LABORS AGENDA RUN BY THE GREENS . ?

BOB BROWN THE UNOFFICIAL PM OF AUSTRALIA. ?

Thats the talk right now in parts of the media and on thursday's DAILY TELEGRAPH headlines mentioned some minor revolt in the labor party where senior Labor members confronted JuLIAR GilLIAR about there thoughts of the alliance and how uncomfortable they were about an impression OUT THERE, that the greens are running Labors agenda. especially the carbon tax, gay marriage and euthansia.

The Courier Mail has this (and much more) to say:


"LIKE Kermit, Julia Gillard is discovering it's not easy being green.

The risk of a voter backlash against Labor's new plan for a carbon tax is only the beginning of the green-tinged threat that hovers over Gillard's agenda.

Greens deputy Christine Milne did not do Gillard any favours when she declared the new deal for a carbon tax up to five years before an emissions trading scheme would not have been possible without her party's influence over Labor.

"It's happening because we have shared power in Australia," a beaming Milne explained.

"The Greens are in the balance of power and working with the other parties to deliver not only aspirations, but the process to achieve it."

Gillard begged to differ about the Greens' influence, although she went on say she was grasping the "opportunities" afforded her by the hung Parliament."

Its amazing that a whopping 85% of population back in the last election in august didnt vote for him, but thats the results of JuLIAR Gilliards grubby deals on the run to help Labor crawl back into power, and avoid an embarrassing defeat after one term.

stryder wrote on Mar 5^th, 2011 at 3:55pm:

Its amazing that a whopping 85% of population back in the last election in august didnt vote for him, but thats the results of JuLIAR Gilliards grubby deals on the run to help Labor crawl back into power, and avoid an embarrassing defeat after one term.

according to Laurie Oakes the famous Labor cheer leader anyone that disagrees with gillard is a redneck and foaming at the mouth

he laughing ly says anyone that agrees with revolt against gillards tax is a wingnut  and is stirring up hate../. of course his language wouldnt do much hate stirring would it..

what is it with these lefties they think they can call anyone anything they like and no one gets upset but call a lefty a wingnut or gillard an assassin and a liar and they are causing political hatred...

well I beg to differ gillard is pretty good at dishing it out in parliament like her old mate keating.. very good and very spiteful.. so Mr Oakes you and your cronies can suck it up and get used to it..because like it or not Labor have created a mini emporer now lets see you slay him...because he wont go quietly

Well,  here is JUST ONE poll result -  have a look at the number of voters - more than TWENTY ONE THOUSAND IN JUST ONE POLL,  and this has been mirrored in most of the other on line polls,  even the most one eyed left supporter would have to see that the idea of a Carbon Tax is very, very unpopular , so therefore the Greens will be out of favour taking Labor with them.

http://www.2gb.com/images/stories/programmeinfo/alan_jones/20101018-carbontaxresults.jpg

Did you know that the disgusting looney Bob brown declared that the CARBON TAX was a greens plan.

Did you know that Bob Brown reinstated 300 million dollars of programs through tax payers money to get HIS support for the flood levy.

Oh poor Carbon dioxide,

The greens have demonised any volume of CO2 that is beyond what they accept.

And yet they want us to forget that without carbon dioxide on this planet, THEY WOULD BE NO LIFE.

http://www.2gb.com/images/stories/zegs_cartoons/20100909_zeg.jpg

nichy wrote on Mar 5^th, 2011 at 4:29pm:

Well,  here is JUST ONE poll result -  have a look at the number of voters - more than TWENTY ONE THOUSAND IN JUST ONE POLL,  and this has been mirrored in most of the other on line polls,  even the most one eyed left supporter would have to see that the idea of a Carbon Tax is very, very unpopular , so therefore the Greens will be out of favour taking Labor with them. http://www.2gb.com/images/stories/programmeinfo/alan_jones/20101018-carbontaxresults.jpg

I will await the NSW STate election the people are not silly and it will be very interesting to see what or if the greens suffer because of this. I cant believe there isnt a better way to deal with this. how about we stop building th eMcMansions that take up masses of power no matter how green it is  even vacuuming would take hours. we have stopped being sensible everything now is ridiculous.

look like Gooliar can't get out of the Green now .. look at her face .. she is so green ..

http://images.smh.com.au/2010/09/03/1904890/gillard-greens-420x0.jpg


We are so in tune……… ;D

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_PgRd9bGIf_Q/TH44aBFjZqI/AAAAAAAAET4/yNpMQys6Gz8/s400/panel%201.jpg


;D

stryder wrote on Mar 5^th, 2011 at 3:43pm:

LABORS AGENDA RUN BY THE GREENS . ? BOB BROWN THE UNOFFICIAL PM OF AUSTRALIA. ?

You mean that some people didnt know these facts?

tickfen wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 8:43am:

stryder wrote on Mar 5th, 2011 at 3:43pm: LABORS AGENDA RUN BY THE GREENS . ? BOB BROWN THE UNOFFICIAL PM OF AUSTRALIA. ? You mean that some people didnt know these facts?

So Bob Brown has achieved what Abbott could not. No wonder the Hard Righters are chasing their tails. Perhaps it's Abbott, not Bob Brown, that is holding the Hard Right Agenda back.

Time for a new Liberal Party Leader?

well the alp have a new leader, bob turdy brown!

____ wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 8:47am:

tickfen wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:43am: stryder wrote on Mar 5th, 2011 at 3:43pm: LABORS AGENDA RUN BY THE GREENS . ? BOB BROWN THE UNOFFICIAL PM OF AUSTRALIA. ? You mean that some people didnt know these facts? So Bob Brown has achieved what Abbott could not. No wonder the Hard Righters are chasing their tails. Perhaps it's Abbott, not Bob Brown, that is holding the Hard Right Agenda back. Time for a new Liberal Party Leader?

What is THAT supposed to mean? ;D

mavisdavis wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 8:52am:

Quote: So Bob Brown has achieved what Abbott could not. No wonder the Hard Righters are chasing their tails. Perhaps it's Abbott, not Bob Brown, that is holding the Hard Right Agenda back. Time for a new Liberal Party Leader? What is THAT supposed to mean? ;D

It means that the Liberals & their supporters are so terrified of the Greens that they will stoop to any low to destroy them - violence and lies are becoming commonplace amongst the Coalition. Abbott is allowing this.

The Coalition needs a leader who is democratic and sane and those qualities don't exist in Abbott.

mantra wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 10:10am:

The Coalition needs a leader who is democratic and sane and those qualities don't exist in Abbott.

A leader with class eh?

Just wondering if you remember which leader behaved disgracefully when the President of the USA addresses parliament and had to be shouted down by other AUS politicians for fear of embarrassing the country on the world stage?

Was that Abbott?

Oh no, it was our prime shirt-lifter extraordinaire - Comrade Bob Brown of Mardi Gras.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 10:13am:

mantra wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 10:10am: The Coalition needs a leader who is democratic and sane and those qualities don't exist in Abbott. A leader with class eh? Just wondering if you remember which leader behaved disgracefully when the President of the USA addresses parliament and had to be shouted down by other AUS politicians for fear of embarrassing the country on the world stage? Was that Abbott? Oh no, it was our prime shirt-lifter extraordinaire - Comrade Bob Brown of Mardi Gras.

Bush was himself a disgrace. Period!

mantra wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 10:10am:

mavisdavis wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:52am: Quote: So Bob Brown has achieved what Abbott could not. No wonder the Hard Righters are chasing their tails. Perhaps it's Abbott, not Bob Brown, that is holding the Hard Right Agenda back. Time for a new Liberal Party Leader? What is THAT supposed to mean? ;D It means that the Liberals & their supporters are so terrified of the Greens that they will stoop to any low to destroy them - violence and lies are becoming commonplace amongst the Coalition. Abbott is allowing this. The Coalition needs a leader who is democratic and sane and those qualities don't exist in Abbott.

Dogmatic right whingers seem to need an enemy to justify inaction and lack of positive policy direction...

Little do they know that they are doing themselves a disservice by obsessively sqawking over the Greens - not least because they are giving the Greens legitimacy by drawing negative attention to themselves...

Long may they try to lie and lord over us, whilst failing to appreciate that leadership is about demonstrating personal integrity by promoting mutual respect, trust and responsibility - and presenting a positive vision for the future...

::)

nichy wrote on Mar 5^th, 2011 at 4:29pm:

Well,  here is JUST ONE poll result -  have a look at the number of voters - more than TWENTY ONE THOUSAND IN JUST ONE POLL,  and this has been mirrored in most of the other on line polls,  even the most one eyed left supporter would have to see that the idea of a Carbon Tax is very, very unpopular , so therefore the Greens will be out of favour taking Labor with them. http://www.2gb.com/images/stories/programmeinfo/alan_jones/20101018-carbontaxresults.jpg

Yeah that poll was used last week but unfortunately the poster put a link up to it so we all know its straight from the screaming queens homepage(2gb jones)

the screaming queens homepage(2gb jones)...

Aren't you being somewhat homophobic dsmithy ?  I thought your side was supposed to be all-embracing .


Who cares whose homepage it's from.  Twenty one thousand plus have put their names to a protest against the Gillard/Brown carbon tax,  and the same applies to many, many polls elsewhere.  Alan Jones is only one of many broadcasters giving people the chance to voice their opposition.  

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Alan Jones is only one of many broadcasters giving people the chance to voice their opposition

That should read
Alan Jones is one of the loonie teabaggers inciting violence and opposition to anything this government does.

nichy wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 12:43pm:

the screaming queens homepage(2gb jones)... Aren't you being somewhat homophobic dsmithy ?  I thought your side was supposed to be all-embracing . Who cares whose homepage it's from.  Twenty one thousand plus have put their names to a protest against the Gillard/Brown carbon tax,  and the same applies to many, many polls elsewhere.  Alan Jones is only one of many broadcasters giving people the chance to voice their opposition.

One obvious point of relevance, is that Jones is one who has been vocal in accusing Gillard of lying over carbon pricing...

This is rather ironic, since this man leads a double life - which is in effect living a lie...

Hint: how many of his rabid anti-climate science supporters are also homophobic!?  How many of them would feel justified in giving him a 'good kicking' if they came across him cruising for sex in public loos, albeit in disguise!?



(Most puns mostly intended!)

Equitist wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 12:54pm:

nichy wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 12:43pm: the screaming queens homepage(2gb jones)... Aren't you being somewhat homophobic dsmithy ?  I thought your side was supposed to be all-embracing . Who cares whose homepage it's from.  Twenty one thousand plus have put their names to a protest against the Gillard/Brown carbon tax,  and the same applies to many, many polls elsewhere.  Alan Jones is only one of many broadcasters giving people the chance to voice their opposition.   One obvious point of relevance, is that Jones is one who has been vocal in accusing Gillard of lying over carbon pricing... This is rather ironic, since this man leads a double life - which is in effect living a lie... Hint: how many of his rabid anti-climate science supporters are also homophobic!?  How many of them would feel justified in giving him a 'good kicking' if they came across him cruising for sex in public loos, albeit in disguise!? (Most puns mostly intended!)

Just so you know, & hopefully stop embarrasing yourself, your last few posts that I`ve looked at make you look even madder than ever.

nichy wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 12:43pm:

the screaming queens homepage(2gb jones)... Aren't you being somewhat homophobic dsmithy ?  I thought your side was supposed to be all-embracing . Who cares whose homepage it's from.  Twenty one thousand plus have put their names to a protest against the Gillard/Brown carbon tax,  and the same applies to many, many polls elsewhere.  Alan Jones is only one of many broadcasters giving people the chance to voice their opposition.

Whats wrong nichy, suffering an hyprocrisy attack?
Take a read of the responses on the gay marriage thread, look at the Greens running the government thread and how the gay marriage angle is used as a scare tactic along with ethanasia.
You guys are pathetic you change your position on everything to suit the current discussion at least I'm consistent, my values don't change every thread.
and BTW I'm just using a tag for homosexuals that is well used by your side of politics except when one seems to be supporting a position you want pushed.

mavisdavis wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 1:01pm:

Equitist wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 12:54pm: nichy wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 12:43pm: the screaming queens homepage(2gb jones)... Aren't you being somewhat homophobic dsmithy ?  I thought your side was supposed to be all-embracing . Who cares whose homepage it's from.  Twenty one thousand plus have put their names to a protest against the Gillard/Brown carbon tax,  and the same applies to many, many polls elsewhere.  Alan Jones is only one of many broadcasters giving people the chance to voice their opposition.   One obvious point of relevance, is that Jones is one who has been vocal in accusing Gillard of lying over carbon pricing... This is rather ironic, since this man leads a double life - which is in effect living a lie... Hint: how many of his rabid anti-climate science supporters are also homophobic!?  How many of them would feel justified in giving him a 'good kicking' if they came across him cruising for sex in public loos, albeit in disguise!? (Most puns mostly intended!) Just so you know, & hopefully stop embarrasing yourself, your last few posts that I`ve looked at make you look even madder than ever.

LOL, Mavis...did I get up your nose at around 10:23 am today!?

Either way, I think I should take that as a compliment from you...

:-*

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 1:02pm:

nichy wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 12:43pm: the screaming queens homepage(2gb jones)... Aren't you being somewhat homophobic dsmithy ?  I thought your side was supposed to be all-embracing . Who cares whose homepage it's from.  Twenty one thousand plus have put their names to a protest against the Gillard/Brown carbon tax,  and the same applies to many, many polls elsewhere.  Alan Jones is only one of many broadcasters giving people the chance to voice their opposition.   Whats wrong nichy, suffering an hyprocrisy attack? Take a read of the responses on the gay marriage thread, look at the Greens running the government thread and how the gay marriage angle is used as a scare tactic along with ethanasia. You guys are pathetic you change your position on everything to suit the current discussion at least I'm consistent, my values don't change every thread. and BTW I'm just using a tag for homosexuals that is well used by your side of politics except when one seems to be supporting a position you want pushed.

Come on smithy, dont you know its ok to be gay,as long as you are an extremist right wing loonie teabagger.

Equitist wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 10:23am:

Dogmatic right whingers seem to need an enemy to justify inaction and lack of positive policy direction... Little do they know that they are doing themselves a disservice by obsessively sqawking over the Greens - not least because they are giving the Greens legitimacy by drawing negative attention to themselves... Long may they try to lie and lord over us, whilst failing to appreciate that leadership is about demonstrating personal integrity by promoting mutual respect, trust and responsibility - and presenting a positive vision for the future... ::)

The Greens, the wowsers of our times,  will go the way of the Dem at the next election.

"The Greens are the party of punishers and straighteners, the wowsers of the 21st century, the fun police, the Malthusian pessimists, the pinched-face moralists lecturing the rest of us on our sins, forcing their god Gaia down our throats."
Miranda got is just right.

You don't see many posts on the Environment forum by Greens. That's because they are far more interested in social control than the envitronment.

Soren wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 1:16pm:

Equitist wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 10:23am: Dogmatic right whingers seem to need an enemy to justify inaction and lack of positive policy direction... Little do they know that they are doing themselves a disservice by obsessively sqawking over the Greens - not least because they are giving the Greens legitimacy by drawing negative attention to themselves... Long may they try to lie and lord over us, whilst failing to appreciate that leadership is about demonstrating personal integrity by promoting mutual respect, trust and responsibility - and presenting a positive vision for the future... ::) The Greens, the wowsers of our times,  will go the way of the Dem at the next election. "The Greens are the party of punishers and straighteners, the wowsers of the 21st century, the fun police, the Malthusian pessimists, the pinched-face moralists lecturing the rest of us on our sins, forcing their god Gaia down our throats." Miranda got is just right. You don't see many posts on the Environment forum by Green. That's because they are far more interested in social control than the envitronment.

The days of the Greens just being a 1 issue party are long over.

LOL...I may have been mistaken...



mavisdavis wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 1:09pm:

Equitist wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 9:30am: LOL...how's your catfighting approach going for you, Mavis!? ::) MEOWWWWWWWWWWW!

::)

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 1:23pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 1:16pm: Equitist wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 10:23am: Dogmatic right whingers seem to need an enemy to justify inaction and lack of positive policy direction... Little do they know that they are doing themselves a disservice by obsessively sqawking over the Greens - not least because they are giving the Greens legitimacy by drawing negative attention to themselves... Long may they try to lie and lord over us, whilst failing to appreciate that leadership is about demonstrating personal integrity by promoting mutual respect, trust and responsibility - and presenting a positive vision for the future... ::) The Greens, the wowsers of our times,  will go the way of the Dem at the next election. "The Greens are the party of punishers and straighteners, the wowsers of the 21st century, the fun police, the Malthusian pessimists, the pinched-face moralists lecturing the rest of us on our sins, forcing their god Gaia down our throats." Miranda got is just right. You don't see many posts on the Environment forum by Green. That's because they are far more interested in social control than the envitronment. The days of the Greens just being a 1 issue party are long over.

Yer, to use a loose traffic light analogy: doGmatic Libs worship the Dickensian and Howardian eras and use the rhetoric of 'stop' everything - but the progressive Greens are 'go'!

stryder wrote on Mar 5^th, 2011 at 3:43pm:

LABORS AGENDA RUN BY THE GREENS . ? BOB BROWN THE UNOFFICIAL PM OF AUSTRALIA. ? Thats the talk right now in parts of the media and on thursday's DAILY TELEGRAPH headlines mentioned some minor revolt in the labor party where senior Labor members confronted JuLIAR GilLIAR about there thoughts of the alliance and how uncomfortable they were about an impression OUT THERE, that the greens are running Labors agenda. especially the carbon tax, gay marriage and euthansia.

LOL no names, just rhetoric, and from the poison dwarf at that,LOL LOL LOL  ;D ;D ;D

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 10:13am:

A leader with class eh? Just wondering if you remember which leader behaved disgracefully when the President of the USA addresses parliament and had to be shouted down by other AUS politicians for fear of embarrassing the country on the world stage? Was that Abbott? Oh no, it was our prime shirt-lifter extraordinaire - Comrade Bob Brown of Mardi Gras.

Senator Brown is courageous regardless of how the rednecks view his sexuality. No-one else had the guts to speak out against Bush's actions - Howard was too busy licking his boots.

Perhaps Brown didn't follow protocol - but then he never has. He got his message through loud and clear and that was the point of it.

I don't think anyone gave a stuff what Bush thought, although some might have pretended they did.

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LOL no names, just rhetoric, and from the poison dwarf at that,LOL LOL LOL

by Skippy


THE DAILY TELEGRAPH reported that three senior MPs - NSW senator Steve Hutchins, South Australian senator Don Farrell and Queensland senator and president of the Senate John Hogg - voiced their deep and valid concerns about the party's direction to Gillard, Swan and Trade Minister Craig Emerson on Wednesday.

It sounds as though that these members of the labor party are scared that the GREENS alliance could ruin the Labor party's chances with the electorate

stryder wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 3:14pm:

It sounds as though that these members of the labor party are scared that the GREENS alliance could ruin the Labor party's chances with the electorate

Labor would be stupid to listen to scaremongering from the opposition - because that's all it is.

Although - it would be nice for the opposition if they did - killing two birds with the one stone.

Let's not forget the Liberal/National Alliance where they depended on seats from the Nationals to form government.

http://images.smh.com.au/2010/04/15/1328722/1_Life_in_the_Left_Lane-420x0.jpg

a  reply  on another forum ( crikey Poll Bludger ) on same issue;
     
OzPol Tragic
Posted Sunday, March 6, 2011 at 10:22 am | Permalink

Post  ~Morning all…Gary, I think the mainstream electorate is very worried about the Greens being in pseudo-power. It was a mistake for Julia to sign her pact with BB. ~

Reply- ~ Huh?
1. The “mainstream” electorate pays little attention to politics, except at Budget & Election time. That’s one great silent tribute to the effectiveness of Oz politics & gov!

2. Most Labor voters and traditional Liberals true to the party as it was before 1996, 2nd preference Greens.

3. You’d have to be young not to remember the original great environmental issues – The Rocks, Lake Peddar, Cooloola Sands, Fraser Island , Great Barrier Reef –> Gordon-Below-Franklin and the High Court decision on that. In all of those (as in Scrap the WAP, Vote “YES” in the Aboriginal Referendum) the Change Masters & Makers were informal coalitions of Liberal, Labor, Australia P/ Democrat, TUs, “greenies” – note: in a couple of environmental projects, the WAP & AR, those who delivered the legislation were

4. In the last 50 years since 1960s activism changes Australia’s When bread was white & cheese was Kraft attitudinal landscape, so much of the original agendas was mainstreamed under Holt, Gorton, Whitlam, Fraser and Hawke-Keating :

* environmentlism – (fauna & flora) phasing out whaling industry, conservation of other marine life, conservation of native fauna & flora species, putting aside an increasing amount of significant land in National & State parks, Heritage Listing, ecotourism & with matching facilities, returning some/ more water to rivers and lakes turned dry by dams etc –> a much greater awareness, from childhood, of the importance of these issues;

* acceptance of a much wider variety of raw & processed food (much of it of nonAnglo-celtic origin), and a variety health issues involved in food production and consumption;

* acceptance of “greenhouse”-neutral gardening (inc organic), housing & power;

* before Howard needed to win back Pauline Hanson’s voters, a strengthening tolerance of other races and religions, and a very positive embrace of multiculturalism

* non-discrimination in Parliaments & Councils, government/official appointments (inc research), public services and throughout the private workforce
to name a few.

NB: note that, originally, Libs were the strongest supporters of a non-racist, non-sexist, tolerant Australia. Whitlam’s election to the leader of the ALP made it bi-partisan. The Country/National party, representing rural townsfolk (inc itinerant, mainly AWU-organised rural workers) farmers with mainly small to medium size holdings, and Big Mining interests, did not support these initiatives.
Though its Fed arm started recruiting the religious right (esp RC) earlier & it picked up votes from USA-style fundamentalists who, in SEQ, voted for Joh BP, Pauline Hanson, RW Shockjocks (esp Alan Jones) & Tampa 2001 mark an amazing Liberal about-face on its own ‘l’iberal values and stances – as Fraser, Cheney, Turnbull and others point out. Under Tony Abbott’s leadership almost all semblance of the Party of Menzies, Holt, Gorton, Fraser, Peacock – even Turnbull – has disappeared.

The mainstream electorate is very worried? I don’t think so; nor does anyone who read Possum’s artricle on the “Liberal demographic train-wreck.”

Demographically, the mainstream electorate is not aging Liberals, racists, religious fundamentalists & their political arms, the Nats, shockjocks and their scared, weird, poorly-educated, bigoted Whities. The mainstream electorate is well-educated (at least on paper) social-networking GenY (increasingly), GenX and Baby Boomers – all majority ALP/Green voters – with about 42% ALP/Green voters in the remaining, aging demographics.

As widely reported, dropping CPRS cost Rudd his support; dumping Rudd and the CPRS during the election almost cost Gillard the election – especially loss of Q seats (losses were minimal elsewhere; there were gains in Vic.) IOW dumping CPRS cost ALP heavily and almost handed Abbott victory. That’s reality.
That mainstream electorate is predominantly ALP/Green voting!

mantra wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 10:10am:

mavisdavis wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:52am: Quote: So Bob Brown has achieved what Abbott could not. No wonder the Hard Righters are chasing their tails. Perhaps it's Abbott, not Bob Brown, that is holding the Hard Right Agenda back. Time for a new Liberal Party Leader? What is THAT supposed to mean? ;D It means that the Liberals & their supporters are so terrified of the Greens that they will stoop to any low to destroy them - violence and lies are becoming commonplace amongst the Coalition. Abbott is allowing this. The Coalition needs a leader who is democratic and sane and those qualities don't exist in Abbott.

'terrified of the Greens'... funny that! scared of a party that can ONLY get elected with the support of the Liberals - who wil now probably nationally deny them preferences. Without the Liberals there would be no hope of a lower house seat and less than half the senators.

Bye By Greens next federal election!

mantra wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 2:59pm:

Perhaps Brown didn't follow protocol - but then he never has.

And you think that's someone who should be in a position of authority and responsibility guiding the country is it??

Equitist wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 10:23am:

mantra wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 10:10am: mavisdavis wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:52am: Quote: So Bob Brown has achieved what Abbott could not. No wonder the Hard Righters are chasing their tails. Perhaps it's Abbott, not Bob Brown, that is holding the Hard Right Agenda back. Time for a new Liberal Party Leader? What is THAT supposed to mean? ;D It means that the Liberals & their supporters are so terrified of the Greens that they will stoop to any low to destroy them - violence and lies are becoming commonplace amongst the Coalition. Abbott is allowing this. The Coalition needs a leader who is democratic and sane and those qualities don't exist in Abbott. Dogmatic right whingers seem to need an enemy to justify inaction and lack of positive policy direction... Little do they know that they are doing themselves a disservice by obsessively sqawking over the Greens - not least because they are giving the Greens legitimacy by drawing negative attention to themselves... Long may they try to lie and lord over us, whilst failing to appreciate that leadership is about demonstrating personal integrity by promoting mutual respect, trust and responsibility - and presenting a positive vision for the future... ::)

Even the most corroded greens supported should realise that post 2013 Federal election The Greens will be banished to the annals of Australian Political history.  With any luck the ALP will join them, but they might just hang on to a few seats; Gillards won't be one of them.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 1:23pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 1:16pm: Equitist wrote on Mar 6th, 2011 at 10:23am: Dogmatic right whingers seem to need an enemy to justify inaction and lack of positive policy direction... Little do they know that they are doing themselves a disservice by obsessively sqawking over the Greens - not least because they are giving the Greens legitimacy by drawing negative attention to themselves... Long may they try to lie and lord over us, whilst failing to appreciate that leadership is about demonstrating personal integrity by promoting mutual respect, trust and responsibility - and presenting a positive vision for the future... ::) The Greens, the wowsers of our times,  will go the way of the Dem at the next election. "The Greens are the party of punishers and straighteners, the wowsers of the 21st century, the fun police, the Malthusian pessimists, the pinched-face moralists lecturing the rest of us on our sins, forcing their god Gaia down our throats." Miranda got is just right. You don't see many posts on the Environment forum by Green. That's because they are far more interested in social control than the envitronment. The days of the Greens just being a 1 issue party are long over.

Smithy the days of the Greens being a political party in Australia are all but over.

It was only today I realised that the Greens in Ireland - who were part of the minority Government that got the country in such an economic mess - were completely wiped out at the last election.

This carbon tax could see the same in Australia.

The Greens do not appeal to those of us in the middle.

qikvtec wrote on Mar 6^th, 2011 at 4:31pm:

Even the most corroded greens supported should realise that post 2013 Federal election The Greens will be banished to the annals of Australian Political history.  With any luck the ALP will join them, but they might just hang on to a few seats; Gillards won't be one of them.

Frankly, I don't think that anybody can accurately predict how the next 2 years will pan out politically in Oz...

The only thing that I would be prepared to wager at the moment is that: the Libs will need to both ditch doGmatic Abbott and resoundingly-denounce all of his rabid religious-righteous cronies and their extremist policies, in order to try to win over the moderate centrist swinging voters...

In the absence of a change of Lib leadership, I do not expect any major shift away from the current polling - but ditching and denouncing Abbott & Co could well prove to be an election-winning move...

Apparently, Windsor intends to leave Parliament and I wouldn't be surprised if ol' Katter called it a day as well...

For various reasons, Oakeshott's future is less certain - I would like to see him stay on and prove his critics wrong by being democratically re-elected...

As for the Labs and the Greens, they will either need to cement their political marriage of convenience or formally divorce - both approaches carry significant risks for both parties in the public eye and therefore at the ballot box...

I do not believe that the Greens will suffer a savage electoral hit at the Federal level (they could increase their vote if the LibLabs don't give enough priority to environmental and socio-economic equity and human rights issues) - oh, and I expect that Brown will enact a leadership succession plan for the Greens...