After a Green senator elect and a wannabe Green state MP have openly voiced their support for a total boycott on Israel, is it fair to suggest that the Greens are anti-semitic? If they are then they are dead and buried. Australians are very much against such attitudes.   If they fail to show the public otherwise they coudl die very fast.

It was also intereting to see that these two racist Greens failed to censure any of the multitude of psychopathic Islamic countries that surround israel where women are not even educated.

Thoughts?

Its amazing isnt it, The Greens and Laborites shrilL, attack or go on a SELF RIGHTOUS RANT against anyone talking against muslims, boat people.

AND YET THIS SAME LOT ARE INCREDIBLY SILENT AGAINST THE ANTI-SEMITES IN THE GREENS PARTY ????

TO ALL YOU LEFTIES, WHERE IS YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS RANTS AGAINST THAT GREEN RACIST LOON ????? YOUR SILENCE IS DEAFENING ???

HOW DARE YOU LEFTIES TO GO AND ACT SELF RIGHTEOUS, WHEN THIS HYPROCRISY IS CLEAR.

Well I guess white australians, westerners and jews are fair game to be racist against by the left

Geez, these self rightous lefties are such hypocrites, I will reference this story IF ANY LEFTIE DARES TO BE SELF RIGHTEOUS AGAIN.

stryder wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 7:47pm:

Its amazing isnt it, The Greens and Laborites shrilL, attack or go on a SELF RIGHTOUS RANT against anyone talking against muslims, boat people. AND YET THIS SAME LOT ARE INCREDIBLY SILENT AGAINST THE ANTI-SEMITES IN THE GREENS PARTY ???? TO ALL YOU LEFTIES, WHERE IS YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS RANTS AGAINST THAT GREEN RACIST LOON ????? YOUR SILENCE IS DEAFENING ??? HOW DARE YOU LEFTIES TO GO AND ACT SELF RIGHTEOUS, WHEN THIS HYPROCRISY IS CLEAR. Well I guess white australians, westerners and jews are fair game to be racist against by the left Geez, these self rightous lefties are such hypocrites, I will reference this story IF ANY LEFTIE DARES TO BE SELF RIGHTEOUS AGAIN.

left-wingers have usually been some of the most stridently racist and sexist people with bucket loads of discrimination at their command. They just call it something else. But it remains discrimination and racism.

This is one factor that really damaged Greens in NSW. take it nationally and it could skewer the Green vote.

I don't think they are. I think they are just applying a bit of a double standard. Bob certainly isn't interested in it.

stryder wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 7:47pm:

Its amazing isnt it, The Greens and Laborites shrilL, attack or go on a SELF RIGHTOUS RANT against anyone talking against muslims, boat people. AND YET THIS SAME LOT ARE INCREDIBLY SILENT AGAINST THE ANTI-SEMITES IN THE GREENS PARTY ???? TO ALL YOU LEFTIES, WHERE IS YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS RANTS AGAINST THAT GREEN RACIST LOON ????? YOUR SILENCE IS DEAFENING ??? HOW DARE YOU LEFTIES TO GO AND ACT SELF RIGHTEOUS, WHEN THIS HYPROCRISY IS CLEAR. Well I guess white australians, westerners and jews are fair game to be racist against by the left Geez, these self rightous lefties are such hypocrites, I will reference this story IF ANY LEFTIE DARES TO BE SELF RIGHTEOUS AGAIN.

All those capitals are making you look as silly as prevailing.
I believe I said Rhiannon(or however it's spelt ;)) was a nutbag in the thread on this a couple of days ago, the womens is the worst example of a Green there is & Bob Brown will rue the day she becomes a senator in our parliament.
All those years of hard graft to make the party more appealing to the mainstream gone.

I think there probably are quite a few Greens that are strongly anti-Zionist, and even some who are anti-Israel, but I could not imagine very many at all who would actually be anti-semitic,  the whole racist way of thinking goes against the core principles of most people that would vote green.

I think the argument itself is a little specious, and is not unlike when people were protesting against GW Bush, and were then labelled by some as anti-American, when they mostly had no issue with America per se, but just with the policies of the day.

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All those capitals are making you look as silly as prevailing

And some your of posts Dsmithy exhibits the stupidity that runs deep among all you Laborites, Stupidity that we come to laugh, loathe and HATE.

mozzaok wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 8:11pm:

I think there probably are quite a few Greens that are strongly anti-Zionist, and even some who are anti-Israel, but I could not imagine very many at all who would actually be anti-semitic,  the whole racist way of thinking goes against the core principles of most people that would vote green. I think the argument itself is a little specious, and is not unlike when people were protesting against GW Bush, and were then labelled by some as anti-American, when they mostly had no issue with America per se, but just with the policies of the day.

I think we have established that the guilt from WWII still runs deep and ANY critism of Israel no matter how soft or warranted causes immediate accusations of racism.
It's almost like an automatic self defense mechanism.

stryder wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 8:12pm:

Quote: All those capitals are making you look as silly as prevailing And some your of posts Dsmithy exhibits the stupidity that runs deep among all you Laborites, Stupidity that we come to laugh, loathe and HATE.

I'll wear that as a badge of honour, I got you to post with capitals in the correct grammatical places except for 1 word.
Well done your progessing ;)

Dammit smithy, you are tricking me into reading stryders posts.

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I'll wear that as a badge of honour, I got you to post with capitals in the correct grammatical places except for 1 word. Well done your progessing

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yeah Dsmithy, what ever you say.

Oh a badge of honour, too bad many australians at the moment are turned off Labor enough to not want to wear it as any badge of honour,  ;D ;D ;D ;D

stryder wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 8:54pm:

Quote: I'll wear that as a badge of honour, I got you to post with capitals in the correct grammatical places except for 1 word. Well done your progessing     ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Yeah Dsmithy, what ever you say. Oh a badge of honour, too bad many australians at the moment are turned off Labor enough to not want to wear it as any badge of honour,  ;D ;D ;D ;D

I love just because I think Tony's a mental case and bad for all of us as a nation that I automatically support Labor.
I think most know by now I want a Turnbull lead Liberal government.

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I love just because I think Tony's a mental case and bad for all of us as a nation that I automatically support Labor. I think most know by now I want a Turnbull lead Liberal government.

Turnball had his chance, but many liberals realise as well, we dont want another Malcolm Fraser, one was enough.

The problem with Turnball which isnt a problem with you, was that on one issue alone, Turnball didnt perform as an opposition leader, but rather as a carpet for Rudd to walk on,

He supported Rudds ETS without question, which at times made him more like Rudds deputy leader more so than Swan himself over climate change,

That spooked and p***ed off many liberals enough to have him removed, anyway in his time as opposition he failed to make a dent in Rudds popularity.

While Tony Abbott otherwise did.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 6:23pm:

After a Green senator elect and a wannabe Green state MP have openly voiced their support for a total boycott on Israel, is it fair to suggest that the Greens are anti-semitic? If they are then they are dead and buried. Australians are very much against such attitudes.   If they fail to show the public otherwise they coudl die very fast. It was also intereting to see that these two racist Greens failed to censure any of the multitude of psychopathic Islamic countries that surround israel where women are not even educated. Thoughts?

Longweekend - that's not Green policy & you know it.
You're just trying to stir up trouble - as usual.

stryder wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 9:11pm:

Quote: I love just because I think Tony's a mental case and bad for all of us as a nation that I automatically support Labor. I think most know by now I want a Turnbull lead Liberal government. Turnball had his chance, but many liberals realise as well, we dont want another Malcolm Fraser, one was enough. The problem with Turnball which isnt a problem with you, was that on one issue alone, Turnball didnt perform as an opposition leader, but rather as a carpet for Rudd to walk on, He supported Rudds ETS without question, which at times made him more like Rudds deputy leader more so than Swan himself over climate change, That spooked and p***ed off many liberals enough to have him removed, anyway in his time as opposition he failed to make a dent in Rudds popularity. While Tony Abbott otherwise did.

Turnbull supported the ETS because he knew it was the right thing to do.
The environment we leave to our children in which they have to live is above petty party politics.
Now I am guessing you believe it's all a load of tosh but I think otherwise.
You accuse Turnbull of being focused on one issue, can you name one issue that Tony is focused on?
And if your against action on climate change how can you support Tony as he apparently has an action plan for it too and his is just giving millions of taxpayer dollars to already immensly profitable companies.

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Turnbull supported the ETS because he knew it was the right thing to do.

YOU THINK ITS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, Many Australians dont, many australians are seeing there household budgets shrink under the rising cost of living and we have that red haired liar as PM saying that we need this carbon tax, TAX you get it, ???? how is a tax going to do something that astronomical, and none of you can answer that ??? on top of that there is no way to measure if this tax would really reverse the climate of our planet, it makes the whole idea crazy, there must be better ways to shift ourselves from one source of energy to another without taxing the crap out of people, and mind you this is followed up by a mining tax.

But then again Governments always look and scan for ways to tax us more and they have found one in Global warming/Climate change, the price for an awakened enviromental conscience.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 6:23pm:

After a Green senator elect and a wannabe Green state MP have openly voiced their support for a total boycott on Israel, is it fair to suggest that the Greens are anti-semitic? If they are then they are dead and buried. Australians are very much against such attitudes.   If they fail to show the public otherwise they coudl die very fast. It was also intereting to see that these two racist Greens failed to censure any of the multitude of psychopathic Islamic countries that surround israel where women are not even educated. Thoughts?

None on display in the opening post.

stryder wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 9:48pm:

Quote: Turnbull supported the ETS because he knew it was the right thing to do. YOU THINK ITS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, Many Australians dont, many australians are seeing there household budgets shrink under the rising cost of living and we have that red haired liar as PM saying that we need this carbon tax, TAX you get it, ???? how is a tax going to do something that astronomical, and none of you can answer that ??? on top of that there is no way to measure if this tax would really reverse the climate of our planet, it makes the whole idea crazy, there must be better ways to shift ourselves from one source of energy to another without taxing the crap out of people, and mind you this is followed up by a mining tax. But then again Governments always look and scan for ways to tax us more and they have found one in Global warming/Climate change, the price for an awakened enviromental conscious.

If you wish to discuss CC we should move it to one of the many threads on it.

First off, I don't think criticism of Israel is necessarily anti-semitic. This claim, along with wailing and moaning about how badly the Jews were treated in WWII,  has been used for far too long to stifle any criticism of Israel and its actions, in the same way the cty of 'racist' is used by the multiculti acolytes to stifle debate.

Having said that, the greens are a pack of self-important wankers who have a hugely over inflated sense of their relevance. Local councillors should be concentrating on roads, rates and rubbish, not on foreign policy. Play student politics in your own time retards, not  the taxpayers. :P

mozzaok wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 8:11pm:

I think there probably are quite a few Greens that are strongly anti-Zionist, and even some who are anti-Israel, but I could not imagine very many at all who would actually be anti-semitic,  the whole racist way of thinking goes against the core principles of most people that would vote green. I think the argument itself is a little specious, and is not unlike when people were protesting against GW Bush, and were then labelled by some as anti-American, when they mostly had no issue with America per se, but just with the policies of the day.

I had to laugh a little about this. anti-semitic vs anti-Israel. maybe you shoudl read up on some of the actions of the Green candidate amd mayor. She banned ALL contact and trade with Israel. She was in the process of identifying businesses that traded with Israel and was going to target them. As one commentator said, she might as well ahve demanded the companies have a star of david onthem. Sound a little familiar to you? and this same moron wanted it to be NSW govt policy.

While you are playing semantics I fail to read any condemnation of a policy that should be abhorrent to any thinking person, left right or centre.

Why is that so?

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 8:17pm:

mozzaok wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 8:11pm: I think there probably are quite a few Greens that are strongly anti-Zionist, and even some who are anti-Israel, but I could not imagine very many at all who would actually be anti-semitic,  the whole racist way of thinking goes against the core principles of most people that would vote green. I think the argument itself is a little specious, and is not unlike when people were protesting against GW Bush, and were then labelled by some as anti-American, when they mostly had no issue with America per se, but just with the policies of the day. I think we have established that the guilt from WWII still runs deep and ANY critism of Israel no matter how soft or warranted causes immediate accusations of racism. It's almost like an automatic self defense mechanism.

A simple solution to that is to perhaps think of Israel in the terms of the other countries in the region. Egypt, Syria, Libya, Jordan, etc. which ones are democratic? which one gives equal rights to women? Israel has much that is to be criticised, but by the standards of its region it is a shining light. To cast the stone ONLY at Israel is to demonstrate and attitude that can only be described as racism or in this case its unique form of the word - anti-semitism.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 11:14pm:

mozzaok wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 8:11pm: I think there probably are quite a few Greens that are strongly anti-Zionist, and even some who are anti-Israel, but I could not imagine very many at all who would actually be anti-semitic,  the whole racist way of thinking goes against the core principles of most people that would vote green. I think the argument itself is a little specious, and is not unlike when people were protesting against GW Bush, and were then labelled by some as anti-American, when they mostly had no issue with America per se, but just with the policies of the day. I had to laugh a little about this. anti-semitic vs anti-Israel. maybe you shoudl read up on some of the actions of the Green candidate amd mayor. She banned ALL contact and trade with Israel. She was in the process of identifying businesses that traded with Israel and was going to target them. As one commentator said, she might as well ahve demanded the companies have a star of david onthem. Sound a little familiar to you? and this same moron wanted it to be NSW govt policy. While you are playing semantics I fail to read any condemnation of a policy that should be abhorrent to any thinking person, left right or centre. Why is that so?

As a matter of interest , did australia ban ALL contact and trade with south africa during the apartheid years?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 9:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 6:23pm: After a Green senator elect and a wannabe Green state MP have openly voiced their support for a total boycott on Israel, is it fair to suggest that the Greens are anti-semitic? If they are then they are dead and buried. Australians are very much against such attitudes.   If they fail to show the public otherwise they coudl die very fast. It was also intereting to see that these two racist Greens failed to censure any of the multitude of psychopathic Islamic countries that surround israel where women are not even educated. Thoughts? Longweekend - that's not Green policy & you know it. You're just trying to stir up trouble - as usual.

You seem happy to quote tony abbots words and call them policies. Why cant I do the same with the Greens? What makes them so special that they can say apalling things and not be held to account? quite simpley, they cant. and the electors of NSW made that very very very clear.

darkhall67 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 9:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 6:23pm: After a Green senator elect and a wannabe Green state MP have openly voiced their support for a total boycott on Israel, is it fair to suggest that the Greens are anti-semitic? If they are then they are dead and buried. Australians are very much against such attitudes.   If they fail to show the public otherwise they coudl die very fast. It was also intereting to see that these two racist Greens failed to censure any of the multitude of psychopathic Islamic countries that surround israel where women are not even educated. Thoughts? None on display in the opening post.

so is that tacit support for the Greens comments or simply your embarrasment trying to find a way out of the problem?

Belgarion wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 10:17pm:

First off, I don't think criticism of Israel is necessarily anti-semitic. This claim, along with wailing and moaning about how badly the Jews were treated in WWII,  has been used for far too long to stifle any criticism of Israel and its actions, in the same way the cty of 'racist' is used by the multiculti acolytes to stifle debate. Having said that, the greens are a pack of self-important wankers who have a hugely over inflated sense of their relevance. Local councillors should be concentrating on roads, rates and rubbish, not on foreign policy. Play student politics in your own time retards, not  the taxpayers. :P

criticism is fine. but a local council organising a boycott against a single country is altogether different.

darkhall67 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 11:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 11:14pm: mozzaok wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 8:11pm: I think there probably are quite a few Greens that are strongly anti-Zionist, and even some who are anti-Israel, but I could not imagine very many at all who would actually be anti-semitic,  the whole racist way of thinking goes against the core principles of most people that would vote green. I think the argument itself is a little specious, and is not unlike when people were protesting against GW Bush, and were then labelled by some as anti-American, when they mostly had no issue with America per se, but just with the policies of the day. I had to laugh a little about this. anti-semitic vs anti-Israel. maybe you shoudl read up on some of the actions of the Green candidate amd mayor. She banned ALL contact and trade with Israel. She was in the process of identifying businesses that traded with Israel and was going to target them. As one commentator said, she might as well ahve demanded the companies have a star of david onthem. Sound a little familiar to you? and this same moron wanted it to be NSW govt policy. While you are playing semantics I fail to read any condemnation of a policy that should be abhorrent to any thinking person, left right or centre. Why is that so? As a matter of interest , did australia ban ALL contact and trade with south africa during the apartheid years?

the comparison is specious and disturbing.  

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 11:24pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 11:19pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 11:14pm: mozzaok wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 8:11pm: I think there probably are quite a few Greens that are strongly anti-Zionist, and even some who are anti-Israel, but I could not imagine very many at all who would actually be anti-semitic,  the whole racist way of thinking goes against the core principles of most people that would vote green. I think the argument itself is a little specious, and is not unlike when people were protesting against GW Bush, and were then labelled by some as anti-American, when they mostly had no issue with America per se, but just with the policies of the day. I had to laugh a little about this. anti-semitic vs anti-Israel. maybe you shoudl read up on some of the actions of the Green candidate amd mayor. She banned ALL contact and trade with Israel. She was in the process of identifying businesses that traded with Israel and was going to target them. As one commentator said, she might as well ahve demanded the companies have a star of david onthem. Sound a little familiar to you? and this same moron wanted it to be NSW govt policy. While you are playing semantics I fail to read any condemnation of a policy that should be abhorrent to any thinking person, left right or centre. Why is that so? As a matter of interest , did australia ban ALL contact and trade with south africa during the apartheid years? the comparison is specious and disturbing.

One group of people have more rights in a country than another group and that other group is treated as second class citizens.


A specious comparison?

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 6:23pm:

After a Green senator elect and a wannabe Green state MP have openly voiced their support for a total boycott on Israel, is it fair to suggest that the Greens are anti-semitic? If they are then they are dead and buried. Australians are very much against such attitudes.   If they fail to show the public otherwise they coudl die very fast. It was also intereting to see that these two racist Greens failed to censure any of the multitude of psychopathic Islamic countries that surround israel where women are not even educated. Thoughts?

The Greens have an ideological basis that is disturbingly similar to that of Nazi Policies.  They support an energy accounting system, they support Euthanasia carried out by the state on the sick, the disabled and dying, they are advocates of social and genetic engineering, scientific dictatorship through a carbon economy and a world imperial Government. :)

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 11:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 9:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 6:23pm: After a Green senator elect and a wannabe Green state MP have openly voiced their support for a total boycott on Israel, is it fair to suggest that the Greens are anti-semitic? If they are then they are dead and buried. Australians are very much against such attitudes.   If they fail to show the public otherwise they coudl die very fast. It was also intereting to see that these two racist Greens failed to censure any of the multitude of psychopathic Islamic countries that surround israel where women are not even educated. Thoughts? Longweekend - that's not Green policy & you know it. You're just trying to stir up trouble - as usual. You seem happy to quote tony abbots words and call them policies. Why cant I do the same with the Greens? What makes them so special that they can say apalling things and not be held to account? quite simpley, they cant. and the electors of NSW made that very very very clear.

Longweekend,
I don't quote Abbott ever - he's nothing but a babbling buffoon -
a bit like you.  ;D

The Libbos need to find someone presentable or they'll lose again.  ;D

Being critical of Israel is not anti-semitism.

If only the USA would be more critical of Israel in the past, instead of being apologists and molly coddlers, maybe we could see the problem in Palestine being resolved.

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And if your against action on climate change how can you support Tony as he apparently has an action plan for it too and his is just giving millions of taxpayer dollars to already immensely profitable companies.

Smithy

He also had an action plan for the national broadband network, which was to give Billions of taxpayer dollars, to already immensely profitable companies.

Are we seeing a pattern?

Please delete wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2011 at 7:05am:

Being critical of Israel is not anti-semitism. If only the USA would be more critical of Israel in the past, instead of being apologists and molly coddlers, maybe we could see the problem in Palestine being resolved.

and yet none of you ever criticise the psychotic regimes that surrouns Israel. Why is that? it is not the criticism of Israel I am concerned about; it is the toal lack of any semblance of balance on the issue.

mozzaok wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2011 at 7:31am:

Quote: And if your against action on climate change how can you support Tony as he apparently has an action plan for it too and his is just giving millions of taxpayer dollars to already immensely profitable companies. Smithy He also had an action plan for the national broadband network, which was to give Billions of taxpayer dollars, to already immensely profitable companies. Are we seeing a pattern?

the 'pattern' is that if howards contracts to fix the broadband network had been kept we would now have 93% of australians with broadband. paid for and actually finished!

That's like criticizing prevailing - what value does it add? It's a given.

But missing always from these discussions is an acknowledgement of why the palestinians dislike Israel.

No-one in an invaded land likes the invader, no one can be totally comfortable with an occupier, and no-one should support a brutal regime - people who have choices but always choose the option that disaffects the palestinians.

If you want people like me to start every commentary about Israel with a denunciation of their arab neighbours, then you should expect any commentary of arab nations with a denunciation of Israel.

Please delete wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2011 at 7:59am:

That's like criticizing prevailing - what value does it add? It's a given. But missing always from these discussions is an acknowledgement of why the palestinians dislike Israel. No-one in an invaded land likes the invader, no one can be totally comfortable with an occupier, and no-one should support a brutal regime - people who have choices but always choose the option that disaffects the palestinians. If you want people like me to start every commentary about Israel with a denunciation of their arab neighbours, then you should expect any commentary of arab nations with a denunciation of Israel.

the situation is not simple or one-sided. The complaint is that these sorts of things are ALWAYS targetted at Israel. are the Green morons suggesting that we make a list of countries with domestic and foreign policies we dont like and then boycott all of them? no. it is israel and only israel. We trade with a lot of countires that are undemocratic. imprison and murder its own citizens and alot worse. Why not target them? I call the Greens comments anti-semitic simply because they are. If there was similar commments about turkey or iran or libya or venezuala or myanmar etc they might have a point. But for now it is nothing more than sheer anti-semitism.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2011 at 8:07am:

Please delete wrote on Apr 3rd, 2011 at 7:59am: That's like criticizing prevailing - what value does it add? It's a given. But missing always from these discussions is an acknowledgement of why the palestinians dislike Israel. No-one in an invaded land likes the invader, no one can be totally comfortable with an occupier, and no-one should support a brutal regime - people who have choices but always choose the option that disaffects the palestinians. If you want people like me to start every commentary about Israel with a denunciation of their arab neighbours, then you should expect any commentary of arab nations with a denunciation of Israel. the situation is not simple or one-sided. The complaint is that these sorts of things are ALWAYS targetted at Israel. are the Green morons suggesting that we make a list of countries with domestic and foreign policies we dont like and then boycott all of them? no. it is israel and only israel. We trade with a lot of countires that are undemocratic. imprison and murder its own citizens and alot worse. Why not target them? I call the Greens comments anti-semitic simply because they are. If there was similar commments about turkey or iran or libya or venezuala or myanmar etc they might have a point. But for now it is nothing more than sheer anti-semitism.

The arabs didn't always hate the jews - that would be anti-semitic. People like me didn't always look suspiciously at Israel, but the decades have passed, and they have acted like occupiers rather than benificent friends.

I'm relatively anti-israel, but not anti-semitic. It's wrong for you to portray anti israeli political positions as anti semitic.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2011 at 7:54am:

mozzaok wrote on Apr 3rd, 2011 at 7:31am: Quote: And if your against action on climate change how can you support Tony as he apparently has an action plan for it too and his is just giving millions of taxpayer dollars to already immensely profitable companies. Smithy He also had an action plan for the national broadband network, which was to give Billions of taxpayer dollars, to already immensely profitable companies. Are we seeing a pattern? the 'pattern' is that if howards contracts to fix the broadband network had been kept we would now have 93% of australians with broadband. paid for and actually finished!

I will leave you to revel in your fantasies longy, and do not wish to derail this thread by going over barren ground, my point was that Abbott's answers too often, are to just throw money at the big corporations who helped cause the problems in the first place, which is a good indication of his lack of vision, and his lack of imagination, not to mention other deficiencies.

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I'm relatively anti-israel, but not anti-semitic. It's wrong for you to portray anti israeli political positions as anti semitic.

So anyway your against an entire bunch of jews who happens to occupy and live in the area that we know as the holy land and they dont say that for nothing with that unique history which has led to the creation of 3 major religous faiths.

The point is Israel believes it has a claim to that piece of land just like the palestinians do, in there stories it was a land promised to them by God through Abraham, whether its true or not, THE ISRAELIS BELIEVE IT and they are not going to just get up and leave the land after being there for nearly a century, because you think its all wrong.

Longy is exactly right this issue is not so one sided and it is complex, there is no easy solution in the near horizen, despite the efforts of each american president.

Please delete wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2011 at 8:10am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 3rd, 2011 at 8:07am: Please delete wrote on Apr 3rd, 2011 at 7:59am: That's like criticizing prevailing - what value does it add? It's a given. But missing always from these discussions is an acknowledgement of why the palestinians dislike Israel. No-one in an invaded land likes the invader, no one can be totally comfortable with an occupier, and no-one should support a brutal regime - people who have choices but always choose the option that disaffects the palestinians. If you want people like me to start every commentary about Israel with a denunciation of their arab neighbours, then you should expect any commentary of arab nations with a denunciation of Israel. the situation is not simple or one-sided. The complaint is that these sorts of things are ALWAYS targetted at Israel. are the Green morons suggesting that we make a list of countries with domestic and foreign policies we dont like and then boycott all of them? no. it is israel and only israel. We trade with a lot of countires that are undemocratic. imprison and murder its own citizens and alot worse. Why not target them? I call the Greens comments anti-semitic simply because they are. If there was similar commments about turkey or iran or libya or venezuala or myanmar etc they might have a point. But for now it is nothing more than sheer anti-semitism. The arabs didn't always hate the jews - that would be anti-semitic. People like me didn't always look suspiciously at Israel, but the decades have passed, and they have acted like occupiers rather than benificent friends. I'm relatively anti-israel, but not anti-semitic. It's wrong for you to portray anti israeli political positions as anti semitic.

seriously, where did you pick that up from?

http://www.soundvision.com/Info/politics/jewhistory.asp

Try here longweekend. One examle I find on my first search, which even you could have done.

Damn you're a bitter man.

"So what were Arab-Jewish relations like historically? Again there are two extreme competing answers to this question. On one view, Jews and Christians enjoyed the status of a 'protected' minority under Islam, and the Jews in Muslim Spain enjoyed a golden age of peace and prosperity. Others argue that Jews and Christians were 'protected' only from extermination and were never anything but second-class.

Muslims took control of the Middle East through [jihad ­ religious wars of conquest. The indigenous Christians and Jews were spared conversion and death if they abided by certain terms of a dhimma agreement. They had to pay a special tax, the jizya, cede the centre of the road to Muslims, ride only donkeys, not horses. They could not build a synagogue taller than a mosque, could not testify against Muslims in court, could not bear arms, and had to wear distinctive clothing. In short, their status was one of institutionalized inferiority and humiliation."

A more complex answer, but nonetheless.

http://zionism-israel.com/israel_news/2010/01/arab-jewish-relations-under-islamic.html

Although not the only cause, a large part of the deterioration in Muslim-Jewish relations comes from the emergence of Zionism, the forced expulsion of Palestinians from their homeland by Zionist Jews and British colonizers, as well as their continuing oppression.

Siddiqi says, "while this reaction results in anti-Jewish feeling it must be seen in its proper historical context. It must be remembered that anti-Jewish sentiments in so far as it is to be found in the contemporary Arab world is strictly a modern phenomenon and one that runs counter to the time honored Islamic tradition of fraternity and tolerance.

"The very widespread popular notion that present day Arab-Jewish hostility is but another chapter in a long history of mutual animosity is totally false. If there is one thing the past makes clear it is precisely that Arabs and Jews can live together peacefully and in a mutually beneficial relationship. History also makes it very clear that they are the heirs to the Islamic tradition of openness and tolerance."

http://www.islam101.com/humanRelations/mjhist.htm

ernie footbru, what is the logic in going over colonial history. If we do that we might as well be honest and say that the British ought to have stayed in Africa for another hundred years to give the locals a better chance of becoming civilised.
What we've got is Israel, a functioning democracy and successful economy, in the midst of a sea of hatred, typical Arab irrationality or even in-bred lunacy if you will, trying to survive a never-ending war of terror. Remember they never attacked their neighbours, they have always been the attackees.
And then we've got these shining lights of the future - the Greens - who, contrary to what mozzaok says, have enough anti-semite sentiment among them that at least two of their species have wormed their way to the top as candidates to espouse views of which Josef Goebbels would be proud.

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2011 at 11:48am:

ernie footbru, what is the logic in going over colonial history. If we do that we might as well be honest and say that the British ought to have stayed in Africa for another hundred years to give the locals a better chance of becoming civilised. What we've got is Israel, a functioning democracy and successful economy, in the midst of a sea of hatred, typical Arab irrationality or even in-bred lunacy if you will, trying to survive a never-ending war of terror. Remember they never attacked their neighbours, they have always been the attackees. And then we've got these shining lights of the future - the Greens - who, contrary to what mozzaok says, have enough anti-semite sentiment among them that at least two of their species have wormed their way to the top as candidates to espouse views of which Josef Goebbels would be proud.

Because to find a solution to need to understand the problem.
The problem isn't 65 years old it's alot longer.
And also I think you'll find that the Jews were the original terrorists bombing British police stations etc in the years of debate about forming their state.

And what is it with all the Nazi's references lately?
Bolt did it on Insiders this morning too "1933 Germany"
Haven't you guys heard that the 1st to bring them or Hilter up in a debate loses?

That said before I'm accused of being an Arab loving Jew hater,Rhiannon is a dangerous fruitloop.

Well you have no argument from me on your last statement.

I think Pro-Semitic Australians are a (USA/UK) 'influenced' Minority, here in Australia ...only backed by Television.
Most Australians are Pro-Arabic, especially via the Internet - just take a look at all the Islamic Topics, Threads here.

I remember a Bridge collapsing in Israel and the orders were given to rescue the Australians last (because they harbour friendship with Moslems, etc).

Its sad to see :( But it seems that North America has been empowered by Jews, as we all know and Australia will eventually 'crack' to admit that it is empowered by Moslems.
Religion will be corrupted as if to say these two Continents are now the NEW HOLY LANDS, etc of these two Monotheisms, but alas ...even this is not the truth of the matter, either.
Even now Moslems state that Australia is their Promised Land. ::)

Most of the Judaistic Religion has themed itself upon two factors based upon Asian culture: Cities and Sport
Most of the Mohommedistic Religion has themed itself upon two factors based upon the African culture: Land and Mathematics.
...so you can see the 'similarity' between the Greens (protect the Land) and the Moslems (the Holy Land, because Jews are all about Holy City really). Hence why they are easily percieved as ANTI-SEMITIC.

I think the issue overall is pathetic. The Greens should stick to their strengths though and forget about Israel altogether in a far better fashion than just opposing.

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2011 at 11:48am:

ernie footbru, what is the logic in going over colonial history. If we do that we might as well be honest and say that the British ought to have stayed in Africa for another hundred years to give the locals a better chance of becoming civilised. What we've got is Israel, a functioning democracy and successful economy, in the midst of a sea of hatred, typical Arab irrationality or even in-bred lunacy if you will, trying to survive a never-ending war of terror. Remember they never attacked their neighbours, they have always been the attackees. And then we've got these shining lights of the future - the Greens - who, contrary to what mozzaok says, have enough anti-semite sentiment among them that at least two of their species have wormed their way to the top as candidates to espouse views of which Josef Goebbels would be proud.

My name is ernie.

Longweekend asked me a question, and I answered it.

Jasignature, your true colours have emerged at last and they are not pleasant.

Funny. I didn't "associate" myself with either view.

"My name is ernie."

You positive you're not footbru? I could have sworn you were my old mate footbru.
Same dogmatic outlook, sharp rapier wit.

mozzaok wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 8:11pm:

I think there probably are quite a few Greens that are strongly anti-Zionist, and even some who are anti-Israel, but I could not imagine very many at all who would actually be anti-semitic,  the whole racist way of thinking goes against the core principles of most people that would vote green.

And yet, those with NO respect for the environment do all they can in trying to bundle together anti-semitism with anti-Zionism in an attemt to smear those who DO  





It has ALWAYS baffled me - as to the driving force behind those who see the air they breathe as the enemy ?

stryder wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 7:47pm:

Its amazing isnt it, The Greens and Laborites shrilL, attack or go on a SELF RIGHTOUS RANT against anyone talking against muslims, boat people. AND YET THIS SAME LOT ARE INCREDIBLY SILENT AGAINST THE ANTI-SEMITES IN THE GREENS PARTY ????

The Greens don't HAVE "ANTI-SEMITES"
SOME of them, though not party policy, have an ANTI-ZIONIST stance

Mr Dictionary will let you know the difference

[quote]The Greens don't HAVE "ANTI-SEMITES"
SOME of them, though not party policy, have an ANTI-ZIONIST stance

Mr Dictionary will let you know the difference


[quote]

Are you sure about that, ??? Buzzzzzz oh Mr self righteous,

Remember Buzz if ever get self righteous against those who wanna debate against muslims, I WILL REFERENCE THIS STORY.

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The Greens don't HAVE "ANTI-SEMITES" SOME of them, though not party policy, have an ANTI-ZIONIST stance

How do you know that ??? how do you really know that ??? YOU DONT KNOW ANYMORE than anyone who dont know how many muslims hate australians ?? If that Green candiate was so confident to speak out against Israel in such a way and push for a trade embargo against it, that must mean there is an audience out there amongst green supporters who are against Israel, how do we know how far each of them dislike the Israelis or jews, you cant tell me otherwise. except talking through your a***e

Geez the way that Green candidate sounded maybe the next step for the Australian Greens is to open diplomatic channels with terrorist outfits such as HAMMAS and HEZBOLLAH,

stryder wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2011 at 4:33pm:

Quote: The Greens don't HAVE "ANTI-SEMITES" SOME of them, though not party policy, have an ANTI-ZIONIST stance How do you know that ??? how do you really know that ??? YOU DONT KNOW ANYMORE than anyone who dont know how many muslims hate australians ?? If that Green candiate was so confident to speak out against Israel in such a way and push for a trade embargo against it, that must mean there is an audience out there amongst green supporters who are against Israel, how do we know how far each of them dislike the Israelis or jews, you cant tell me otherwise. except talking through your a***e

Opposing Israel is NOT "anti-semetic"
It is anti-ZIONIST


You people are  in DIRE NEED of an education


Many a Jew is anti-Zionist



Jews Against the Occupation – Sydney

http://jao.org.au/



Can a Jew be an anti-semite ?

stryder wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2011 at 4:26pm:

[quote]The Greens don't HAVE "ANTI-SEMITES" SOME of them, though not party policy, have an ANTI-ZIONIST stance Mr Dictionary will let you know the difference [quote] Are you sure about that, ??? Buzzzzzz oh Mr self righteous,

100%

Look it UP
You MAY learn something

Just for the record i'm Anti-Equatorial Guinea

I thought the Greens were the Jews?

Quote:

100% Look it UP You MAY learn something

For some reason I cant access this link, but you seem pretty presumptous,  AS IF YOU KNOW THE WHOLE GREEN MOVEMENT,


AND ONE THING BUZZ, SINCE YOURE AN IGNORANT LEFTIE THAT CONSTRAINS YOU FROM LEARNING A DAMN THING.

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2011 at 12:13pm:

I think Pro-Semitic Australians are a (USA/UK) 'influenced' Minority, here in Australia ...only backed by Television. Most Australians are Pro-Arabic, especially via the Internet - just take a look at all the Islamic Topics, Threads here.I remember a Bridge collapsing in Israel and the orders were given to rescue the Australians last (because they harbour friendship with Moslems, etc). Its sad to see :( But it seems that North America has been empowered by Jews, as we all know and Australia will eventually 'crack' to admit that it is empowered by Moslems. Religion will be corrupted as if to say these two Continents are now the NEW HOLY LANDS, etc of these two Monotheisms, but alas ...even this is not the truth of the matter, either. Even now Moslems state that Australia is their Promised Land. ::) Most of the Judaistic Religion has themed itself upon two factors based upon Asian culture: Cities and Sport Most of the Mohommedistic Religion has themed itself upon two factors based upon the African culture: Land and Mathematics. ...so you can see the 'similarity' between the Greens (protect the Land) and the Moslems (the Holy Land, because Jews are all about Holy City really). Hence why they are easily percieved as ANTI-SEMITIC. I think the issue overall is pathetic. The Greens should stick to their strengths though and forget about Israel altogether in a far better fashion than just opposing.

good grief... it isnt true just because you 'read it on the internet'. Australia is an overwhelmingly pro-israel country. if the Greens become even slightly anti-Israel, their vote will evaporate overnight. Even our resident Greenies admit that!

Quote:

Opposing Israel is NOT "anti-semetic" It is anti-ZIONIST

Really well the line gets blurred VERY EASY between anti- semitism and anti- zionism, and both of it exist in the left, No denying it.

stryder wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2011 at 8:45pm:

Quote: Opposing Israel is NOT "anti-semetic" It is anti-ZIONIST Really well the line gets blurred VERY EASY between anti- semitism and anti- zionism, and both of it exist in the left, No denying it.

I'm sure they DO
But you will find anti-semetism FAR MORE prevalent at the TOP end of town ...



Canada – Conviction against a Golf Club that Refused to Admit Jews

The judge in a Toronto court handed down a decision requiring the prestigious Rosedale Gulf Club, that has been in operation for 111 years, to pay damages amounting to $370,000 to Michael Geluch, who had been dismissed from his position as General Manager of the club 1997 after he had tried to change the anti-Jewish policies that had been in place since the club opened. Geluch claimed that in the past the club had refused to admit George Cohon as a member on the grounds that it "would bring a flood of other Jews" into the club. He tried to change that and was fired. Since them Cohon, Chair of McDonald's Canada, has been admitted to the club.

http://www.antisemitism.org.il/article/52216/canada-%E2%80%93-conviction-against-golf-club-refused-admit-jews



A few points to ponder  ...

Was Hitler from the "far right" ... or the "far left" ?


Does the re-badged National Front (now known as the British Nationalist Party - or BNP) sit on the left or right of politics ?

Quote:

Was Hitler from the "far right" ... or the "far left" ? Does the re-badged National Front (now known as the British Nationalist Party - or BNP) sit on the left or right of politics ?

I dont think I have ever denied that there are extreme elements and nutjobs on the right, but at the same time there are just as equal extreme elements and nutjobs on the left as well,

Extremism exists on both ends of the political spectrum ?? I fail to see your point, Buzzzzz

stryder wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2011 at 9:49pm:

Quote: Was Hitler from the "far right" ... or the "far left" ? Does the re-badged National Front (now known as the British Nationalist Party - or BNP) sit on the left or right of politics ? I dont think I have ever denied that there are extreme elements and nutjobs on the right, but at the same time there are just as equal extreme elements and nutjobs on the left as well, Extremism exists on both ends of the political spectrum ?? I fail to see your point, Buzzzzz

My point IS (and BACK ON TOPIC), anti-semitism is a trait more to the RIGHT of society - than the LEFT

Quote:

My point IS (and BACK ON TOPIC), anti-semitism is a trait more to the RIGHT of society - than the LEFT

And there is pro palestinian elements in the left that probably would tolerate HAMAS policy of aggresion towards Israel would have widespread support among those lefties who dont mind flirting with other EXTREMISTS.

Quote:

Was Hitler from the "far right" ... or the "far left" ?

Historical revisionism post 9/11 would have you believe that Hitler was actually lefty.

The closer they get, the harder they deny.