muso wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 8:10am:

The Global Warming potential for methane is 25 (25 times that of CO2) for a 100 year horizon. Its atmospheric lifetime is 12 years. It decomposes to CO2, but the overall contribution to atmospheric CO2 from methane is negligible, since the atmospheric concentration of methane is about 500 times lower than that of CO2. Methane contributes approximately 6% of the total greenhouse effect (including water vapour)

Global warming is impacting on us in many dreadful ways already Muso.



http://www.cagle.com/news/EasterBunny/images/broelman.jpg

Yes it is.

http://hairlarious.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/global-warming.jpg

OMG!! LOL!!

Sheesh .. I think I'm stuck in the 1990's for some reason.

Apologies to all if I appear to have taken the topic a little off course with a little humour this morning.

I trust the Moderator of this forum has the insight to see that even a joke is always half true.

Global warming and its potential and actual impacts on our environment is a serious and valid concern IMO.

I would love to see a global consensus approach to ensuring that our environment has a chance to remain safe. I feel that it's the least we can do for our children.

We just cannot afford to take the health of our environment for granted anymore.

I stated this in another topic and I think it pertains to this one also :

At some stage we're going to have to come to terms with the fact that if we don't collectively give a damn about our environment .. then we're permitting and inviting global genocide.

The late Admiral James Stockwell was the most senior member of the US military to be imprisoned by the Viet Cong during the Vietnam war. He is probably most famous in business circles for the "Stockwell Paradox".


When asked who didn't make it out of Vietnam, Stockdale replied:

"Oh, that’s easy, the optimists. Oh, they were the ones who said, 'We're going to be out by Christmas.' And Christmas would come, and Christmas would go. Then they'd say, 'We're going to be out by Easter.' And Easter would come, and Easter would go. And then Thanksgiving, and then it would be Christmas again. And they died of a broken heart."

Stockdale then added:

"This is a very important lesson. You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/James_Stockdale_Formal_Portrait.jpg/250px-James_Stockdale_Formal_Portrait.jpg

I think more people should have the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of our current reality, and as Stockwell went on to say during his later career as a business consultant - you then need to back up that faith to prevail with a carefully drawn up plan describing how to achieve your objectives - and stick to it.



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He was held as a prisoner of war in the Hoa Lo prison for the next seven years. Locked in leg irons in a bath stall, he was routinely tortured and beaten. When told by his captors that he was to be paraded in public, Stockdale slit his scalp with a razor to purposely disfigure himself so that his captors could not use him as propaganda. When they covered his head with a hat, Stockdale beat himself with a stool until his face was swollen beyond recognition. He told them in no uncertain terms that they would never use him.

http://www.admiralstockdale.com/

The Vietnamese people were confronting the brutal facts on a daily basis

http://www.woolamaloo.org.uk/nick%20ut%20Kim%20Phuc%20vietnam%20war.jpg

NAPALM - US War Crimes (Corporate Profits)
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Water Torture - Guess which army?
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AGENT ORANCE (Big DOW CHEMICAL PROFITS)
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AGENT ORANGE
http://www.whale.to/v/images/agentorange.jpg

Yes the Vietnamese dealt with their current reality everyday

Stockwell received his medals and consulted for US corporations after the war - probably goes to church every Sunday praying to our lord Jesus for slavation of whats left of his soul

Yes, the Vietnam war itself was a tragedy, but that doesn't lessen the courage of those who participated on both sides.

muso wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 7:57am:

Yes, the Vietnam war itself was a tragedy, but that doesn't lessen the courage of those who participated on both sides.

The courage was on the side of the civilians who were being attacked and having their country poisoned and bombed for over a decade.

TO equate the suffering and death of Americans and some its patsy allies to that of the Vietnamese (North and South) shows how muso distorts simple historical truths.

1.2 million + Vietnamese civlian deaths (countless injuries and Genetical deformities)

58,000 US deaths (almost every one of them military personell)


All tragic loss of life - but lets gets some honest perspective here hey muso

I may be asking too much of muso - seeing as his shameful TEPCO apologetics that have raged in here from the moment tsunami slammed into the Fukushima nuclear power plant facility.

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 8:13am:

The courage was on the side of the civilians who were being attacked and having their country poisoned and bombed for over a decade. TO equate the suffering and death of Americans and some its patsy allies to that of the Vietnamese (North and South) shows how muso distorts simple historical truths.

War is always a tragedy on a human scale. You can't blame individuals for the misguided actions of their leaders.

Have you read The Neanderthal Parallax by Robert Sawyer? He tends to summarise the triviality of the Cold War by asking the question (paraphrased) - Why would you go to war and kill millions of people just because you have different economic systems?

I think you'd appreciate that trilogy.

The Cold War was not about economic systems. It was about what human nature is, what the proper and fitting social organisation is for humans and the like. It was about where we are, by nature, on the Robinson Crusoe-Spartan phalanx scale.
Economics is only a part of it, not the whole.

It is unsurprising that our resident stupid drongo has successfully covered even the climate science thread with his usual anti-American spittle. Stand by for inane and completely irrelevant picture.

Soren wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 9:28am:

The Cold War was not about economic systems. It was about what human nature is, what the proper and fitting social organisation is for humans and the like. It was about where we are, by nature, on the Robinson Crusoe-Spartan phalanx scale. Economics is only a part of it, not the whole. It is unsurprising that our resident stupid drongo has successfully covered even the climate science thread with his usual anti-American spittle. Stand by for inane and completely irrelevant picture.

I am not anti-American, I just dissagree with US foreign policy (and the bulk of Americans feel the same way).

Obvioulsy Soren cannot counter the arguments put forward so he resorts to the old discrimination card - ANTI-AMERICAN.

See how Soren avoids the simple questions I ask?

Like the one concerning the UN resolution to BAN fissile nuclear materials used in weapons?

Vote was 147 to 1

THE USA was the only nation to vote against

THere were 2 nations that abstained - the UK and Israel (LOL)

Even the puppet state Australia voted with the ALMOST unanimoius world opinion.

Well Soren, do you think Australia should join the USA in its rogue state propagation of violence and hatred?

Watch ladies and gentlemen - watch Soren go into hiding and resort to insults

The refuge and ploy of a true moral coward.

A coward who cannot even face the future.

http://australianmuseum.net.au/Uploads/Images/6264/T12.2b%20solarconcentrating%20p.jpg

A coward who desseminates hatred, racism and ignorant right wing propaganda for obvious motives

Depleted Uranium munitions used in Iraq led to some pretty horrendous consequences for the civilian population. There is evidence that some of the batches were also contaminated with nuclear waste.

It's a subject that went cold in the press around 2003, but allowing children to play in U3O8 dust from DU munitions that caught fire on impact was not the smartest thing that the US military ever did.

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 9:48am:

Well Soren, do you think Australia should join the USA

Yes.

Soren wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 10:35pm:

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 9:48am: Well Soren, do you think Australia should join the USA Yes.

I may ask the REAL Australians

http://www.khanfactor.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/aboriginals_1906.jpg

muso wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 9:42pm:

Depleted Uranium munitions used in Iraq led to some pretty horrendous consequences for the civilian population. There is evidence that some of the batches were also contaminated with nuclear waste. It's a subject that went cold in the press around 2003, but allowing children to play in U3O8 dust from DU munitions that caught fire on impact was not the smartest thing that the US military ever did.

So muso - the only MISTAKE that the US military made was to allow chidlren to play in the U dust?

The fact that they use DU in munitions at all is never questioned by muso.

muso - they great trivialising apologist for evrything evil in this world

We're lucky. We had ancestors who had hearts of steel that our generation could never understand. We should not question our prosperity that they gave their lives for.

footybogan99 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 10:49pm:

We're lucky. We had ancestors who had hearts of steel that our generation could never understand. We should not question our prosperity that they gave their lives for.

NEVER QUESTION AND EVIL FLOURISHES

http://www.khanfactor.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/aboriginals_1906.jpg

Who are these guys? Makes me feel like a bucket of sh!t. We can't do anything about is except try and give them a better life in the future. What are your idaes?

footybogan99 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 10:56pm:

Who are these guys? Makes me feel like a bucket of sh!t. We can't do anything about is except try and give them a better life in the future. What are your idaes?

These guys are dead

http://www.khanfactor.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/aboriginals_1906.jpg

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 10:43pm:

muso wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 9:42pm: Depleted Uranium munitions used in Iraq led to some pretty horrendous consequences for the civilian population. There is evidence that some of the batches were also contaminated with nuclear waste. It's a subject that went cold in the press around 2003, but allowing children to play in U3O8 dust from DU munitions that caught fire on impact was not the smartest thing that the US military ever did. So muso - the only MISTAKE that the US military made was to allow chidlren to play in the U dust? The fact that they use DU in munitions at all is never questioned by muso. muso - they great trivialising apologist for evrything evil in this world

Well, Mr Musician, your new best friend turned feral and toxic very quickly. First there was climate science kumbaya but now there is only spittle and venom. The guy (for he is no woman) is a total and unsalvagable drongo. He just has no intelligent bone in his body. What drives him is a big smacking hairy devil on his back, up his arse and chewing his ear, telling him what to think. He just can't possibly say something intelligent. The climate science thread is wrecked by this stupid CheDolf.

Soren wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 10:59pm:

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 10:43pm: muso wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 9:42pm: Depleted Uranium munitions used in Iraq led to some pretty horrendous consequences for the civilian population. There is evidence that some of the batches were also contaminated with nuclear waste. It's a subject that went cold in the press around 2003, but allowing children to play in U3O8 dust from DU munitions that caught fire on impact was not the smartest thing that the US military ever did. So muso - the only MISTAKE that the US military made was to allow chidlren to play in the U dust? The fact that they use DU in munitions at all is never questioned by muso. muso - they great trivialising apologist for evrything evil in this world Well, Mr Musician, your new best friend turned feral and toxic very quickly. First there was climate science kumbaya but now there is only spittle and venom. The guy (for he is no woman) is a total and unsalvagable drongo. He just has no intelligent bone in his body. What drives him is a big smacking hairy devil on his back, up his arse and chewing his ear, telling him what to think. He just can't possibly say something intelligent. The climate science thread is wrecked by this stupid CheDolf.

Now normally this would be an insult.

But coming from Soren its a great compliment

Thank you Soren

Now LOOK at what you shun your eyes to

Face the reality of your racist upbringing and pathetic immoral base

http://www.khanfactor.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/aboriginals_1906.jpg

Soren wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 9:28am:

The Cold War was not about economic systems. It was about what human nature is, what the proper and fitting social organisation is for humans and the like. It was about where we are, by nature, on the Robinson Crusoe-Spartan phalanx scale. Economics is only a part of it, not the whole. It is unsurprising that our resident stupid drongo has successfully covered even the climate science thread with his usual anti-American spittle. Stand by for inane and completely irrelevant picture.

And if racist Soren actually knew what the significance of a Spartan Phalanx was he wouldnt be using in such an ignorant manner

But then Soren cannot even look at this image

TERRA NULLIUS
http://www.khanfactor.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/aboriginals_1906.jpg

Yeah, a picture of Snoop Dogg's dads in bondage. So???

Soren wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 11:34pm:

Yeah, a picture of Snoop Dogg's dads in bondage. So???

So?

Was that a QUESTION that you asked Soren?

HOW DARE YOU ASK A QUESTION AND DIRECT IT TOWARDS ME

I HAVE A REPUTATION AND INTEGRITY TO UPHOLD IN HERE

I CANNOT BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE LIKES OF YOU SOREN

YOURS SINCERELY

FOOLOSOPHY

(dont take it personally you racist freak)

You are upholding your reputation alright.

(I know it's you, Imp)

Soren wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 11:42pm:

You are upholding your reputation alright. (I know it's you, Imp)

Now you are losing it entirely Soren

Imp????

http://thehumanscorch.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/1243271414_black_guy_laughing.gif

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 11:39pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 11:34pm: Yeah, a picture of Snoop Dogg's dads in bondage. So??? So? Was that a QUESTION that you asked Soren? HOW DARE YOU ASK A QUESTION AND DIRECT IT TOWARDS ME I HAVE A REPUTATION AND INTEGRITY TO UPHOLD IN HERE I CANNOT BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE LIKES OF YOU SOREN YOURS SINCERELY FOOLOSOPHY (dont take it personally you racist freak)

Hell hath no fury. Entertaining as it is, maybe I should try to sort out this thread and retain the climate science bit.


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(I know it's you, Imp)

Not even close. Let's get back on subject. Foolosophy has a reputation and integrity to withhold after all.

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 10:43pm:

muso wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 9:42pm: Depleted Uranium munitions used in Iraq led to some pretty horrendous consequences for the civilian population. There is evidence that some of the batches were also contaminated with nuclear waste. It's a subject that went cold in the press around 2003, but allowing children to play in U3O8 dust from DU munitions that caught fire on impact was not the smartest thing that the US military ever did. So muso - the only MISTAKE that the US military made was to allow chidlren to play in the U dust? The fact that they use DU in munitions at all is never questioned by muso. muso - they great trivialising apologist for evrything evil in this world

You seem to have an artistic talent for creating strawmen. You are certainly a shining wit (sic). Just try to relapse and read what people actually post.

muso's Law 1: Avoid takling about internal emitters and their radiological health implications

muso's Law 2: Depleted Uranium is harmless

http://depleteduraniumthechildkiller.com/DUB12.jpg

More strawmen. Terrible thing, Rubella.

muso wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 10:32am:

(I know it's you, Imp)

Not even close. Let's get back on subject. Foolosophy has a reputation and integrity to withhold after all.
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Jesus - you are not telling me that Fool is NOT an act???

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 11:01am:

: Depleted Uranium is harmless

Well, in the sense that not even depleted uranium make you worse, yes it is harmless.

.

Soren wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 8:31pm:

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 11:01am: : Depleted Uranium is harmless Well, in the sense that not even depleted uranium make you worse, yes it is harmless. .

Is this part of your stand up routine?

Soren wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 8:29pm:

(I know it's you, Imp) Quote: Not even close. Let's get back on subject. Foolosophy has a reputation and integrity to withhold after all. Jesus - you are not telling me that Fool is NOT an act???

Correct.


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............is a total and unsalvagable drongo. He just has no intelligent bone in his body. What drives him is a big smacking hairy devil on his back, up his arse and chewing his ear, telling him what to think. He just can't possibly say something intelligent. The climate science thread is wrecked by this stupid CheDolf.

That one goes in the WTF thread.

Oh no the forum's bullies are ganging up on me

I dont know if I can handle the pressure from these intellectual and moral GIANTS of the modern era

;D

Global warming is one of the battles that we tend to end for but we cannot persevere to do it. I agree that global warming at the present times is one of the greatest crimes that we undauntedly committed  to the environment since we are partaking to destroy it and not worrying to kill for. How can we really help to eliminate this crime if we are insensitive enough to care for our environment? I guess we should start to act on ourselves for us to see the change that we want to see in the world. By doing such on the above pointers we are able to fight the battle positively. We should undoubtedly step up to our comfort zone to see our real dwelling place begging a help and to hear as well Mother Earth's soul crying because she is being drawn to a great destruction that we human had caused her. Climate change and global warming had conquered its long journey that until now it is persuasive for us human. Let me be the voice of change that could speak to human race to understand her and address her prominently.

Can you expand on that?