72% of Coalition Voters Know CC Is Real

63% of Coalition Voters Know Humans Are A Cause Of Climate Change


Yet They Support A Leader Who Wants To Speed Up Human Caused Climate Change and Destroy Australian's Living Standards and Wealth.

Why are Liberals so anti High Living Standards?

http://resources.news.com.au/files/2011/05/03/1226049/460725-110504-climate-newspoll.pdf








Surely, If People Desire To Grow Greater Australian Living Standards They Would Vote Greens. As For Liberal Voters, They Are Safe To Vote Greens and then Preference Liberals. Only in one electorates are Greens an threat to Liberals ~ Brisbane.

____ wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 6:22am:

72% of Coalition Voters Know CC Is Real 63% of Coalition Voters Know Humans Are A Cause Of Climate Change Yet They Support A Leader Who Wants To Speed Up Human Caused Climate Change and Destroy Australian's Living Standards and Wealth. Why are Liberals so anti High Living Standards? http://resources.news.com.au/files/2011/05/03/1226049/460725-110504-climate-newspoll.pdf Surely, If People Desire To Grow Greater Australian Living Standards They Would Vote Greens. As For Liberal Voters, They Are Safe To Vote Greens and then Preference Liberals. Only in one electorates are Greens an threat to Liberals ~ Brisbane.

The other 28% also believe climate change is real you MORON they couldn't be bothered talking to you

Climate change happens every second of the day - so what's your point?!

They also know the greens/labor are idiots for a carbon tax that will do nothing at all for global temperatures but will damage our economy.

Maqqa wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 6:56am:

____ wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 6:22am: 72% of Coalition Voters Know CC Is Real 63% of Coalition Voters Know Humans Are A Cause Of Climate Change Yet They Support A Leader Who Wants To Speed Up Human Caused Climate Change and Destroy Australian's Living Standards and Wealth. Why are Liberals so anti High Living Standards? http://resources.news.com.au/files/2011/05/03/1226049/460725-110504-climate-newspoll.pdf Surely, If People Desire To Grow Greater Australian Living Standards They Would Vote Greens. As For Liberal Voters, They Are Safe To Vote Greens and then Preference Liberals. Only in one electorates are Greens an threat to Liberals ~ Brisbane. The other 28% also believe climate change is real you MORON they couldn't be bothered talking to you Climate change happens every second of the day - so what's your point?!

Speaking of moronic, 68% of Liberal Voters know humans are influencing CC and causing havoc on our climate, food production, living standards and wealth.

This is the point, Abbott is pro lowering Australian Living Standards.

Liberals Voters who support Abbott is also anti Higher Australian Living Standards

Liberal Voters Who Vote Greens and Then Preference Liberals are not risking their vote for Liberals while sending a message to Abbott to stop f##king with their Living Standards.

not another negative thread about the Libs what a surprise

The BIG divide comes with the "are you prepared to make any sacrifice to DEAL with it" for future generations ?

Coalition voters overwhelmingly say ...


"Can't someone ELSE do it "

buzzanddidj wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 7:11am:

The BIG divide comes with the "are you prepared to make any sacrifice to DEAL with it" for future generations ? Coalition voters overwhelmingly say ... "Can't someone ELSE do it "

CANT THIS BLOODY GOVT TELL US THE FACTS AND PUT US ALL OUT OF OUR MISERY...


WHY IS THAT TOO MUCH TO EXPECT FROM THE GOVT?????????

progressiveslol wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 7:01am:

They also know the greens/labor are idiots for a carbon tax that will do nothing at all for global temperatures but will damage our economy.

Greens (and some Labor) Voters Have Higher I.Qs in knowing a carbon tax is only the start in lowering global temperatures.

First Step : A Price on Carbon pollution

Next, policies on energy efficiencies and a 100% renewable energy target (and remove coal from Australia's RET scheme ~ thanks for nothing Labor and Liberal Parties NOT)

Then spend on investment into producing new Green Exports that reduce carbon and sell them to the world.

This will be Australia's part in reducing the attack by the Right on Human Living Standards.

buzzanddidj wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 7:11am:

The BIG divide comes with the "are you prepared to make any sacrifice to DEAL with it" for future generations ? Coalition voters overwhelmingly say ... "Can't someone ELSE do it "

the left comes along and say "I'm not paying for it!"

cods wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 7:09am:

not another negative thread about the Libs what a surprise

Not All Libs, only those that support lowering Australian Living Standards by supporting Abbott as leader of their party.

Moderate Liberals, I have a lot of respect for since they mirror some Green thinking like treating refugees humanly, a strong economy, reducing carbon pollution, human rights, marriage equality, voluntary euthanasia, a Bill of Rights and so on.

____ wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 7:16am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 7:01am: They also know the greens/labor are idiots for a carbon tax that will do nothing at all for global temperatures but will damage our economy. Greens (and some Labor) Voters Have Higher I.Qs in knowing a carbon tax is only the start in lowering global temperatures. First Step : A Price on Carbon pollution Next, policies on energy efficiencies and a 100% renewable energy target (and remove coal from Australia's RET scheme ~ thanks for nothing Labor and Liberal Parties NOT) Then spend on investment into producing new Green Exports that reduce carbon and sell them to the world. This will be Australia's part in reducing the attack by the Right on Human Living Standards.

higher IQ = Al Gore..lol

cods wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 7:21am:

____ wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 7:16am: progressiveslol wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 7:01am: They also know the greens/labor are idiots for a carbon tax that will do nothing at all for global temperatures but will damage our economy. Greens (and some Labor) Voters Have Higher I.Qs in knowing a carbon tax is only the start in lowering global temperatures. First Step : A Price on Carbon pollution Next, policies on energy efficiencies and a 100% renewable energy target (and remove coal from Australia's RET scheme ~ thanks for nothing Labor and Liberal Parties NOT) Then spend on investment into producing new Green Exports that reduce carbon and sell them to the world. This will be Australia's part in reducing the attack by the Right on Human Living Standards. higher IQ = Al Gore..lol

Al Gore votes Australian Greens Cod, how?

Meanwhile, do you understand a carbon price is the first step to sorting an ETS and Liberals wanted an ETS until Abbott won party leadership and so started this attack on Australian Living Standards.

Climate Change happens EVERY SECOND of the day - so what is your point?!

Uh Oh,  it rained all night,  now the climate has changed because it's stopped.   Will a carbon tax change this ????

Maqqa wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 7:44am:

Climate Change happens EVERY SECOND of the day - so what is your point?!

Weather Happens every moment, Climate Shifts take longer unless there is an outside influence like massive meteorites slam into the great southern continent or gulf of Mexico or humans pump massive amounts of greenhouse gasses into our atmosphere.

nichy wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 7:48am:

Uh Oh,  it rained all night,  now the climate has changed because it's stopped.   Will a carbon tax change this ????

Rain is weather, not climate. Educate yourself and then you can understand a Greens' price on carbon pollution will stop Abbott's attack on higher living standards.

____ wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 7:32am:

cods wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 7:21am: ____ wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 7:16am: progressiveslol wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 7:01am: They also know the greens/labor are idiots for a carbon tax that will do nothing at all for global temperatures but will damage our economy. Greens (and some Labor) Voters Have Higher I.Qs in knowing a carbon tax is only the start in lowering global temperatures. First Step : A Price on Carbon pollution Next, policies on energy efficiencies and a 100% renewable energy target (and remove coal from Australia's RET scheme ~ thanks for nothing Labor and Liberal Parties NOT) Then spend on investment into producing new Green Exports that reduce carbon and sell them to the world. This will be Australia's part in reducing the attack by the Right on Human Living Standards. higher IQ = Al Gore..lol Al Gore votes Australian Greens Cod, how? Meanwhile, do you understand a carbon price is the first step to sorting an ETS and Liberals wanted an ETS until Abbott won party leadership and so started this attack on Australian Living Standards.

I really cant be bothered with you you never answer a question its always another one from you..

but you brought AL Gore over with his little videos of the world crumbling..grabbed his big fat check before jumping on the plane out of here though..

but I remember rudd getting wound up and booby applauding like mad.. its a win for the greens more votes for the greens..

and look at the stalemate we have..we dont know what the hell is going on... and you think the people that vote on moronic polls.. do..

well good for you..

Al Gore is living the HIGH life couldnt careless about carbon.and yes you did bring him over a laud him and send PANIC through the suburbs..

and I bet he wouldnt vote green if his life depended on it.

how have your living standards faltered since Abbott took over from Turnbull??????????

Maqqa wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 6:56am:

Climate change happens every second of the day - so what's your point?!

No it doesn't, you ignorant fool, it changes when one or more climate forcing are altered. Maybe you're thinking of weather?

astro_surf wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 8:13am:

Maqqa wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 6:56am: Climate change happens every second of the day - so what's your point?! No it doesn't, you ignorant fool, it changes when one or more climate forcing are altered. Maybe you're thinking of weather?

Yes I love it when the uneducated confusionalists don't even know the difference between the weather and the climate, really, its basic sh it, but these idiots trot this line out on a daily basis.

Hey Cods, Stop Lying

1. You say I don't answer your questions, you did not ask me one. Last time you did this I asked you to repeat the question and you blew me off. Grow up and behave like an adult.

2. I did not bring Al Gore over, another lie.

3. Abbott's attack on yours, your families and my living standards have nothing to do with Al Gore. Stop trying to make this an Al Gore Issue.

4. Yes Climate Change Action is Great for The Greens, as it is for all Australians since it cements and grows our living standards and wealth. Greens support a stronger economy, high quality jobs, and better health conditions along with securing food production. Abbott's Hard Right opposes all of this. This is a make or break issue for Abbott's Hard Right Liberals, and if he/they win, everyone loses.

Abbott must and will be defeated otherwise poverty will follow.

It is a pretty pointless poll actually. to say you believe in CC is pretty meaningless since CC itself is an indisuptable fact. to believe that humans are involved in CC is also a pretty silly question since our mere existance on this planet implies that. and only 14% beleive we are totally responsible for it and THAT is the figure that is important.

longweekend58 wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 8:30am:

and only 14% beleive we are totally responsible for it and THAT is the figure that is important.

Which is obviously the extremist minority to which you belong. Tell me, longweekend, how do you figure that CO2 is a function and not a cause of climate change? I'm still waiting for an answer. because after all, a smart chap like you should be able to explain exactly WHY you hold such a strong yet extremist, minority opinion, surely?

astro_surf wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 8:41am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 8:30am: and only 14% beleive we are totally responsible for it and THAT is the figure that is important. Which is obviously the extremist minority to which you belong. Tell me, longweekend, how do you figure that CO2 is a function and not a cause of climate change? I'm still waiting for an answer. because after all, a smart chap like you should be able to explain exactly WHY you hold such a strong yet extremist, minority opinion, surely?

try again. the 14% minority is the group that beleives ONLY humans are responsible for CC.

longweekend58 wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 8:43am:

astro_surf wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 8:41am: longweekend58 wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 8:30am: and only 14% beleive we are totally responsible for it and THAT is the figure that is important. Which is obviously the extremist minority to which you belong. Tell me, longweekend, how do you figure that CO2 is a function and not a cause of climate change? I'm still waiting for an answer. because after all, a smart chap like you should be able to explain exactly WHY you hold such a strong yet extremist, minority opinion, surely? try again. the 14% minority is the group that beleives ONLY humans are responsible for CC.

I knew he couldn't answer.Full of one liners and lies is all.

____ wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 7:16am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 7:01am: They also know the greens/labor are idiots for a carbon tax that will do nothing at all for global temperatures but will damage our economy. Greens (and some Labor) Voters Have Higher I.Qs in knowing a carbon tax is only the start in lowering global temperatures. First Step : A Price on Carbon pollution Next, policies on energy efficiencies and a 100% renewable energy target (and remove coal from Australia's RET scheme ~ thanks for nothing Labor and Liberal Parties NOT) Then spend on investment into producing new Green Exports that reduce carbon and sell them to the world. This will be Australia's part in reducing the attack by the Right on Human Living Standards

I wouldnt get on the high horse with your elitism if I were you. There is no concensus on the causes of GW and it would look like you would be the gullible crowd, so elite if you must, but it just makes you look dumb and gullible.

Quote:

but it just makes you look dumb and gullible.

There is no one here that even comes close to you for that title.

Hey greens. How would you feel if you were suckered by the rich and extreme environmentalists to use less resources so they have more available to them. They cant use their eugenics to slow the resource use, so did they come up the ultimate sucker job.

Now wouldnt that be funny in a sad way.

skippy. wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 9:14am:

Quote: but it just makes you look dumb and gullible. There is no one here that even comes close to you for that title.

Wow, nice come back kid.

____ wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 6:22am:

72% of Coalition Voters Know CC Is Real 63% of Coalition Voters Know Humans Are A Cause Of Climate Change Yet They Support A Leader Who Wants To Speed Up Human Caused Climate Change and Destroy Australian's Living Standards and Wealth. Why are Liberals so anti High Living Standards? http://resources.news.com.au/files/2011/05/03/1226049/460725-110504-climate-newspoll.pdf Surely, If People Desire To Grow Greater Australian Living Standards They Would Vote Greens. As For Liberal Voters, They Are Safe To Vote Greens and then Preference Liberals. Only in one electorates are Greens an threat to Liberals ~ Brisbane.

This should topple that little pea-brain of yours.  ;D


VOTERS are overwhelmingly against Julia Gillard's carbon tax after a sharp fall in support in the past two months among the young, families, women and even Labor supporters.
As Tony Abbott continues to campaign against the tax, the latest Newspoll survey reveals 60 per cent of voters are opposed to the government's plan to put a price on carbon next year and only 30 per cent remain in favour.

Since the election last year, opposition to a carbon price has been rising and jumped after the Prime Minister announced in late February that she planned to introduce a carbon tax from July 1 next year ahead of a full emissions trading scheme in three to five years.

The latest Newspoll survey, taken exclusively for The Australian last weekend, shows that voters are not only against the carbon tax on a ratio of two-to-one, but that opposition to the plan is far more intense than the support for it. Of the 60 per cent opposed to the carbon tax, 39 per cent are "strongly against", but of the 30 per cent for the plan only 12 per cent are "strongly in favour".

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/voters-abandon-julia-gillards-carbon-pricing-plan/story-fn59niix-1226049447761

BigOl64 wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 9:18am:

____ wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 6:22am: 72% of Coalition Voters Know CC Is Real 63% of Coalition Voters Know Humans Are A Cause Of Climate Change Yet They Support A Leader Who Wants To Speed Up Human Caused Climate Change and Destroy Australian's Living Standards and Wealth. Why are Liberals so anti High Living Standards? http://resources.news.com.au/files/2011/05/03/1226049/460725-110504-climate-newspoll.pdf Surely, If People Desire To Grow Greater Australian Living Standards They Would Vote Greens. As For Liberal Voters, They Are Safe To Vote Greens and then Preference Liberals. Only in one electorates are Greens an threat to Liberals ~ Brisbane. This should topple that little pea-brain of yours.  ;D VOTERS are overwhelmingly against Julia Gillard's carbon tax after a sharp fall in support in the past two months among the young, families, women and even Labor supporters. As Tony Abbott continues to campaign against the tax, the latest Newspoll survey reveals 60 per cent of voters are opposed to the government's plan to put a price on carbon next year and only 30 per cent remain in favour. Since the election last year, opposition to a carbon price has been rising and jumped after the Prime Minister announced in late February that she planned to introduce a carbon tax from July 1 next year ahead of a full emissions trading scheme in three to five years. The latest Newspoll survey, taken exclusively for The Australian last weekend, shows that voters are not only against the carbon tax on a ratio of two-to-one, but that opposition to the plan is far more intense than the support for it. Of the 60 per cent opposed to the carbon tax, 39 per cent are "strongly against", but of the 30 per cent for the plan only 12 per cent are "strongly in favour". http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/voters-abandon-julia-gillards-carbon-pricing-plan/story-fn59niix-1226049447761

Thats too complicated for a green. It has to say, for greens/labor policies, not against greens/labor policies.

The brain strain is immense if the dumb people dont like their policies.

____ wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 8:19am:

Hey Cods, Stop Lying 1. You say I don't answer your questions, you did not ask me one. Last time you did this I asked you to repeat the question and you blew me off. Grow up and behave like an adult. 2. I did not bring Al Gore over, another lie. 3. Abbott's attack on yours, your families and my living standards have nothing to do with Al Gore. Stop trying to make this an Al Gore Issue. 4. Yes Climate Change Action is Great for The Greens, as it is for all Australians since it cements and grows our living standards and wealth. Greens support a stronger economy, high quality jobs, and better health conditions along with securing food production. Abbott's Hard Right opposes all of this. This is a make or break issue for Abbott's Hard Right Liberals, and if he/they win, everyone loses. Abbott must and will be defeated otherwise poverty will follow.

I beg your pardon I did print up the original question... and then I did ask it all over again... and still no answer..

your party BOBBY brought over AL GORE..


and thats when the PANIC set in... it was all going to be over by the year 2010... the its the year 2013..now who knows??

you conveniently forget but not all of us do..

Al Gore sucked in rudd..



you say Abbott will cause poverty...

what happened to the world will end??? tomorrow.

you are obsessed with Abbott... and will do anything to rubbish anything he has to say.,. yet your man booby isnt saying much is he?????

he is keeping very quiet all of a sudden...of course he knows he will be accountable for what ever happens from now on in..

why isnt he out there banging the big drum on CARBON TAX>. its the only way.... because he knows it a phoney and he does not want to be there when its all proved beyond a doubt.. we have been scammed..

it doesnt matter though the govt has what it REALLY wants   another Huge TAX

The never ending Middle Class welfare Grab from the Working class and the poor = the Carbon Tax :P :P :P :P

what amazes me is that people even have an opinion on this..

WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT ITS ABOUT...

if the govt did the right thing and put it on the table we would at least have something to debate.. as it is... its are you for it or against it...


FOR OR AGAINST "WHAT" FOR PETESAKE?..

you may as well ask.. are you in favour of closing the gate or leaving it open...

you would  ask or at least I would...

what difference does it make?????....

when they explain the difference

then you can give an honest opinion.

at least thats how I think..

why blindly except a TAX without knowing anything about it??????

progressiveslol wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 9:23am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 9:18am: ____ wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 6:22am: 72% of Coalition Voters Know CC Is Real 63% of Coalition Voters Know Humans Are A Cause Of Climate Change Yet They Support A Leader Who Wants To Speed Up Human Caused Climate Change and Destroy Australian's Living Standards and Wealth. Why are Liberals so anti High Living Standards? http://resources.news.com.au/files/2011/05/03/1226049/460725-110504-climate-newspoll.pdf Surely, If People Desire To Grow Greater Australian Living Standards They Would Vote Greens. As For Liberal Voters, They Are Safe To Vote Greens and then Preference Liberals. Only in one electorates are Greens an threat to Liberals ~ Brisbane. This should topple that little pea-brain of yours.  ;D VOTERS are overwhelmingly against Julia Gillard's carbon tax after a sharp fall in support in the past two months among the young, families, women and even Labor supporters. As Tony Abbott continues to campaign against the tax, the latest Newspoll survey reveals 60 per cent of voters are opposed to the government's plan to put a price on carbon next year and only 30 per cent remain in favour. Since the election last year, opposition to a carbon price has been rising and jumped after the Prime Minister announced in late February that she planned to introduce a carbon tax from July 1 next year ahead of a full emissions trading scheme in three to five years. The latest Newspoll survey, taken exclusively for The Australian last weekend, shows that voters are not only against the carbon tax on a ratio of two-to-one, but that opposition to the plan is far more intense than the support for it. Of the 60 per cent opposed to the carbon tax, 39 per cent are "strongly against", but of the 30 per cent for the plan only 12 per cent are "strongly in favour". http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/voters-abandon-julia-gillards-carbon-pricing-plan/story-fn59niix-1226049447761 Thats too complicated for a green. It has to say, for greens/labor policies, not against greens/labor policies. The brain strain is immense if the dumb people dont like their policies.

Polls like political support is not fixed. Considering Labor's dog breakfast on the way they released news of a price on carbon and then it's lack of policy detail, this is a great starting point to shifting the majority back to reducing human caused climate change through linked policies.

Now if someone ran a poll asking Australians if they are willing to have cuts to their living standards, decreased super payouts when they retire, greater health costs, higher food prices and increased unemployment rates due to human caused climate change, how do you think they would vote?

All is required to shift those that are against a price on carbon is to educate them on what will happen to them without one.

cods wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 9:53am:

____ wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 8:19am: Hey Cods, Stop Lying 1. You say I don't answer your questions, you did not ask me one. Last time you did this I asked you to repeat the question and you blew me off. Grow up and behave like an adult. 2. I did not bring Al Gore over, another lie. 3. Abbott's attack on yours, your families and my living standards have nothing to do with Al Gore. Stop trying to make this an Al Gore Issue. 4. Yes Climate Change Action is Great for The Greens, as it is for all Australians since it cements and grows our living standards and wealth. Greens support a stronger economy, high quality jobs, and better health conditions along with securing food production. Abbott's Hard Right opposes all of this. This is a make or break issue for Abbott's Hard Right Liberals, and if he/they win, everyone loses. Abbott must and will be defeated otherwise poverty will follow. I beg your pardon I did print up the original question... and then I did ask it all over again... and still no answer.. your party BOBBY brought over AL GORE.. and thats when the PANIC set in... it was all going to be over by the year 2010... the its the year 2013..now who knows?? you conveniently forget but not all of us do.. Al Gore sucked in rudd.. you say Abbott will cause poverty... what happened to the world will end??? tomorrow. you are obsessed with Abbott... and will do anything to rubbish anything he has to say.,. yet your man booby isnt saying much is he????? he is keeping very quiet all of a sudden...of course he knows he will be accountable for what ever happens from now on in.. why isnt he out there banging the big drum on CARBON TAX>. its the only way.... because he knows it a phoney and he does not want to be there when its all proved beyond a doubt.. we have been scammed.. it doesnt matter though the govt has what it REALLY wants   another Huge TAX

You are a liar and a bad speller. You can't even spell the Greens leader name correctly, or is this a reflection of you small mindedness ... if so go play in the sandpit and let the grown ups debate in peace.


As for Bob Brown, Greens are busy preparing for a greater influence in the Senate when all the new Greens Senators take their seats. Then you will be hearing about all the things you don't like discussing ... Like Abbott's attack on everyone's Living Standards.

____ wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 10:05am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 9:23am: BigOl64 wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 9:18am: ____ wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 6:22am: 72% of Coalition Voters Know CC Is Real 63% of Coalition Voters Know Humans Are A Cause Of Climate Change Yet They Support A Leader Who Wants To Speed Up Human Caused Climate Change and Destroy Australian's Living Standards and Wealth. Why are Liberals so anti High Living Standards? http://resources.news.com.au/files/2011/05/03/1226049/460725-110504-climate-newspoll.pdf Surely, If People Desire To Grow Greater Australian Living Standards They Would Vote Greens. As For Liberal Voters, They Are Safe To Vote Greens and then Preference Liberals. Only in one electorates are Greens an threat to Liberals ~ Brisbane. This should topple that little pea-brain of yours.  ;D VOTERS are overwhelmingly against Julia Gillard's carbon tax after a sharp fall in support in the past two months among the young, families, women and even Labor supporters. As Tony Abbott continues to campaign against the tax, the latest Newspoll survey reveals 60 per cent of voters are opposed to the government's plan to put a price on carbon next year and only 30 per cent remain in favour. Since the election last year, opposition to a carbon price has been rising and jumped after the Prime Minister announced in late February that she planned to introduce a carbon tax from July 1 next year ahead of a full emissions trading scheme in three to five years. The latest Newspoll survey, taken exclusively for The Australian last weekend, shows that voters are not only against the carbon tax on a ratio of two-to-one, but that opposition to the plan is far more intense than the support for it. Of the 60 per cent opposed to the carbon tax, 39 per cent are "strongly against", but of the 30 per cent for the plan only 12 per cent are "strongly in favour". http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/voters-abandon-julia-gillards-carbon-pricing-plan/story-fn59niix-1226049447761 Thats too complicated for a green. It has to say, for greens/labor policies, not against greens/labor policies. The brain strain is immense if the dumb people dont like their policies. Polls like political support is not fixed. Considering Labor's dog breakfast on the way they released news of a price on carbon and then it's lack of policy detail, this is a great starting point to shifting the majority back to reducing human caused climate change through linked policies. Now if someone ran a poll asking Australians if they are willing to have cuts to their living standards, decreased super payouts when they retire, greater health costs, higher food prices and increased unemployment rates due to human caused climate change, how do you think they would vote? All is required to shift those that are against a price on carbon is to educate them on what will happen to them without one.

That sounds like a threat.  I know I will not be paying middle class welfare (Carbon Tax) out of my DSP - I will be sending my bills back to the appropriate companies unpaid. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

____ wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 10:05am:

Polls like political support is not fixed. Considering Labor's dog breakfast on the way they released news of a price on carbon and then it's lack of policy detail, this is a great starting point to shifting the majority back to reducing human caused climate change through linked policies. Now if someone ran a poll asking Australians if they are willing to have cuts to their living standards, decreased super payouts when they retire, greater health costs, higher food prices and increased unemployment rates due to human caused climate change, how do you think they would vote? All is required to shift those that are against a price on carbon is to educate them on what will happen to them without one.

The majority of Australians, unlike yourself are well aware we produce only 1% of the world's CO2 and are not willing to destroy our economy to make you greenies feel good about yourselves.

If i thought it would make a rat's rectum bit of difference I'd support it too; but I know when something is a total waste of time and effort, unlike yourself.

Th tax will achieve no measurable difference to the world's CO2, so it it is a pointless wankfest and therefore totally embraced by the greens.  ;D

____ wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 10:05am:

All is required to shift those that are against a price on carbon is to educate them on what will happen to them without one.

All is required to shift those that are against a price on carbon is to make them gullible on what will happen to them without one. Because as we know, with one will do nothing for global temperatures and that no-one can say for sure, that carbon is the problem but can tell you the theory.

If we can make them gullible, we can get past the point of 'we should do this just in case' and turn it into 'we must do this because we believe in the theories'

Prevailing wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 10:11am:

____ wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 10:05am: progressiveslol wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 9:23am: BigOl64 wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 9:18am: ____ wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 6:22am: 72% of Coalition Voters Know CC Is Real 63% of Coalition Voters Know Humans Are A Cause Of Climate Change Yet They Support A Leader Who Wants To Speed Up Human Caused Climate Change and Destroy Australian's Living Standards and Wealth. Why are Liberals so anti High Living Standards? http://resources.news.com.au/files/2011/05/03/1226049/460725-110504-climate-newspoll.pdf Surely, If People Desire To Grow Greater Australian Living Standards They Would Vote Greens. As For Liberal Voters, They Are Safe To Vote Greens and then Preference Liberals. Only in one electorates are Greens an threat to Liberals ~ Brisbane. This should topple that little pea-brain of yours.  ;D VOTERS are overwhelmingly against Julia Gillard's carbon tax after a sharp fall in support in the past two months among the young, families, women and even Labor supporters. As Tony Abbott continues to campaign against the tax, the latest Newspoll survey reveals 60 per cent of voters are opposed to the government's plan to put a price on carbon next year and only 30 per cent remain in favour. Since the election last year, opposition to a carbon price has been rising and jumped after the Prime Minister announced in late February that she planned to introduce a carbon tax from July 1 next year ahead of a full emissions trading scheme in three to five years. The latest Newspoll survey, taken exclusively for The Australian last weekend, shows that voters are not only against the carbon tax on a ratio of two-to-one, but that opposition to the plan is far more intense than the support for it. Of the 60 per cent opposed to the carbon tax, 39 per cent are "strongly against", but of the 30 per cent for the plan only 12 per cent are "strongly in favour". http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/voters-abandon-julia-gillards-carbon-pricing-plan/story-fn59niix-1226049447761 Thats too complicated for a green. It has to say, for greens/labor policies, not against greens/labor policies. The brain strain is immense if the dumb people dont like their policies. Polls like political support is not fixed. Considering Labor's dog breakfast on the way they released news of a price on carbon and then it's lack of policy detail, this is a great starting point to shifting the majority back to reducing human caused climate change through linked policies. Now if someone ran a poll asking Australians if they are willing to have cuts to their living standards, decreased super payouts when they retire, greater health costs, higher food prices and increased unemployment rates due to human caused climate change, how do you think they would vote? All is required to shift those that are against a price on carbon is to educate them on what will happen to them without one. That sounds like a threat.  I know I will not be paying middle class welfare (Carbon Tax) out of my DSP - I will be sending my bills back to the appropriate companies unpaid. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Dipstick, how about considering the compensation you will be getting considering you are on a DSP.

Reduce your carbon foot print through spending your income on products and services with less carbon pollution in their make up means this compensation to Pensioners and other lower income Australians then turns into a Pension/income Rise.

Yes, Greens are fighting for another DS Pension rise through a carbon price and compensation package, just like they sorted your $30 a week one a little while ago.

Why are you so against more money in your own pocket?

____ wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 10:21am:

Prevailing wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 10:11am: ____ wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 10:05am: progressiveslol wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 9:23am: BigOl64 wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 9:18am: ____ wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 6:22am: 72% of Coalition Voters Know CC Is Real 63% of Coalition Voters Know Humans Are A Cause Of Climate Change Yet They Support A Leader Who Wants To Speed Up Human Caused Climate Change and Destroy Australian's Living Standards and Wealth. Why are Liberals so anti High Living Standards? http://resources.news.com.au/files/2011/05/03/1226049/460725-110504-climate-newspoll.pdf Surely, If People Desire To Grow Greater Australian Living Standards They Would Vote Greens. As For Liberal Voters, They Are Safe To Vote Greens and then Preference Liberals. Only in one electorates are Greens an threat to Liberals ~ Brisbane. This should topple that little pea-brain of yours.  ;D VOTERS are overwhelmingly against Julia Gillard's carbon tax after a sharp fall in support in the past two months among the young, families, women and even Labor supporters. As Tony Abbott continues to campaign against the tax, the latest Newspoll survey reveals 60 per cent of voters are opposed to the government's plan to put a price on carbon next year and only 30 per cent remain in favour. Since the election last year, opposition to a carbon price has been rising and jumped after the Prime Minister announced in late February that she planned to introduce a carbon tax from July 1 next year ahead of a full emissions trading scheme in three to five years. The latest Newspoll survey, taken exclusively for The Australian last weekend, shows that voters are not only against the carbon tax on a ratio of two-to-one, but that opposition to the plan is far more intense than the support for it. Of the 60 per cent opposed to the carbon tax, 39 per cent are "strongly against", but of the 30 per cent for the plan only 12 per cent are "strongly in favour". http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/voters-abandon-julia-gillards-carbon-pricing-plan/story-fn59niix-1226049447761 Thats too complicated for a green. It has to say, for greens/labor policies, not against greens/labor policies. The brain strain is immense if the dumb people dont like their policies. Polls like political support is not fixed. Considering Labor's dog breakfast on the way they released news of a price on carbon and then it's lack of policy detail, this is a great starting point to shifting the majority back to reducing human caused climate change through linked policies. Now if someone ran a poll asking Australians if they are willing to have cuts to their living standards, decreased super payouts when they retire, greater health costs, higher food prices and increased unemployment rates due to human caused climate change, how do you think they would vote? All is required to shift those that are against a price on carbon is to educate them on what will happen to them without one. That sounds like a threat.  I know I will not be paying middle class welfare (Carbon Tax) out of my DSP - I will be sending my bills back to the appropriate companies unpaid. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Dipstick, how about considering the compensation you will be getting considering you are on a DSP. Reduce your carbon foot print through spending your income on products and services with less carbon pollution in their make up means this compensation to Pensioners and other lower income Australians then turns into a Pension/income Rise. Yes, Greens are fighting for another DS Pension rise through a carbon price and compensation package, just like they sorted your $30 a week one a little while ago. Why are you so against more money in your own pocket?

What DSP - if we negotiate or compromise with the Middle class welfare industry we wont even have a DSP - no surrender, no compromise - shove your Carbon Tax, your private welfare Industry, your welfare quarantining, your reeducation and retraining employment programs and all of the rest of the scams the middle class invents to loot the legitimate social security sector for its own tax :-? :o :-? payer funded welfare.

we Never negotiate with the Middle class

we never comply with the middle class

we never share personal information with middle class welfare industries or advocates.
:-? :P :-?

BigOl64 wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 10:17am:

____ wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 10:05am: Polls like political support is not fixed. Considering Labor's dog breakfast on the way they released news of a price on carbon and then it's lack of policy detail, this is a great starting point to shifting the majority back to reducing human caused climate change through linked policies. Now if someone ran a poll asking Australians if they are willing to have cuts to their living standards, decreased super payouts when they retire, greater health costs, higher food prices and increased unemployment rates due to human caused climate change, how do you think they would vote? All is required to shift those that are against a price on carbon is to educate them on what will happen to them without one. The majority of Australians, unlike yourself are well aware we produce only 1% of the world's CO2 and are not willing to destroy our economy to make you greenies feel good about yourselves. If i thought it would make a rat's rectum bit of difference I'd support it too; but I know when something is a total waste of time and effort, unlike yourself. Th tax will achieve no measurable difference to the world's CO2, so it it is a pointless wankfest and therefore totally embraced by the greens.  ;D

First, you underestimated Australia's carbon pollution by 50% ... accident or ignorance? Then you ignore our exported emissions not included in this figure.

Second, a price on carbon will not destroy the Australian economy, it will be one of many policies used to shift the economy towards a sustainable and strong economy. Something the hard right don't want.

A carbon tax will not reduce spiraling world temperatures and the subsequent heating of the world's permafrost and so the release of another greenhouse gas 20 times more heat trapping than carbon, methane, by itself. Yet the carbon tax will then lead to an ETS that will in time interlock with the Emission Trading Schemes in 36 other economies already existing and all the other Emission Schemes planned.

Are you against China implement a Emissions Trading Scheme, because if you are then keep on opposing an Emission Trading Scheme in Australia.

A Carbon Tax is the First Step towards a proper ETS. An ETS then ends this carbon tax.

You are a liar and a bad speller. You can't even spell the Greens leader name correctly, or is this a reflection of you small mindedness ... if so go play in the sandpit and let the grown ups debate in peace.


As for Bob Brown, Greens are busy preparing for a greater influence in the Senate when all the new Greens Senators take their seats. Then you will be hearing about all the things you don't like discussing ... Like Abbott's attack on everyone's Living Standards.  
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I am not a liar.. prove it?..small minded maybe but that only your opinion and believe me it doesn count for much on here..

as for BOOBY no thats how I think of him...puts his little ugly head up out of his sandpit.. and then pops it back again..stab stab .. he stirs then he runs away...a bit like you must go with the party morals..

cause a PANIC then deny with all your might..

yes the senators.. will have the POWER I am very interested to see how they use it???

greater influence  goes with greater responsibility... and thats what I am relishing...

since he stood up and was there when the CARBON TAX was announced he has basically disappeared.... havent seen him out there once  taking his responsibilty for this blank page he managed to foist on us..

hes good at announcments smirking away... but then what? NOTHING...we are left to fight amongst ourselves what s right and whats wrong.... but we really dont know what we are arguing about

give us the facts give us what we can expect from this massive TAX.. tell us how it will or wont work..can you do that woody?.. without bluring the lines about what Abbott would or wouldnt do..


as a matter of fact I hear more from Abbott about what WONT WORK> than I do from booby about what WILL WORK..

and its his policy so he should be the one with the detail... just a bit of detail woody thats all.

____ wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 10:38am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 10:17am: ____ wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 10:05am: Polls like political support is not fixed. Considering Labor's dog breakfast on the way they released news of a price on carbon and then it's lack of policy detail, this is a great starting point to shifting the majority back to reducing human caused climate change through linked policies. Now if someone ran a poll asking Australians if they are willing to have cuts to their living standards, decreased super payouts when they retire, greater health costs, higher food prices and increased unemployment rates due to human caused climate change, how do you think they would vote? All is required to shift those that are against a price on carbon is to educate them on what will happen to them without one. The majority of Australians, unlike yourself are well aware we produce only 1% of the world's CO2 and are not willing to destroy our economy to make you greenies feel good about yourselves. If i thought it would make a rat's rectum bit of difference I'd support it too; but I know when something is a total waste of time and effort, unlike yourself. Th tax will achieve no measurable difference to the world's CO2, so it it is a pointless wankfest and therefore totally embraced by the greens.  ;D First, you underestimated Australia's carbon pollution by 50% ... accident or ignorance? Then you ignore our exported emissions not included in this figure. Second, a price on carbon will not destroy the Australian economy, it will be one of many policies used to shift the economy towards a sustainable and strong economy. Something the hard right don't want. A carbon tax will not reduce spiraling world temperatures and the subsequent heating of the world's permafrost and so the release of another greenhouse gas 20 times more heat trapping than carbon, methane, by itself. Yet the carbon tax will then lead to an ETS that will in time interlock with the Emission Trading Schemes in 36 other economies already existing and all the other Emission Schemes planned. Are you against China implement a Emissions Trading Scheme, because if you are then keep on opposing an Emission Trading Scheme in Australia. A Carbon Tax is the First Step towards a proper ETS. An ETS then ends this carbon tax.

the argument doesnt even need to be about CC. in not one example has a carbon tax or ETS actually reduced emissions of CO2. the EU has declared their ETS a success while admitting that emissions have not slowed. so they have the ETS working fine now - it just doesnt do what it is supposed to do.

its a bit like saying that the car you are bulding is humming along nicely. Engine running well and maybe one day you will put a gearbox and tranmission in it. and what about wheels?

Thats the ETS for you. a well-oiled machine. except it doesnt move.

Believing in climate change is one thing.

Know that a government will take tax revenue and piss it up against the wall for no benefit to us all and we will just pay more for nothing is another.

Dipstick, how about considering the compensation you will be getting considering you are on a DSP.

Reduce your carbon foot print through spending your income on products and services with less carbon pollution in their make up means this compensation to Pensioners and other lower income Australians then turns into a Pension/income Rise.

Yes, Greens are fighting for another DS Pension rise through a carbon price and compensation package, just like they sorted your $30 a week one a little while ago.

Why are you so against more money in your own pocket?





HOW?...dont you think those already on the lowest wage in the country are already cutting things to the bone?..

you see the less I use the dearer it gets...

if I want a potato I buy two or 3 because I cant afford any more.

I cannot afford to buy the bulk or the special deals..

my meds cost over $50 a fortnight..now..petrol $45 if I cut back on going anywhere.. some weeks better than others..car insurance goes up every year.no matter what.. yet my pension doesnt except for the CPI.. which based on what we get paid is a laugh..prev will know what I am talking about..

look woody everyone has his/.her own demons to deal with and they spend their money where and when they choose..but I cannot see anything less than $100 pw being of any use to us to be honest.... and I do not believe we will be getting that by a country mile.

I was always under the impression the idea of this whole excercise, was to do what you suggest make us  cut back..well all I am saying is how... we all live on generic..where else.. and does generic cost any less to produce than Heinz?..

I am not complaining I am doing it tougher than anyone else... but tell us how to cut down thats all.. dont just tell us to do it..its not that simpl.

____ wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 10:38am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 10:17am: ____ wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 10:05am: Polls like political support is not fixed. Considering Labor's dog breakfast on the way they released news of a price on carbon and then it's lack of policy detail, this is a great starting point to shifting the majority back to reducing human caused climate change through linked policies. Now if someone ran a poll asking Australians if they are willing to have cuts to their living standards, decreased super payouts when they retire, greater health costs, higher food prices and increased unemployment rates due to human caused climate change, how do you think they would vote? All is required to shift those that are against a price on carbon is to educate them on what will happen to them without one. The majority of Australians, unlike yourself are well aware we produce only 1% of the world's CO2 and are not willing to destroy our economy to make you greenies feel good about yourselves. If i thought it would make a rat's rectum bit of difference I'd support it too; but I know when something is a total waste of time and effort, unlike yourself. Th tax will achieve no measurable difference to the world's CO2, so it it is a pointless wankfest and therefore totally embraced by the greens.  ;D First, you underestimated Australia's carbon pollution by 50% ... accident or ignorance? Then you ignore our exported emissions not included in this figure. Second, a price on carbon will not destroy the Australian economy, it will be one of many policies used to shift the economy towards a sustainable and strong economy. Something the hard right don't want. A carbon tax will not reduce spiraling world temperatures and the subsequent heating of the world's permafrost and so the release of another greenhouse gas 20 times more heat trapping than carbon, methane, by itself. Yet the carbon tax will then lead to an ETS that will in time interlock with the Emission Trading Schemes in 36 other economies already existing and all the other Emission Schemes planned. Are you against China implement a Emissions Trading Scheme, because if you are then keep on opposing an Emission Trading Scheme in Australia. A Carbon Tax is the First Step towards a proper ETS. An ETS then ends this carbon tax.

My bad, we produce a whopping 1.5% of the world's CO2 and taxing our output will save humanity and end world hunger and quickly bring about world peace. Horseshiat!

Taxing Australians on CO2 consumption will achieve bugger all except make everything dearer. Except for those that get some of their tax back in the form of extra welfare payments.

As longy pointed out, even those countries with a perfectly performing carbon tax are still increasing their carbon output, so what is the fuken point?

____ wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 10:38am:

BigOl64 wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 10:17am: ____ wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 10:05am: Polls like political support is not fixed. Considering Labor's dog breakfast on the way they released news of a price on carbon and then it's lack of policy detail, this is a great starting point to shifting the majority back to reducing human caused climate change through linked policies. Now if someone ran a poll asking Australians if they are willing to have cuts to their living standards, decreased super payouts when they retire, greater health costs, higher food prices and increased unemployment rates due to human caused climate change, how do you think they would vote? All is required to shift those that are against a price on carbon is to educate them on what will happen to them without one. The majority of Australians, unlike yourself are well aware we produce only 1% of the world's CO2 and are not willing to destroy our economy to make you greenies feel good about yourselves. If i thought it would make a rat's rectum bit of difference I'd support it too; but I know when something is a total waste of time and effort, unlike yourself. Th tax will achieve no measurable difference to the world's CO2, so it it is a pointless wankfest and therefore totally embraced by the greens.  ;D First, you underestimated Australia's carbon pollution by 50% ... accident or ignorance? Then you ignore our exported emissions not included in this figure. Second, a price on carbon will not destroy the Australian economy, it will be one of many policies used to shift the economy towards a sustainable and strong economy. Something the hard right don't want. A carbon tax will not reduce spiraling world temperatures and the subsequent heating of the world's permafrost and so the release of another greenhouse gas 20 times more heat trapping than carbon, methane, by itself. Yet the carbon tax will then lead to an ETS that will in time interlock with the Emission Trading Schemes in 36 other economies already existing and all the other Emission Schemes planned. Are you against China implement a Emissions Trading Scheme, because if you are then keep on opposing an Emission Trading Scheme in Australia. A Carbon Tax is the First Step towards a proper ETS. An ETS then ends this carbon tax.

Then why not simply bring in an ETS in July 2012 (or whenever it is) instead of bringing in a Carbon Tax (which you admit won't affect the climate) first??

It's like Groundhog Day on here.

You come on, count the environment threads, carbon tax threads, asylum seekers threads and they probably add up to 90% of all on here.


Woody do you realize how many fking threads you start about the environment???????

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 11:52am:

It's like Groundhog Day on here. You come on, count the environment threads, carbon tax threads, asylum seekers threads and they probably add up to 90% of all on here. Woody do you realize how many fking threads you start about the environment???????

greens are extreme(ly) pushy about their climate policies.

progressiveslol wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 12:21pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 11:52am: It's like Groundhog Day on here. You come on, count the environment threads, carbon tax threads, asylum seekers threads and they probably add up to 90% of all on here. Woody do you realize how many fking threads you start about the environment??????? greens are extreme(ly) pushy about their climate policies.

and if they dont get exactly what they want, they vote against it just liek the ETS.

____ wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 6:22am:

72% of Coalition Voters Know CC Is Real 63% of Coalition Voters Know Humans Are A Cause Of Climate Change Yet They Support A Leader Who Wants To Speed Up Human Caused Climate Change and Destroy Australian's Living Standards and Wealth. Why are Liberals so anti High Living Standards? http://resources.news.com.au/files/2011/05/03/1226049/460725-110504-climate-newspoll.pdf Surely, If People Desire To Grow Greater Australian Living Standards They Would Vote Greens. As For Liberal Voters, They Are Safe To Vote Greens and then Preference Liberals. Only in one electorates are Greens an threat to Liberals ~ Brisbane.

THEY DON'T SUPPORT ABBOTT!

WHERE IS THAT BETTING MARKET?  ;) ;)

Maqqa wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 7:17am:

buzzanddidj wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 7:11am: The BIG divide comes with the "are you prepared to make any sacrifice to DEAL with it" for future generations ? Coalition voters overwhelmingly say ... "Can't someone ELSE do it " the left comes along and say "I'm not paying for it!"

So, the rights not telling their kids to pay for it?!!?  :-X :-X :-X

So, the rights not telling their kids to pay for it?!!?  :-X :-X :-X

So, the rights not telling their kids to pay for it?!!?  :-X :-X :-X

So, the rights not telling their kids to pay for it?!!?  :-X :-X :-X

So, the rights not telling their kids to pay for it?!!?  :-X :-X :-X

So, the rights not telling their kids to pay for it?!!?  :-X :-X :-X

So, the rights not telling their kids to pay for it?!!?  :-X :-X :-X

So, the rights not telling their kids to pay for it?!!?  :-X :-X :-X

[... that'll f(&*%^ im!  :D :D ]

Maqqa wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 7:44am:

Climate Change happens EVERY SECOND of the day - so what is your point?!

You don't understand the first word of what you wrote!  :D :D ;D

You don't understand the first word of what you wrote!  :D :D ;D

You don't understand the first word of what you wrote!  :D :D ;D

You don't understand the first word of what you wrote!  :D :D ;D

You don't understand the first word of what you wrote!  :D :D ;D

You don't understand the first word of what you wrote!  :D :D ;D

You don't understand the first word of what you wrote!  :D :D ;D

You don't understand the first word of what you wrote!  :D :D ;D

Exactly how many times does this forum have to prove you are a complete joke?  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( ;)

skippy. wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 8:19am:

astro_surf wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 8:13am: Maqqa wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 6:56am: Climate change happens every second of the day - so what's your point?! No it doesn't, you ignorant fool, it changes when one or more climate forcing are altered. Maybe you're thinking of weather? Yes I love it when the uneducated confusionalists don't even know the difference between the weather and the climate, really, its basic sh it, but these idiots trot this line out on a daily basis.

It can only indicate one thing: TONY ABBOTT HAS LOST ALL MOMENTUM!  ;) ;D

It can only indicate one thing: TONY ABBOTT HAS LOST ALL MOMENTUM!  ;) ;D

It can only indicate one thing: TONY ABBOTT HAS LOST ALL MOMENTUM!  ;) ;D

It can only indicate one thing: TONY ABBOTT HAS LOST ALL MOMENTUM!  ;) ;D

It can only indicate one thing: TONY ABBOTT HAS LOST ALL MOMENTUM!  ;) ;D

It can only indicate one thing: TONY ABBOTT HAS LOST ALL MOMENTUM!  ;) ;D

It can only indicate one thing: TONY ABBOTT HAS LOST ALL MOMENTUM!  ;) ;D

It can only indicate one thing: TONY ABBOTT HAS LOST ALL MOMENTUM!  ;) ;D

TONY ABBOTT IS A RHODES SCHOLAR...  ;) ;)

Everyone here knows the Carbon Tax is part of the never ending insatiable appetite of middle class aspirational thugs for tax payers dollars,.

http://www.portec.com.au/thepig/health-farm/productionmgt/nursery/postweaningfeeding/postweaningfeeding_files/image003.jpg 8-)
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How long oh Lord must the working class carry these useless Middle Class slobs? 8-)

longweekend58 wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 1:07pm:

progressiveslol wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 12:21pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 11:52am: It's like Groundhog Day on here. You come on, count the environment threads, carbon tax threads, asylum seekers threads and they probably add up to 90% of all on here. Woody do you realize how many fking threads you start about the environment??????? greens are extreme(ly) pushy about their climate policies. and if they dont get exactly what they want, they vote against it just liek the ETS.

right of course, and if he doesnt get what HE WANTS with the cost of CARBON TAX.. he will vote against" it "as well...

cods wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 7:16pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 1:07pm: progressiveslol wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 12:21pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 11:52am: It's like Groundhog Day on here. You come on, count the environment threads, carbon tax threads, asylum seekers threads and they probably add up to 90% of all on here. Woody do you realize how many fking threads you start about the environment??????? greens are extreme(ly) pushy about their climate policies. and if they dont get exactly what they want, they vote against it just liek the ETS. right of course, and if he doesnt get what HE WANTS with the cost of CARBON TAX.. he will vote against" it "as well...

That's hilarious. Don't see Andrei's concern when it's Maqqa or Matty flooding the forum with their inane threads. Selective criticism much?

Tony Abbott is not just wasting the clever countrys time he is wasting his own and his partys!

"THE DARKNESS CANNOT BANISH THE DARKNESS......."

astro_surf wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 10:16pm:

cods wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 7:16pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 1:07pm: progressiveslol wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 12:21pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 11:52am: It's like Groundhog Day on here. You come on, count the environment threads, carbon tax threads, asylum seekers threads and they probably add up to 90% of all on here. Woody do you realize how many fking threads you start about the environment??????? greens are extreme(ly) pushy about their climate policies. and if they dont get exactly what they want, they vote against it just liek the ETS. right of course, and if he doesnt get what HE WANTS with the cost of CARBON TAX.. he will vote against" it "as well... That's hilarious. Don't see Andrei's concern when it's Maqqa or Matty flooding the forum with their inane threads. Selective criticism much?

I dont know about anyone else, but I can handle the responses that are inane, but to create threads over and over that are one line inane or SPAM 5 threads with the exact inane text, now that is a problem.

....AND YOU'RE GOING TO SOLVE THIS 'PROBLEM' HOW?!!?  :-X :-X ::)

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 11:30am:

____ wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 10:38am: BigOl64 wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 10:17am: ____ wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 10:05am: Polls like political support is not fixed. Considering Labor's dog breakfast on the way they released news of a price on carbon and then it's lack of policy detail, this is a great starting point to shifting the majority back to reducing human caused climate change through linked policies. Now if someone ran a poll asking Australians if they are willing to have cuts to their living standards, decreased super payouts when they retire, greater health costs, higher food prices and increased unemployment rates due to human caused climate change, how do you think they would vote? All is required to shift those that are against a price on carbon is to educate them on what will happen to them without one. The majority of Australians, unlike yourself are well aware we produce only 1% of the world's CO2 and are not willing to destroy our economy to make you greenies feel good about yourselves. If i thought it would make a rat's rectum bit of difference I'd support it too; but I know when something is a total waste of time and effort, unlike yourself. Th tax will achieve no measurable difference to the world's CO2, so it it is a pointless wankfest and therefore totally embraced by the greens.  ;D First, you underestimated Australia's carbon pollution by 50% ... accident or ignorance? Then you ignore our exported emissions not included in this figure. Second, a price on carbon will not destroy the Australian economy, it will be one of many policies used to shift the economy towards a sustainable and strong economy. Something the hard right don't want. A carbon tax will not reduce spiraling world temperatures and the subsequent heating of the world's permafrost and so the release of another greenhouse gas 20 times more heat trapping than carbon, methane, by itself. Yet the carbon tax will then lead to an ETS that will in time interlock with the Emission Trading Schemes in 36 other economies already existing and all the other Emission Schemes planned. Are you against China implement a Emissions Trading Scheme, because if you are then keep on opposing an Emission Trading Scheme in Australia. A Carbon Tax is the First Step towards a proper ETS. An ETS then ends this carbon tax. Then why not simply bring in an ETS in July 2012 (or whenever it is) instead of bringing in a Carbon Tax (which you admit won't affect the climate) first??

I didn't say a carbon tax wouldn't effect the climate, I said a carbon tax by itself wouldn't. It requires other policies alongside like policies on energy efficiencies, removing coal as a renewable energy (you can thank Labor and Liberal for conning everyone with this stupidity), then lifting the RET to 100%, protecting old growth forests, implementing an ETS and so on.

Why a carbon tax first which leads to an ETS, rather than straight to an ETS. To get a proper ETS requires proper negotiations rather than the politicing of self interest which is happening from the Liberals and some big businesses. A Carbon Tax will be implemented and people will realise the sky will not fall, the cost will be minimal and the spin off will be business security so investment will follow. This will make negotiating an ETS better so Australia then can sort the best ETS model for all parties minus the screaming of "Great Big Tax" from the hard right.

SEA levels will rise higher and faster than the United Nations predicted just four years ago, a major international study has found.

The new data suggests that, on average, the seas will rise by up to 1.6 metres by the year 2100 - a finding that has serious implications for Australian governments grappling with coastal planning.

The Arctic Monitoring and Assessment Program, based in Norway, found that the Greenland ice sheet is melting four times as fast as it was a decade ago.
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''The past six years have been the warmest period ever recorded in the Arctic,'' the authors of the report said in a statement. ''In the future, global sea level is projected to rise by 0.9 metres to 1.6 metres by 2100 and the loss of ice from Arctic glaciers, ice caps and the Greenland ice sheet will make a substantial contribution.''

Each centimetre of sea-level rise roughly translates to one metre of beach erosion, meaning that the coastline can be expected to move 160 metres further inland.

The most recent assessment from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, released in 2007, put the projected rise at 59 centimetres by 2100. It acknowledged the views of many researchers that this figure was conservative.

In the past few years, sea levels have risen an average of about 3 millimetres a year, with 40 per cent of this attributed to melting Arctic glaciers, ice caps and the Greenland ice sheet.

The rate is expected to accelerate as the world warms this century and the process will be compounded as more ice cover is lost. White ice fields reflect sunlight away from the Earth's surface, whereas the darker oceans absorb more of the sun's heat, amplifying global warming.

Australia's Department of Climate Change and Energy Efficiency said its 2009 report into the effects had taken into account the possibility of high sea-level rises.

"There is growing consensus in the science community that sea-level rise at the upper end of the IPCC estimates is plausible by the end of this century, and that a rise of more than 1.0 metre and as high as 1.5 metres cannot be ruled out," its report said.

The report found that as many as 247,000 residential buildings with a value of $63 billion may be at risk of inundation from a sea-level rise scenario of 1.1 metres by 2100.

The NSW Office of Environment and Heritage said it would monitor scientific developments and provide new advice to coastal councils in 2014, when the UN is expected to finalise its next assessment.



http://www.smh.com.au/environment/sea-levels-rising-higher-and-faster-20110504-1e8j7.html


72 percent of Liberal Voters know about the coastal and infrastructure destruction coming yet they are in denial about this. Why?

All it will take to reject this denial is either replace the current hard right leader with a moderate Liberal ... or vote Greens and preference Liberals at no risk for currently held Liberal electorates outside of Brisbane. Voting Greens and then preferencing Liberals will wake your party up and caused them to stop gambling with your future.

lol I can make stupis predictions as well. You should follow my predictions as much as the UN's.

Do they need more money or something?

progressiveslol wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 6:43am:

lol I can make stupis predictions as well. You should follow my predictions as much as the UN's. Do they need more money or something?

did woody predict the death of Osama....pity we would have more faith in which way the world is going wouldnt we???..lol..

anyway I am presuming its taken well over 100 years for us to get to this stage so I assume it will take that long for it to reverse anything...


will it be like stopping the Queen Mary... where you switch the engine off but it takes a long time before the ship stops..or will it start reversing immediately

progressiveslol wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 6:43am:

lol I can make stupis predictions as well. You should follow my predictions as much as the UN's. Do they need more money or something?

Yet your predictions are not scientifically based. It is amazing hard righters will invade an oil country on a WMD lie yet will not lift a finger to protect Australian infrastructure or assets.

____ wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 7:19am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 6:43am: lol I can make stupis predictions as well. You should follow my predictions as much as the UN's. Do they need more money or something? Yet your predictions are not scientifically based. It is amazing hard righters will invade an oil country on a WMD lie yet will not lift a finger to protect Australian infrastructure or assets.

You can tell the UN uses their special scientists. You know, the "reputible" ones.

How have their predictions gone so far. Not too good I hear. Actually is 0% prediction rate any good in any 'reputible' language.

The most effective thing that the government could do right now  would be to stop subsidising fossil fuels. They currently do that indirectly by tax exemptions for (among others) mining companies and primary producers.  If they did that, renewables would far be more competitive.

If supplies are getting tighter, it makes sense not to provide an incentive for people to use them and give renewables a chance to compete on an even playing field.

As far as the position that Australia wouldn't have much effect on Climate Change if they just carried on as normal, it's a bit like an oarsman in a boat race saying "It wouldn't make much difference if I stopped rowing. It would have a negligible effect"  
- the same principle if a single member of a choir stopped singing.

http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/cny/img/events/dragonboat2.jpg

muso wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 9:27am:

The most effective thing that the government could do right now  would be to stop subsidising fossil fuels. They currently do that indirectly by tax exemptions for (among others) mining companies and primary producers.  If they did that, renewables would far be more competitive. If supplies are getting tighter, it makes sense not to provide an incentive for people to use them and give renewables a chance to compete on an even playing field. As far as the position that Australia wouldn't have much effect on Climate Change if they just carried on as normal, it's a bit like an oarsman in a boat race saying "It wouldn't make much difference if I stopped rowing. It would have a negligible effect"   - the same principle if a single member of a choir stopped singing. http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/cny/img/events/dragonboat2.jpg

Yeh funny that. By your analogy, Australia is this little guy with a heart condition, doing all the rowing while these big guys chant him on and do no rowing.

____ wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 5:37am:

SEA levels will rise higher and faster than the United Nations predicted just four years ago, a major international study has found. The new data suggests that, on average, the seas will rise by up to 1.6 metres by the year 2100 - a finding that has serious implications for Australian governments grappling with coastal planning. The Arctic Monitoring and Assessment Program, based in Norway, found that the Greenland ice sheet is melting four times as fast as it was a decade ago. Advertisement: Story continues below ''The past six years have been the warmest period ever recorded in the Arctic,'' the authors of the report said in a statement. ''In the future, global sea level is projected to rise by 0.9 metres to 1.6 metres by 2100 and the loss of ice from Arctic glaciers, ice caps and the Greenland ice sheet will make a substantial contribution.'' Each centimetre of sea-level rise roughly translates to one metre of beach erosion, meaning that the coastline can be expected to move 160 metres further inland. The most recent assessment from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, released in 2007, put the projected rise at 59 centimetres by 2100. It acknowledged the views of many researchers that this figure was conservative. In the past few years, sea levels have risen an average of about 3 millimetres a year, with 40 per cent of this attributed to melting Arctic glaciers, ice caps and the Greenland ice sheet. The rate is expected to accelerate as the world warms this century and the process will be compounded as more ice cover is lost. White ice fields reflect sunlight away from the Earth's surface, whereas the darker oceans absorb more of the sun's heat, amplifying global warming. Australia's Department of Climate Change and Energy Efficiency said its 2009 report into the effects had taken into account the possibility of high sea-level rises. "There is growing consensus in the science community that sea-level rise at the upper end of the IPCC estimates is plausible by the end of this century, and that a rise of more than 1.0 metre and as high as 1.5 metres cannot be ruled out," its report said. The report found that as many as 247,000 residential buildings with a value of $63 billion may be at risk of inundation from a sea-level rise scenario of 1.1 metres by 2100. The NSW Office of Environment and Heritage said it would monitor scientific developments and provide new advice to coastal councils in 2014, when the UN is expected to finalise its next assessment. http://www.smh.com.au/environment/sea-levels-rising-higher-and-faster-20110504-1e8j7.html 72 percent of Liberal Voters know about the coastal and infrastructure destruction coming yet they are in denial about this. Why? All it will take to reject this denial is either replace the current hard right leader with a moderate Liberal ... or vote Greens and preference Liberals at no risk for currently held Liberal electorates outside of Brisbane. Voting Greens and then preferencing Liberals will wake your party up and caused them to stop gambling with your future.

Yeh, see a 40 cm rise I would never expect a reaction from the markets but a 160 cm rise maybe....well, most certainly...it's just a question of when and by how much!

Everyone watches the money!!! I'm not saying anything anyone doesn't know of course but just thinking out loud i.e. conversing!  :D :D

The talk about what constitutes a flood has been a more than interesting development!!!

It's great to drink coffee and watch life go by............  8-)

Keep up the good work Greens I say! I generally put them 1 if I can be sure they don't preference the Libs! I'll never promise them the number 1 spot but I generally(there's that word again!  :-? :-? ) think they deserve a boost to their confidence for speaking with a loud voice!

I love the fact Germany is going anti-nuclear: THAT REALLY ROCKS MY WORLD BIG TIME BABY AND YOU ALL KNOW I'M NOT LYING THERE!  ;) ;) ;)