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Title: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by freediver on May 14^th, 2011 at 9:25pm

This is gold, from Soren defending Tony Abbott's misrepresentation of Tim Flannery:

Soren wrote on May 14^th, 2011 at 8:02pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 14^th, 2011 at 6:20pm:

Bolt and Abbott hardly have the credibility to be having a go at anyone. Both of them are nothing but self serving fear mongers who get their energy from whipping up fear and hatred in the vunerable, uneducated and ignorant.

That is the incisive analysis we have come to expect from you and other proles parading their arts degrees.

Why the bugger do we have still soooo many ignorant and uneducated people, as you put it, even though education at every level has been Whitlamite for 40 years??? Leftist morons captured the education system a long time ago. WHy are they churning out semi-literates?

We all know the answer.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Soren on May 16^th, 2011 at 9:14pm

An extremely popular thread, FD. Thank you.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by ozziecynic on May 17^th, 2011 at 5:45pm

For the last 40 yrs infact! Oh Liberals are technically lefties as well just ask any american for clues. A Neoconservative is right of centre and fascist is right wing these categories are accurate liberals are NOT rightwingers they are free traders yes but freetraders are NOT rightwingers!.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by longweekend58 on May 17^th, 2011 at 6:01pm

Lefites have taken over education? Seriously, is this supposed to be news? the Education Department and UNion are the most left-wing ones around besides the Building Unions and waterfront.

the popularity of private education is primarily because of the Education Union and is solid left-wing, anit-Christian agenda.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by freediver on May 17^th, 2011 at 6:49pm

Hence the prayers in schools?

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by ozziecynic on May 17^th, 2011 at 9:19pm

[edit]Hence the prayers in schools? [/edit]
Where are you located in Aus? I am NSW there have always been non compulsory scripture classes here no big deal!.The point is though its tertiary education where the progressive/lefties have really dug in their heels and socially engineered things, i believe the philosophy is called the "Frankfurt School" its the source for most of the political correctness and affirmative action ideas in Unis and other institutions.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by dsmithy70 on May 17^th, 2011 at 9:55pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 17^th, 2011 at 6:01pm:

And who was part of that radical union & ran the country for 11 years?
Janett Howard.
Bloody lefties :D

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by life_goes_on on May 17^th, 2011 at 10:02pm

I worked with curriculum developers (tertiary) for a few years.
About a third were lefties, about a third were righties and the other third I have no idea - they were all over the place.

Pretty much the same as the overall population.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by freediver on May 17^th, 2011 at 10:14pm

Just because they are more intelligent does not automatically mean they are lefties.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by dsmithy70 on May 17^th, 2011 at 10:29pm

In all seriousness, I really don't think that ones political leanings has anything to do with educational achievement.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Soren on May 18^th, 2011 at 12:20am

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2011 at 10:14pm:

Just because they are more intelligent does not automatically mean they are lefties.

Indeed. As a matter of fact, increased intelligence and the possibility of being a lefty is a textbook example of an 'inverse relationship'.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Lisa on May 18^th, 2011 at 12:36am

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 12:20am:

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2011 at 10:14pm:

Just because they are more intelligent does not automatically mean they are lefties.

Indeed. As a matter of fact, increased intelligence and the possibility of being a lefty is textbook example of an 'inverse relationship'.

LOL!

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by stryder110011 on May 18^th, 2011 at 12:55am

Quote:

lefties have taken over education

Thats nothing new, It common knowledge that the left has its tentacles all over education all the way to the halls of academia.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Soren on May 18^th, 2011 at 12:58am

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 17^th, 2011 at 9:55pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 17^th, 2011 at 6:01pm:

And who was part of that radical union & ran the country for 11 years?

Bloody lefties :D

Well, in NSW it has been 16 years!! Just threw them off!!!

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by longweekend58 on May 18^th, 2011 at 9:19am

Life_goes_on wrote on May 17^th, 2011 at 10:02pm:

not at all really. genuine lefties are a smal minority of the australian political spectrum.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by longweekend58 on May 18^th, 2011 at 9:21am

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 17^th, 2011 at 10:29pm:

In all seriousness, I really don't think that ones political leanings has anything to do with educational achievement.

In all seriousness I cant believe you think that. if you are talking about your PERSONAL leanings then yes, you are correct b ut not if you are referring to the educators themselves. students are flooding to the private sectors in large part because ot the political ideology (left-wing) of public schools.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by WESLEY.PIPES on May 18^th, 2011 at 10:25am

Life_goes_on wrote on May 17^th, 2011 at 10:02pm:

The proportions entering uni would be about that, but the differnce is that 'righties' move on to real jobs when their degree is finished, while 'lefties' stay on at uni for year after year after year, as a) they don't actually learn anything useful in their airy-fairy arts degrees, b) they are too scared to venture out into the real world and c) they can spread their ideologies to impressionable youth by stryaing on as a tutor or lecturer.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Soren on May 18^th, 2011 at 11:00am

Life_goes_on wrote on May 17^th, 2011 at 10:02pm:

Not so. There are studies going back to the '70s showing that an overwhelming majority of academics are lefties, especially in the humanities, such as education (8 to 10 lefties for every normal one). ALso, education and the public service remains more unionised than perhaps any other area.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics Adult Literacy and Life Skills Survey (2008) found that 44 per cent of Australia's working-age population had literacy skills below the standard required to operate effectively in the modern knowledge-based economy.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by dsmithy70 on May 18^th, 2011 at 11:26am

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 9:21am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 17^th, 2011 at 10:29pm:

In all seriousness, I really don't think that ones political leanings has anything to do with educational achievement.

BULLSH!T private(religious) education is getting flooded by students because of the perception of better discipline & better morals.
It's why I spend nearly 12K a year, nothing to do with "Leftie" educators more to do with the fact that disruptive students rule the roost to the detriment of all others.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by WESLEY.PIPES on May 18^th, 2011 at 11:29am

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 11:26am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 9:21am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 17^th, 2011 at 10:29pm:

In all seriousness, I really don't think that ones political leanings has anything to do with educational achievement.

Which is a consequence of the leftys 'no discipline as it could harm the poor dears self esteem' approach.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by dsmithy70 on May 18^th, 2011 at 11:51am

... wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 11:29am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 11:26am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 9:21am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 17^th, 2011 at 10:29pm:

In all seriousness, I really don't think that ones political leanings has anything to do with educational achievement.

Which is a consequence of the leftys 'no discipline as it could harm the poor dears self esteem' approach.

lefties or psychologists creating work?

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Soren on May 18^th, 2011 at 11:52am

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 11:26am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 9:21am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 17^th, 2011 at 10:29pm:

In all seriousness, I really don't think that ones political leanings has anything to do with educational achievement.

Permitting the dregs to disrupt and go unchecked IS a lefty stance.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by WESLEY.PIPES on May 18^th, 2011 at 11:55am

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 11:51am:

... wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 11:29am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 11:26am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 9:21am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 17^th, 2011 at 10:29pm:

In all seriousness, I really don't think that ones political leanings has anything to do with educational achievement.

Which is a consequence of the leftys 'no discipline as it could harm the poor dears self esteem' approach.

lefties or psychologists creating work?

psychology - now THERES a lefty profession if ever there was one.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Time on May 18^th, 2011 at 12:20pm

... wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 10:25am:

Life_goes_on wrote on May 17^th, 2011 at 10:02pm:

The subject matter in Arts degrees underpins a lot the debates found in politics and journalism. Even 'rightist' viewpoints are taught in university. The classical liberal philosophers are still taught. Machiavelli and Nietzsche are taught, both would be considered more right than left.
It is a fallacy to claim the Arts has no practical application and that no one learns anything.
Speak to any politician or media commentator and 99.9% of the time their views can be traced back to a thinker from the Arts.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Jasignature on May 18^th, 2011 at 12:21pm

Yes, but you all forget the major point of the argument.
America, in the name of the West, are the Achievers ...hence the President.
Australia, in the name of the West, are the Breeders ...hence Shazza at 42 Eucalyptus Dr with her 15 kids to a number of Fathers who work pleb jobs for the Union Jack.

USA: Politics = Power / Art = Population
AUST: Politics = Population / Art = Power

...simple equation. ;)

Sorry any Education run by 'any' Govt from a Political point of view will either be defunct for the Breeders or in denial for the Achievers based upon 'overseas' agendas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5YG5f38MPo

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Time on May 18^th, 2011 at 12:30pm

If 'righties', like those you find on internet forums, were in control of education, all you'd get is theories on how to whinge about Muslims/homosexuals/Abo's etc.

An intelligent right leaning thinker is hard to come by. Most think complaining about things actually constitutes intelligence. Even 4 year olds can sit around whingeing about what offends their sensitivites.

It's a real shame that there aren't that many intelligent rightists around because it's good for discussion. And, I actually have some sympathies with their views.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by dsmithy70 on May 18^th, 2011 at 12:44pm

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 12:21pm:

Keep that sort of thinking up Jas & you WILL become an internet god like
Light & Karnal ;)

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Jasignature on May 18^th, 2011 at 12:50pm

Well funny you should say that "Shmidty",
But Australia's Political Future is nothing more than a Breeding pattern and any edu-ma-kashon that goes with it is a Co-Educational "stimulus" package behind the toilet blocks.
If you want Political EMPOWERMENT - then I suggest you SELL OUT to the USA and its European colony known as the UK.

Go on then, go to the USA and UK and say how "Aussie as" you are upon 'their' shores for the mighty $$chinga.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by ozziecynic on May 18^th, 2011 at 1:47pm

Quote:

Just because they are more intelligent does not automatically mean they are lefties.

For the record i didnt start calling pple lefties in this thread or forum.
I much prefer the terms liberals/progressives its more relevant to describe these attitudes and pple here in Aus. The term Leftie just like rightwinger has zilch meaning these days. Its those with their utes and dogs which love to label and stereotype anyone or anything they dont understand i simply use your terminology to attempt to empathise with the ockers here thats about it. I am in agreement with you in as much as i think lefties is over used and used incorrectly.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by ozziecynic on May 18^th, 2011 at 2:06pm

Quote:

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As with most things in Australia i find it depends on where you are located. The scene sydeny NSW would far different to QLD or even many regional centres of NSW. Those progressives in sydney are not like those in say QLD or WA in those states they tend to be more conservative according to their state culture anyway.
Theres no sure way you can claims its the same picture form state to state region to region, Australia is very variable!. There are those that believe QLD universties or schools are well below the standard of NSW universities especially Unis like UNSW, Sydney Uni, or UTS for example.
I mean for example you can get into many Business degress at Griffith Uni Qld for UAI of of just 70 a credit whereas in Sydney you need 85 plus, thus high distinction to get into the same Degree real or percieved the standards and the attitudes are quite different in Sydney society, thus the politics is different, Australians are parochial they just dont travel enough.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by ozziecynic on May 18^th, 2011 at 2:18pm

Quote:

don't actually learn anything useful in their airy-fairy arts degrees, b) they are too scared to venture out into the real world and c) they can spread their ideologies to impressionable youth by stryaing on as a tutor or lecturer.

Nope, Arts degree are some pples only avenue into university and better ed thus life your assumption is flawed and I take offense as I am former B Arts student myself. One does usually have to know exaclty what they attempting to achieve if they take on such a degree usually its only stepping stone to straight degree in what ever field!.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by WESLEY.PIPES on May 18^th, 2011 at 2:26pm

ozziecynic wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 2:18pm:

Quote:

Degrees like communications, philosophy, sociology, art history etc are not worth the paper they are printed on. They are just an excuse for people to live the uni life and avoid getting a job for a few years.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by ozziecynic on May 18^th, 2011 at 2:36pm

:D Err whatever you say fool! How about i just ignore you form this point on.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by darkhall67 on May 18^th, 2011 at 3:04pm

... wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 2:26pm:

ozziecynic wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 2:18pm:

Quote:

Phark it's sad to see people who think that getting an education is only about getting a job.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by WESLEY.PIPES on May 18^th, 2011 at 3:29pm

darkhall67 wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 3:04pm:

... wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 2:26pm:

ozziecynic wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 2:18pm:

Quote:

Phark it's sad to see people who think that getting an education is only about getting a job.

Who said that? It's also about getting wasted and having lotsa sex.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by muso on May 18^th, 2011 at 3:31pm

... wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 2:26pm:

ozziecynic wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 2:18pm:

Quote:

What's the question most asked by a Sociology graduate?

.. Would you like fries with that?

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by muso on May 18^th, 2011 at 3:40pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 12:30pm:

What we see on forums like this are cartoon cutouts of different political persuations. I agree with the person who said that right and left demarcation is blurred nowadays.

The defining scale nowadays in terms of real politicians is the Libertarian/Authoritarian dimension, although people still like to pretend that Right and Left still have more significance.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by WESLEY.PIPES on May 18^th, 2011 at 3:43pm

Agree on the misuse of 'left and right' I just say it because the intent is commonly understood.

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Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by darkhall67 on May 18^th, 2011 at 4:00pm

... wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 3:29pm:

darkhall67 wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 3:04pm:

... wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 2:26pm:

ozziecynic wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 2:18pm:

Quote:

Phark it's sad to see people who think that getting an education is only about getting a job.

Who said that? It's also about getting wasted and having lotsa sex.

Both great character building exercises.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by ozziecynic on May 18^th, 2011 at 4:13pm

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF6Dt7SS_yw&feature=related
Its american ofcause but applies anywhere!.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Time on May 18^th, 2011 at 5:03pm

... wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 2:26pm:

ozziecynic wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 2:18pm:

Quote:

Yeah, who cares for learning about the history of ideas in the West. It's all rubbish. John S. Mill was just a douche who had a nervous breakdown; who cares for his utilitarianism and ideas on liberty which underpins most political discourse in this country.

What we need is history and the foundations of Western thought taught by Paris Hilton and 2Pac. I am sure they can understand, re-present, and write about history and ideas just as good as Plato, Aristotle, and Kant.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by WESLEY.PIPES on May 18^th, 2011 at 5:27pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 5:03pm:

... wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 2:26pm:

ozziecynic wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 2:18pm:

Quote:

Society needs doctors, scientists, engineers etc.

Society could survive quite well without people sitting round discussing what they think some 16th century stoner meant when he jotted down some drug-addled musings about life.

If you're interested, study it as a hobby, but let's not pretend it's an indispensable and valuable career choice.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Soren on May 18^th, 2011 at 5:38pm

muso wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 3:40pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 12:30pm:

The left wants the right to shut up. The right wants the left to keep talking.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Cliff Richard on May 18^th, 2011 at 6:43pm

Quote:

not really

those degrees will help you get a job and thats why most people do them

sure theres a lot of lazy f*cks who just want to party but really people want a JOB and they will do a degree like that so they can even be considered at all

do you know where those degrees get you jobs in if youre not trying to be a teacher or an academic

yeah

answering phones

e.g my friend did an english degree at uws

guess what his job is now

he smacking enters numbers into a computer at an ag office in central dubbo

without the degree the employer wouldnt have considered him at all even though its utterly useless for his job and prob for his entire career

people just want a job and are too stupid to do something in engineering and arent cut out to be tradies so they just do some bs degree i mean might as well right you get to party plus the prestige factor of the diploma which trumps any bullsh!t certificate TAFE can hand out

Quote:

If 'righties', like those you find on internet forums, were in control of education, all you'd get is theories on how to whinge about Muslims/homosexuals/Abo's etc.

i know, instead we get theories on how to whinge about people who whinge about muslims/homosexuals/abos and freudian speculations about their alleged clandestine homoerotic tendencies and insecurities

fascinating stuff

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Cliff Richard on May 18^th, 2011 at 6:59pm

Quote:

Phark it's sad to see people who think that getting an education is only about getting a job.

some people are PRACTICALLY minded in fact the vast majority of people are PRACTICALLY minded and are more interested in things immediate to themselves than the broader world around them and see a degree as a ticket to get a job which is perfectly understandable

theres a lot of people who would like to skip the four years of bullsh!t altogether and just get their careers on with but theres a lot of employers out there who wont let them unless theyve got a diploma indicating theyve learned some vague crap about boongs in their huts sh!tting on each other for 40,000 years

plus what exactly did you learn during your education mate you seem pretty stupid and not particularly knowledgeable to me?

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by darkhall67 on May 18^th, 2011 at 7:13pm

Cliff Richard wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 6:59pm:

Quote:

Phark it's sad to see people who think that getting an education is only about getting a job.

Well considering you dont know me cliff , that's a pretty big call to make.

Now if you had gone and got yourself a university education you mightnt have made such a grossly uninformed comment without much evidence and proof.

Now as to your point about everyone being different , I agree with you.

Some people ARE more practically minded.

Some people are academically minded.

Some people ( I'm hinting at you here cliffy) are simple minded.

But ALL of those people would be much better , well rounded individuals if they knew about other things other than their particular occupations skill set.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Cliff Richard on May 18^th, 2011 at 7:17pm

Quote:

Well considering you dont know me cliff , that's a pretty big call to make.

nah its pretty easy to make bro just flipping through some of your posts any person with a modicum of observational ability would be able to make that judgement

ya clown

Quote:

Now if you had gone and got yourself a university education you mightnt have made such a grossly uninformed comment without much evidence and proof.

Quote:

Some people ( I'm hinting at you here cliffy) are simple minded.

hehe so u do the same thing i did (inferring something personal about an individual based on a couple of their message board posts) and at the same time tell me that if i had a university degree i wouldn't have done that(but apparently you do have a university degree and also do that)

whats going on here brah?
m8

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by longweekend58 on May 18^th, 2011 at 7:20pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 11:26am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 9:21am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 17^th, 2011 at 10:29pm:

In all seriousness, I really don't think that ones political leanings has anything to do with educational achievement.

and they rule the roost because leftie doctrine throws out discipline or personal responsibility. Private schools teach and demand both. Thats just one example.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by longweekend58 on May 18^th, 2011 at 7:23pm

... wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 2:26pm:

ozziecynic wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 2:18pm:

Quote:

One exception: DOCTOR of Philosophy (PhD)

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by life_goes_on on May 18^th, 2011 at 7:26pm

A place I worked for used to look for people with degres for entry level positions (usually paying around $60-70k). They weren't at all fussy about what kind of degree it was.

The reasoning was that they got people who could communicate effectively.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Time on May 18^th, 2011 at 10:57pm

... wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 5:27pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 5:03pm:

... wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 2:26pm:

ozziecynic wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 2:18pm:

Quote:

So you're not for learning about the history and foundations of Western thought?

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Time on May 18^th, 2011 at 11:01pm

Quote:

cliff richard wrote
i know, instead we get theories on how to whinge about people who whinge about muslims/homosexuals/abos and freudian speculations about their alleged clandestine homoerotic tendencies and insecurities

fascinating stuff

Freud and far-leftist zealots whining about the bigoted remarks from righties do make up a portion of the lecturers, yes. However, reducing the Arts to that is a reduction to the absurd.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Jasignature on May 19^th, 2011 at 12:04am

Never went to Uni. Had a Sister who did and Duxed it.
I haunted Libraries instead at an age long before one goes to Uni to learn how to 'Research'. ;) "Boo!"
I learned much indeed and implemented it all with all the Life Experiences I got from working Job to Job, place to place. Throw in mad-house Socialising and all things 'relationship' and it eventually all makes sense come 30 years of age.

Art: Well I must say, that the Uni Art is second rate compared to the TAFE Art. When I did a SignWriting course, there were a few Uni converts over to the Technical side of the force.
Why?
Well it seems that the Uni Art courses just offer 80% Theory and 20% Practical, while TAFE offered 80% Practical and 20% Theory which really mattered when it came to actually doing the Artwork itself. Besides the fact that many 'Deaf' people do Art courses because they tend to be more 'visually aware' than normal people, a lot of kids straight out of High School percieved themselves as "Losers/Failures" because they were going to TAFE and not Uni :( . Sad to see this and I often had to convince them that although they were not 'Smart' for Uni, they were definately 'Clever' enough to be successful.

University is established, via Religion, upon 'paperwork' more than anything. Also, although the Degree in question may not have anything to do with the Job at hand - it proves to an Employer that this person has gone through a 'process' which offers more than what someone has got just via the HSC.

If you can afford it: Learn your Children as to which one is Clever, which one is Smart, and wether they are Breeders or Achievers. No good sending a son to a prestigiously expensive School/Uni if he is nothing but a ladies man who is only interested in Sex and having 7 kids.

Funny thing about TAFE is that it is 90% cheaper and still gets you a career that earns more than a lot of Uni orientated careers.

Also, Australia is the world leader in Commercial Diving Academies having the Top 3.
Hobart ...Fremantle ...and Albury (not kidding).
They are considered around the world in quality as what is reserved for Harvard/Yale or Oxford/Cambridge.
Something to be proud of. 8-)

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Jaykaye_09 on May 19^th, 2011 at 1:52am

Seriously, this thread is ridiculous.

So many comments, so out of touch with the thoughts of, and realities faced by, so many students, graduates and job seekers alike.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by darkhall67 on May 19^th, 2011 at 9:39am

Cliff Richard wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 7:17pm:

Quote:

Well considering you dont know me cliff , that's a pretty big call to make.

nah its pretty easy to make bro just flipping through some of your posts any person with a modicum of observational ability would be able to make that judgement

ya clown

[quote]Now if you had gone and got yourself a university education you mightnt have made such a grossly uninformed comment without much evidence and proof.

Quote:

Some people ( I'm hinting at you here cliffy) are simple minded.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Soren on May 19^th, 2011 at 10:49pm

Arts degrees lost their value when they started to make them 'relevant' - which is just another word for 'faddish'.
Students are fed the 'latest' theory - because that's the only thing most of their lecturers and tutors know.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Time on May 20^th, 2011 at 8:15am

Jaykaye_09 wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 1:52am:

Seriously, this thread is ridiculous.

So many comments, so out of touch with the thoughts of, and realities faced by, so many students, graduates and job seekers alike.

Bingo.

It's just another display of the rife anti-intellectualism that prevails in Australia.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Soren on May 20^th, 2011 at 8:57am

MIDDLETON'S ROUSEABOUT
by Henry Lawson (1867 - 1922)

Tall and feckled and sandy,
Face of a country lout;
This was the picture of Andy,
Middleton's Rouseabout.

Type of a coming nation,
In the land of cattle and sheep,
Worked on Middleton's station,
"Pound a week and his keep".

On Middleton's wide dominions
Plied the stockwhip an' shears;
Hadn't any opinions,
Hadn't any "idears".

Swiftly the years went over,
Liquor and drouth prevailed;
Middleton went as a drover,
After his station had failed.

Type of a careless nation,
Men who are soon played out,
Middleton was - and his station
Was bought by the Rouseabout.

Flourishing beard and sandy,
Tall and robust and stout;
This is the picture of Andy,
Middleton's Rouseabout.

Now on his own dominions
Works with his overseers;
Hasn't any opinions,
Hasn't any "idears".

Times have changed. Nowadays people have lots of opinions but most still haven't any 'idears'.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Soren on May 22^nd, 2011 at 10:48am

PUBLIC schools across Sydney are experiencing a "white flight" of students.
Anglo-Australian parents are choosing to enrol their children in private schools over public because there are less children from migrant backgrounds, a new report by the University of Technology Sydney, based on data from the My School website, claims.

The western suburbs has the lowest number of Anglo-Australian students, accounting for as little as 2 per cent of enrolments in some schools.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/schools-in-west-facing-white-flight/story-e6freuy9-1226060237551

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Jasignature on May 22^nd, 2011 at 11:06am

Most of the Cities, especially Sydney & Melbourne are becoming 'White' or Anglo minority ...but then again, who would bother to live in such dumps (Prisons)?
We all know Asians are most at Home in Cities, they even have 'China-Towns' within them just to prove the point over any other race. All happy little yellow Citi-Zens ;D

...as for your Poem Soren. Really good (again). Kinda sums up Australia's "Political" future though. Even now the Cops are fighting a loosing battle against the Alcohol that THEY introduced to the country 200 years ago. James Squire anyone? :D

Lucky the Australian Art Industry (The Modern/Computer orientated, not the Celebrity/Televisual/Traditional "Arty-Farty" Archibald/Black Skivy type) is becoming our leading Industry and is being recognised as such by the International Community.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Soren on May 22^nd, 2011 at 8:27pm

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on May 22^nd, 2011 at 11:06am:

Ode To Wine by Pablo Neruda

Day-colored wine,
night-colored wine,
wine with purple feet
or wine with topaz blood,
wine,
starry child
of earth,
wine, smooth
as a golden sword,
soft
as lascivious velvet,
wine, spiral-seashelled
and full of wonder,
amorous,
marine;
never has one goblet contained you,
one song, one man,
you are choral, gregarious,
at the least, you must be shared.

At times
you feed on mortal
memories;
your wave carries us
from tomb to tomb,
stonecutter of icy sepulchers,
and we weep
transitory tears;
your
glorious
spring dress
is different,
blood rises through the shoots,
wind incites the day,
nothing is left
of your immutable soul.

Wine
stirs the spring, happiness
bursts through the earth like a plant,
walls crumble,
and rocky cliffs,
chasms close,
as song is born.
A jug of wine, and thou beside me
in the wilderness,
sang the ancient poet.
Let the wine pitcher
add to the kiss of love its own.

My darling, suddenly
the line of your hip
becomes the brimming curve
of the wine goblet,
your breast is the grape cluster,
your nipples are the grapes,
the gleam of spirits lights your hair,
and your navel is a chaste seal
stamped on the vessel of your belly,
your love an inexhaustible
cascade of wine,
light that illuminates my senses,
the earthly splendor of life. (beat that!. ed.)

But you are more than love,
the fiery kiss,
the heat of fire,
more than the wine of life;
you are
the community of man,
translucency,
chorus of discipline,
abundance of flowers.
I like on the table,
when we're speaking,
the light of a bottle
of intelligent wine.

Drink it,
and remember in every
drop of gold,
in every topaz glass,
in every purple ladle,
that autumn labored
to fill the vessel with wine;
and in the ritual of his office,
let the simple man remember
to think of the soil and of his duty,
to propagate the canticle of the wine.

Title: Re: Soren: lefties have taken over education
Post by Jasignature on May 23^rd, 2011 at 1:33am

10/10
:)