cause it's hit delat after delay after hurdle after change.

Now, the independants are getting lied to.


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THE government has backflipped on one of its key promises to the regional independents by proposing to allow the National Broadband Network to charge different access prices to regional and rural Australians. Documents on the NBN legislation circulated by Communications Minister Stephen Conroy reveal the NBN Co could one day have the discretion to charge different prices for bush communities using wireless and satellite services than their city counterparts using fibre-optic cable. The government has vowed repeatedly that there would be uniform pricing across the nation, but explanatory notes to the laws now say: "The price for NBN Co's entry-level service must be the same across Australia and across NBN Co's fibre, wireless and satellite networks. However, the prices for higher-speed services only need to be uniform within a specified technology, and not across all technologies." The government reaffirmed yesterday its commitment to charge the same price for all broadband users signing up to the NBN's "entry-level" service of 12Mbps. But the notes to new legislation being debated in the Senate suggest the predominantly regional customers accessing faster services over wireless or satellite in the future could be charged different rates to customers getting the same speeds on broadband. The amendments exempt transactions under a planned $11 billion infrastructure-sharing deal between Telstra and NBN Co from state and territory stamp duties and any other form of state tax. The Victorian government said last night it had "reservations" about Canberra using its legislative powers to dictate to the states about the tax treatment of transactions. The development on prices is an embarrassing about-face for the government, which was saved from a first-term election defeat last year by promising independent MPs Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott that rural and regional Australians would be charged the same wholesale broadband prices to access the NBN as their city-dwelling counterparts. "For the first time, the government will put in place a cross-subsidy to achieve a uniform national wholesale price so that regional areas can pay the same price as people in the city," Labor's Commitment to Regional Australia deal states. Mr Windsor said last night he expected the government to honour its promise "that NBN Co will charge the same amount for an equivalent service whether someone lives in the country or the city and whether it is delivered by fibre or wireless/satellite".Mr Oakeshott said he had no evidence that the agreements on uniform wholesale pricing regardless of location, which were a "substantial long-term win for regional Australia", had been breached. But he warned: "If there is any evidence to suggest otherwise . . . it will be pursued vigorously."Independent senator Nick Xenophon said he would raise the matter with the government in discussions over the NBN bills. The office of Family First senator Steve Fielding said the government "have told us that it isn't a problem because you can't get high speeds on wireless and satellite". But the nation's No 2 telecommunications company, Optus, lashed out at the amendments, while farmers said they were worried the "digital divide" between the cities and the bush could widen. Senator Conroy's office moved yesterday to defuse the perception of a policy backflip, saying the NBN Co had not yet committed to offering wireless or satellite services capable of delivering these "higher" speeds faster than the entry-level offering of 12Mbps. "At this time, NBN Co is not providing higher-speed services over wireless or satellite," Senator Conroy's spokeswoman, Suzie Brady, said. "If in the future higher-speed wireless and/or satellite products become available, decisions on pricing will be made at that time...........

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/labor-backflips-on-its-nbn-promise-to-regional-australia/story-fn59niix-1226027050160

This is from Yahoo


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The federal government has been criticised for making a last-minute backflip on its national broadband network. Communications Minister Stephen Conroy has proposed to scrap a "cherry picking" rule that would have protected the company building the $36 billion project from competition. Telstra has previously raised objections to Labor's existing legislation. On Wednesday afternoon, Senator Conroy put forward an amendment that would allow potential NBN Co rivals to install optical fibre cables before the government business enterprise did. The private-sector networks would have to emulate NBN Co and service residential and small-business premises on an "open access, wholesale-only basis". "The provisions are fundamental to the government's policy that NBN Co deliver uniform national wholesale prices, and the ability of NBN Co to cross-subsidise from high-value areas to less profitable areas like most of regional Australia," he said. Still, opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull said the amendments would still fail to ensure the NBN remained a wholesale-only enterprise. "It would mean that the private sector telcos would run a very real risk of being limited to the small business and residential markets," he said. This would make the NBN a monopoly of fixed-line services, "thereby depriving the private sector of a large part of their business". The government plans to introduce its amendment into the Senate on Thursday, when debate on the NBN Companies bill resumes. But Mr Turnbull said this gave senators little time to consider and vote on Labor's 23 pages of amendments. Parliament goes into recess from Thursday until the May budget. Last week, Labor senators on a communications committee defended proposals to protect NBN Co from competition, arguing the telcos needed to be prevented from targeting lucrative markets and leaving the government business enterprise with high-cost, low-revenue customers. Senator Conroy proposed another amendment to make transactions between NBN Co and Telstra exempt from state and territory government stamp duties. "As a fundamental component of these historic reforms, the definitive agreements are not part of normal business operations," he said. The rollout of the NBN is expected to be completed by 2018. http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/9063476/govt-panned-for-last-minute-nbn-backflip/

where does it say in there that there is going to be prices

backflip...never!! who ever heard opf this govt doing a backflip?? tsk tsk..

Awww, all politicians lie, it`s OK.

mavisdavis wrote on Mar 24^th, 2011 at 2:07pm:

Awww, all politicians lie, it`s OK.

well its not OK with me.. maybe you and the rusted on on here.. but not with me...  to say beofr an election

THERE WILL NO BE A CARBON TAX IN A GOVT I LEAD.AND THEN A FEW MONTHS LATER SAY

THERE WILL BE A CARBON TAX BUT WE DONT KNOW WHAT IT WILL BE BECAUSE WE DONT KNOW OURSELVES YET..

BUT YOU WILL GET IT BEFORE ANOTHER ELECTION


so tuff luck

cods wrote on Mar 24^th, 2011 at 7:22pm:

mavisdavis wrote on Mar 24th, 2011 at 2:07pm: Awww, all politicians lie, it`s OK. well its not OK with me.. maybe you and the rusted on on here.. but not with me...  to say beofr an election THERE WILL NO BE A CARBON TAX IN A GOVT I LEAD.AND THEN A FEW MONTHS LATER SAY THERE WILL BE A CARBON TAX BUT WE DONT KNOW WHAT IT WILL BE BECAUSE WE DONT KNOW OURSELVES YET.. BUT YOU WILL GET IT BEFORE ANOTHER ELECTION so tuff luck

still wondering where it says that they can charge different prices?????

As for back flips and forgotten promises, no they are not ok but they have become part of the political landscape for as long as i can remember. Think of;

"no child will live in poverty"

"there will never be a GST"

"coure and non-coure promises"

"no carbon tax"

There are so many more, the only party that has never gone back on a promise is the won that has never been elected.

The NBN is going to deliver a fantastic new telecommunications infrastructure that will serve our country for generations, and will for the first time ever, see people in rural areas able to connect to broadband, and have it delivered for the same price as people in the city will pay for the same service.
That is a massive, and very worthy achievement that no Liberal government would ever dream of doing for rural Australia.

That you are not up to speed on tech stuff is fair enough.
That you take the latest round of anti-NBN propaganda from the terminally biased rag, The Australian, as actual news, rather than being the unashamedly deceitful Liberal Party songbook lyrics, from it's faithful mouthpiece, is however, certainly not fair enough.

The government does still appear to be committed to seeing the NBN providing the basic 12Mbps, offered to all users, both rural and metropolitan, for the same price.

The only danger to that happening is if the Libs under a loon like Abbott get in, and with their usual disdain for the bush, decide to bugger up the Labor plan, out of spite.

As I know you Know nothing about tech stuff, I will try and explain simply for you, what this bulldust article you linked to is saying.

First off, remember this important fact, 93% of people will have access to the FIBRE OPTIC network, and city, or country, there is no suggestion, even from lying Liberals, that any of the plans that access this brilliant new fibre network, will be offered at different prices for the country than the city.
OK, so got that, 93% of aussies are, non starters, for this Liberal scare campaign.

So, that leaves the 7% of rural users who through their remoteness, will need to connect by satellite, or wireless.
They will be offered the basic 12Mbps plans, and the wholesale price which is fixed for these base plans, at I believe $24 per month, for ALL users, would apply to these rural users as well.
Now you may want to ask around, and see what they are being charged now for their current wireless or satellite connections, and see if you can find a single user who will object to the greatly reduced price they will be getting from the new NBN offerings.

So what is the big deal you may ask?
What is The Australian talking about?

What they are making this scare campaign about is the small percentage, of the originally small percentage, meaning perhaps up to 10% of those original 7% of rural users who only get satellite or wireless, who wish to buy higher speed plans than the 12Mbps the NBN is offering.
The reasons are technical, and part of the reason why wireless is not suitable as a backbone service, despite Liberal lies suggesting otherwise, but rather as a complimentary service, as the availability and cost of providing higher speeds via satellite and wireless are significant, and hence the government will not guarantee supplying these super high speed wireless services for the same price as they can deliver super high speeds via the fibre optic network.

So the reality is that less than 1% of NBN users who MAY wish to pay for super high speed wireless or satellite, will have to pay more for that higher speed of service, than those who get those super high speeds via Fibre.


Get it?


Do you still wonder why I consider the Libs pathetic posturing over the NBN as dishonest, and deliberately aimed at fostering confusion and fear?
They really shame themselves with these types of antics.

mozzaok wrote on Mar 24^th, 2011 at 10:45pm:

The NBN is going to deliver a fantastic new telecommunications infrastructure that will serve our country for generations, and will for the first time ever, see people in rural areas able to connect to broadband, and have it delivered for the same price as people in the city will pay for the same service. That is a massive, and very worthy achievement that no Liberal government would ever dream of doing for rural Australia. That you are not up to speed on tech stuff is fair enough. That you take the latest round of anti-NBN propaganda from the terminally biased rag, The Australian, as actual news, rather than being the unashamedly deceitful Liberal Party songbook lyrics, from it's faithful mouthpiece, is however, certainly not fair enough. The government does still appear to be committed to seeing the NBN providing the basic 12Mbps, offered to all users, both rural and metropolitan, for the same price. The only danger to that happening is if the Libs under a loon like Abbott get in, and with their usual disdain for the bush, decide to bugger up the Labor plan, out of spite. As I know you Know nothing about tech stuff, I will try and explain simply for you, what this bulldust article you linked to is saying. First off, remember this important fact, 93% of people will have access to the FIBRE OPTIC network, and city, or country, there is no suggestion, even from lying Liberals, that any of the plans that access this brilliant new fibre network, will be offered at different prices for the country than the city. OK, so got that, 93% of aussies are, non starters, for this Liberal scare campaign. So, that leaves the 7% of rural users who through their remoteness, will need to connect by satellite, or wireless. They will be offered the basic 12Mbps plans, and the wholesale price which is fixed for these base plans, at I believe $24 per month, for ALL users, would apply to these rural users as well. Now you may want to ask around, and see what they are being charged now for their current wireless or satellite connections, and see if you can find a single user who will object to the greatly reduced price they will be getting from the new NBN offerings. So what is the big deal you may ask? What is The Australian talking about? What they are making this scare campaign about is the small percentage, of the originally small percentage, meaning perhaps up to 10% of those original 7% of rural users who only get satellite or wireless, who wish to buy higher speed plans than the 12Mbps the NBN is offering. The reasons are technical, and part of the reason why wireless is not suitable as a backbone service, despite Liberal lies suggesting otherwise, but rather as a complimentary service, as the availability and cost of providing higher speeds via satellite and wireless are significant, and hence the government will not guarantee supplying these super high speed wireless services for the same price as they can deliver super high speeds via the fibre optic network. So the reality is that less than 1% of NBN users who MAY wish to pay for super high speed wireless or satellite, will have to pay more for that higher speed of service, than those who get those super high speeds via Fibre. Get it? Do you still wonder why I consider the Libs pathetic posturing over the NBN as dishonest, and deliberately aimed at fostering confusion and fear? They really shame themselves with these types of antics.

That is the wholesale, not retail price you've quoted right?

Yes, it is the WHOLESALE price, for the base plan, which is 12Mbps down, and 1 up.

Here are some of the wholesale prices for other plans.
The fact is that each ISP will offer different plans, and different pricing, but we can probably expect to see a return to more lower data plans, and fewer "unlimited" data plans being offered, as the amount you could download with high speed fibre would be massive.


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The plan also includes first details of NBN’s planned wholesale pricing, with a base service of 12 Mbps download speed and 1 Mbps upload speed available to retail service providers for $24 a month across fibre, wireless and satellite. A 50/20 Mbps speed will cost $34, 100/40 Mbps $38 and 1000/400 Mbps $150. Bear in mind those are wholesale prices, not the cost of services likely to be offered by retailers.

mozzaok


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.......remember this important fact, 93% of people will have access to the FIBRE OPTIC network.....

remember this important fact - LOTS already have.
At NO cost to the tax payer.

http://www.archive.dbcde.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0004/121855/img-figure-2-1.gif

http://www.archive.dbcde.gov.au/2010/october/annual_report_2008-09/section_2_-_performance_review

what would you guess todays figure would be ?
80 %
and by the time the leftys nbn is up, it would have alrady been over 90% at NO cost to the tax payer.

remember that important fact

lol, sprint, access to Fibre,
It is a NEW network, state of the art you know, fast, reliable, modern, and cheap to maintain, and upgrade.

The old Copper network was being held together with chewing gum and prayers, each equally effective.

The NBN is about building a 21st century telecommunications network, while the Liberal alternative was about how to maintain a 19th century one.

That and the fact that it would also massively reduce the telecommunication black holes that plague so much of Australia outside the Capital Cities, and offer usable broadband speeds , and fairer pricing for all those people outside the Capital Cities as well.

It is both Modern, and Fair, which I guess is why the Libs find it so hard to comprehend.

fibres already in most streets. At NO cost to the taxpayer

over 80% of aussies are already on broadband, you agree to this as you have not denied it.

you lose

"fair" ????????????????
cut the leftard jingle, tell me how much it costs and what benefit i get.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 12:36am:

fibres already in most streets. At NO cost to the taxpayer over 80% of aussies are already on broadband, you agree to this as you have not denied it. you lose "fair" ???????????????? cut the leftard jingle, tell me how much it costs and what benefit i get.

another andrei Its all about me stuff everyone else

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 12:36am:

fibres already in most streets. At NO cost to the taxpayer over 80% of aussies are already on broadband, you agree to this as you have not denied it. you lose "fair" ???????????????? cut the leftard jingle, tell me how much it costs and what benefit i get.

I guess he was pie eyed last night, he provided a graph showing 52% of aussies as the highest figure with broadband, and kept going on about 80%, a figure pulled from the rear orifice of the Liberal party book of lies that only an absolutely soused, rusted on, would be able to believe.
No doubt he saw the 80% figure somewhere, about something to do with broadband, so I guess he decided just making up the rest was good form, at least consistent, I guess.
I do not know what the 80%, he falsely asserts was the number of aussies with broadband,  really did refer to when he originally got confused(read absolutely bloody wrong, again) but if I had to guess I would expect it may be the percentage of Aussies that live in Capital cities who could get access to ADSL2, theoretically speaking, if the copper network was in better shape.

He also falsely stated that fibre is already in most streets, what a maroon.
A traditional, I'm alright, bugger you mate, Liberal supporter, asking te perennial question of the selfish and uncaring, "what's in it for me?"

Well you will get access to faster, more reliable, internet, for a start.
You will also get the chance to have a big whinge as you anticipate the glee of posting on every bulldust lie that the Libs can come up with, about the NBN, until it is completed. ;)

You also piped up with the little gem that because I had not directly called your idiotic claims, where you guessed 80% and 90%, that you must be right, well if you want to look like less of a goose on this matter, just work on the assumption that everything you believe, and everything you think you know, is WRONG, then you will be starting to get at least one thing right.
Everything you say, and everything you contended is wrong sprint, you did not get a single fact right, not even close to right, on anything, but I guess you must be getting used to that, supporting looney Tone as you do.

Quote:

The government does still appear to be committed to seeing the NBN providing the basic 12Mbps, offered to all users, both rural and metropolitan, for the same price.

im so excited!!! the NBN is going to give me the exact same service I have already had for years and 85% of australians already have.... and it is only going to cost $43B plus cost overruns and the annual losses it wil make! I feel all tingly inside at the thought of getting a new shiny thinga-ama-bob that is the same as my old one.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 7:02am:

Quote: The government does still appear to be committed to seeing the NBN providing the basic 12Mbps, offered to all users, both rural and metropolitan, for the same price. im so excited!!! the NBN is going to give me the exact same service I have already had for years and 85% of australians already have.... and it is only going to cost $43B plus cost overruns and the annual losses it wil make! I feel all tingly inside at the thought of getting a new shiny thinga-ama-bob that is the same as my old one.

Another one it is all about me. I wish you libs would think of other people as well, you mob only think about yourself all the time.

You only had to look when Gillard said about the flood levy the way you libs went on. Queensland has to get rebuilt and people that could afford to pay for it kick up the biggest stink about it.

You dick........ the only ones that pay for anything uber a Labor Govt will be working australians.

Labor are socialist piles of c r a p!!

bomen_guy wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 7:23am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 7:02am: Quote: The government does still appear to be committed to seeing the NBN providing the basic 12Mbps, offered to all users, both rural and metropolitan, for the same price. im so excited!!! the NBN is going to give me the exact same service I have already had for years and 85% of australians already have.... and it is only going to cost $43B plus cost overruns and the annual losses it wil make! I feel all tingly inside at the thought of getting a new shiny thinga-ama-bob that is the same as my old one. Another one it is all about me. I wish you libs would think of other people as well, you mob only think about yourself all the time. You only had to look when Gillard said about the flood levy the way you libs went on. Queensland has to get rebuilt and people that could afford to pay for it kick up the biggest stink about it.

or maybe we think spending $4B to fix the broadband network is a better idea than spending ten tiems that amount and still end up with the same result.

it was 52% in '07/'08

http://www.archive.dbcde.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0004/121855/img-figure-2-1.gif

we are now '11/'12.
the graph is 4 years old.  Going by the increasing %ages shown (16, 28, 43, 52) in 4 years, given another 4 years what's you guess ?

yes, fibre is in most streets.
pay tv is by fibre.
that can be used for the net.

:-)

have a good day




mozzaok wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 6:51am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 12:36am: fibres already in most streets. At NO cost to the taxpayer over 80% of aussies are already on broadband, you agree to this as you have not denied it. you lose "fair" ???????????????? cut the leftard jingle, tell me how much it costs and what benefit i get. I guess he was pie eyed last night, he provided a graph showing 52% of aussies as the highest figure with broadband, and kept going on about 80%, a figure pulled from the rear orifice of the Liberal party book of lies that only an absolutely soused, rusted on, would be able to believe. No doubt he saw the 80% figure somewhere, about something to do with broadband, so I guess he decided just making up the rest was good form, at least consistent, I guess. I do not know what the 80%, he falsely asserts was the number of aussies with broadband,  really did refer to when he originally got confused(read absolutely bloody wrong, again) but if I had to guess I would expect it may be the percentage of Aussies that live in Capital cities who could get access to ADSL2, theoretically speaking, if the copper network was in better shape. He also falsely stated that fibre is already in most streets, what a maroon. A traditional, I'm alright, bugger you mate, Liberal supporter, asking te perennial question of the selfish and uncaring, "what's in it for me?" Well you will get access to faster, more reliable, internet, for a start. You will also get the chance to have a big whinge as you anticipate the glee of posting on every bulldust lie that the Libs can come up with, about the NBN, until it is completed. ;) You also piped up with the little gem that because I had not directly called your idiotic claims, where you guessed 80% and 90%, that you must be right, well if you want to look like less of a goose on this matter, just work on the assumption that everything you believe, and everything you think you know, is WRONG, then you will be starting to get at least one thing right. Everything you say, and everything you contended is wrong sprint, you did not get a single fact right, not even close to right, on anything, but I guess you must be getting used to that, supporting looney Tone as you do.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 7:02am:

Quote: The government does still appear to be committed to seeing the NBN providing the basic 12Mbps, offered to all users, both rural and metropolitan, for the same price. im so excited!!! the NBN is going to give me the exact same service I have already had for years and 85% of australians already have.... and it is only going to cost $43B plus cost overruns and the annual losses it wil make! I feel all tingly inside at the thought of getting a new shiny thinga-ama-bob that is the same as my old one.

More absolutely bloody bulldust from the Liberal fanboys.


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t is only going to cost $43B plus cost overruns and the annual losses

-longy

False. The original 43 billion estimate has actually been revised down to 36 billion.
Lucky it was not the Libs doing this, or they would be claiming their brilliant economic management has just saved 7 billion, lol.

Cost overruns, and annual losses?
A bit more Liberal crystal ball gazing at work.
The NBN management has so far impressed with very strong business planning, and very efficient management of the project, so condemning them for things that have not occurred is just more Liberal scare tactics at work.

Despite your protestations to the opposite, the NBN will provide you with many things you have never had before Longy, the option to access high speeds, if you so desire, is but one.

Please cite your source for that statistic, 85% of Australians already have access to the 12Mbps up, 1Mbps down, minimum service being offered by the NBN, because I do not believe you, and you must admit your track record of dishonesty about this issue has been appalling.

Sprint provided a graph showing 52% of aussies as having access to broadband, which is nowhere near the bulldust 85% he mentioned.

The other thing they fail to ever mention is that so much of the current
"High Speed" [sic] Broadband that they pronounce that so many supposedly already have, is actually the old 1.5 Mbps speeds that those not close to an exchange, or on an exchange with no dslam, or one with no ports open, can get access to.
Now that is more than ten times slower than the base plan the NBN will be offering, and there are even people on rims who cannot even get those paltry 1mbps or lower speeds now.

Then you add all the rural folk who currently get totally left out of any consideration at all by the Libs and their supporters, but which the NBN has not forgotten about, and will get access to decent, affordable internet, for the first time ever, and for generations to come.

So all aussies can look forward to a supremely fast, efficient, reliable, long lasting, and fair telecommunications system, and the current services that offers, as well as the future services it will enable.
That all adds up to a great and forward thinking national infrastructure investment.

Unless you are a rusted on Liberal fanboy desperate to believe any lie from the extreme right, designed to create confusion and promote fear, then it is hard to actually find a negative to say about the NBN.

Mozza there has not been one single cost-benefit analysis I have seen that shows that this NBN program will pay for itself.

It is providing services to one particular set of people at the expense of others.

I am not seeing how this benefits others in any way.

I do not support it.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 12:49pm:

Mozza there has not been one single cost-benefit analysis I have seen that shows that this NBN program will pay for itself. It is providing services to one particular set of people at the expense of others. I am not seeing how this benefits others in any way. I do not support it.

Are you related to Joyce?

Both in Finance. Both so out of depth in Economics.

mozzaok
Quote:

.........The NBN management has so far impressed with very strong business planning, and very efficient management of the project, so condemning them for things that have not occurred is just more Liberal scare tactics at work. Despite your protestations to the opposite, the NBN will provide you with many things you have never had before Longy, the option to access high speeds, if you so desire, is but one. Please cite your source for that statistic, 85% of Australians already have access to the 12Mbps up, 1Mbps down, minimum service being offered by the NBN, because I do not believe you, and you must admit your track record of dishonesty about this issue has been appalling. Sprint provided a graph showing 52% of aussies as having access to broadband, which is nowhere near the bulldust 85% he mentioned. ..

the nbn have just released 43 pages of "amendments".
a sign of very poor management.
they have kept details secret.

what benefits will a nbn give - exactly.

as i repeatred, the graph is 4 years old and showing huge growth.

grow up, answer the questions or i will call you lisa2

In reply to Sprints "stats", lol, make 'em ups as you goes alongs, would probably be a better descriptor, I suggest you just keep extrapolating growth at the record ever uptake level for another 4 years as well sprint, and we will be able get to the point where we have more people to cite as statistics, than the actual number of people we have in the whole country.

Why do you bother trying to make up silly stats that are just flat out wrong?

Maybe we could save time by just accepting that you, really, really,  hate Labor, and, really, really, hate everything they have ever said or ever done, and you really, truly believe the only acceptable course is to endorse and promote the exact opposite of everything that Labor ever does, or says.

mozzaok wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 1:05pm:

In reply to Sprints "stats", lol, make 'em ups as you goes alongs, would probably be a better descriptor, I suggest you just keep extrapolating growth at the record ever uptake level for another 4 years as well sprint, and we will be able get to the point where we have more people to cite as statistics, than the actual number of people we have in the whole country. Why do you bother trying to make up silly stats that are just flat out wrong? Maybe we could save time by just accepting that you, really, really,  hate Labor, and, really, really, hate everything they have ever said or ever done, and you really, truly believe the only acceptable course is to endorse and promote the exact opposite of everything that Labor ever does, or says.

Seems that suits most on this board weather  lib or lab  ;D ;D ;D ;D

I would rather see you put up a CBA which shows how this project will pay back the costs.

Because without it, it looks like a socialist programme to me of one set of people paying for something they don't need and will be used by others.

my stats are from a govt source, the link is given.

still no answers,  "lisa2" ??

Labor's National Broadband Network is backed by ...



The Greens
Tony Windsor
Rob Oakeshott
Andrew Wilkie

Even ...
Bob Katter !



Once the new Senate sits, the legislation is assured of an un-hindered passage through BOTH houses

Like the NSW election result, it is a "fait accompli"

I'm surprised anyone wastes their time STILL speculating on EITHER ?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 1:17pm:

my stats are from a govt source, the link is given. still no answers,  "lisa2" ??

I agree with your government stats, they say 52% of aussies with broadband access.
YOU are the one just making it up as you go from that point.

Try this exercise, go back and get stats from the golden age of buggy making, they may have had a production growth of say, 25 % two years in a row, now just keep adding those figures up and you have statistically proven there are 17 billion, 487 million, and 73 buggies being made this year.

You claim 80% of aussies have high speed broadband now, I do not believe you, so provide a link to where you got that statistic.
Extrapolating on previous growth rates will not cut it, we need a real statistic please.

You also claim most aussie streets already have fibre in them, another laughably stupid lie for which I would love to see your source of information please.

You anti-NBN nuts are getting as loopy as the freaky conspirinuts around here.

52 %  was 4 years ago.
what's your guess  for today lisa2 ??

pay tv is run via fibre.
there is pay tv or broadband net in most streets.

mozzaok wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 12:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 7:02am: Quote: The government does still appear to be committed to seeing the NBN providing the basic 12Mbps, offered to all users, both rural and metropolitan, for the same price. im so excited!!! the NBN is going to give me the exact same service I have already had for years and 85% of australians already have.... and it is only going to cost $43B plus cost overruns and the annual losses it wil make! I feel all tingly inside at the thought of getting a new shiny thinga-ama-bob that is the same as my old one. More absolutely bloody bulldust from the Liberal fanboys. [quote]t is only going to cost $43B plus cost overruns and the annual losses

-longy

False. The original 43 billion estimate has actually been revised down to 36 billion.
Lucky it was not the Libs doing this, or they would be claiming their brilliant economic management has just saved 7 billion, lol.

Cost overruns, and annual losses?
A bit more Liberal crystal ball gazing at work.
The NBN management has so far impressed with very strong business planning, and very efficient management of the project, so condemning them for things that have not occurred is just more Liberal scare tactics at work.

Despite your protestations to the opposite, the NBN will provide you with many things you have never had before Longy, the option to access high speeds, if you so desire, is but one.

Please cite your source for that statistic, 85% of Australians already have access to the 12Mbps up, 1Mbps down, minimum service being offered by the NBN, because I do not believe you, and you must admit your track record of dishonesty about this issue has been appalling.

Sprint provided a graph showing 52% of aussies as having access to broadband, which is nowhere near the bulldust 85% he mentioned.

The other thing they fail to ever mention is that so much of the current
"High Speed" [sic] Broadband that they pronounce that so many supposedly already have, is actually the old 1.5 Mbps speeds that those not close to an exchange, or on an exchange with no dslam, or one with no ports open, can get access to.
Now that is more than ten times slower than the base plan the NBN will be offering, and there are even people on rims who cannot even get those paltry 1mbps or lower speeds now.

Then you add all the rural folk who currently get totally left out of any consideration at all by the Libs and their supporters, but which the NBN has not forgotten about, and will get access to decent, affordable internet, for the first time ever, and for generations to come.

So all aussies can look forward to a supremely fast, efficient, reliable, long lasting, and fair telecommunications system, and the current services that offers, as well as the future services it will enable.
That all adds up to a great and forward thinking national infrastructure investment.

Unless you are a rusted on Liberal fanboy desperate to believe any lie from the extreme right, designed to create confusion and promote fear, then it is hard to actually find a negative to say about the NBN.
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FALSE ADVERTISING IS A WELL DOCUMENTED PHENOMENA REGARDING 'BROADBAND'!!! NO LIB CAN DUCK THIS FACT!!!!!  ;D ;D :D

FALSE ADVERTISING IS A WELL DOCUMENTED PHENOMENA REGARDING 'BROADBAND'!!! NO LIB CAN DUCK THIS FACT!!!!!  ;D ;D :D

FALSE ADVERTISING IS A WELL DOCUMENTED PHENOMENA REGARDING 'BROADBAND'!!! NO LIB CAN DUCK THIS FACT!!!!!  ;D ;D :D

FALSE ADVERTISING IS A WELL DOCUMENTED PHENOMENA REGARDING 'BROADBAND'!!! NO LIB CAN DUCK THIS FACT!!!!!  ;D ;D :D

THIS WHOLE NBN DISCUSSION RUINED TONY ABBOTT... NO NEED TO MENTION HIS SEXIST BEHAVIOUR AND ALL ELSE THAT MAKES HIM A TOTAL LAUGHING STOCK IN THE HISTORY BOOKS: THE LIBS NEED TO SAVE THEIR REPUTATION NOW!!!  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :'( ;D ;D :D ;)

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 12:49pm:

Mozza there has not been one single cost-benefit analysis I have seen that shows that this NBN program will pay for itself. It is providing services to one particular set of people at the expense of others. I am not seeing how this benefits others in any way. I do not support it.

Everyone knows you 'don't support it!'.

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) :D :D

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 12:56pm:

mozzaok Quote: .........The NBN management has so far impressed with very strong business planning, and very efficient management of the project, so condemning them for things that have not occurred is just more Liberal scare tactics at work. Despite your protestations to the opposite, the NBN will provide you with many things you have never had before Longy, the option to access high speeds, if you so desire, is but one. Please cite your source for that statistic, 85% of Australians already have access to the 12Mbps up, 1Mbps down, minimum service being offered by the NBN, because I do not believe you, and you must admit your track record of dishonesty about this issue has been appalling. Sprint provided a graph showing 52% of aussies as having access to broadband, which is nowhere near the bulldust 85% he mentioned. .. the nbn have just released 43 pages of "amendments". a sign of very poor management. they have kept details secret. what benefits will a nbn give - exactly. as i repeatred, the graph is 4 years old and showing huge growth. grow up, answer the questions or i will call you lisa2

If you say something is a sign of very poor management then I suppose every one in the whole world cannot disagree!  ;D ;D :D :-[ :-[ :-X :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( ;D

mozzaok wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 1:05pm:

In reply to Sprints "stats", lol, make 'em ups as you goes alongs, would probably be a better descriptor, I suggest you just keep extrapolating growth at the record ever uptake level for another 4 years as well sprint, and we will be able get to the point where we have more people to cite as statistics, than the actual number of people we have in the whole country. Why do you bother trying to make up silly stats that are just flat out wrong? Maybe we could save time by just accepting that you, really, really,  hate Labor, and, really, really, hate everything they have ever said or ever done, and you really, truly believe the only acceptable course is to endorse and promote the exact opposite of everything that Labor ever does, or says.

Howard lickers are still sore at the war placards!

Just ask 'em...............................................................  :-/ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :o ;) 8-)

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 1:08pm:

I would rather see you put up a CBA which shows how this project will pay back the costs. Because without it, it looks like a socialist programme to me of one set of people paying for something they don't need and will be used by others.

Don't go into politics too soon will ya!  :D :D

buzzanddidj wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 1:21pm:

Labor's National Broadband Network is backed by ... The Greens Tony Windsor Rob Oakeshott Andrew Wilkie Even ... Bob Katter ! Once the new Senate sits, the legislation is assured of an un-hindered passage through BOTH houses Like the NSW election result, it is a "fait accompli" I'm surprised anyone wastes their time STILL speculating on EITHER ?

The Libs have nothing else to fill the void!  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

THEY ARE REALLY IN TROUBLE: AND IT'S ONLY EARLY DAYS!  :D :D

TONY WON'T BE THERE MUCH LONGER!  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[  :'( ;D ;D :D ;) 8-)

mozzaok wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 2:26pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 1:17pm: my stats are from a govt source, the link is given. still no answers,  "lisa2" ?? I agree with your government stats, they say 52% of aussies with broadband access. YOU are the one just making it up as you go from that point. Try this exercise, go back and get stats from the golden age of buggy making, they may have had a production growth of say, 25 % two years in a row, now just keep adding those figures up and you have statistically proven there are 17 billion, 487 million, and 73 buggies being made this year. You claim 80% of aussies have high speed broadband now, I do not believe you, so provide a link to where you got that statistic. Extrapolating on previous growth rates will not cut it, we need a real statistic please. You also claim most aussie streets already have fibre in them, another laughably stupid lie for which I would love to see your source of information please. You anti-NBN nuts are getting as loopy as the freaky conspirinuts around here.

Just, and this provides years of fun whilst drinking, tell the likes of sprint: "Don't go into politics too soon will ya!  :D :D "  ;)

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 3:24pm:

52 %  was 4 years ago. what's your guess  for today lisa2 ?? pay tv is run via fibre. there is pay tv or broadband net in most streets.

Don't challenge Malcolm too soon will ya!  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-/ :-X :-*  ;D ;D ;) :D :D ;D ;) ;) ;D :o 8-) :-? ::) :P :-[ :-[ :-X :-/ :-* :'( ;) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)  :o

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 3:24pm:

52 %  was 4 years ago. what's your guess  for today lisa2 ?? pay tv is run via fibre. there is pay tv or broadband net in most streets.

WRONG WRONG WRONG

you know stuff all sprint there is no, I repeat no fibre in my street or any street round here. Pay TV is satellite where I live.

So before you put your B/S up here do some research don't listen to liberal party B/S all the time.

wrote on Mar 25^th, 2011 at 4:22pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 3:24pm: 52 %  was 4 years ago. what's your guess  for today lisa2 ?? pay tv is run via fibre. there is pay tv or broadband net in most streets. WRONG WRONG WRONG you know stuff all sprint there is no, I repeat no fibre in my street or any street round here. Pay TV is satellite where I live. So before you put your B/S up here do some research don't listen to liberal party B/S all the time.

Crack smokers don't care about judgements against their character: the crack has already made them such a laughing stock!!    ;D ;D :D ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)