is part of an omnibus poll done on the weekend, Chris, showed that where you ask people do they think the polluters should be paying or do they think the polluters should be given money to achieve a reduction in their greenhouse gas emissions. People by more than three to one in Australia say no, the polluters should pay. In other words, Tony Abbott is on a loser. CHRIS UHLMANN: You didn't ask consumers whether or not they were prepared to pay themselves. You did't ask consumers whether or not they were prepared to pay a price that might be passed on by an electricity company. BOB BROWN: You mustn't underestimate the intelligence of the Australian people. They know if the money comes off the polluters that's going to be available for renewable energy and to be able to shelter them from increased prices due to that polluter-pays principle. The problem for Tony Abbott is he's going to take $30 billion out of the taxpayers' coffers over the next 10 years and give it to the polluters and to re-jigging the economy. That's going to cost households $720 per household 10 years from now while the polluters haven't paid a thing. That's the wrong way to go. CHRIS UHLMANN: Bob Brown, finally on Libya, what is the mission? What is the Coalition setting out to achieve? BOB BROWN: To stop the destruction of a city of a million people, of Benghazi, by this madman, Gaddafi, who's said he would hunt people down to their closets, there would be blood running in the streets, he'd show no mercy. CHRIS UHLMANN: Should he not go because of a no-fly zone, should the allied forces try and take him out themselves? BOB BROWN: Well, you know, if you asked me, I wouldn't advise that to be their mission but I think the sooner Mr Gaddafi, like Idi Amin, is of the scene, the better for the people of Libya and the better for the world. Very difficult decision but the Greens, as with our very early support for action in East Timor, believe that this is the right way to go. There's all sorts of complexities coming down the line but we support it. CHRIS UHLMANN: Bob Brown, thank you. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by progressiveslol on May 18th, 2011 at 1:26pm
lol I just watched it. What a bumbling idiot. You could plainly see him trying to come up with BS to answer questions that were directed toward his own words. Real funny and thank god this idiot and the greens will never be in power in Australia.
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by mavisdavis on May 18th, 2011 at 1:27pm Dsmithy70 wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 1:19pm:
How about, trying to divert attention away fron the content of the interview, and away from the topic of the thread? |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Ernie on May 18th, 2011 at 1:30pm
Cor blimey, I didn't know I was that sneaky.
As I said, I can't watch it right now (at work), but I thought I was allowed to ask the question .... Broke the unwritten law ... |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Tony Bradshaw on May 18th, 2011 at 1:31pm |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by bridonta on May 18th, 2011 at 1:33pm Bob Brown thinks we are capable in producing technologies like Germany ?? and all the new jobs are in exporting green technologies to the others .. how we will compete against China ?? .. He and the Green are living in a fantasy dream .. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by progressiveslol on May 18th, 2011 at 1:35pm bridonta wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 1:33pm:
He also seems to believe that people hired by an international company, do their work for free, because aparantly all the money goes overseas and all inventory purchases are made to their country and shipped in. lol what a tosser. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by mavisdavis on May 18th, 2011 at 1:36pm Please delete wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 1:30pm:
You`ve been a naughty boy! |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Tony Bradshaw on May 18th, 2011 at 1:41pm progressiveslol wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 1:35pm:
And to add to this we have a Communist Senator starting out on July 1! Fun times ahead! |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Prevailing on May 18th, 2011 at 1:45pm Tony Bradshaw wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 1:06pm:
You mean the warm and fuzzy liberal face of Imperialist Fascism surely? "Love Me, I'm A Liberal" Jello/Mojo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGDT7wKvdRk Sure that will work - the Greens and the Labour Party represent the working class - what a riot...ROTFLMAO ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 18th, 2011 at 1:55pm Tony Bradshaw wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 1:06pm:
REVENGE AFTER BOBBY TOLD HIM TO GET THE PREMISE TO HIS QUESTIONS RIGHT AT THE MEDIA SCRUM!!?? :o |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 18th, 2011 at 2:05pm progressiveslol wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 1:26pm:
OK! :) :) |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by BigOl64 on May 18th, 2011 at 2:08pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 1:55pm:
Maybe brown the clown should have kept his mouth shut, 'cause he got fuken owned like a little b1tch. ;D It's about time these lazy journos showed some professionalism and took that idiot to task for the stupid sh1t that he goes on with. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Tony Bradshaw on May 18th, 2011 at 2:14pm
Some tweets from leftys who are pissed off at the interview:
Tweet 1: fran_b__ Fran Barlow Just heard Bob Brown (for the Greens) being interviewed by Chris Uhlmann (for the Minerals Council, Coal Assoc, LNP on their ABC Tweet 2: simon_roz Simon Roz RT @timhollo RT @JohnQuiggin Is Chris Uhlmann interviewing Bob Brown or debating him on behalf of the coal industry? Tweet 3: vealmince Josh Mehlman I was so annoyed I almost forgot how annoyed I was about Chris Uhlmann's fair-and-balanced 'interview' with Bob Brown. #abc730 :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 18th, 2011 at 2:18pm
THE WORLD IS CHANGING AND TONY ABBOTT CANNOT KEEP UP!
LIBERAL LEADERSHIP CHALLENGE HERE WE COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by progressiveslol on May 18th, 2011 at 3:20pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 2:18pm:
More like you lefty nuts are in the wrong country at the wrong time with the wrong agenda. Wrong wrong wrong ;D |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Prevailing on May 18th, 2011 at 4:12pm
Lol - Liberals and Conservatives both stand in the way of change and progress, only the working class can bring change and a revolution and that is building towards critical mass - the faster the pace of change, the closer to a working class revolution. :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Maeve on May 18th, 2011 at 4:17pm Tony Bradshaw wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 1:06pm:
Wasn't that an absolute classic. It just showed that Brown has absolutely no idea on how to keep a country solvent. Bloody idiot |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Verge on May 18th, 2011 at 4:35pm
Brown struggled big time.
I think he is starting to realise he isnt in the back of the room yelling anymore, and must now justify his stance to the people, and the people dont believe him. Pretty sad when Bobby puts more focus on Abbott instead of himself and their own position. The best form of defence is a brillant offense, and Brown had none of that today. I dont give two craps what you think of Abbott Bob, I want to know what YOU think, since your the one driving the agenda. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by sandysquirrel18 on May 18th, 2011 at 4:45pm
What ideological fools Brown and Co really are. My, my, it seems to be hissy fit time now that the Green loonies and their job destroying Policies are finally being scrutinised. I bet Juliar rues the day she made her marriage vows with the Greens, something she really didn't need to do. What a fool she really is
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by philperth2010 on May 18th, 2011 at 4:55pm progressiveslol wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 1:26pm:
Unlike Abbott who had no answer at all!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUdPabnXUNA The irony is lost on the stupid!!! |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by progressiveslol on May 18th, 2011 at 5:00pm Verge wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 4:35pm:
He looked like a kid trying to play with the big boys. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by progressiveslol on May 18th, 2011 at 5:04pm philperth2010 wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 4:55pm:
I dont see your point. Stuck for words on something that was off the cuff. You are bound to say something to upset someone else. I dont think this is comparable to having policy about something. But what the hell. If thats the best you got, then I feel sorry for you. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by philperth2010 on May 18th, 2011 at 5:15pm progressiveslol wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 5:04pm:
Abbott knew exactly what was going to be asked....the Liberal party had refused to release the video until freedom of information requests were granted.....Your condemnation of Brown is fair if you also condemn the performance of Abbott when faced with a difficult question.....You are a hypocrite mate!!! ;) |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Grey on May 18th, 2011 at 5:17pm
If an ABC interviewer went in that hard against Abbott the sound of conservatives whining would be heard over the top of an AC/DC concert in Brazil. That said Bob Brown clearly wasn't up to the challenge.
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by philperth2010 on May 18th, 2011 at 5:19pm Grey wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 5:17pm:
Exactly....look at the way the faithful excused Abbott when he had no response to a question he knew was coming!!! ;) |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by progressiveslol on May 18th, 2011 at 5:21pm philperth2010 wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 5:15pm:
Whatever. Poor comparison. If you want me to condem Abbott, then give me him doing this about policy. Abbott did look like an idiot sure, but that is as far as I can take this for you. You feel better about that or are you looking for something else. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by philperth2010 on May 18th, 2011 at 5:29pm progressiveslol wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 5:21pm:
Abbott is trying to be Prime Minister.....Brown is not......Abbott has shown he is unstable when his performance is not scripted....but you are correct, Brown's performance was very poor!!! ;) |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Astroboy on May 18th, 2011 at 5:33pm
Poor Bob must have thought he was in question time, hence the sidestepping and bumbling...LOL
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by progressiveslol on May 18th, 2011 at 5:33pm philperth2010 wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 5:29pm:
I am just not feelin it. This is by no way enough to deter people from Abbott. At this stage I think he would have to press a nuke button (if we had one) and blow up part of Australia by accident, to lose the next election. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by cods on May 18th, 2011 at 6:23pm
what is it about people like Bob Brown...
at the end of the day he can tell us dollar for dollar and how long it will take.. for Abbott policy.. yet can tell us almost nothing about his own policy even down to length of time for TAX or even if a price wil be the call..I find that quite amazing... does he just study the Libs and draw straws with the labs????? or does he make it all up....seems odd to me he has got Abbott all worked out but not his own. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Flying Binghi on May 18th, 2011 at 7:53pm
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So true... BOB BROWN: (Blah, blah, blah)... subsidies to the polluting fossil fuel industries. For example, $1.7 billion to the coal mining industry so that they pay 38 cents a litre less for their fuel than the average punter in Australia. CHRIS UHLMANN: So you're talking about the diesel fuel rebate scheme? BOB BROWN: That's a component of it but I emphasise that the big coal industry - largely owned outside Australia - pays 38 cents less than the average Australian, including small business people, for its fuel because of this massive subsidy going to actually promote pollution. CHRIS UHLMANN: But that subsidy also goes to farmers, it goes to hospitals, it goes to nursing homes, so you would withdraw that as well to subsidise complementary measures? BOB BROWN: Six hundred million goes to farmers, a tiny fraction, which we would keep in place. But when it comes to this massive subsidy - multibillion subsidy - to the mining industry...(blah, blah, blah... ) Soooo... clustafeck Brown admits its the same 'rebate' that the farmers get.. :-? The fuel tax is basicly for funding public roads. As a farmer using tractors etc that arn't used on public roads the Diesel fuel rebate scheme applys to me. The rebate is an exemption of a road tax for those not using roads. Why should the fuel for mine equipment that is NOT using public roads be taxed fer public road works ? i . |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Maqqa on May 18th, 2011 at 8:01pm cods wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 6:23pm:
A+++++ Top of the class Brown is a hypocrite!! |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Flying Binghi on May 18th, 2011 at 10:26pm
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Oh boy, yer just gotta look at that interview a few times because its a bit hard to take it in while yer laughing at the shear stupidity of BOB BROWN... ;D CHRIS UHLMANN: That $11 billion that you're talking about is money that he would forego in the mining tax, and I noticed you started your budget and reply speech just there. How would you replace the $50 billion a year in export income which comes by way of coal - an industry that you'd shut down? BOB BROWN: Well, a lot of that money is bouncing straight back out to shareholders overseas. Now what we're... CHRIS UHLMANN: A lot of that money is circulating in the economy. It's creating job, Senator, it's bouncing through to our cities. BOB BROWN: Yes, Chris, and what we would do is take the advice of the Treasury of this nation and recoup the $145 billion over the next 10 years through a super profits tax. Tony Abbott says... CHRIS UHLMANN: But you can't recoup it if you shut the industry down. BOB BROWN: Treasury... CHRIS UHLMANN: If you shut the coal industry down there won't be that money... BOB BROWN: I'm sorry... .... :o .......... :-? ................ ;Di. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by jame-e on May 18th, 2011 at 11:16pm
He did struggle, interestingly. I would of thought the questions easy for one of the few honest and open political leaders we have.
I say that not because i agree with him, but because i would find it impossible to suggest otherwise. But can anyone explain why Uhlmanns premise was not totally bogus. What does a phase out mean? Just because Uhlmann wanted it to mean '50 billion dollars' does not make it so. He did struggle, but his words were honest and sufficient. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Flying Binghi on May 18th, 2011 at 11:20pm Quote:
jame-e, if you think the "premis" is "bogus" then you will have to prove yer claim.. :-? . |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by jame-e on May 18th, 2011 at 11:39pm Flying Binghi wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 11:20pm:
Well i think Bob Browns words do that. Does he say that he would like to see a phase out of coal while being replaced with other industries? or does he say he wants the coal industry shut down tomorrow and is happy to see 50b dollars dissappear with it? In a broader sense, the world is trying to move towards being carbon neutral. Unless the consumption of coal can be worked into that aim, than the world is trying to phase out coal. Am i mistaken in my interpretation? |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Flying Binghi on May 19th, 2011 at 12:12am
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Not that i see jame-e. His first attempt - "a lot of that money is bouncing straight back out to shareholders overseas" Then he trys "take the advice of the Treasury...through a super profits tax" Quote:
jame-e, what do you mean by "carbon neutral" ? Quote:
China would buy all of Australia's coal mines if it could - it has already tried. Coal still has a bright future around the sensible parts of the world. . |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by buzzanddidj on May 19th, 2011 at 12:21am jame-e wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 11:39pm:
And who WOULD of thought ... Little Britain's 50 per cent plan for giant carbon cut makes ours look tiny Malcolm Farr May 18, 2011 *UK Conservatives approve 50 per cent carbon cut *Australia's agrees to tiny five per cent cut by 2020 *Countries taking climate change seriously - Combet BRITAIN'S Tory Prime Minister David Cameron has approved a savage reduction in carbon pollution which makes the Australian target look puny. The British coalition government today agreed to a 50 per cent cut in emissions by 2025, and the plan has the backing of the nation's industry leaders. In Australia there is a target agreed to by Labor and the Liberals for a five by 2020, and so far there is no government plan to achieve this. Further, it is not possible to directly compare the economies and energy systems of the two countries. However, Climate Change Minister Greg Combet didn't miss the opportunity and said today the British decision was "further evidence that countries around the world take climate change seriously''. "The UK has been participating in emissions trading for nearly a decade and - in contrast to what (Opposition Leader) Tony Abbott would have you believe - the sky has not fallen,'' said Mr Combet. http://www.news.com.au/national/little-britains-50-per-cent-plan-for-giant-carbon-cut/story-e6frfkvr-1226058435787#ixzz1MiGID000 |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Flying Binghi on May 19th, 2011 at 12:27am
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Uhlmann - Brown interview continues.... BOB BROWN: I'm sorry... CHRIS UHLMANN: ..available to you. BOB BROWN: I'm sorry, Chris, Treasury has no intention to shut the industry down. it tends to- it tends... CHRIS UHLMANN: No, but you do. BOB BROWN: No, I'm not. CHRIS UHLMANN: Didn't you say back in 2007 that we had to kick the coal habit? BOB BROWN: No, I did not. You're looking at the Murdoch press, where I said back in 2007 we should look at coal exports with a view to phasing them out down the line. CHRIS UHLMANN: It wasn't the Murdoch press, it was a comment piece that you wrote. So you want to phase out the coal industry? BOB BROWN: The world is going to do that because it is causing massive economic damage down the line through the impact of climate change. CHRIS UHLMANN: But the question- BOB BROWN: No, let me... CHRIS UHLMANN: The simple question is how do you replace $50 billion worth of export income? BOB BROWN: You go to renewables over the coming decades and you do that by exporting... Look, Germany did this. It's closed its coal mine. It's closing its nuclear power stations. It's gone into exporting renewables - including using Australian technology... CHRIS UHLMANN: And those jobs... BOB BROWN: It's created 350,000 jobs and a multibillion dollar export industry and Australia- China's going to have as many solar panels by 2020 as the whole world has now, using, again, a mission of technologies, including those from Australia while this country is captivated by the old polluting industries which are making climate change worse. Now, we can do much better than that. This is a resource rich country. We should follow 37 other countries, take some of the money from those resource riches, put it into a sovereign fund and make sure this country can be educated, wealthy and wise into the future. CHRIS UHLMANN: We're going to have to leave it there, thank you. BOB BROWN: Thanks, Chris. . |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 19th, 2011 at 12:29am Flying Binghi wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 12:12am:
jame-e, what do you mean by "carbon neutral" ? Quote:
China would buy all of Australia's coal mines if it could - it has already tried. Coal still has a bright future around the sensible parts of the world. . [/quote] CHINA HAS COAL SEEMS THAT WOULD BURN FOR ETERNITY :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( .... THEY'RE JUST A LITTLE BIT TOO YUCKY FOR STEEL PROCESSING !!!! |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 19th, 2011 at 12:31am
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 19th, 2011 at 12:31am
:D :D
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 19th, 2011 at 12:36am buzzanddidj wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 12:21am:
I THINK THIS IS WHY I ASKED TURNBULL TO PROMISE HE WOULD GO ANTINUCLEAR..... :o :o :o NO POSTIVES THERE... BUT HE IS AWARE THERE ARE VOTES IN IT- POTENTIALLY ATLEAST! ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 19th, 2011 at 12:37am
AND YOU ALL KNOW I AM DEFAULT LABOR! 8-)
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 19th, 2011 at 12:43am jame-e wrote on May 18th, 2011 at 11:39pm:
COAL IS going........ get used to the world turning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get used to it old people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ........................ beware the battery waste!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 19th, 2011 at 12:44am
Can Australia manufacture wind?
......... love the 'free' markets ..............................................! :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 19th, 2011 at 12:45am
....... who loves GLOBALISATION NOW?????????????????????????????! ::)
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Flying Binghi on May 19th, 2011 at 12:48pm
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Oh dear, poor Bumbling Bob is having a bad week.. :) "A major meltdown by Greens leader Bob Brown at his press conference this morning. His obsession and anger with “the Murdoch press” is unnerving. But he also lashed out at - or treated with disdain - Chris Uhlmann of the ABC, Andrew Probyn of the West Australian and..." continues - http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/brown_strain/ . |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by jame-e on May 19th, 2011 at 6:04pm Flying Binghi wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 12:12am:
Well if the big miners he is talking about are majority overseas owned, than some of that money would be heading overseas. I don't know about 'allot of that money', thats entirely relative. Watch the rest of the interview to gain a better understanding of what Bob Brown was trying to say. Quote:
Exactly what carbon neutral means. To me it means Trying to ensure our consumption does not add to the current volume of co2 in the atmosphere. And possibly in time trying to lower that volume. Maybe i underestimated, maybe the ultimate goal is to totally remove all anthropogenic carbon emissions, but i doubt it. Quote:
Even given your distortion in quoting: So you believe china to be sensible then? They are currently/will be trialing carbon trading schemes in various parts of their country. They have also clearly demonstrated an understanding that they need to alter their practices. In part due to the fact that they have severely depleted and poisoned their country, in part due to the possibility that they may infact be sensible. Do you somehow think that Bob Brown is unaware of the obvious? that people will continue to want and consume coal regardless of what he thinks or Australia does? |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by buzzanddidj on May 19th, 2011 at 6:22pm
NO ONE can deny the illigitimacy of "The Australian's" - so called - UteGate campaign, in "cahoots" with Malcolm Turnbull, in attempt to politically assassinate an elected Prime Minister
FAKE emails (supplied by Turnnbull) and all A DISGRACEFUL episode in this country's history Turnbull could have been PM, now, if he were not SO seduced by Rupert Murdoch (in the desert) So I GUESS i Brown .... ... is CORRECT - in his assessment |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Equitist on May 19th, 2011 at 6:32pm Actually, Buzz...I've been thinking that Turnbull was more co-target than co-conspirator in the Ute-gate campaign... The religious-righteous tools in the Lib machine - in cahoots with the media - was attempting to politically-assassinate Turnbull, whilst ostensibly-targetting Rudd... |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 19th, 2011 at 6:39pm Flying Binghi wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 12:48pm:
"...SHITE HAPPENS!" ;) |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by progressiveslol on May 19th, 2011 at 8:13pm buzzanddidj wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 6:22pm:
Turnbull is a real labor type. I hope he soes well with labor, I really do :P |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Flying Binghi on May 19th, 2011 at 9:39pm
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"So you believe china to be sensible then?" ...In certain matters - yes. "They are currently/will be trialing carbon trading schemes in various parts of their country." So they say.. ::) China also has Chinese made windpower and solar units doting the Chinese landscape - mainly paid for by by the wests carbon offset funds... smart people them Chinese.. and still they buy up coal mines.... "They have also clearly demonstrated an understanding that they need to alter their practices. In part due to the fact that they have severely depleted and poisoned their country..." As far as i can see that is correct - though i'd say dont confuse China's 'real polution' and environmental concerns with the greens climate hysteria concerns.. ;) "Do you somehow think that Bob Brown is unaware of the obvious?" .... :-? ...... ::) ............ ;D . |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by astro_surf on May 19th, 2011 at 10:01pm
Uhlmann is a denialist front bottom...
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Soren on May 19th, 2011 at 10:22pm astro_surf wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 10:01pm:
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by jame-e on May 19th, 2011 at 10:44pm Flying Binghi wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 9:39pm:
"So you believe china to be sensible then?" ...In certain matters - yes. "They are currently/will be trialing carbon trading schemes in various parts of their country." So they say.. ::) China also has Chinese made windpower and solar units doting the Chinese landscape - mainly paid for by by the wests carbon offset funds... smart people them Chinese.. and still they buy up coal mines.... "They have also clearly demonstrated an understanding that they need to alter their practices. In part due to the fact that they have severely depleted and poisoned their country..." As far as i can see that is correct - though i'd say dont confuse China's 'real polution' and environmental concerns with the greens climate hysteria concerns.. ;) "Do you somehow think that Bob Brown is unaware of the obvious?" .... :-? ...... ::) ............ ;D . [/quote] I'm starting to not understand your responses. How about we start again by you explaining how exactly Brown was destroyed, if indeed you think he was. I think he was challenged, it was far from destruction. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by jame-e on May 19th, 2011 at 10:46pm Soren wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 10:22pm:
Second that violin. Give Brown and all of our leaders the absolute worst possible from all angles. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by astro_surf on May 19th, 2011 at 10:56pm Soren wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 10:22pm:
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by astro_surf on May 19th, 2011 at 10:58pm jame-e wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 10:46pm:
I've got no problem with Uhlmann giving Brown "a hard time". I just think he's a denialist front bottoms. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Equitist on May 19th, 2011 at 11:02pm Here's a recent angle on Abbott... http://images.theage.com.au/2011/05/17/2368039/Kerrie_Leishman_Abbott-420x0.jpg |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by adelcrow on May 19th, 2011 at 11:09pm
Maybe the media will finally start questioning what this idiot says instead of being suckered into his constant whining.
Should make things more interesting if Abbott is held up to the light and examined for the next 2 yrs. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 19th, 2011 at 11:17pm astro_surf wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 10:58pm:
IF THAT'S A HARD TIME THEN I'M A HARD MAN ;D ;D :o |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by jame-e on May 19th, 2011 at 11:18pm astro_surf wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 10:58pm:
A 'denialist' can also be called a person, like you. Throwing stones can only result in suffering a cracked skull. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Soren on May 19th, 2011 at 11:20pm astro_surf wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 10:58pm:
Well, I think Brown and his acolytes are alarmist c**ts. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 19th, 2011 at 11:21pm adelcrow wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 11:09pm:
THE RACIST MEDIA SPREADS HATE AND PREPARES EVERYONE FOR THE NEXT WAR.... DIVIDED AND BROKEN PEOPLE NEED RETAIL THERAPY AND ON AND ON WE GO UNTIL PEAK OIL REMINDS US ALL HOW VACUOUS MATERIALISM IS!!!! NOW THAT HUMAN MEANS TRANSCEND ALL HUMAN MEASURE AND PILE UP WEALTH TO IMPOVERISH THE EARTH.... (APOLOGIES TO LES MURRAY!) |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by astro_surf on May 19th, 2011 at 11:26pm Soren wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 11:20pm:
Yes but you can't explain why, you just think that science is all lies because people whose politics you share told you that it is all just a big conspiracy and that out there, somewhere, there is evidence that AGW is all lies, yet you're unable to actually present said evidence. Funny that. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Soren on May 19th, 2011 at 11:27pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 11:21pm:
Apology is not accepted. Now human means Transcend all human measure And pile up wealth To impoverish the heart. All you fvckers worry about 'Gaia' yet your hearts are filled with sulky rancour. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Flying Binghi on May 19th, 2011 at 11:28pm
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by astro_surf on May 19th, 2011 at 11:30pm Soren wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 11:27pm:
Yeah, sorry, poetry is not evidence. Feel free to come back when you have some though! ;D |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 19th, 2011 at 11:36pm Soren wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 11:27pm:
:'( :'( :'( Harden up buddy! |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 19th, 2011 at 11:39pm astro_surf wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 11:30pm:
....of course not, but it's a gem of a poem if there ever were one! it's called 'THE MERCHANTS WHEEL' BY LES MURRAY, AN AUSTRALIAN POET! |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by jame-e on May 19th, 2011 at 11:40pm Flying Binghi wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 11:28pm:
I made no such claim. Quote:
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Fair enough, you just think the man is stupid. Can't argue really. I was actually trying to find evidence of BB's 'destruction'. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Soren on May 19th, 2011 at 11:40pm astro_surf wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 11:26pm:
CO2 is not the on/off switch for the climate. Many elements and interactions that make up 'climate' are not well understood. Attrributing causation of climate change to human CO2 is simply unprovable at present. The rest is politics. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by astro_surf on May 19th, 2011 at 11:46pm Soren wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 11:40pm:
It's one of them. Quote:
Many, huh? Such as? Quote:
No it's not. Empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming Quote:
Well, at least you admit it. For the rest of us it's about the science. But nothing you've said here comes close to constituting anything about anything, it's just you voicing some unfounded, unsubstantiated and untenable opinions based on your political leanings. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 19th, 2011 at 11:53pm Soren wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 11:40pm:
THIS IS OVERLY SIMPLISTIC! GOOD LUCK IN POLITICS MATE!! 8-) 8-) |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Flying Binghi on May 20th, 2011 at 10:09am
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"Destruction" ...nah, Bob Brown is a surviver... in fact in the 'hate Murdoch press' interview Bob implyed that he would work as leader of the greens well into his 80's... the girls must be pleased.. :) Yep, Bob Brown is the best leader of the Greens that we could wish for. Here's a reminder of some of his stella work - CHRIS UHLMANN: ..... How would you replace the $50 billion a year in export income which comes by way of coal - an industry that you'd shut down? BOB BROWN: Well, a lot of that money is bouncing straight back out to shareholders overseas. Now what we're... CHRIS UHLMANN: A lot of that money is circulating in the economy. It's creating job, Senator, it's bouncing through to our cities. BOB BROWN: Yes, Chris, and what we would do is take the advice of the Treasury of this nation and recoup the $145 billion over the next 10 years through a super profits tax. Tony Abbott says... CHRIS UHLMANN: But you can't recoup it if you shut the industry down. BOB BROWN: Treasury... CHRIS UHLMANN: If you shut the coal industry down there won't be that money... BOB BROWN: I'm sorry... http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2011/s3219517.htm May Bob live long at his job.. ;D . |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Flying Binghi on May 20th, 2011 at 10:12am
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by progressiveslol on May 20th, 2011 at 10:36am Flying Binghi wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 10:12am:
OMG there is actually a petition by loonies because their booby got asked the hard questions. I suggest they get out of politics, because it is a tough game when you have to answer questions on your own words and policies. What a bunch of cry babies. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by mozzaok on May 20th, 2011 at 10:47am
The point that Brown was destroyed, is a little extreme.
The fact that he was shown up as just another disingenuous politician, by refusing to admit to his role in forcing the introduction of the Carbon Tax, was what was the most damaging aspect of his performance, in my view.. If he believes in a Carbon Tax, he should have accepted responsibility, and sought to provide his reasoning for the scheme. Politics is tough, but we do deserve better, we do deserve some honesty, and I think the disappointment for many is that they thought the greens would be more likely to be honest. Apparently that is not always going to be the case. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by chicken_lipsforme on May 20th, 2011 at 11:42am Flying Binghi wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 10:09am:
Sorry I missed it, Brown came off looking a real goose after that. Brown should be happy though that it was announced yesterday that the Xstrata copper refinery in Townsville is to close in 2016, putting all out of work. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by longweekend58 on May 20th, 2011 at 11:57am
Brown the Clown is making the same mistake Gillard is doing. he spent most of his time attacking Abbott instead of supporting his position. When you start foccussing on your opponent like tha, you've already lost the debate - and the battle.
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by chicken_lipsforme on May 20th, 2011 at 12:18pm longweekend58 wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 11:57am:
And that happens when time and energy is spent in continually reinforcing failure. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by vegitamite on May 20th, 2011 at 1:08pm
Woo Hoo congrats guys, making the news ;
ps ~ and please sign the petition Petition hits ABC for shift to Right MORE than 1000 people have signed an online petition complaining about the ABC's political coverage, with many saying a tough interview by 7.30 anchor Chris Uhlmann with Greens leader Bob Brown is evidence of a lurch to the Right. The petition to "get the ABC back to its charter" appeared on a website owned by lobby group GetUp! some weeks ago. It says the ABC has become a "mouthpiece for political conservatives" and is "a sad version of (Rupert) Murdoch's Fox News". Many of the signatories say Uhlmann is the problem. Uhlmann pushed Senator Brown hard on Monday, as to whether he wanted to phase out the coal industry, and how he'd counter the associated loss of jobs, industry, investment, and income, if that were achieved. Uhlmann told The Australian he "approached Bob Brown the same way I approach any other politician, and that is to try to be devil's advocate. "I thought I gave him every opportunity to answer the questions, while trying to keep him on the point". One signatory to the petition said: "Chris Uhlmann interrupted Bob Brown on every question he tried to answer." Commentators on the OzPolitics blog disagreed, saying: "Bob Brown (was) destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on 7.30." http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/petition-hits-abc-for-shift-to-right/story-e6frg996-1226059241013 |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by creep on May 20th, 2011 at 1:12pm wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 1:08pm:
Oh the irony, a bunch of leftist rednecked nutters create a petition about their leader complaining that Brown was asked some hard questions rather than the normal marshmellows that have been thrown his way. Guess now Brown will stay only on the ABC! |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by vegitamite on May 20th, 2011 at 1:14pm creep wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 1:12pm:
It has alot to do with the 'style' of reporting and interviewing ... The petition has been running for weeks, maybe creep you could pop over and view the reasons and complaints |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by creep on May 20th, 2011 at 1:20pm wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 1:14pm:
Yes the ABC is well known for its bias, oh and style of reporting/interviewing. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by darkhall67 on May 20th, 2011 at 1:34pm
Has Anyone Used JuLIAR Yet?
As one of Australia’s silent majority, I would like to complain loudly and at length about the ABC and its non-stop diet of leftard propaganda. Although I can’t think of any actual examples of this now that Kerry O’Brien has left, I’m told that regular singalongs of ‘The Internationale’ are not uncommon during Insiders, and can only assume that this ingrained leftardedness is to blame for my very witty tweet combining the phrases ‘JuLIAR’, ‘Stop the Boats’ and ‘smacking left-wing front bottoms’ not getting a run during last week’s Q&A. I’m sure if Phillip Adams had tweeted exactly the same thing it would have been used. Assuming he could tear himself away from his basket-weaving and communism for one moment. http://twitter.com/politicalcorrectnessgonemad http://thescrivenersfancy.com/scarcely-relevant/2011/05/18/letters-at-the-editor.aspx |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by vegitamite on May 20th, 2011 at 1:44pm
Petition hits ABC for shift to Right
MORE than 1000 people have signed an online petition complaining about the ABC's political coverage, with many saying a tough interview by 7.30 anchor Chris Uhlmann with Greens leader Bob Brown is evidence of a lurch to the Right. The petition to "get the ABC back to its charter" appeared on a website owned by lobby group GetUp! some weeks ago. It says the ABC has become a "mouthpiece for political conservatives" and is "a sad version of (Rupert) Murdoch's Fox News". Many of the signatories say Uhlmann is the problem. Uhlmann pushed Senator Brown hard on Monday, as to whether he wanted to phase out the coal industry, and how he'd counter the associated loss of jobs, industry, investment, and income, if that were achieved. Uhlmann told The Australian he "approached Bob Brown the same way I approach any other politician, and that is to try to be devil's advocate. "I thought I gave him every opportunity to answer the questions, while trying to keep him on the point". One signatory to the petition said: "Chris Uhlmann interrupted Bob Brown on every question he tried to answer." Commentators on the OzPolitics blog disagreed, saying: "Bob Brown (was) destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on 7.30." Others thought Uhlmann had to go in hard, with one saying: "If the Tudors had listened to this kind of thing (phasing out the coal industry) then England would still be a sheep-infested shithole with a GDP of five sparrow farts and a giant turd." 7.30 executive producer Michael Carey said the program received "a good number" of calls about the interview, "just as we used to do, when Kerry O'Brien did a tough interview". Uhlmann said viewers "tend to watch an interview with their political goggles on. They see and hear what they want to see and hear. I had a fiery interview with Abbott not so long ago; in tone, they weren't that far apart". One letter on the 7.30 website said: "Again I found myself irritated by Chris Uhlmann's constant interrupting of his guest. It is not a dialogue, but more an opportunity for Uhlmann to impart his own (predictable) views." The petition yesterday topped the GetUp! "Hot list of popular topics, with more than 1000 signatures, and 530 comments". www.theaustralian.com.au/.../story-e6frg996-1226059241013 |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by bridonta on May 20th, 2011 at 1:48pm
go to court .. tough question will give the best outcome .. May be Brown is too dumb to answer those tough questions .. and 1000 green petition online .. ?? .. i bet they want to make Brown go back to kiddy ..
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by progressiveslol on May 20th, 2011 at 1:57pm
What is ABC doing being left anyway. Dont we all pay for the dam thing. Maybe they should be centre and nothing else.
I want my money back. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 20th, 2011 at 4:35pm wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 1:08pm:
HEY, WE MADE THE NEWS .................. MUM WILL BE SO PROUD!!! I CAN TELL HER TONIGHT! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) I TOLD HER I'D DO IT... ACTUALLY, I DON'T THINK I PARTICIPATED IN THAT THREAD DOH! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( UM, OH YES I DID.... I LAUGHED A LOT IN IT LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL ::) |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 20th, 2011 at 4:41pm mozzaok wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 10:47am:
DO WE DESERVE BETTER? THAT, MY FRIEND, IS THE QUESTION! ONLY VIRGINS ARE PURE!! 8-) :o :o :D |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by longweekend58 on May 20th, 2011 at 5:35pm wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 1:08pm:
That could be because Brown the Boob refused to answer the actual questions! |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Maeve on May 20th, 2011 at 5:45pm
It was because Brown did NOT have an answer to the questions once Uhlman pointed out that it was not a journalist from the Australian who was quoted, but Bob Brown himself writing about the closing down of the coal industry. It seems the Get Up mob can't seem to get their heads around valid questions. A case of dishing it out, but not able to take it.
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by jame-e on May 20th, 2011 at 8:28pm Flying Binghi wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 10:12am:
Another distortion Flyin_B. Along with your hollow quotes from the interview. Given that your only focus is on attacking the man, can you explain why? |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by jame-e on May 20th, 2011 at 8:30pm mozzaok wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 10:47am:
Interesting point. In your view, how did BBrown force the government into introducing a carbon tax? |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by jame-e on May 20th, 2011 at 8:33pm Maeve wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 5:45pm:
Can you please quote, at some length, BBrown on his belief that the coal industry should be shut down? The way i see it, its not as simple as that. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by longweekend58 on May 21st, 2011 at 11:58am jame-e wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 8:30pm:
pretty easy. the govt needs EVERY VOTE and the greens have one. plus Greens have balance of power shortly. was that too hard for you to understand? |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by longweekend58 on May 21st, 2011 at 11:58am jame-e wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 8:33pm:
the way you see it is delusional. the Greens have as par of their policy platform the total elimination of the coal industry. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by progressiveslol on May 21st, 2011 at 2:39pm jame-e wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 8:33pm:
Greens policy Mining and Mineral Exploration 35.oppose the establishment of new coal mines and the expansion of existing mines That = dead coal mines. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by nairbe on May 21st, 2011 at 2:55pm
Poor old Bob, i am sure he is an intelligent person but he really does come across as a dope.
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Flying Binghi on May 21st, 2011 at 7:52pm
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"...Commentators on the OzPolitics blog disagreed, saying: "Bob Brown (was) destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on 7.30."..." http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/petition-hits-abc-for-shift-to-right/story-e6frg996-1226059241013 Quote:
"...Another distortion Flyin_B..." .. :-? ..errr, jame-e. The quote i provided is directly from the newspaper - how did i distort it ? "Given that your only focus is on attacking the man, can you explain why?" Hmmm, tell me more jame-e, why do you think my "only focus" is "attacking the man" ..... :-? . |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by jame-e on May 21st, 2011 at 9:31pm longweekend58 wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 11:58am:
About as hard as my understanding of the last election. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by jame-e on May 21st, 2011 at 9:31pm longweekend58 wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 11:58am:
OK. Again, its not as simple as that. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by jame-e on May 21st, 2011 at 9:31pm progressiveslol wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 2:39pm:
There are plenty of dead coal mines. If by dead you mean exhausted/unprofitable. The greens are aiming to remove the need for coal mines. Making them unprofitable. Economics. I do not necessarily agree with green policy in this area, but for someone to misunderstand/misrepresent it so profoundly is laughable. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by jame-e on May 21st, 2011 at 9:38pm Flying Binghi wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 7:52pm:
You didn't. But the quote would indicate that ozpol thinks that BB was destroyed. A distortion. Flying Binghi wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 7:52pm:
You have not critiqued greens policy in any substantial way. You agree that BB was not destroyed. Why have you posted? |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Equitist on May 21st, 2011 at 9:58pm Anyone who has any doubts about the impacts of human beings on our dynamic planet's natural systems, should spend just a few minutes on Google Maps (or Google Earth)... Start here: http://maps.google.com.au/maps - then zoom in a few times, around major population centres and regional, rural and outback places alike... Once you've had a broad overview of each of these areas, zoom further and further in - to the point where the patterns of man-made geometry dominate over the natural topography... One thing that you will notice, is that most of the native East Coast vegetation has been decimated but that there are still pockets of dense forest - albeit juxtaposed to monocultures, housing developments, industrial precincts and quarries... Start at Queensland, move through NSW and then focus for a while on Victoria and SA - especially those areas which are at the tail-end of the now-toxic Murray Darling system... Then move over to WA and back up to the NT... Be sure to dwell on the scars on the landscape over the 100 to 200-odd km radius around where you currently live... This incredible amount of damage has been done in less than 250 years by a measly population which has not long risen above 20 million... Now imagine that repeated across the globe - especially in the more densely-populated so-called 'Western World' - but also in those other places which have become the defacto quarries, foodbowls and factories that provide so much to material 'junk' to support the obscene lifestyles of the individualistic peoples who wantonly consume 20-30 times their fair share of the world's resources...at the enormous expense of current and future generations... |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 21st, 2011 at 9:59pm jame-e wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 9:38pm:
=full marks! ;) |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Flying Binghi on May 21st, 2011 at 10:00pm
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"...Commentators on the OzPolitics blog disagreed, saying: "Bob Brown (was) destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on 7.30."..." http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/petition-hits-abc-for-shift-to-right/story-e6frg996-1226059241013 Quote:
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Flying Binghi on May 21st, 2011 at 10:07pm
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Equitist on May 21st, 2011 at 10:16pm Cheers, Binghi! Meantime, here's a map of the area where our old virtual friend Imp said he lived... Hopefully, it will be of sufficiently-high resolution for everyone to note the geometric scars on the landscape - juxtaposed amongst a few pockets of densely-vegetated reserve...  Dubbo_Google_Map.JPG (139 KB | 45
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 21st, 2011 at 10:20pm Flying Binghi wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 10:07pm:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1202098727 :o :o |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by jame-e on May 21st, 2011 at 10:27pm Flying Binghi wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 10:00pm:
Fair enough, i did miss 'commentators'. But you posted the quote. A quote that has no substance and does distort within the piece. If you still take issue, i can go back and demonstrate some of your distortion. Flying Binghi wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 10:00pm:
Yes, why have you posted jame-e.. ;) [/quote] 'Is this thread about greens policy'? This thread could be about anything. I have posted because i disagree with the title. Why have you posted? |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Equitist on May 21st, 2011 at 10:28pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 10:20pm:
Hmmnnn....interesting.... |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Flying Binghi on May 21st, 2011 at 11:08pm
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Heh, the post Uhlmann and Murdoch hate interviews hysteria continues... "In a series of tweets yesterday, Senator Brown's director of media, Marion Rae, attacked members of the Canberra press gallery personally, while also saying newspapers in which her boss appeared and even wrote for were good for soaking up cat pee. She posted a photograph of The Australian's James Massola, with the caption: "There's a hypertroll outside the window." Of the ABC's Chris Uhlmann, she said: "Some are born great, some become great and others have talented wives, eh mate?" Uhlmann's wife is the ALP MP for Canberra, Gai Brodtmann..." . Meanwhile, Bob Brown in an attempt to divert attention from the incompetance he showed during the Uhlmann interview... "Senator Brown himself has tweeted: "I'm enjoying sparking debate about the media's role. It's important for our democracy. Join in!" http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/brown-staffers-join-the-media-war/story-fn59niix-1226059924938 ........... :) . |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 21st, 2011 at 11:35pm
More Mark Diesendorf: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1303744502
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Flying Binghi on May 22nd, 2011 at 12:00am
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"demonstrate some of your distortion" please do jame-e, we been wandering around the padock fer a while now, lets not stop now.. :) Quote:
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by progressiveslol on May 22nd, 2011 at 12:14am jame-e wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 9:31pm:
I kept it simple enough for you, but that would seem beyond you. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Equitist on May 22nd, 2011 at 12:15am Not to worry, folks - the doGmatists of the Liberal Party will come to the rescue - they're generally very good at sing the praises of fossil fools from the same toxic hymn sheet... http://antinuclear.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/liberal-choir.gif?w=300&h=209 |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Flying Binghi on May 22nd, 2011 at 1:03pm
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Yes, Bob Brown would like to close down the coal mines then put a super profits tax on the coal mines to pay fer what-ever fantasy he thinks will power Oz.. ;D ...CHRIS UHLMANN: ....How would you replace the $50 billion a year in export income which comes by way of coal - an industry that you'd shut down? BOB BROWN: Well, a lot of that money is bouncing straight back out to shareholders overseas. Now what we're... CHRIS UHLMANN: A lot of that money is circulating in the economy. It's creating jobs, Senator, it's bouncing through to our cities. BOB BROWN: Yes, Chris, and what we would do is take the advice of the Treasury of this nation and recoup the $145 billion over the next 10 years through a super profits tax. Tony Abbott says... CHRIS UHLMANN: But you can't recoup it if you shut the industry down. BOB BROWN: Treasury... CHRIS UHLMANN: If you shut the coal industry down there won't be that money... BOB BROWN: I'm sorry... http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2011/s3219517.htm ...... :-?.............................. ;D . |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by jame-e on May 22nd, 2011 at 4:13pm Flying Binghi wrote on May 22nd, 2011 at 1:03pm:
Very good. You can play make believe. I find it quit hard myself. I posted because i did not like the title. Why have you posted? So does Equitist know something i don't? Or does Flyin_B think every man is equal ;-) |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Flying Binghi on May 22nd, 2011 at 7:14pm Quote:
....and so ends the wandering around the padock.. :) . |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Equitist on May 22nd, 2011 at 8:01pm I dunno what's going on - and I'm definitely not in on the the little power games that have been playing out herein... |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Flying Binghi on May 22nd, 2011 at 8:17pm Quote:
Got me wondering now Equitest.. :-? my previous comment were noteing the non reply to this - "demonstrate some of your distortion" please do jame-e, we been wandering around the padock fer a while, lets not stop now. .....sunday night trivia persuit.. :) . |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by jame-e on May 22nd, 2011 at 10:29pm Flying Binghi wrote on May 22nd, 2011 at 1:03pm:
I would say that is a distortion. Am i wrong? I like paddocks. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Flying Binghi on May 22nd, 2011 at 11:07pm
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Yes, Bob Brown would like to close down the coal mines then put a super profits tax on the coal mines to pay fer what-ever fantasy he thinks will power Oz.. Quote:
...oh, so its coal mining business as usual ?.. :-? ...CHRIS UHLMANN: ....How would you replace the $50 billion a year in export income which comes by way of coal - an industry that you'd shut down? BOB BROWN: Well, a lot of that money is bouncing straight back out to shareholders overseas. Now what we're... CHRIS UHLMANN: A lot of that money is circulating in the economy. It's creating jobs, Senator, it's bouncing through to our cities. BOB BROWN: Yes, Chris, and what we would do is take the advice of the Treasury of this nation and recoup the $145 billion over the next 10 years through a super profits tax. Tony Abbott says... CHRIS UHLMANN: But you can't recoup it if you shut the industry down. BOB BROWN: Treasury... CHRIS UHLMANN: If you shut the coal industry down there won't be that money... BOB BROWN: I'm sorry... http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2011/s3219517.htm . |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by vegitamite on May 23rd, 2011 at 10:07am
'http://thefailedestate.blogspot.com/2011/05/journalistic-principle.html
.....The intention appears to be to create a more low-to-middle brow Nine Network-lookalike that focuses on car crashes and crime and, in terms of politics, old fashioned adversarialism for its own sake. Look at the rebadged '7.30', which this year cast aside the crumpled but substantial Kerry O'Brien for the rather more marketable Leigh Sales and her sidekick, political correspondent Chris Uhlmann. It was the latter who this past week trumpeted his 'interview' with Bob Brown, full of warmed over Murdoch talking points, as an accountability exercise. The whole interview (in which Uhlmann hardly let his subject answer a question) was based on a misrepresentation - that Brown wants the coal industry shut down overnight. Responding to criticism by viewers that he had not let Brown get a word in edgeways amid his hysterical interjections, Uhlmann's response was that the Greens leader needed to "harden up" (a phrase that would have sounded appropriate coming out of the mouth of Tony Abbott, a politician much closer to real power and one whom he incidentally had given an armchair ride to in an interview the week before). The sad truth is the louder journalists thunder from their bully pulpits about accountability and the public's 'right to know', the less savoury are their their real motivations. Scratch a little below the surface and you will find the grandstanding is really about a need to generate hits and ratings or attract eyeballs in an increasingly competitive marketplace. It's about branding themselves as players in the political game. It's about impressing their bosses or their fellow journalists. It almost always has nothing to do with the wider public good. And the most telling evidence of this self-interested pantomime is that journalists themselves cannot bear the slightest scrutiny of their own behaviour without squealing like stuck pigs. http://thefailedestate.blogspot.com/2011/05/journalistic-principle.html Sad when you can not tell the difference between the ABC Headlines and Journalistic reporting , and ACA ( or today tonight ) or commerical sensationalistic rubbish in which is the road the ABC seems to be going down. The point to this whole topic is Uhlmann showed this in his interview with Brown when he made the question more important than the answer, why? When did the question become more important than the answer. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by cods on May 23rd, 2011 at 10:19am
hi veg.. long time no see.. trust you are well..
I understand that Getup is haveing a go at the ABC for allowing Uhlmann free reign to ask what questions he liked... they should have vetted him. so to speak..ha,ha, GETUP>. give me a break. the question wasnt more important than the answer.... the fact was he got no answers. its easy to turn things around and say they are un fair.. when you see you own side sqirming which is what happened.. but had he done the same to Abbott he would have been a star... and thats the point..its time we had an interviewer who didnt pull punches depending on which party he had sitting in front of him.. Kerry would interrupt a Lib left right and centre make them look real fools who couldnt answer a question... it wasnt untill the end of his era. that he began to lose patients with his own side and stop them rattling on forever. which was the case for years.. gillard was famous for giving the same answer to every question..and he let her get away with it..at first..lol.. I for one am happy to see the greens being confronted with their actions and the extent that they are doing harm to this nation.. its been a long time coming but you cant have all that POWER and not have the responsibility that goes with it.. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by mavisdavis on May 23rd, 2011 at 10:32am
Bob Brown really was destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30.
No amount of spin silly will ever change the fact. :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Maeve on May 23rd, 2011 at 3:12pm
The simple fact of the matter is that Chris Uhlman proved Bob Brown to be a liar and an idiot with no understanding of what is necessary in government.
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by vegitamite on May 23rd, 2011 at 3:37pm cods wrote on May 23rd, 2011 at 10:19am:
Hi cods, I could be better, few problems, hence I will copy a reply from a comment that sums up pretty well my answer ; ;) written by Bushfire Bill, Penberthy doesn’t get it about Uhlmann. It wasn’t the interview questions so much as the rudeness and the hectoring that put people off. I realise they only have a fixed, limited time to get the interview done, but that doesn’t mean they have to cram a lifetime’s worth of gotchas into 5 minutes. Not having paid much attention to Brown’s position on the coal industry, I was interested to find out more. Listening to that interview did not achieve that end. All I came away with was a combination angry/frustrated feeling that Uhlmann’s virulent style had wrecked yet another chance to inform the public. On the most basic level, when two people are talking over each other and the camera’s only on one of them, it’s virtually impossible to comprehend either of the speakers’ words, the one attacking or the one defending. But Fox News has a stock market program where each raving looney gets a window tiled within the image space. You can see all 9 of them shouting at each other, but that doesn’t work either. The only solution is to ask questions and then let the interviewee answer them, as Tony Jones did with Malcolm Turnbull. It was a textbook case of polite, but persistent interrogation and how coaxing out an answer from a reluctant interviewee can be achieved. Smart-arsed gotchas don’t cut it, from either a technical or a social angle, especially from one so un-telegenic as Uhlmann who most definitely has an overly trumped up view of himself as kingmaker, and breaker. Indeed, the very idea that interviews have to be punchy and aggressive in order to pass as “worthwhile”, that the interviewee is there always to be hoisted on his own petard, hung by his own words in a very public execution, to my mind is wrong. all you end up with from this approach is an interviewer with a certain gift for thinking on his feet ripping to some hapless bod who’s volunteered for the slaughter. Very often (and Red Kerry used to do this a lot, too, towards the end) we see the interviewer pointing fingers, accusing, lecturing and hectoring the poor sod opposite. the interview becomes about the interviewer, not the subject matter at hand. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by vegitamite on May 23rd, 2011 at 6:32pm
seem Uhlmann style has scared off both Greg Hunt AND Barnaby Joyce from tonights 7.30 report. both have dropped out and cancelled after the climate change report..or are they just gutless ?
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by cods on May 23rd, 2011 at 6:45pm wrote on May 23rd, 2011 at 6:32pm:
veggie now you have some idea what the right has complained about for years with Kerry OBriens style... you probably thought he did a good job on them... but when the boots on the other foot its not quite the same... yes let them answer something Kerry never did..only if it was a big gun and then he could still be nasty.. I havent had a good look at Uhlmann yet so cant really say.. however he does like an answer.. not another oh well its the media.. as Uhlmann pointed out he said it.... like it or not brown is trying to turn the media into the vampire.. how dare you ask too hard questions.. he knew he would create a headline and thats what he wanted he didnt want anyone looking too deep into how he reacted...lol.. veg you have to admit.. brown has flown under the radar for so long... and now he has to face reality... he is having an effect on our everyday lives.. this isnt about a tree or a whale..this is you and me.. it will effect each and everyone of us.. yet with still no evidence that it will change a bloody thing and that annoys me.. if someone was going to cut off both my legs because they thought it would help me to live longer....... I would appreciate them discussing it with me first.. I think I should have a say in it.. and if I wish to listen to a second or third opinion... I think I should be able to do that without being cursed into oblivion.. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by mavisdavis on May 23rd, 2011 at 7:23pm
BB has simply reiterated the fact that he's a second class charlatan.
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by jame-e on May 23rd, 2011 at 8:24pm Flying Binghi wrote on May 22nd, 2011 at 11:07pm:
Im glad you know how to re-quote, otherwise i might suspect you had something to say. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by jame-e on May 23rd, 2011 at 8:24pm Maeve wrote on May 23rd, 2011 at 3:12pm:
How? |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by jame-e on May 23rd, 2011 at 8:25pm cods wrote on May 23rd, 2011 at 10:19am:
Can you remember an instance when Kerry was unfair to a Lib, or a lab. A quote maybe? For me, the fact that the interview involved BBrown holds little relevance. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Flying Binghi on May 23rd, 2011 at 8:38pm
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So true.. :) Direct Question - "So you want to phase out the coal industry ?" Answer - "The world is going to do that...blah, blah, blah..." .... ::) CHRIS UHLMANN: Didn't you say back in 2007 that we had to kick the coal habit? BOB BROWN: No, I did not. You're looking at the Murdoch press, where I said back in 2007 we should look at coal exports with a view to phasing them out down the line. CHRIS UHLMANN: It wasn't the Murdoch press, it was a comment piece that you wrote. So you want to phase out the coal industry? BOB BROWN: The world is going to do that because it is causing massive economic damage down the line through the impact of climate change. CHRIS UHLMANN: But the question- BOB BROWN: No, let me... http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2011/s3219517.htm . |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Flying Binghi on May 23rd, 2011 at 8:46pm
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And in other news of muppets blaming Murdoch... Heh, looks like Al Gore might be panicking about the collapse of his carbon trading empire.. :) "Al Gore hits out at Rupert Murdoch's News Corp Former US vice-president Al Gore has hit out at Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation, accusing it of "an abuse of power" by forcing his liberal TV station off air in Italy because it did not fit in with the media giant's "ideological agenda"...." http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/may/19/al-gore-rupert-mudoch-news-corp |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Grey on May 24th, 2011 at 1:03am |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by progressiveslol on May 24th, 2011 at 1:16am Grey wrote on May 24th, 2011 at 1:03am:
You must have been watching something else. There was no destroying at all at what they have on ABC and if science strikes back, then it was an ant. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 24th, 2011 at 2:06am wrote on May 23rd, 2011 at 6:32pm:
Forget Barnaby: get Bob Katter on! ;) |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by cods on May 24th, 2011 at 9:20am Grey wrote on May 24th, 2011 at 1:03am:
Tim Flannery has a cause to support he is hardly an independent unbiased commentator is he? |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by mavisdavis on May 24th, 2011 at 9:30am wrote on May 23rd, 2011 at 6:32pm:
WTF??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by mavisdavis on May 24th, 2011 at 9:32am Grey wrote on May 24th, 2011 at 1:03am:
Science? Flanery said nothing. |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 24th, 2011 at 9:42am mavisdavis wrote on May 24th, 2011 at 9:32am:
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT SCIENCE IS! ::) |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Flying Binghi on May 24th, 2011 at 10:30am
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LONG LIFE TO BOB BROWN... CHRIS UHLMANN: Didn't you say back in 2007 that we had to kick the coal habit? BOB BROWN: No, I did not. You're looking at the Murdoch press, where I said back in 2007 we should look at coal exports with a view to phasing them out down the line. CHRIS UHLMANN: It wasn't the Murdoch press, it was a comment piece that you wrote. So you want to phase out the coal industry? BOB BROWN: The world is going to do that because it is causing massive economic damage down the line through the impact of climate change. CHRIS UHLMANN: But the question- BOB BROWN: No, let me... http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2011/s3219517.htm LONG LIFE TO BOB BROWN.... Not if the girls get their way.. ;D "THE Greens have demanded a ban on the development of any new coalmines and coal-seam gas facilities, hardening their rhetoric on climate change... ...the Greens would like to go to 100 per cent renewable energy immediately..." http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/greens-call-for-coalmines-ban-pits-them-against-pm/story-fn59niix-1226061455448i . |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Grey on May 24th, 2011 at 11:08am cods wrote on May 24th, 2011 at 9:20am:
The same can be said of Bob Brown, what's your point? |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by mavisdavis on May 24th, 2011 at 1:24pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 24th, 2011 at 9:42am:
Flaneley said nothing of any import during the entire interview. To say that he destroyed Uhlmann, is on the silly side of stupid. Furthermore, to state that I know nothing about science is false. I know that your daddy made love to a little test tube, when you were unconvincingly conceived. ;) |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Flying Binghi on May 24th, 2011 at 6:04pm
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Greens hit PANIC STATIONS ! or is that just panic.. ;) "The Greens have launched another strike against the media, calling for volunteers for a rapid-response team to target “shock jock” and “hate campaigns” through talkback and letters to editors. The call to action echoes Bob Brown’s attack on the “hate press” last week and Twitter jibes at individual journalists from his director of media, Marion Rae. “The Australian Greens are looking to build a national network of individuals who want to take up the challenge of responding to the misinformation and hate campaigns being waged by radio shock jocks and other sections of the community and media,” says the party in an email. The party calls the task “critical work”...." h/t - http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/incoming1/ Bit handy fer Labor that ABC interview. i wonders if Bob Carr on the greens hit list.. :-? Via Bob Carr - "I have campaigned to persuade journalists to treat the Green Party like any other political party. This is now happening. Witness Chris Uhlmann in his interview with Bob Brown on ABC 1’s 7:30..." Who is Bob Carr "As Premier he introduced the world’s first carbon trading scheme... He was a member of the International Task Force on Climate Change convened by Tony Blair, and was made a life member of the Wilderness Society in 2003...." . |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by Deathridesahorse on May 24th, 2011 at 7:33pm mavisdavis wrote on May 24th, 2011 at 1:24pm:
YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT SCIENCE!!! :D :D |
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Title: Re: Bob Brown destroyed by Chris Uhlmann on ABC's 7.30 Post by progressiveslol on May 24th, 2011 at 7:39pm Flying Binghi wrote on May 24th, 2011 at 6:04pm:
Bring it on Bob and the extremes. You do what you say you are going to do and im going active. Yehaa we have ourselves a mini war against Australia's extremists. |
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