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Labor 'follows Howard's footsteps' THE chairman of the Gillard government's Refugee Resettlement Advisory Committee, Bruce Baird, has accused the government of blindly following the opposition by reverting to the Pacific Solution and backing down on its promise to provide a more compassionate asylum-seeker policy. And refugee and church groups condemned the government's plan for a detention centre in Papua New Guinea as an "appalling backflip" that would tarnish Australia's international image. Mr Baird, a Howard government MP who fought against the Coalition's hardline policies, was appointed to head the group that advises the government on how recent arrivals in Australia are settling in to the community. Mr Baird told The Weekend Australian that Labor's policies on asylum-seekers had now merged with those of the Coalition. He said he was astonished the government had replicated the Howard government's approach with the Pacific Solution. The reopening of a detention centre on PNG's Manus Island was an appalling policy decision, Mr Baird said. "We would be far better to have people who arrive in this country (by boat) processed in the same way as people who arrive as unauthorised arrivals by air who are claiming refugee status," he said. "That's what most countries do around the world - we are the most punitive." Labor was "meant to be more compassionate on this issue", he said.  ;D ;D "They've been doing more of community detention, which is a plus, but for the rest it looks pretty similar. We've almost got temporary protection visas in terms of people who have been involved in violence at the camps. "The whole thing is disappointing and shows a lack of compassion and doing policy on the basis of responding to pressure from the opposition and the quick political fix, rather than educating the community this is part of our international obligation to treat people appropriately - it doesn't mean you'll have an armada of boats descend on the country."

from the australian


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/labor-follows-howards-footsteps/story-fn59niix-1226051435965

WELL I GUESS THE LEFT SHOULD BE UP IN ARMS IN ANGER THAT JULIA GILLIARD AND THE ALP HAVE ABANDONED THE EXTREME LEFTS VIEW OF COMPASSION WITHOUT STRINGS ATTACHED TO THE QUEUE JUMPERS,  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Labor is a pathetic disgrace >:(

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Labor is a pathetic disgrace

Is that so ?? OF COURSE I KNEW THAT FROM THE VERY START,  ;D ;D ;D

Well Labor is doing something that they havent done in a long time, and of course its all about JuLIAR Gilliard trying to neutralise an issue that is HURTING LABOR and to do that, she has decided TO LISTEN AND TAKE ACTION TO WHAT THE MAJORITY WANTS FOR ONCE.

"Compassion with strings attached" - the fascists mantra. 8-)

John Howard took many hits and knocks from these bleeding heart do gooding silly extreme LETS BE COMPASSIONATE TO ILLEGALS AND QUEUE JUMPERS NO MATTER WHAT brigade of the LEFT.


Will they be just as HARD on JuLIAR Gilliard as well. ?????


Hmmmmmmmm.

Will the de facto Prime Minister Bob brown sign off on this ??? OR WILL HE BACK OFF FROM IDEOLOGY AND ALLOW LABOR TO GO AHEAD WITH THIS ????

Im sure his worried about the polls against Labor and favouring the opposition.

VERY INTERESTING.

He doesn't have to. Nothing has to go through either house AFAIK.

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He doesn't have to. Nothing has to go through either house AFAIK

True, but JuLIAR Gilliard did sign a deal for an alliance with the Greens and one of them was the BOAT PEOPLE issue, and Bob Brown favours the extreme left and refugee advocates view to make it official policy for the Labor/Greens alliance amongst all the other Green desires and wishes that JuLIAR Gilliard agreed too.

So where does this leave Bob Brown with this Labor hypocrisy which is against his POSITION. ??????

Heck fascists dont have compassion for anyone else but themselves - they die at the thought of anyone but themselves getting as fair go in the world.  If they are not kicking refugees, they are out beating up homeless people, spitting at bag ladies, whining about single mothers and pensioners.  Its a very limited self serving compassion the fascists have, not a universal one - the world is only big enough for them and "the right kind of people".  

Fascism
http://en.comunitatvalenciana.com/files/noticia/img/f1_podium.jpg

Phil Ochs: What are you fighting for?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N93OCCBXGXc&feature=related 8-)

I aint empowering fascists with my cooperation no more.... ;)

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I aint empowering fascists with my cooperation no more....

Good, go and run to a cave and live there,  ;D ;D

stryder wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 7:07pm:

Will the de facto Prime Minister Bob brown sign off on this ??? OR WILL HE BACK OFF FROM IDEOLOGY AND ALLOW LABOR TO GO AHEAD WITH THIS ???? Im sure his worried about the polls against Labor and favouring the opposition. VERY INTERESTING.

what amazes me most is these critics never come up with an answer, a fair answer, do they?... what do they mean by compassionate??? what does it mean in real terms?.. spell it out... what do they expect thegovt.. meaning us, to do exactly.. how much is enough for instance?

I mean what is it now over 6000 in 3 years...so do we find them all homes find them all jobs.see that they have free english classes??

spell it all out for us.. please..

you see I have a family member who has a house to rent down the coast and they have been asked [ by imigration] to take a refugee family of Iraqi as a tenant. they came here 3 weeks ago by the right way,,they have two sons..

now the govt is going to pay their bond and their rent..the parents are on job search..boys on Oz study.. they have a lot of help from a family member and the Refugee group. the house is empty so will need furnishing, all with our help I am sure..

now this is just one family..



now when do we call a halt to all this..we appear to be a rich country... I suggest we appear to have a decent credit rating..thats all.

when we have to call for  a levy to fund a crisis in Qld one has to wonder...

yet we seem to have a veritable horn of plenty when it comes to refugee/asylum seekers

and these critics seem to me to be saying lets open the doors to the floods.. and let the tax payer end up carrying the load.

who cares if it breaks our backs?..

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what amazes me most is these critics never come up with an answer, a fair answer, do they?... what do they mean by compassionate??? what does it mean in real terms?.. spell it out... what do they expect thegovt.. meaning us, to do exactly.. how much is enough for instance?

I know what your saying, Cods

But the fact is JuLIAR Gilliard is IMITATING JOHN HOWARD.

AND JOHN HOWARD IS HATED VERY MUCH BY THE LEFT.

And for JuLIAR Gilliard to do that IS A REAL KICK TO THE LEFTARDS,  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Its called HYPOCRISY and the left are full of it

The Laborites are more concerned about "their side" winning a vote

And this "winning a vote" attitude has costs money through higher debts and Australian lives through the Pink Batts debacle

stryder wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 7:27pm:

Quote: I aint empowering fascists with my cooperation no more....   Good, go and run to a cave and live there,  ;D ;D

Naw - we are organizing, uniting, breeding and planning the downfall of the fascists - we haven't got time to hide in caves - to much to do fighting fascists.  So many fascists so little time... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

cods wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 7:32pm:

you see I have a family member who has a house to rent down the coast and they have been asked [ by imigration] to take a refugee family of Iraqi as a tenant. they came here 3 weeks ago by the right way,,they have two sons.. now the govt is going to pay their bond and their rent..the parents are on job search..boys on Oz study.. they have a lot of help from a family member and the Refugee group. the house is empty so will need furnishing, all with our help I am sure..

Sounds like a win-win situation.

Your family member has a tenant (possibly long-term) guaranteed not to default on rent.

Your community has four more people to sell to therefore, good for the local economy and potentially two new employees ready to go dependent on skill-set required for a given job therefore, good for local businesses struggling to find employees.

Once the father and mother find a job the government has new tax payers which is good for the budget.

Once the kids are educated and get a job the government has yet another couple of taxpayers and will also recover the Austudy paid out.

So all up, just from that one family that has a chance at a new life we potentially have four more tax payers and consumers to help pay for current pensions.

stryder wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 6:33pm:

WELL I GUESS THE LEFT SHOULD BE UP IN ARMS IN ANGER THAT JULIA GILLIARD AND THE ALP HAVE ABANDONED THE EXTREME LEFTS VIEW OF COMPASSION WITHOUT STRINGS ATTACHED TO THE QUEUE JUMPERS,

Disappointed yes.

Extreme left views - wrong.
Compassion without strings attached - wrong.
Queue Jumpers - wrong.


New record for the most incorrect assertions in one half of a sentance.

Dnarever wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 8:30pm:

stryder wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 6:33pm: WELL I GUESS THE LEFT SHOULD BE UP IN ARMS IN ANGER THAT JULIA GILLIARD AND THE ALP HAVE ABANDONED THE EXTREME LEFTS VIEW OF COMPASSION WITHOUT STRINGS ATTACHED TO THE QUEUE JUMPERS, Disappointed yes. Extreme left views - wrong. Compassion without strings attached - wrong. Queue Jumpers - wrong. New record for the most incorrect assertions in one half of a sentance.

open your right eye and read it again....there you go

Disappointed yes.

Extreme left views - yes
Compassion without strings attached - yes
Queue Jumpers - YES!!

Maqqa wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 8:07pm:

Its called HYPOCRISY and the left are full of it The Laborites are more concerned about "their side" winning a vote

Says the guy who supports every word from the coalition.

You guys seem to complain more when she does what you like.
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Maqqa wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 8:34pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 8:30pm: Disappointed yes. Extreme left views - wrong. Compassion without strings attached - wrong. Queue Jumpers - wrong. New record for the most incorrect assertions in one half of a sentance. Disappointed yes. Extreme left views - yes

To want to treat people with respect and compassion is an extreme view? - well there you go - does this say more about the right and their attitude to giving people a fair go.  (sorry Wrong still)


Maqqa wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 8:34pm:

Compassion without strings attached - yes

Expected to be held in detention for a fair amount of time to be processed before being allowed into the community and the process to be finalised is hardly no strings attached. (Wrong still)


Maqqa wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 8:34pm:

Queue Jumpers - YES

What queue - where is it, just BS sorry.

Dnarever wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 8:42pm:

Expected to be held in detention for a fair amount of time to be processed before being allowed into the community and the process to be finalised is hardly no strings attached. (Wrong still) What queue - where is it, just BS sorry.

Point 1
You are gutless using a weak reference of "a fair amount of time"

Everyone spends a fair time to establish their identity and security checks. 80% of illegals who come here dump their passports

So your opinion of "a fair amount of time" is weak because it leaves too much scope to mean anything from 1 hour to 100 years

At least have to courage to be specific rather than repeat rhetoric


Point 2
The queue starts at the near point to their country of origin to apply for refugee. An Afghan does not have to apply for refugee status while in Afghanistan. There are 15 other Australian embassy points from Afghanistan to Australia they can apply. While not every countries from Afghanistan to Australia are signatory to the UN Refugee Convention - but some are. They could have stayed there.

Dnarever wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 8:35pm:

Maqqa wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 8:07pm: Its called HYPOCRISY and the left are full of it The Laborites are more concerned about "their side" winning a vote Says the guy who supports every word from the coalition. You guys seem to complain more when she does what you like. .

If you think the words I've posted is WRONG then by all means post opposing statements and facts backing it

You can't

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cods wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 7:32pm:

stryder wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 7:07pm: Will the de facto Prime Minister Bob brown sign off on this ??? OR WILL HE BACK OFF FROM IDEOLOGY AND ALLOW LABOR TO GO AHEAD WITH THIS ???? Im sure his worried about the polls against Labor and favouring the opposition. VERY INTERESTING. what amazes me most is these critics never come up with an answer, a fair answer, do they?... what do they mean by compassionate??? what does it mean in real terms?.. spell it out... what do they expect thegovt.. meaning us, to do exactly.. how much is enough for instance? I mean what is it now over 6000 in 3 years...so do we find them all homes find them all jobs.see that they have free english classes?? spell it all out for us.. please.. you see I have a family member who has a house to rent down the coast and they have been asked [ by imigration] to take a refugee family of Iraqi as a tenant. they came here 3 weeks ago by the right way,,they have two sons.. now the govt is going to pay their bond and their rent..the parents are on job search..boys on Oz study.. they have a lot of help from a family member and the Refugee group. the house is empty so will need furnishing, all with our help I am sure.. now this is just one family.. now when do we call a halt to all this..we appear to be a rich country... I suggest we appear to have a decent credit rating..thats all. when we have to call for  a levy to fund a crisis in Qld one has to wonder... yet we seem to have a veritable horn of plenty when it comes to refugee/asylum seekers and these critics seem to me to be saying lets open the doors to the floods.. and let the tax payer end up carrying the load. who cares if it breaks our backs?..

what a load of B/S cods.

It is in any rental agreementthat you can not take a tenant in. So I don't know why a goverment department would go and try to break a legal document by asking someone that is renting to take in a tenant.

Maqqa wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 8:55pm:

Point 1 You are gutless using a weak reference of "a fair amount of time" .

I think most people are capable of assessing what a fair amount of time to be held in detention for basic checks in terms of health and security would be.

i.e. weeks or maybe months but not years and case dependant.

I would not see that expecting people to have a modest perspective on what is reasonable without advice from me to be gutless in any way.

I would think it more a weak and lacking of intestines use of the word gutless.

Maqqa wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 8:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 8:35pm: Maqqa wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 8:07pm: Its called HYPOCRISY and the left are full of it The Laborites are more concerned about "their side" winning a vote Says the guy who supports every word from the coalition. You guys seem to complain more when she does what you like. . If you think the words I've posted is WRONG then by all means post opposing statements and facts backing it You can't .

If you read slowly you will see that I did not necessarily say you were wrong just that you suffer from the same affliction which makes it hypocrisy and I went on to note that you guys seem to hate it when she does exactly what you have been asking for her to do.

I do not understand why she tries to pander to the extremists all she can achieve is lost support from the more moderate and no gain from the group she is aiming to appease.

At best you guys will just switch to throwing rocks at a different window.

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Dnarever wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 8:42pm:

What queue - where is it, just BS sorry.

Ask Gillard then as according to her those sent to Malaysia will be at the back of the queue.

wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 9:03pm:

what a load of B/S cods. It is in any rental agreementthat you can not take a tenant in. So I don't know why a goverment department would go and try to break a legal document by asking someone that is renting to take in a tenant.

Might be an idea to reread cods original post and eat a little humble pie :D

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Disappointed yes. Extreme left views - wrong. Compassion without strings attached - wrong. Queue Jumpers - wrong. New record for the most incorrect assertions in one half of a sentance.   Back to top

by DNAEVER


DONT STOP THERE,  ;D

Just explain how there is compassion with strings attached ?? given the fact that like you have said many times that nearly 99% of all these queue jumpers make it here via boats are allowed to stay here through the assessment process, ??? that sounds PRETTY MUCH NEARLY NO STRINGS ATTACHED TO ME ?

AND HOW IS IT WRONG ABOUT EXTREME LEFT VIEWS ON THIS ??? they zealously support the notion and idea of alot of compassion for these queue jumpers to the point that there should be no barriers for them to arrive and be allowed to stay and live here ??,

so please elaborate on what you mean back there Dnaever ???

stryder wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 7:39pm:

Quote: what amazes me most is these critics never come up with an answer, a fair answer, do they?... what do they mean by compassionate??? what does it mean in real terms?.. spell it out... what do they expect thegovt.. meaning us, to do exactly.. how much is enough for instance? I know what your saying, Cods But the fact is JuLIAR Gilliard is IMITATING JOHN HOWARD. AND JOHN HOWARD IS HATED VERY MUCH BY THE LEFT. And for JuLIAR Gilliard to do that IS A REAL KICK TO THE LEFTARDS,  ;D ;D ;D ;D

John Howard was hated on MANY fronts
Though his tar and feathering, in 2007, was more based on WorkChoices

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John Howard was hated on MANY fronts Though his tar and feathering, in 2007, was more based on WorkChoices

Well despite what you have posted which has no relevance to the topic being discussed, Its good to see Buzzz hasnt really denied that JuLIAR Gilliard has imitated or followed the footsteps of John Howard in the hope it would appease the majority who favour TOUGH ACTION against these queue jumpers.

Because the one thing I know about Buzzanddidj, he is a SELF DENIALIST of everything thats being going bad for JuLIAR Gilliard and Labor, particuliarly the POLLS.  ;D

buzzanddidj wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 11:17pm:

John Howard was hated on MANY fronts Though his tar and feathering, in 2007, was more based on WorkChoices

Labor used his policies to demonised him

Now they are copying those very same policies that he was hated for

To the average Australian who voted for Labor this is nothing to be proud of

You were duped and Australia is worse off for it

SUCKED IN

Maqqa wrote on May 8^th, 2011 at 9:18am:

buzzanddidj wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 11:17pm: John Howard was hated on MANY fronts Though his tar and feathering, in 2007, was more based on WorkChoices Labor used his policies to demonised him Now they are copying those very same policies that he was hated for To the average Australian who voted for Labor this is nothing to be proud of You were duped and Australia is worse off for it SUCKED IN

macca you saying that labor is copying Howard policys and now we are worst off


So you finally amitted that Australia was worst off under Howard.

Dnarever wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 9:14pm:

[quote author=Maqqa link=1304757195/15#19 date=1304765717] I think most people are capable of assessing what a fair amount of time to be held in detention for basic checks in terms of health and security would be. i.e. weeks or maybe months but not years and case dependant. I would not see that expecting people to have a modest perspective on what is reasonable without advice from me to be gutless in any way. I would think it more a weak and lacking of intestines use of the word gutless.

So if it's CASE DEPENDENT then unless you know all the details of the case then how do you know what the issues are?

If it's case dependent then the "case information" would be kept a secret

We hear the "advocates" telling us that time is NOT FAIR but do they know the whole story?

We hear the lawyers from the advocate side telling us it's NOT FAIR but what are they going to say? We have lawyers advocating for murders so do we listen to the defending lawyers in this case and expect them to be impartial?

So there are NO information and yet you are able to determine a "fair amount of time" based on ZERO information!!

A Modest perspective? NO!!

Why? Because you are regurgitating rhetoric without making an assessment

wrote on May 8^th, 2011 at 9:25am:

macca you saying that labor is copying Howard policys and now we are worst off So you finally amitted that Australia was worst off under Howard.

I've already explained this years ago but I'll do it again for your benefit

Policies are like recipes

You have a 5-star chef (Costello) implementing the recipe compare it to a wannabe cook (Swan) butchering the recipes

Swan has butchered this economy to pieces