Apparently, Antony Green has tipped that the Greens will soon have their first NSW MP...

This from the ABC...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/04/01/3179556.htm


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Greens close in on Balmain victory Updated 10 hours 9 minutes ago The New South Wales Greens are inching closer to their first seat in the state's Lower House as vote counting from last Saturday's election continues. With 100 per cent of primary votes in all electorates now counted, the final make-up of the Legislative Assembly looks likely to be 69 seats for the Coalition, 20 for Labor, three independents and one Green. The Greens candidate for Balmain, Leichhardt Mayor Jamie Parker, has now overtaken sitting Labor MP Verity Firth to sit in second place on primary votes. It is expected the distribution of preferences will allow Mr Parker to overtake Liberal candidate James Falk to win the seat. "I'm hopeful and it is an incredibly frustrating process, but it just pays to be patient and we'll just have to wait and see what the result is," Mr Parker said. "I think all the candidates are feeling the same way. They're wanting to see a result but we do want the process to be done correctly and so it's being done methodically and it just takes as long as it takes." A victory in Balmain would help dispel disappointment for the Greens over the party's failure to win the neighbouring seat of Marrickville from former health minister Carmel Tebbutt. The Liberals have claimed victory in the last two seats that had been undecided in the Hunter Valley. Newcastle's Labor MP Jodie McKay conceded defeat to Tim Owens last yesterday while Garry Edwards has taken Swansea from another ALP member, Robert Coombs. Meanwhile the post-political life of former Labor powerbroker Joe Tripodi has hit an early hitch. The 43-year-old was stopped by police on Tuesday afternoon and fined for talking on his mobile phone while driving in Canley Heights, in Sydney's south-west.

Sorry, Bogey, I just happened across your OP from yesterday...

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1301546555


bogarde73 wrote on Mar 31^st, 2011 at 2:42pm:

Race for Balmain getting closer Elections 31 Mar 11 @ 09:17am by Lauren Murada   WHILE Liberal James Falk is set to take first place in the primary count, the race for second place between Labor’s Verity Firth and Greens’ Jamie Parker is getting closer. At last count, 7.40am today, less than 50 votes separated the pair. With 85 per cent of votes counted Mr Falk was in the lead with 14,124 primary votes, Ms Firth in second with 13,094 and Mr Parker in a close third with 13,047. Ms Firth is still in the lead to take the seat however, ahead of Mr Falk after preferences at 50.5 per cent of the vote. The vote after preferences could change however if Mr Parker finishes in second place. Votes will continue to be tallied until the first two positions have been decided and preferences can distributed to decide the winner.                              ********************** What kind of a stupid voting system do we have when it comes down to who finishes second or third!

That's what we want -  a Green in a parliament that is 70% conservative.  It will be a daily exercise in ridiculing and withering that Green.

<Sorry, Bogey, I just happened across your OP from yesterday...>

That's OK nemesis, it is your party which looks to have won so you deserve to be the one who crows over it. Am I to take it you are another one like buzz who has now deserted Labor for the murky waters of the Greens? Be careful, you don't know what might be under the surface.

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Am I to take it you are another one like buzz who has now deserted Labor for the murky waters of the Greens? Be careful, you don't know what might be under the surface.

I thought Equitist was always a Greens supporter through and through, I think Labor is his second choice.

The Greens have already put someone into the federal lower house for NSW:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Organ

Interesting take. Perhaps this explains the constant cries that the Greens are doing badly, despite increasing their share of the vote:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/green-dream-turns-to-ashes/story-e6frg6z6-1226030941481

Expectations management is something the Greens clearly have to learn. The party has a habit of talking itself into a situation where solid minor party performances are viewed as failure.

"It can seem strange that we are debating a minor party's 'failed' election effort when they hit 35 per cent [primary vote in Marrickville], an impressive result for a small party at the best of times," Stott Despoja says.

Don't tell me the lovely Stott Despoja is planning a reincarnation as a Green.

You cant expect anything but trouble from preferencing dangerous fringe fanatic groups like the Greensv - trust your instincts, demand better from the major parties, insist apon it, fight for it, but dont open the door to unhinged groups like Bob Browns. :)

Prevailing wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 2:40pm:

You cant expect anything but trouble from preferencing dangerous fringe fanatic groups like the Greensv - trust your instincts, demand better from the major parties, insist apon it, fight for it, but dont open the door to unhinged groups like Bob Browns. :)

No surprise that you hate a democratically elected party.

skippy. wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 2:44pm:

Prevailing wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 2:40pm: You cant expect anything but trouble from preferencing dangerous fringe fanatic groups like the Greensv - trust your instincts, demand better from the major parties, insist apon it, fight for it, but dont open the door to unhinged groups like Bob Browns. :) No surprise that you hate a democratically elected party.

Well I would describe them as an offensive rabble of extremist radicals whose general psychological profile is psychopathic, socially destabilizing, vindictive and harmful - I do not see them in any positive democratic light. :)

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Well I would describe them as an offensive rabble of extremist radicals whose general psychological profile is psychopathic, socially destabilizing, vindictive and harmful - I do not see them in any positive democratic light.

Interesting, that is how most people here see you, the interesting thing is be they left or right, they still think you are a dangerous loonie .

Oh what a shame! I thought we had lost the ever entertaining and informative skippy to the new politics website.

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 3:14pm:

Oh what a shame! I thought we had lost the ever entertaining and informative skippy to the new politics website.

What new website?

Prevailing wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 3:07pm:

skippy. wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 2:44pm: Prevailing wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 2:40pm: You cant expect anything but trouble from preferencing dangerous fringe fanatic groups like the Greensv - trust your instincts, demand better from the major parties, insist apon it, fight for it, but dont open the door to unhinged groups like Bob Browns. :) No surprise that you hate a democratically elected party. Well I would describe them as an offensive rabble of extremist radicals whose general psychological profile is psychopathic, socially destabilizing, vindictive and harmful - I do not see them in any positive democratic light. :)

You know who you remind me of Snickers, the Tea Party nuts in the USA.
If as you say you are disabled, a Tony Abbott lead liberal party is the last thing you need in your life.
The Greens and Labor are much more sympathetic to your needs than Abbott ever will be.
With Tony you might find yourself having to move away from your support base to take a crappy low paying job in the middle of no where, or lose your benefit.
Just going on his musings so far ;)

Like those low socioeconomic people in the USA screaming for the republicans................madness

If as you say you are disabled, a Tony Abbott lead liberal party is the last thing you need in your life.
The Greens and Labor are much more sympathetic to your needs than Abbott ever will be.




At least Abbott won't have him euthanased for being a drain on the public purse.

nichy wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 5:26pm:

If as you say you are disabled, a Tony Abbott lead liberal party is the last thing you need in your life. The Greens and Labor are much more sympathetic to your needs than Abbott ever will be. At least Abbott won't have him euthanased for being a drain on the public purse.

Thats what he keeps spewing, where do you come up with that.
Please point me to a link or article ...anything where Labor or the Greens have said they will kill the disabled.

You like to pretend their is a distinction in the Political class but we know better, we know they fight for a Eugenic logic and a welfare for the fittest agenda - all of them.  Our role is to fight that whoever is advocating it - Greens, Lib, Lab and expose the Holocaust deniers as they present themselves.  The state and doctors will never have the moral mandate to legally kill the disabled - it will always be a crime against humanity.

It is also a lie to call the disabled a drain on the public purse - social security is the legal right of all people as is social equality. :)

Prevailing wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 5:42pm:

You like to pretend their is a distinction in the Political class but we know better, we know they fight for a Eugenic logic and a welfare for the fittest agenda - all of them.  Our role is to fight that whoever is advocating it - Greens, Lib, Lab and expose the Holocaust deniers as they present themselves.  The state and doctors will never have the moral mandate to legally kill the disabled - it will always be a crime against humanity. It is also a lie to call the disabled a drain on the public purse - social security is the legal right of all people as is social equality. :)

Seriously Nich you want to throw your hat in with this?

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 5:46pm:

Prevailing wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 5:42pm: You like to pretend their is a distinction in the Political class but we know better, we know they fight for a Eugenic logic and a welfare for the fittest agenda - all of them.  Our role is to fight that whoever is advocating it - Greens, Lib, Lab and expose the Holocaust deniers as they present themselves.  The state and doctors will never have the moral mandate to legally kill the disabled - it will always be a crime against humanity. It is also a lie to call the disabled a drain on the public purse - social security is the legal right of all people as is social equality. :) Seriously Nich you want to throw your hat in with this?

You should be silent you are an ignorant ill mannered hate monger. :)

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 1:51pm:

The Greens have already put someone into the federal lower house for NSW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Organ Interesting take. Perhaps this explains the constant cries that the Greens are doing badly, despite increasing their share of the vote: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/green-dream-turns-to-ashes/story-e6frg6z6-1226030941481 Expectations management is something the Greens clearly have to learn. The party has a habit of talking itself into a situation where solid minor party performances are viewed as failure. "It can seem strange that we are debating a minor party's 'failed' election effort when they hit 35 per cent [primary vote in Marrickville], an impressive result for a small party at the best of times," Stott Despoja says.

LOL now you are quoting the views of a woman whose leadership destroyed the Democrats.

Credible analysts - eg NOT Natasha Spott-remover - are pointing to a poor result for the Greens. Even Bob Brown is saying the same thing.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 5:53pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 1:51pm: The Greens have already put someone into the federal lower house for NSW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Organ Interesting take. Perhaps this explains the constant cries that the Greens are doing badly, despite increasing their share of the vote: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/green-dream-turns-to-ashes/story-e6frg6z6-1226030941481 Expectations management is something the Greens clearly have to learn. The party has a habit of talking itself into a situation where solid minor party performances are viewed as failure. "It can seem strange that we are debating a minor party's 'failed' election effort when they hit 35 per cent [primary vote in Marrickville], an impressive result for a small party at the best of times," Stott Despoja says. LOL now you are quoting the views of a woman whose leadership destroyed the Democrats. Credible analysts - eg NOT Natasha Spott-remover - are pointing to a poor result for the Greens. Even Bob Brown is saying the same thing.

Oh and Michael Organ LOST his seat in 2004...and he was Federal...NOT State...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 5:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 5:53pm: freediver wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 1:51pm: The Greens have already put someone into the federal lower house for NSW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Organ Interesting take. Perhaps this explains the constant cries that the Greens are doing badly, despite increasing their share of the vote: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/green-dream-turns-to-ashes/story-e6frg6z6-1226030941481 Expectations management is something the Greens clearly have to learn. The party has a habit of talking itself into a situation where solid minor party performances are viewed as failure. "It can seem strange that we are debating a minor party's 'failed' election effort when they hit 35 per cent [primary vote in Marrickville], an impressive result for a small party at the best of times," Stott Despoja says. LOL now you are quoting the views of a woman whose leadership destroyed the Democrats. Credible analysts - eg NOT Natasha Spott-remover - are pointing to a poor result for the Greens. Even Bob Brown is saying the same thing. Oh and Michael Organ LOST his seat in 2004...and he was Federal...NOT State...

not how desperate they are to try and describe the NSW debacle as a 'success'?

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 5:53pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 1:51pm: The Greens have already put someone into the federal lower house for NSW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Organ Interesting take. Perhaps this explains the constant cries that the Greens are doing badly, despite increasing their share of the vote: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/green-dream-turns-to-ashes/story-e6frg6z6-1226030941481 Expectations management is something the Greens clearly have to learn. The party has a habit of talking itself into a situation where solid minor party performances are viewed as failure. "It can seem strange that we are debating a minor party's 'failed' election effort when they hit 35 per cent [primary vote in Marrickville], an impressive result for a small party at the best of times," Stott Despoja says. LOL now you are quoting the views of a woman whose leadership destroyed the Democrats. Credible analysts - eg NOT Natasha Spott-remover - are pointing to a poor result for the Greens. Even Bob Brown is saying the same thing.

I think you'll find it was MEG Lee's decision to back the GST that destroyed the Democrates.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 6:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 5:53pm: freediver wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 1:51pm: The Greens have already put someone into the federal lower house for NSW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Organ Interesting take. Perhaps this explains the constant cries that the Greens are doing badly, despite increasing their share of the vote: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/green-dream-turns-to-ashes/story-e6frg6z6-1226030941481 Expectations management is something the Greens clearly have to learn. The party has a habit of talking itself into a situation where solid minor party performances are viewed as failure. "It can seem strange that we are debating a minor party's 'failed' election effort when they hit 35 per cent [primary vote in Marrickville], an impressive result for a small party at the best of times," Stott Despoja says. LOL now you are quoting the views of a woman whose leadership destroyed the Democrats. Credible analysts - eg NOT Natasha Spott-remover - are pointing to a poor result for the Greens. Even Bob Brown is saying the same thing. I think you'll find it was MEG Lee's decision to back the GST that destroyed the Democrates.

and as we've argued before I disagree. Spott-remover took the party quite left-wing after 30 years of succeeding as a genuine CENTRE party. The GST was interesting example tho. The Greens will face a similar problem withthe carbon tax. it could be the single big issue that polarises the electorate. It could be the Greens shining moment or the one that destroys them. Based onthe NSW experience, the latter is more likely.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2011 at 7:22pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 6:19pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 5:53pm: freediver wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 1:51pm: The Greens have already put someone into the federal lower house for NSW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Organ Interesting take. Perhaps this explains the constant cries that the Greens are doing badly, despite increasing their share of the vote: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/green-dream-turns-to-ashes/story-e6frg6z6-1226030941481 Expectations management is something the Greens clearly have to learn. The party has a habit of talking itself into a situation where solid minor party performances are viewed as failure. "It can seem strange that we are debating a minor party's 'failed' election effort when they hit 35 per cent [primary vote in Marrickville], an impressive result for a small party at the best of times," Stott Despoja says. LOL now you are quoting the views of a woman whose leadership destroyed the Democrats. Credible analysts - eg NOT Natasha Spott-remover - are pointing to a poor result for the Greens. Even Bob Brown is saying the same thing. I think you'll find it was MEG Lee's decision to back the GST that destroyed the Democrates. and as we've argued before I disagree. Spott-remover took the party quite left-wing after 30 years of succeeding as a genuine CENTRE party. The GST was interesting example tho. The Greens will face a similar problem withthe carbon tax. it could be the single big issue that polarises the electorate. It could be the Greens shining moment or the one that destroys them. Based onthe NSW experience, the latter is more likely.

That sounds like what has happened to the greens. The moving left part. Maybe they will end up like the democrats soon.

Historic win as Greens go down to wire
Alicia Wood
April 3, 2011


JAMIE PARKER has made history as the first Greens MP in the NSW lower house after winning the inner-west seat of Balmain, in a final insult to the Labor Party.

Mr Parker, who had to wait a week to claim victory after a tight contest, said yesterday he expected to win the seat by more than 1000 votes from Liberal candidate James Falk.

The contest was initially thought to be between the incumbent, Labor's Verity Firth, and Mr Parker, but Ms Firth slipped to third place after preferences were distributed.


http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/state-election-2011/historic-win-as-greens-go-down-to-wire-20110402-1csdj.html?from=smh_sb




 "DREADFUL result" - as Lostweekend would put it

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2011 at 7:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 7:22pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 6:19pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 5:53pm: freediver wrote on Apr 2nd, 2011 at 1:51pm: The Greens have already put someone into the federal lower house for NSW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Organ Interesting take. Perhaps this explains the constant cries that the Greens are doing badly, despite increasing their share of the vote: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/green-dream-turns-to-ashes/story-e6frg6z6-1226030941481 Expectations management is something the Greens clearly have to learn. The party has a habit of talking itself into a situation where solid minor party performances are viewed as failure. "It can seem strange that we are debating a minor party's 'failed' election effort when they hit 35 per cent [primary vote in Marrickville], an impressive result for a small party at the best of times," Stott Despoja says. LOL now you are quoting the views of a woman whose leadership destroyed the Democrats. Credible analysts - eg NOT Natasha Spott-remover - are pointing to a poor result for the Greens. Even Bob Brown is saying the same thing. I think you'll find it was MEG Lee's decision to back the GST that destroyed the Democrates. and as we've argued before I disagree. Spott-remover took the party quite left-wing after 30 years of succeeding as a genuine CENTRE party. The GST was interesting example tho. The Greens will face a similar problem withthe carbon tax. it could be the single big issue that polarises the electorate. It could be the Greens shining moment or the one that destroys them. Based onthe NSW experience, the latter is more likely. That sounds like what has happened to the greens. The moving left part. Maybe they will end up like the democrats soon.

The GREENS have always been a left wing party, they have not moved to the left.
There is no comparison between the GREENS and the Democrats, the GREENS have already achieved much more then the Democrats ever did.
The GREENS besides having upper house MPS in federal and state politics, also have lower house reps in BOTH federal and state politics.
In NSW the GREENS not only have a member in the lower house, they are the second preferred party in 4 other seats in NSW, something the Democrats could only dream of.

Greens fault if Hanson wins


If Pauline Hanson is elected to the NSW upper house the Greens' refusal to preference Labor is to blame, Labor frontbencher Anthony Albanese says.

Ms Hanson is locked in a tight race with the Greens and Labor for an upper house seat.

The minor party cost Labor half a dozen seats at last weekend's poll because it would not preference Labor, Mr Albanese said.

'It is possible this week Pauline Hanson could be elected to the NSW upper house because of the failure of the Greens party to do a preference swapping deal with NSW Labor in the upper house,' he told Sky News on Sunday.

Labor had warned the Greens about the potential outcome ahead of the poll but the minor party had not listened, Mr Albanese said.

'The Greens party said we know better, preferences never get counted in the upper house'.

'Well guess what, we're down to one spot, there's three potential outcomes - the Greens party, Labor and Pauline Hanson.'

There were some real lessons to be learnt by the Greens, Mr Albanese said.


http://bigpondnews.com/articles/National/2011/04/03/Greens_fault_if_Hanson_wins_596693.html




So the fact that Greens are challenging for Grayndler, the current electorate Mr Albanese holds. Obviously this guy thinks his electorate isn't that clued on to his motives.

If it is anyone Party's fault for the rise of Pauline Hanson, then it should be NSW Labor for being such a bad government.

Fingers crossed, an extra Greens upper house member to go with Mr Parker.

LOL. So much for a disastrous result for them. Too much wishful thinking.

Verity Firth has not conceded yet -  a recount is in progress.  

Looks like Hanson can't win though as she is about 6000 votes behind.

nichy wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2011 at 2:56pm:

Verity Firth has not conceded yet -  a recount is in progress.   Looks like Hanson can't win though as she is about 6000 votes behind.

They said on the news last night she'd conceded. That was the 6PM channel 7 edition, has she back flipped since?

skippy. wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2011 at 2:59pm:

nichy wrote on Apr 3rd, 2011 at 2:56pm: Verity Firth has not conceded yet -  a recount is in progress.   Looks like Hanson can't win though as she is about 6000 votes behind. They said on the news last night she'd conceded. That was the 6PM channel 7 edition, has she back flipped since?

Obviously the report i read was incorrect as she (Firth) has conceded and did so yesterday.