Notice posters keep on falling back on this yet what is Australia's Traditional Values?

The White Australia Policy
Women paid less than Men only because of genitalia
Hatred of anyone different.

What are traditional values to you?

Just think the opposite of what we have at this point in time.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 8:21am:

Just think the opposite of what we have at this point in time.

Which is nothing.

____ wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 8:05am:

Notice posters keep on falling back on this yet what is Australia's Traditional Values? The White Australia Policy Women paid less than Men only because of genitalia Hatred of anyone different. What are traditional values to you?

They are just the negatives, there were positive aspects of traditional values, your OP is selective and dishonest.

mavisdavis wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 8:27am:

____ wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:05am: Notice posters keep on falling back on this yet what is Australia's Traditional Values? The White Australia Policy Women paid less than Men only because of genitalia Hatred of anyone different. What are traditional values to you? They are just the negatives, there were positive aspects of traditional values, your OP is selective and dishonest.

You have the floor, (in a Ms Hanson accent) Please Explain

____ wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 8:35am:

mavisdavis wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:27am: ____ wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:05am: Notice posters keep on falling back on this yet what is Australia's Traditional Values? The White Australia Policy Women paid less than Men only because of genitalia Hatred of anyone different. What are traditional values to you? They are just the negatives, there were positive aspects of traditional values, your OP is selective and dishonest. You have the floor, (in a Ms Hanson accent) Please Explain

Ah, the old cheapo sarcasm, not genuine debate.  Tell us, do you know the history, the reasons behind the "White Australia Policy"?

mavisdavis wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 8:38am:

____ wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:35am: mavisdavis wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:27am: ____ wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:05am: Notice posters keep on falling back on this yet what is Australia's Traditional Values? The White Australia Policy Women paid less than Men only because of genitalia Hatred of anyone different. What are traditional values to you? They are just the negatives, there were positive aspects of traditional values, your OP is selective and dishonest. You have the floor, (in a Ms Hanson accent) Please Explain Ah, the old cheapo sarcasm, not genuine debate.  Tell us, do you know the history, the reasons behind the "White Australia Policy"?

No sarcasm, how about you get that chip off your shoulder.

Do you support the return of the White Australia Policy?

____ wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 8:44am:

mavisdavis wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:38am: ____ wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:35am: mavisdavis wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:27am: ____ wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:05am: Notice posters keep on falling back on this yet what is Australia's Traditional Values? The White Australia Policy Women paid less than Men only because of genitalia Hatred of anyone different. What are traditional values to you? They are just the negatives, there were positive aspects of traditional values, your OP is selective and dishonest. You have the floor, (in a Ms Hanson accent) Please Explain Ah, the old cheapo sarcasm, not genuine debate.  Tell us, do you know the history, the reasons behind the "White Australia Policy"? No sarcasm, how about you get that chip off your shoulder. Do you support the return of the White Australia Policy?

You don`t even know your subject do you.  Just the name "White Australia Policy" is enough to get your little wrists flapping.  I repeat, do you know why the "White Australia Policy" was introduced?  

Traditional Australian Values ... how about expressing what you think are Australian Traditional Values since you are unable to express whether you are pro or con The White Australia Policy.

____ wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 8:05am:

Notice posters keep on falling back on this yet what is Australia's Traditional Values? The White Australia Policy Women paid less than Men only because of genitalia Hatred of anyone different. What are traditional values to you?

Traditional values have always conjured up so many positive images for me.

In essence I instinctively think of large, pretty and well maintained homes with manicured gardens/decent sized front and back yards in safe neighbourhoods close to good schools and shopping centres .. with hard working dads who come home to loving wives (who pursue hobbies/careers around school hours) and children (who are loved, nurtured/encouraged/supported to do well academically/in sport/music). I see a pet of some description, 2 cars (his/hers) and a weekender (up or down the coast) for family holidays.

Is this so awful?

For me .. all this is a dream waiting to happen.

____ wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 8:59am:

Traditional Australian Values ... how about expressing what you think are Australian Traditional Values since you are unable to express whether you are pro or con The White Australia Policy.

How about you tell us about the White Australia Policy since you were the one who brought it up?

mavisdavis wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 8:38am:

____ wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:35am: mavisdavis wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:27am: ____ wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:05am: Notice posters keep on falling back on this yet what is Australia's Traditional Values? The White Australia Policy Women paid less than Men only because of genitalia Hatred of anyone different. What are traditional values to you? They are just the negatives, there were positive aspects of traditional values, your OP is selective and dishonest. You have the floor, (in a Ms Hanson accent) Please Explain Ah, the old cheapo sarcasm, not genuine debate.  Tell us, do you know the history, the reasons behind the "White Australia Policy"?

dont worry buddy, the op is being deceitful extremely selective and hardly complete in its comments

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 9:02am:

____ wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:05am: Notice posters keep on falling back on this yet what is Australia's Traditional Values? The White Australia Policy Women paid less than Men only because of genitalia Hatred of anyone different. What are traditional values to you? Traditional values have always conjured up so many positive images for me. In essence I instinctively think of large, pretty and well maintained homes with manicured gardens/decent sized front and back yards in safe neighbourhoods close to good schools and shopping centres .. with hard working dads who come home to loving wives (who pursue hobbies/careers around school hours) and children (who are loved, nurtured/encouraged/supported to do well academically/in sport/music). I see a pet of some description, 2 cars (his/hers) and a weekender (up or down the coast) for family holidays. Is this so awful? I don't think so.. but that's just my opinion.

Agreed Lisa, now women HAVE TO work to pay the bills. Gone forever are the days of spending time with our children throughout their most formative years, ladies tennis or golf days during the week.  Corporate Australia is now effectively getting twice the number of slaves for the same effective price!

How`s this poll going for you Greens?

LOL...how's your catfighting approach going for you, Mavis!?

::)

Hey, what about those so-called 'Young Liberal Jihadists' - what values do they live by!?

mavisdavis wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 9:08am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 9:02am: ____ wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:05am: Notice posters keep on falling back on this yet what is Australia's Traditional Values? The White Australia Policy Women paid less than Men only because of genitalia Hatred of anyone different. What are traditional values to you? Traditional values have always conjured up so many positive images for me. In essence I instinctively think of large, pretty and well maintained homes with manicured gardens/decent sized front and back yards in safe neighbourhoods close to good schools and shopping centres .. with hard working dads who come home to loving wives (who pursue hobbies/careers around school hours) and children (who are loved, nurtured/encouraged/supported to do well academically/in sport/music). I see a pet of some description, 2 cars (his/hers) and a weekender (up or down the coast) for family holidays. Is this so awful? I don't think so.. but that's just my opinion. Agreed Lisa, now women HAVE TO work to pay the bills. Gone forever are the days of spending time with our children throughout their most formative years, ladies tennis or golf days during the week.  Corporate Australia is now effectively getting twice the number of slaves for the same effective price!

YES!!!!

That's right!

My mum and dad were both baby boomers. Back when they 1st married .. you could buy and pay off a decent sized freestanding home on a good block of land within 10 yrs (not 30 yrs like today). This meant my Mum could stay home and HAVE kids and take good care of them. She made sure she grew all our fruit and veges (it was a hobby for her in any event as she was a country gal) because there was SPACE for all that .. and she cooked all our meals with fresh home grown ingredients. Mum was ALWAYS there at the school gate to pick us up every afternoon and bring us home to make sure we were ok. Mum worked school hours which gave her a break from the domestic sphere and gave her a chance to maintain her skills base.

She was always around to supervise us (even when we played in the front or back gardens on the 1/4 acre block of land we had back then) and Mum made sure everything on the domestic front was managed well. Dad came home from work exhausted .. but happy .. knowing all was well and under control.

It's such a pity those days are gone. I kinda miss them.

My mum was a baby boomer. I am a Gen X woman. Wow .. what a difference in just ONE generation.

Lisa,
What about the white picket fence?

Bobby. wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 10:37am:

Lisa, What about the white picket fence?

Yeah that too lol :)

Equitist wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 9:30am:

LOL...how's your catfighting approach going for you, Mavis!? ::)

MEOWWWWWWWWWWW!

Which 'Traditional Values' are we talking about here????
Do you mean:
Mateship,
A Fair Go,
Being Neighbourly,
Treating others as you want to be treated??

Or the 'darker ones' like:
Treating migrants like crap,
Refusing to hire non-whites
Refusing to hire women (because they should be bare-foot and pregnant)
Getting drunk and beating up anyone with a different culture, sexual preference or skin colour???

Equitist wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 9:43am:

Hey, what about those so-called 'Young Liberal Jihadists' - what values do they live by!?

Does the Young Liberal Party have that big a radical Islamic membership???

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 1:49pm:

Which 'Traditional Values' are we talking about here???? Do you mean: Mateship, A Fair Go, Being Neighbourly, Treating others as you want to be treated?? Or the 'darker ones' like: Treating migrants like crap, Refusing to hire non-whites Refusing to hire women (because they should be bare-foot and pregnant) Getting drunk and beating up anyone with a different culture, sexual preference or skin colour???

Does anybody remember the Australian movie "Wake in Fright"? It was shot in 1971. It's a reasonably good  portrayal of what life was like back then. If you can find a copy of it, watch it, and you'll appreciate much more what Australia is now compared to what it was.

It starred Gary Bond, Donald Pleasence and Chips Rafferty, and was based in  a fictitious town of Bundayabba (The Yabba) which reminded me of Mount Isa.  The film itself was very well directed.

Cultural cringe alright.

Something reminded me of the Traditional Australian values. I went to an agency of a Medical Insurance company in a small town. Instead of giving me my refund right there and then, they had to mail the forms and they would send a ....cheque in the mail. I asked them why they are still using snailmail in 2011. I mean the post is so unreliable and slow!

Can you believe that in 2011? I thought I was back in 1971 when you had to wait for Monday Morning for the bank to open if you wanted some money. No such thing as ATM's, and even credit cards were regarded with suspicion back then.

Ah yes, the good old days, when life was not meant to be easy.

muso wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 2:17pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 1:49pm: Which 'Traditional Values' are we talking about here???? Do you mean: Mateship, A Fair Go, Being Neighbourly, Treating others as you want to be treated?? Or the 'darker ones' like: Treating migrants like crap, Refusing to hire non-whites Refusing to hire women (because they should be bare-foot and pregnant) Getting drunk and beating up anyone with a different culture, sexual preference or skin colour??? Does anybody remember the Australian movie "Wake in Fright"? It was shot in 1971. It's a reasonably good  portrayal of what life was like back then. If you can find a copy of it, watch it, and you'll appreciate much more what Australia is now compared to what it was. It starred Gary Bond, Donald Pleasence and Chips Rafferty, and was based in  a fictitious town of Bundayabba (The Yabba) which reminded me of Mount Isa.  The film itself was very well directed. Cultural cringe alright.

That raises vague memories from late night TV of my youth....

The stabbing the roo to death scene and vomitting while having sex with the woman scene are familiar....

That's the one. I think everybody who talks about the good old days should watch that movie.

muso wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 2:27pm:

That's the one. I think everybody who talks about the good old days should watch that movie.

That and 'Sunday Too Far Away'...

Of course neither of those films entirely show ALL of Australian values...or life.

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 1:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 10:37am: Lisa, What about the white picket fence? Yeah that too lol :)

I remember something similar to that for my upbringing, but don't forget that our grandparents did two world wars and a depression, before that was another depression in the late 19th century as well as a massive drought. Things were tough in this country till after WW2 and the wonderful life of the baby boomers and the gen x.y are what has begun to lead use down a sad path.

History has the key to much of who we are, convicts to begin who rose with acts like the rum rebellion, Ureka stock aid and characters like Ned Kelly and Ben Hall. These things taught us to stand together and always be vigilant. Civil disobedience is important to us as has been military disobedience. The Anzacs and western front soldiers of WW1 were renown for ignoring the british officers much to their horror, but when it came to it we stood tight a fought hard as we always had to at home to survive.

As for the White Australia Policy i think this covers it  "The doctrine of the equality of man was never intended to apply to the equality of the Englishman and the Chinaman." A quote from the PM at the time Edmond Barton. Without doing the required digging i believe riots against the chineese on the Victorian gold fields and places like lambing flats in NSW, now known as Young lead to the formation of the policy. Our distrust of people and religions that we didn't understand or feared has always been a scare on our society. The Irish also came in for some special treatment back then. During the 70's and 80's John Howard made many poor comments on immigration and Asia, a problem the liberal party still carries as we see at the moment.

So Aussie Values to me are mateship, defiance of authority, and strong family values that carry us in the hard times. On the sad side is an under tow of racism and a loss of the values that formed the country which now see the degeneration of those family values and mateship. When John howard told us that it was Australian to dob someone in i new the country was in big trouble because they believed him when in the past they would have demonstrated and thrown him out of office at the next election, not given him a bigger majority. In 1901 the two most prosperous countries in the world were Australia and Argentina, i heard an Argentinian professor talking on the subject and he felt it was the hardship this country faced that held it together and see us still the most prosperous while Argentina has fallen. We have now lost this edge and if we are not careful the current generations will kill this country with the success of our parents and their own self indulgence.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 2:23pm:

muso wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 2:17pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 1:49pm: Which 'Traditional Values' are we talking about here???? Do you mean: Mateship, A Fair Go, Being Neighbourly, Treating others as you want to be treated?? Or the 'darker ones' like: Treating migrants like crap, Refusing to hire non-whites Refusing to hire women (because they should be bare-foot and pregnant) Getting drunk and beating up anyone with a different culture, sexual preference or skin colour??? Does anybody remember the Australian movie "Wake in Fright"? It was shot in 1971. It's a reasonably good  portrayal of what life was like back then. If you can find a copy of it, watch it, and you'll appreciate much more what Australia is now compared to what it was. It starred Gary Bond, Donald Pleasence and Chips Rafferty, and was based in  a fictitious town of Bundayabba (The Yabba) which reminded me of Mount Isa.  The film itself was very well directed. Cultural cringe alright. That raises vague memories from late night TV of my youth.... The stabbing the roo to death scene and vomitting while having sex with the woman scene are familiar....

Muso: Some of us were too busy being born at around that time lol :P

Gizmo: Familiar in what way? I'm only asking because (re the latter part of your sentence) .. unfortunately I still see people like that about on a Saturday night around some parts of the city of Sydney. Thankfully .. it's from a safe distance and I'm in a vehicle lol :)

You were born in 1971 Lisa?!

1970 Andrei. Why?

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 2:33pm:

muso wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 2:27pm: That's the one. I think everybody who talks about the good old days should watch that movie. That and 'Sunday Too Far Away'... Of course neither of those films entirely show ALL of Australian values...or life.

Obviously not!  I wonder if every generation likes to kid itself into feeling superior to preceeding ones?

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 5:58pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 2:23pm: muso wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 2:17pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 1:49pm: Which 'Traditional Values' are we talking about here???? Do you mean: Mateship, A Fair Go, Being Neighbourly, Treating others as you want to be treated?? Or the 'darker ones' like: Treating migrants like crap, Refusing to hire non-whites Refusing to hire women (because they should be bare-foot and pregnant) Getting drunk and beating up anyone with a different culture, sexual preference or skin colour??? Does anybody remember the Australian movie "Wake in Fright"? It was shot in 1971. It's a reasonably good  portrayal of what life was like back then. If you can find a copy of it, watch it, and you'll appreciate much more what Australia is now compared to what it was. It starred Gary Bond, Donald Pleasence and Chips Rafferty, and was based in  a fictitious town of Bundayabba (The Yabba) which reminded me of Mount Isa.  The film itself was very well directed. Cultural cringe alright. That raises vague memories from late night TV of my youth.... The stabbing the roo to death scene and vomitting while having sex with the woman scene are familiar.... Muso: Some of us were too busy being born at around that time lol :P Gizmo: Familiar in what way? I'm only asking because (re the latter part of your sentence) .. unfortunately I still see people like that about on a Saturday night around some parts of the city of Sydney. Thankfully .. it's from a safe distance and I'm in a vehicle lol :)

Familar as in I have a memory of watching that scene in the movie...

<<So Aussie Values to me are mateship, defiance of authority, and strong family values that carry us in the hard times. >>
...........................................................

Well said nairbe, and a very good take on what we used to be like and how we have changed. Howard took the ideology's of this country back 50 years.

Thanks Pansi, It always amazes me how we seem to be able to forget our past unless we want to make a nationalist statement.
It is sad the current generations (including mine) are so easily lead by a media hell bent on sensational coverage and commercialisation.
The truth seems to only be considered in our society when it is convenient.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 7^th, 2011 at 6:25am:

<<So Aussie Values to me are mateship, defiance of authority, and strong family values that carry us in the hard times. >> ........................................................... Well said nairbe, and a very good take on what we used to be like and how we have changed. Howard took the ideology's of this country back 50 years.

Took the ideologies of this country back 50 years?  How did he do that?  What a marvelous achievement!

Still waiting for woody`s version of the reasons for the White Australia Policy.

Hint : Without it Australia would have gone bankrupt and starved.

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 5:58pm:

Muso: Some of us were too busy being born at around that time lol :P Gizmo: Familiar in what way? I'm only asking because (re the latter part of your sentence) .. unfortunately I still see people like that about on a Saturday night around some parts of the city of Sydney. Thankfully .. it's from a safe distance and I'm in a vehicle lol :)

Lisa,

See if you can find the movie. It really is an eye opener.  We take the technology of today for granted apart from anything else.

We are much much better off now in terms of lifestyle than we were in the 1970's.

(I was pretty young then too LOL)

The White Australia Policy is summarised pretty well here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy

Even if you wanted to return to those 'halcyon' days for some reason or other, there is no way that you can, because Australia is now a reasonable mixture of ethnicities, and they all have a vote.

So it remains as just an indelible blot on our past cultural landscape.  It's faintly discernable in the distance as a harsh dry distant pinnacle that some people see as a land of milk and honey, and it's all the more luring because you can't actually get there.

It's a mirage. No more than that.

muso wrote on Mar 7^th, 2011 at 8:26am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 5:58pm: Muso: Some of us were too busy being born at around that time lol :P Gizmo: Familiar in what way? I'm only asking because (re the latter part of your sentence) .. unfortunately I still see people like that about on a Saturday night around some parts of the city of Sydney. Thankfully .. it's from a safe distance and I'm in a vehicle lol :) Lisa, See if you can find the movie. It really is an eye opener.  We take the technology of today for granted apart from anything else. We are much much better off now in terms of lifestyle than we were in the 1970's. (I was pretty young then too LOL) The White Australia Policy is summarised pretty well here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy Even if you wanted to return to those 'halcyon' days for some reason or other, there is no way that you can, because Australia is now a reasonable mixture of ethnicities, and they all have a vote. So it remains as just an indelible blot on our past cultural landscape.  It's faintly discernable in the distance as a harsh dry distant pinnacle that some people see as a land of milk and honey, and it's all the more luring because you can't actually get there. It's a mirage. No more than that.

Muso

I watched the movie last night. As a matter of fact .. anyone can access the movie by clicking here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkgwbNCD9l4&playnext=1&list=PL94C6907D53EB8C64

It's segmented into parts .. but the above link effectively enables you to view the entire movie.