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Title: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by gillarddidnotlie on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 4:30pm

450 Grooms Wed GIRLS Under Ten In Gaza

By Paul L. Williams, Ph.D.

A gala event has occurred in Gaza recently...

Hamas sponsored a mass wedding for four hundred and fifty couples.
Most of the grooms were in their mid to late twenties; most of brides were under ten.

Muslim dignitaries including Mahmud Zahar, a leader of Hamas, were on hand to congratulate the couples who took part in the carefully staged celebration.

We are saying to the world and to America that you cannot deny us joy and happiness, Zahar told the grooms, all of whom were dressed in identical black suits and hailed from the nearby Jabalia refugee camp.

Each groom received a gift of 500 dollars from Hamas.

The pre-pubescent girls, dressed in white gowns and adorned with garish make-up, received bridal bouquets.

We are presenting this wedding as a gift to our people who stood firm in the face of the siege and the war, Local Hamas strongman Ibrahim Salaf said in a speech.

The wedding photos tell the rest of the sordid tale.

Have any of you seen this documentary?

"Lessons in hate and violence-Islam"

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/lessons-hate-violence/

If not, it's free to watch at the above link.

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We should allow Muslims to practise their culture, (even if this means marrying prepubescent girls) as a token of our multicultural ways here in Australia.

Yes?

Where were our troops when this was happening?

Title: Re: Lets not be racist, and respect muslims culture
Post by gillarddidnotlie on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 4:34pm

Lets not discriminate against this?

I WONDER WHAT THOSE THOUSANDS OF SINGLE MEN FROM THE MIDDLE EAST THAT RUDD AND GILLARD LAID DOWN THE RED CARPET INTO OUR ONCE BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY ...WHAT WILL THEY DO FOR THEIR CHILD BRIDE? GO BACK TO THE HORRIBLE COUNTRY THEY LEFT IN TERROR TO BRING BACK THEIR "CULTURE"???

KEATING OPEN THE DOOR TO THE LEBANESE AND WE HAVE HAD TROUBLE WITH THEM EVER SINCE.

Mass Muslim Marriage in Gaza
Poor kids - what a terrible fate to be born as a girl in a Muslim country

Muhammed married a six year old bride. But he was kind enough to wait until she was nine years old to consumate the "marriage". But Islam has evolved in 1500 years. In Hamasland, in 2009, the brides are almost seven.

The International Center for Research on Women now estimates that there are 51 million child brides now living on planet earth and almost all in Muslim countries.

Twenty-nine percent of these child brides are regularly beaten and molested by their husbands in Egypt ; twenty six percent receive similar abuse in Jordan .

Every year, three million Muslim girls are subjected to genital mutilation, according to UNICEF. This practice has not been outlawed in many parts of America ..

Title: Re: Lets not be racist, and respect muslims culture
Post by gillarddidnotlie on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 4:45pm

How did our troops miss 450 Grooms wedding 450 girls under age ten In Gaza?

Or weren't we supposed to learn of this Muslim cultural spectacle?

If not, why not?

Is this tolerance?

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by gillarddidnotlie on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 4:56pm

Where do we draw the line, when it comes to respecting others right to practice their own culture here in Australia?

Or are we still trying to figure this out?

It's a fine line!

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by Greens_lose on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 7:41pm

A degree of protectionism will be required, especially after a left-leaning irresponsible GALP alliance sets our nation back another 15 years or so...(some think as much as 40 years if the red-books are in anyway reliable). Hence treasury have been calling upon a Gillard government to produce her promised sustainable population policy.

This is progress?

If you think so, then you are kidding yourself, as individuals, key-members of the Greens and ALP have benefited much to the Australian tax-payers expense.

This is what we voted for Australia.

The only thing we can do now is vote our way out of this mess, and hope the next conservative more socially responsible government is lead by the right Liberal leader.

I don't believe anyone other than Abbott has his heart in the right place, this or is capable of delivering us from the grips of the radical left.

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by mantra on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 7:51pm

Quote:

The only thing we can do now is vote our way out of this mess, and hope the next conservative more socially responsible government is lead by the right Liberal leader.

Only 12% of Australians reject multiculturalism - you're in a minority.

Quote:

I don't believe anyone other than Abbott has his heart in the right place, this or is capable of delivering us from the grips of the radical left.

Are you trying to make people sick? You're posting exactly the same rubbish as Mellie - word for word.

How about some facts for a change - not the "assumptions" you're usually prone to spewing out.

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by Greens_lose on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 7:54pm

mantra wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 7:51pm:

Quote:

The only thing we can do now is vote our way out of this mess, and hope the next conservative more socially responsible government is lead by the right Liberal leader.

Only 12% of Australians reject multiculturalism - you're in a minority.

[quote]I don't believe anyone other than Abbott has his heart in the right place, this or is capable of delivering us from the grips of the radical left.

Are you trying to make people sick? You're posting exactly the same rubbish as Mellie - word for word.

How about some facts for a change - not the "assumptions" you're usually prone to spewing out.[/quote]

I don't oppose a diverse culturally inclusive multicultural Australia, I oppose those cultures who oppose our existing Australian culture and way of life before they have even stepped off the boat.

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by Greens_lose on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 7:59pm

Fact: 450 little girls were wedded in Gaza under our troops very noses back in 2009.

If this is our idea of peacekeeping and instilling democracy in the middle-east then perhaps it's time we gave this a little more thought.

Were our Labor-lead troops given wedding invitations?

And did Gillard catch the bouquet?

Time to get real.

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by Greens_lose on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 8:30pm

I am right behind Israel and Bob Brown re- our need to step-up assistance, this and uphold democracy in Gaza, if we are at all serious about supporting the UN and Israel with it's concerns for upholding democracy in the Gaza strip.

Two hours ago, Gaza fired a rocket into Israel.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iSx3bawH2Byrhs9jeLIwvKaCZDKA?docId=CNG.1de1d43eba079baba9d7893981d8c7a1.261

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by Greens_lose on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 8:33pm

Does this sound familiar?

Gordon Brown served as the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Leader of the Labour Party from 2007 until 2010. Brown became Prime Minister in June 2007, after the resignation of Tony Blair and three days after becoming leader of the governing Labour Party. Immediately before this, he had served as Chancellor of the Exchequer in the Labour Government from 1997 to 2007. His tenure ended in May 2010, when he resigned as Prime Minister and Leader of the Labour Party.

Not unlike our Rudd.

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 1:49pm

With Hizb ut tahrir and sharia4australia along with madhur al islam all calling for sharia law in Australia i emailed our politicians for their policy with these idiots.

The Greens support muslims getting sharia law for family matters in Australia.

The Greens have indicated support for something that violates womens rights.

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 2:00pm

Greens_lose wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 7:59pm:

The question you need to ask is this...

Were the marriages 'consummated' on the day, or are they like the 'arranged' marriages, common to many cultures ( traditional Irish for a start)...where the wedding takes place at a young age, but the couple doesn't live together (or have sex) for 6 to 10 years afterwards????

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by mantra on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 2:12pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 1:49pm:

Can you provide some proof of this, although it's obvious where this piece of misinformation originated from - The Australian Conservative. They derived it from an apparent Greens policy - put their own fraudulent twist on it - then applied it to one of their own spiels to denigrate the Greens.

Just because you say it - doesn't mean it's true. Even the link provided by this propaganda machine is a fake.

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 2:18pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 2:00pm:

Greens_lose wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 7:59pm:

You could Google "Nujood Ali" and read her story.
Married at 9 then raped divorced at 10 child brides are very common in Yemen and Saudi Arabia, Iran also allowed them when Khomeni took over.

Read Quran 4:34- Good women are obedient if you fear disobedience beat them.

Another verse i forget which number its clear women have to have sex whenever their husband demands it even if they are cooking/cleaning.

Mohammad married a 6 yo girl called Aisha,she was his favourite wife i guess the others were not young enough.

The Quran tells you to follow the example set by Mohammad so these child brides are common in Islam.

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 2:20pm

Quote:

Just because you say it - doesn't mean it's true. Even the link provided by this propaganda machine is a fake.

Why do you say it's fake Mantra????

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 2:22pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 2:18pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 2:00pm:

Greens_lose wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 7:59pm:

I know about those Baron....I'm referring to the Gaza story....

And Aisha was 9, not 6...

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 2:25pm

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 2:26pm

LOL nice one light.....

Just such a pity I didn't actually say it....

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 2:38pm

yes gizmo has a habit of doing such things

many are observing this self absorbed propaganda

strawman and his non factual presentations.

its good viewing watching everyone realize this

light ****'s dark

namaste

-:)

________________

The Zodiac only consists of 12 signs....Ophiuchus is NOT one of them...it's a constellation, not a an astrological sign...

end quote

gizmo.

the facts have been delivered as i validate reality

once more

aaum

-:)

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 2:49pm

Awwww diddums....Did I upset you by pointing out that Ophiuchus is NOT part of the standard Zodiac and has ONLY been mentioned twice in ALL of the history of Astrology (once in 1970 and once in 1995)....

Ohhhh so sad (pardon me while I open a vein..)

Still doesn't excuse you from the MAJOR stuff up.....i.e Mantra posted the " Even the link provided by this propaganda machine is a fake." comment..

Oh by the way....How'd the 4 'massive uncloaking of UFO's' go????

What about the 'HUGE, planet wide, EMP burst, when Barrack Obama left the US' go....did it cause you any problems?????

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by mantra on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 2:59pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 2:20pm:

Quote:

Just because you say it - doesn't mean it's true. Even the link provided by this propaganda machine is a fake.

Why do you say it's fake Mantra????

The Australian Conservatives have put their own spin on a Greens policy.

Quote:

The Indonesia province of Aceh, on the island of Sumatra, has been plunged into Taliban-style Sharia Law, and all with the backing of the Australian Greens.The Australian Greens are working for:

2.1 recognition of the rights of all people with culturally and geographically separate identities to self-determination; in particular, we recognise and support the struggles of the people of West Papua, Bougainville, Tibet, Palestine, Kashmir, the Western Sahara, Aceh and Burma

http://australianconservative.com/2006/12/greens-policies-support-sharia-law-in-indonesia/

They've turned a policy of peace into one of war and they've used a link that goes nowhere.

There is a massive propaganda machine working currently against the Greens. There is no truth in the garbage that's being spewed out currently by the opposition. What they don't know - they make up and will grasp any little straw to build their lies on.

Barenvonrort has changed this spiel to an even more extremist view - claiming the Greens are advocates for Sharia Law in Australia and they support the brutality of women.

He needs to provide proof of this before making such outrageous claims.

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 3:03pm

mantra wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 2:59pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 2:20pm:

Quote:

Just because you say it - doesn't mean it's true. Even the link provided by this propaganda machine is a fake.

Why do you say it's fake Mantra????

The Australian Conservatives have put their own spin on a Greens policy.

[quote]The Indonesia province of Aceh, on the island of Sumatra, has been plunged into Taliban-style Sharia Law, and all with the backing of the Australian Greens.The Australian Greens are working for:

2.1 recognition of the rights of all people with culturally and geographically separate identities to self-determination; in particular, we recognise and support the struggles of the people of West Papua, Bougainville, Tibet, Palestine, Kashmir, the Western Sahara, Aceh and Burma

http://australianconservative.com/2006/12/greens-policies-support-sharia-law-in-indonesia/

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by mantra on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 3:12pm

I mean the news story the Conservatives created out of an innocuous policy. It's been misconstrued and perpetuated.

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by gizmo_2655 on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 3:45pm

Ok, cool...I'm with you now...

Oh and ignore my comments to the_light....I was having a go at HIM...not you..

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by life_goes_on on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 4:46pm

Quote:

Oh, you mean the Greens policy...and NOT the news story???

Both it would seem....

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/mass-muslim-marriage.shtml

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 7:11pm

yes i would be wary of the quote unquote facts

delivered by one gizmo id co intel pro agendas and transperent

suchness without judgement but observation

to wit

at least half of this

with forgiveness

namaste

-:)

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by mantra on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 7:12pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 4:46pm:

Quote:

Oh, you mean the Greens policy...and NOT the news story???

Both it would seem....

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/mass-muslim-marriage.shtml

Good work. I haven't heard of half these sites - but if their garbage is being posted here - it seriously detracts from the credibility of those who use it and pass it on here.

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by it_is_the_light on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 7:41pm

Just because you say it - doesn't mean it's true. Even the link provided by this propaganda machine is a fake.

____________

yes gizmo has a habit of doing such things

many are observing this self absorbed propaganda

strawman and his non factual presentations.

its good viewing watching everyone realize this

light ****'s dark

namaste

-:)

__________

yes you have this habit regardless of who said what

do you deny this as i have exposed you going

around bullshitting as usual confusion people with your

false analysis and bogus facts.

are you discomforted?

i continue to project truth and light

without malice and forgiveness unto/within you now

namaste

-:)

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 7:55pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 4:46pm:

Quote:

Oh, you mean the Greens policy...and NOT the news story???

Both it would seem....

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/mass-muslim-marriage.shtml

The hoax slayer needs more evidence before he can claim it was debunked he is very ignorant about Islam.

He claims the grooms were holding hands with their young nieces AND COUSINS little girls aged from 3 to 8 made up to the nines wearing white wedding dresses.

The problem with that claim is with Islam these girls are forbidden to be dressed like that in front of non mahrams and a cousin is a non mahram,the article did say nieces AND cousins.

We could ask the good sheik about wearing a white wedding dress and see what someone who preaches Islam says about this and he mentions mahrams.
Read this www.islamqa.com/en/ref/12853/wedding

We could also clarify with the same sheik on mahram status with your cousin www.islamqa.com/en/ref/114163/mahram

The good sheik tells us a female cannot wear a white wedding dress while holding the hand of her cousin- It appears its ok only when she gets married according to Islam.

I dont think i will be reading any more of the garbage from that so called hoax slayer.

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:15pm

mantra wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 2:59pm:

Barenvonrort has changed this spiel to an even more extremist view - claiming the Greens are advocates for Sharia Law in Australia and they support the brutality of women.

He needs to provide proof of this before making such outrageous claims.

I sent emails to the Greens,labor and Liberal about Sharia law.

The greens support sharia law for family matters in the email reply they gave me.

I asked them to remove me from their list that spams my email inbox.

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by Equitist on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:19pm

Oh FFS, at what age do young Xtian girls dress up in similarly-frilly white frocks and take Communion here in Oz!?

http://www.firstcommunions.com/

http://www.totallyangelic.com.au/totallyangelic/Home.html

http://www.littledream.com.au/products_holy_communion.html

And so on and so forth (there's several on this page): -

http://www.littlegirldresses.com/girls-heirloom-communion-dresses-83.html

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 9:19pm

Equitist wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:19pm:

Oh FFS, at what age do young Xtian girls dress up in similarly-frilly white frocks and take Communion here in Oz!?

Taking communion is a little different to what Hamas called a mass wedding.

Islam forbids cousins from holding hands while wearing a white wedding dress unless they are getting married i posted a link to a preacher of Islam proving that fact.

Child brides are very common in Islam the story of Nujood Ali from Yemen she was divorced at 10 yes she had sex forced on her by her husband.You could use google for "Yemeni child brides" or read this
www.nytimes.com/2008/06/29/world/middleeast/29marriage.html

One of the 5 pillars of Islam is Hajj- you go to the homeland of Islam Saudi Arabia and visit Makkah.

The Saudis have been doing child brides since Muhammad married his 6 year old neighbor called Aisha.
You could google Saudi child brides for lots more or read this.
articles.cnn.com/2009-04-12/world/saudi.child.marriage_1_appeals-court-marriage-girl-s-mother?_s=PM:WORLD

If you use google lots of evidence of child brides in Islamic countries its a muslim thing.

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by Soren on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 9:25pm

Equitist is too dizzy to know the difference. He is busy spinning, pretending to look at both sides of everything. But he isn't. He can't tell the difference between first communion and being buggered by your gradpa's uncle.

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by Equitist on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 9:36pm

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 9:25pm:

Yer, Soren, I'd be pissed off too, if someone had just showed me up like this...

Equitist wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 9:14pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 9:02pm:

Equitist wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:51pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:40pm:

This is a tax designed to placate the loonies (Greens Win, Equitist et al) who always look to the government to validate whatever they are preening about in public. As long as they are made to feel good about sticking it to th 'big polluters' (ie the generators of their electricity), they are happy. It satifies their most important political principle: to appear righteous. It's a post-religious displacement.

Do try to keep both hands above the keyboard, Soren...

Witty and creative. How do you come up with original stuff like that, day in, day out?

ROFPMSL...you mean witty, creative and original like these!?

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:23pm:

viewpoint wrote on Feb 25^th, 2011 at 7:27am:

Did you gullible idiots really think I was going to keep my word?

"Nobody in NSW politics, on either side, can figure out why Gillard chose the dying weeks of the state Labor government to announce a great big new tax designed to change the weather."

That's it - the Green/Labor view of the world summed up perfectly: a new tax to change the weather.

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:26pm:

____ wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:24pm:

Griff wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:13pm:

I saw Brown on the TV tonite and he reckons there just gonna tax the big polluters and that will save the ordinary people from the tax. Does he really think the industries won't pass on the price rises to the rest of us ? He's not very smart

Coal, exported, how is the carbon tax from this get past on to Australian Households?

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:28pm:

Equitist wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:15pm:

You know what, folks!?

The more I think about the bizarre developments of the past coupla days, the more it seems that: -

The Lib caucus have voted for Abbott's delusional 'plan' - to vow to fight (and repeal) the Gillard Govt's Carbon Price/Tax policy - in order to allow him to seal his own fate...

Action Man Abbo has gone into manic overdrive on this issue - as soon as he got a stronger-than-ever whiff of internal opposition over the racist antics of Morrison and himself in the wake of the Xmas Is boat tragedy and funerals...

Not only has he presumed to think and speak on behalf of the revolting people but he has obviously stopped listening to moderate pollies and seasoned political advisors...

Given the folly of opposing the NBN, Flood Levy and Carbon price, they're wise to cast him adrift and give him more than enough carbon and optic fibres to finish himself off...

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:30pm:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:28pm:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/carbon-price-isnt-a-cure-all-greens-mp-adam-bandt/story-fn3dxity-1226013768611

GREENS MP Adam Bandt says the federal government is wrongly regarding a carbon tax as a cure-all for global warming.

Mr Bandt...said a carbon price alone would not be enough to address climate change, arguing there needed to be a greater focus on renewable energy.

"A carbon price is not going to be a cure-all, ....

"I am less sanguine about the market than the members of the government who seem to believe it will be a cure-all."

::)

Suck it up, Princess!

:-*

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by Soren on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 9:52pm

WHat, so it's not a new tax calculated to change the weather?

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by mavisdavis on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 8:36am

Equatist : "Suck it up, Princess!"

Not an overly useful reply.

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by Sprintcyclist on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 12:47pm

the cowardly craven anti-wacists will weep and pull the hair from their upper lips in mute protest at some of these comments !!!!!!!

Quote:

BERLIN: A simmering row over the integration of the 3 million Turks in Germany flared up after the Turkish Prime Minister told his compatriots that they should learn Turkish before German and resist assimilation. During a visit to Germany, Recep Tayyip Erdogan told 10,000 Turks of his ''growing unease'' about the way immigrants are treated in Germany.

''You must integrate, but I am against assimilation … no one may ignore the rights of minorities,'' he said. ''Our children must learn German but they must learn Turkish first.''

He qualified his remarks by saying that the children of Turkish migrants should study and get degrees in order to become valuable pillars of German society - doctors, professors and politicians.

But his comments provoked a blunt response from the leadership in Berlin, which has already, in effect, declared German multiculturalism dead.

The Foreign Minister, Guido Westerwelle, promptly hit back, saying: ''Children growing up in Germany must learn German first. The German language is the key to integration for those growing up in Germany.''The spat threatens to add to tensions in Germany's 40-year accommodation with its largest immigrant population. Last year the Chancellor, Angela Merkel, declared multiculturalism had failed, while a book by a leading opposition figure was critical of supposed Muslim reluctance to integrate.

Mr Erdogan's intervention was not just a reflection of Turkish unease at perceived increasing xenophobia in Europe, but also an attempt to drum up votes. There is a general election in Turkey in June and for the first time Turks abroad will be able to vote at Turkish consulates. Germany, with almost 2 million eligible voters, will be the fourth largest constituency, after Istanbul, Ankara and Izmir.

As part of his manifesto, Mr Erdogan is offering Turks abroad a new dual nationality identity card that would allow Turks with German passports more rights in Turkey. At present it is impossible to hold both German and Turkish passports, and Turks who opt for a German one often encounter problems if they return to Turkey.

On Saturday Mr Erdogan told Rheinische Post that forced integration requiring immigrants to suppress their culture and language violated international law.

Immigration hit the headlines last year after a bestselling book by the central banker Thilo Sarrazin argued that German culture was at risk from Muslims. Politicians initially condemned Mr Sarrazin's ideas, but many shifted rightwards in tone as polls showed he enjoyed widespread support.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/turkish-pm-stirs-german-tensions-20110301-1bd5a.html

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by Karnal on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 12:59pm

Turkey and Germany were allies in the Great War.

Bosom buddies, I'm told.

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by Soren on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 1:05pm

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 12:59pm:

Turkey and Germany were allies in the Great War.

Bosom buddies, I'm told.

Relevance?

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Mar 3^rd, 2011 at 2:37pm

Greens_lose wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 4:30pm:

It will be a cold day in hell before Australians allowed this pedophilia to occur in this country, under the guise of culture or multiculturalism.
Filthy animals.

Title: Re: Supporting multiculturalism -vrs- muslim culture
Post by Deathridesahorse on Mar 3^rd, 2011 at 3:00pm

Confident people aren't racist ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :-[ :-X ;)

Confident people aren't racist ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :-[ :-X ;)

Confident people aren't racist ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :-[ :-X ;)

Confident people aren't racist ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :-[ :-X ;)

:o :o :-? :-/ :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :-[ :-X :o