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Yes, I vowed no carbon tax - Julia Gillard PRIME Minister Julia Gillard has admitted she promised there would be no carbon tax during the election and said circumstances had changed. She qualified her comments made a week before the August 2010 poll, arguing her Government had wanted to legislate for an emissions trading scheme. "Yes, I did say that and circumstances have changed," Ms Gillard told Channel 9 today. http://www.news.com.au/national/yes-i-vowed-no-carbon-tax-julia-gillard/story-e6frfkvr-1226012683197

A big thank you to Prime Minister Gillard for continuing the fine tradition of politicians who can't deal with the truth.

I promise not to pee in the soup, unless circumstances change.

did she shed any croc tears when admitting ??

Sorry, didn't see the "PM Gillard" topic already opened for deliberations.

http://media.mytalk.com.au/2ue/audio/250211zeg.jpg

What a big yawn..can someone post a list of PM's and Premiers that havent lied at election time.
The good thing about this lie is it be the beginning of this country cutting back carbon emissions and hopefully take us off the top 10 list of the worlds worst polluters.
It may even be the beginning of saving human existence on this planet..but what the heck..dirt cheap electricity is much more important, bugga the grandkids  :P

Gillard did not lie, she said, and I quote..."There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

And given the Greens are leading the country by proxy, this means Gillard has told the truth.

adelcrow wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 3:50pm:

What a big yawn..can someone post a list of PM's and Premiers that havent lied at election time. The good thing about this lie is it be the beginning of this country cutting back carbon emissions and hopefully take us off the top 10 list of the worlds worst polluters. It may even be the beginning of saving human existence on this planet..but what the heck..dirt cheap electricity is much more important, bugga the grandkids  :P

well as you and your family dont live here for 6 months of the year why the hell wouldnt it be a big yawn to the likes of you.

maybe you should find another topic to wake you up.. something about aussie shops closing should do it..

as for this BIG LIE.. it was only 6 months ago... circumstances change within 6MONTHS..yes thats right we had a flood in QLD and now they have to pay for it because the incompetent QLD govt didnt insure anything...

the levy is still on hold thanks to Senator Xenophon another clever man he knows he has her where he wants her...backflip####backflip####backflip

the backflipping queen will now show us all her latest backflipping trick.

keep watching that back judas.

So Hard Righters are more offended at being lied to by Gillard, than being Lied to By Abbott.

Is this correct?

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......as for this BIG LIE.. it was only 6 months ago... circumstances change within 6MONTHS..

The more I read of ye, the more you convince me you are mellie.

The relevant circumstances changed overnight, so to speak, and if you want to be pedantic, for as long as it took to work out that neither the ALP or the LNP had won a majority so as to govern as they chose and on the policies they ran on, including in the case of the ALP, no carbon tax.

But, that was not to be.  Neither party had the numbers, and that was the fundamental change.

Stop ignoring that, wot?

how do you describe a liar ?? the more lies the more longer nose is .... those liars are normally a hopeless bunch just want to make quick bucks before vanishing ...

It's not technically a lie because she is not leading the labor party.

You need to learn the difference between a core promise and a non core promise.

It's ok to break non-core promises.

bridonta wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 4:16pm:

how do you describe a liar ?? the more lies the more longer nose is .... those liars are normally a hopeless bunch just want to make quick bucks before vanishing ...

Beautiful grammar,LOL. ;D

skippy. wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 4:25pm:

bridonta wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 4:16pm: how do you describe a liar ?? the more lies the more longer nose is .... those liars are normally a hopeless bunch just want to make quick bucks before vanishing ... Beautiful grammar,LOL. ;D

Isn't it great to have a new australian on board!!!! or at least one that does NOT speak english as a first language.!!!

pinochio .. ??

beware wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 4:27pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 4:25pm: bridonta wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 4:16pm: how do you describe a liar ?? the more lies the more longer nose is .... those liars are normally a hopeless bunch just want to make quick bucks before vanishing ... Beautiful grammar,LOL. ;D Isn't it great to have a new australian on board!!!! or at least one that does NOT speak english as a first language.!!!

That's how the green looks at people ..

adelcrow wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 3:50pm:

What a big yawn..can someone post a list of PM's and Premiers that havent lied at election time. The good thing about this lie is it be the beginning of this country cutting back carbon emissions and hopefully take us off the top 10 list of the worlds worst polluters. It may even be the beginning of saving human existence on this planet..but what the heck..dirt cheap electricity is much more important, bugga the grandkids  :P

But it will do nothing for emissions because Julia said that she would compensate anybody that was out of pocket.

So if Jules does not compensate you or your business than you will be GONE.......

I wonder how many truck drivers will be out of a job. How many farmers, how many manufactures, how many shop assistances???

People will not have money to spend other than on essentials because Julus wants it ALL because she has run out of money and cannot pay her bills!!

beware wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 4:27pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 4:25pm: bridonta wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 4:16pm: how do you describe a liar ?? the more lies the more longer nose is .... those liars are normally a hopeless bunch just want to make quick bucks before vanishing ... Beautiful grammar,LOL. ;D Isn't it great to have a new australian on board!!!! or at least one that does NOT speak english as a first language.!!!

No need to point out that English is not bridonta's first language, we can all see that by her writing.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stop-Gillards-Carbon-Tax/197122506973202

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=170684532978692&index=1

beware wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 4:39pm:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stop-Gillards-Carbon-Tax/197122506973202 http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=170684532978692&index=1

I can't wait to see the protesters marching in the streets, I hope the police use water cannons on them, the whole three of them. ::)

skippy. wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 4:38pm:

beware wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 4:27pm: skippy. wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 4:25pm: bridonta wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 4:16pm: how do you describe a liar ?? the more lies the more longer nose is .... those liars are normally a hopeless bunch just want to make quick bucks before vanishing ... Beautiful grammar,LOL. ;D Isn't it great to have a new australian on board!!!! or at least one that does NOT speak english as a first language.!!! No need to point out that English is not bridonta's first language, we can all see that by her writing.

typical hopeless bunch as expected .. now trying to shift topic into personal attack .. wonder why the puppet masters are going down in shame ..

bridonta wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 4:41pm:

skippy. wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 4:38pm: beware wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 4:27pm: skippy. wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 4:25pm: bridonta wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 4:16pm: how do you describe a liar ?? the more lies the more longer nose is .... those liars are normally a hopeless bunch just want to make quick bucks before vanishing ... Beautiful grammar,LOL. ;D Isn't it great to have a new australian on board!!!! or at least one that does NOT speak english as a first language.!!! No need to point out that English is not bridonta's first language, we can all see that by her writing. typical hopeless bunch as expected .. now trying to shift topic into personal attack .. wonder why the puppet masters are going down in shame ..

Pointing out your inadequate grammar is not personal attack, it is pointing out you rather inadequate grammar. ;D

so poor grammar is not a personal attack .. but still better than a liar and those supporting a liar ..

bridonta wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 4:48pm:

so poor grammar is not a personal attack .. but still better than a liar and those supporting a liar ..

Well its not my fault you have poor grammar. ::) ::) ::)

As for supporting liars, do you support Abbott? was he lying when he called for a carbon tax? or is he lying when he says he is against a carbon tax?

i'm here long enough .. and the others would know me don't have anythings to do with the lib or Abbot .. so you must be naive enough to be sucked in by all those liars ..

bridonta wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 4:58pm:

i'm here long enough .. and the others would know me don't have anythings to do with the lib or Abbot .. so you must be naive enough to be sucked in by all those liars ..

Well it seems you haven't been here long enough to know I do not support Labor or Liberal.
Nice to see you haven't worked on your grammar just to impress me though.LOL ;D ;D ;D I hope you don't speak like that in person. :o

Gillard did not lie about imposing a carbon tax, for she is not really leading the Australian government, so the deal is off.


Ok, it might look like a sneaky way of re-introducing Rudds ETS in a few years time, after the carbon tax destroys Australian industry, but ..looks can be deceiving.

Think of it as a compromise, we go broke so other corrupt nations can get wealthier.

Nations like China who would love nothing more than to see our industry giants crippled.

Given they are what holds up our nations economy afterall.

:)

skippy. wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 5:02pm:

bridonta wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 4:58pm: i'm here long enough .. and the others would know me don't have anythings to do with the lib or Abbot .. so you must be naive enough to be sucked in by all those liars .. Well it seems you haven't been here long enough to know I do not support Labor or Liberal. Nice to see you haven't worked on your grammar just to impress me though.LOL ;D ;D ;D I hope you don't speak like that in person. :o

The Fabians like Bob Brown, Adam Brandt, Juliar Gillard, Bill Shorten Penny Wong, Sarah Hanson-Young, Christine Milne Kevin Rudd, Greg Combet, Kristina Keneally, Anna Bligh & Nicola Roxon remind me of  Marlon Brando in Apocalypse Now  delusional renegades with a god/savior complex who are dead in the water and just waiting for Martin Sheen to put them out of their misery - pathetic. 8-)

http://www.amazing3rdplanet.com/img/posters-film-stars-A-K/ApocalypseNowHS.jpg 8-)

Save us - save us with a carbon tax lol... ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::)

The Horror....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k5bbBMO_5Y&feature=related ::)

The backbone of the Australian economy is our nations natural resource, export, and primary industries.

Without it, we will be finished, and this is far from progressive, rather is quite anti-progressive.

skippy. wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 5:02pm:

bridonta wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 4:58pm: i'm here long enough .. and the others would know me don't have anythings to do with the lib or Abbot .. so you must be naive enough to be sucked in by all those liars .. Well it seems you haven't been here long enough to know I do not support Labor or Liberal. Nice to see you haven't worked on your grammar just to impress me though.LOL ;D ;D ;D I hope you don't speak like that in person. :o

Perhaps i should went to Indian school when i was young to learn correcting my grammar .. but as i has pointed out .. a bad grammar still better than a liar or  those supporting liars ..

Had you gone to this school, you would understand Labors policies better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ0rsUofpQM&feature=player_embedded

Bottom line, democracy -vrs- plutocracy/communism?



This is in London (England) by the way!

See how multiculturalism has worked for them.

Great Britain is the homeland of my ancestors, I am livid with what the bloody aristocracy have done to our people there, in Ireland and here its genocide, and they have the cheek to exploit the suffering Irish they have forced to emigrate for cheep labour. >:( >:( >:( :'( :'( :'( >:( >:( >:(

Prevailing wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 5:44pm:

Great Britain is the homeland of my ancestors, I am livid with what the bloody aristocracy have done to our people there, in Ireland and here its genocide, and they have the cheek to exploit the suffering Irish they have forced to emigrate for cheep labour. >:( >:( >:( :'( :'( :'( >:( >:( >:(

Where are these birds?

Great Britain is the homeland of my ancestors, I am livid with what the bloody aristocracy have done to our people there, in Ireland and here its genocide, and they have the cheek to exploit the suffering Irish they have forced to emigrate for cheep labour. >:( >:( >:( :'( :'( :'( >:( >:( >:(

Please watch this and be very angry.

Irish Republic - Goodbye, My Ireland
http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2011/s3145891.htm

Prevailing wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 5:44pm:

Great Britain is the homeland of my ancestors, I am livid with what the bloody aristocracy have done to our people there, in Ireland and here its genocide, and they have the cheek to exploit the suffering Irish they have forced to emigrate for cheep labour. >:( >:( >:( :'( :'( :'( >:( >:( >:(

Yes, it's disturbing, this and is coming to an Australian city near you.

Now England have had a sudden change of heart and realise what they have done to their mother country.

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Yes, it's disturbing, this and is coming to an Australian city near you.

mellie, I thought you left what you regard as barren shores.

Did you say you never used socks?

;)

Great Britain is the homeland of my ancestors, I am livid with what the bloody aristocracy have done to our people there, in Ireland and here its genocide, and they have the cheek to exploit the suffering Irish they have forced to emigrate for cheep labour. >:( >:( >:( :'( :'( :'( >:( >:( >:(

Please watch this and be very angry.

Irish Republic - Goodbye, My Ireland http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2011/s3145891.htm

Greens_lose wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 5:30pm:

Had you gone to this school, you would understand Labors policies better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ0rsUofpQM&feature=player_embedded Bottom line, democracy -vrs- plutocracy/communism? This is in London (England) by the way! See how multiculturalism has worked for them.

to think that is my dear London it breaks my heart they were bombed to hell and back for this.I have a brother over there still and his family. they are fast becoming the minority by the sound of things.

Aussie wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 5:49pm:

Quote: Yes, it's disturbing, this and is coming to an Australian city near you. mellie, I thought you left what you regard as barren shores. Did you say you never used socks? ;)

*burp*


:D

Aussie wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 5:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 5:49pm: Quote: Yes, it's disturbing, this and is coming to an Australian city near you. mellie, I thought you left what you regard as barren shores. Did you say you never used socks? ;) *burp* :D

*double burp*

cods wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 5:54pm:

Greens_lose wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 5:30pm: Had you gone to this school, you would understand Labors policies better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ0rsUofpQM&feature=player_embedded Bottom line, democracy -vrs- plutocracy/communism? This is in London (England) by the way! See how multiculturalism has worked for them. to think that is my dear London it breaks my heart they were bombed to hell and back for this.I have a brother over there still and his family. they are fast becoming the minority by the sound of things.

Under what left-wing government did this occur in England?

The same far left-socialist reformist pro- immigration indiscriminate one world government we have infiltrating and dictating the terms of our politics here in Australia?

Why rule a nation, when you can join forces and rule the world?

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Yes, it's disturbing, this and is coming to an Australian city near you.

mellie, I thought you left what you regard as barren shores.

Did you say you never used socks?

Wink

The truth is, Australia with her self sufficiency and abundant resources scare the crapola out of even your more endowed world governments and superpowers, who know that should disaster strike (ELI) we more than any of the worlds robust growing economies are in a better position to fend off economic devastation, like the one the rest of the world endured recently, only on a much grander scale.

With the world tip-toeing on the verge of a nuclear powered future, Australia along with India are set to become the next superpower if it allowed itself to lead this opposed to follow and continue being exploited by others who lack the natural resources we take for granted.

See, we were never meant to become independent, were expected to forever be that little-battler resource reservoir sub-economy, being dictated to by the world superpowers.

Now with China and the US fighting for their place in the global economy, (China being world leaders in alternative fuel/green energy)...the EU and US are doing their darnedest to ensure we are nice and needy the way they need us to be.

China are desperately trying to appeal to a European market, though need Australia to serve as mediators, this is where Rudd c/o Rudd come in handy.

WTO, world trade authority dictates our global trade market, the UN dictates our immigration, were we getting too big for out boots?

Sometimes there isn't safety in numbers.

This is one example.

When world resources deplete, do we really want to be under the dictatorship of some other nations empire?

Be it global or otherwise?

Or is it better to maintain  self-sufficiency , independence, this and feather our own nest for a future  global catastrophe?

Basically, everyone wants to be our friend right now, and not because they like us.

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China are desperately trying to appeal to a European market, though need Australia to serve as mediators, this is where Rudd c/o Rudd come in handy. WTO, world trade authority dictates our global trade market, the UN dictates our immigration, were we getting too big for out boots? Sometimes there isn't safety in numbers.

Do you believe the Coalition will put a stop to this and reject the WTO and the IMF?


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When world resources deplete, do we really want to be under the dictatorship of some other nations empire? Be it global or otherwise? Or is it better to maintain  self-sufficiency , independence, this and feather our own nest

The Coalition embraced an FTA with China who are ravaging our resources.

You have a stupid nick like Greens_lose - yet you're actually spruiking the Greens' goals.


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Now with China and the US fighting for their place in the global economy, (China being world leaders in alternative fuel/green energy)...the EU and US are doing their darnedest to ensure we are nice and needy the way they need us to be.

Meanwhile China continues at breakneck speed to own as many of our minerals as they can get their hands on.

Your post makes no sense - you're advocating for a Green future, yet you're barracking for the Liberals who are blatantly rejecting a sustainable future with a gradual phasing out of coal mining.

http://www.thepunch.com.au/images/uploads/kudelkacarbontax.jpg



How many Julia r s are there ?

mantra wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 7:45pm:

Quote: China are desperately trying to appeal to a European market, though need Australia to serve as mediators, this is where Rudd c/o Rudd come in handy. WTO, world trade authority dictates our global trade market, the UN dictates our immigration, were we getting too big for out boots? Sometimes there isn't safety in numbers. Do you believe the Coalition will put a stop to this and reject the WTO and the IMF? [quote]When world resources deplete, do we really want to be under the dictatorship of some other nations empire? Be it global or otherwise? Or is it better to maintain  self-sufficiency , independence, this and feather our own nest

The Coalition embraced an FTA with China who are ravaging our resources.

You have a stupid nick like Greens_lose - yet you're actually spruiking the Greens' goals.


Quote:

Now with China and the US fighting for their place in the global economy, (China being world leaders in alternative fuel/green energy)...the EU and US are doing their darnedest to ensure we are nice and needy the way they need us to be.

Meanwhile China continues at breakneck speed to own as many of our minerals as they can get their hands on.

Your post makes no sense - you're advocating for a Green future, yet you're barracking for the Liberals who are blatantly rejecting a sustainable future with a gradual phasing out of coal mining. [/quote]

your post is a little silly since NEITHER party is talking about pahsing out coal mining!

Greens_lose wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 7:22pm:

The truth is, Australia with her self sufficiency and abundant resources scare the crapola out of even your more endowed world governments and superpowers, who know that should disaster strike (ELI) we more than any of the worlds robust growing economies are in a better position to fend off economic devastation, like the one the rest of the world endured recently, only on a much grander scale. With the world tip-toeing on the verge of a nuclear powered future, Australia along with India are set to become the next superpower if it allowed itself to lead this opposed to follow and continue being exploited by others who lack the natural resources we take for granted. See, we were never meant to become independent, were expected to forever be that little-battler resource reservoir sub-economy, being dictated to by the world superpowers. Now with China and the US fighting for their place in the global economy, (China being world leaders in alternative fuel/green energy)...the EU and US are doing their darnedest to ensure we are nice and needy the way they need us to be. China are desperately trying to appeal to a European market, though need Australia to serve as mediators, this is where Rudd c/o Rudd come in handy. WTO, world trade authority dictates our global trade market, the UN dictates our immigration, were we getting too big for out boots? Sometimes there isn't safety in numbers. This is one example. When world resources deplete, do we really want to be under the dictatorship of some other nations empire? Be it global or otherwise? Or is it better to maintain  self-sufficiency , independence, this and feather our own nest for a future  global catastrophe?

Hi, mellie.

How  many socks now?

;)

Aussie wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 5:49pm:

Quote: Yes, it's disturbing, this and is coming to an Australian city near you. mellie, I thought you left what you regard as barren shores. Did you say you never used socks? ;)

:D

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 8:43pm:

your post is a little silly since NEITHER party is talking about pahsing out coal mining!

You missed the point and Greens_L is the one not making any sense.

She ::) is advocating a Green future while using a disparaging nick. She's a hypocrite and doesn't have a clue what she's barracking for - which I've found is typical of many Liberal voters.

Obviously neither major party is talking about phasing out coal mining - but Bob Brown is, and has always strived towards reducing coal mining in this country. Greens_lose is actually a Greenie, but keeps pushing the Lib party line that Abbott will be the next saviour of the world.

Greens_Lose is politically ignorant.

is anyone worried that Labor are looking to nuclear power???..

well we know that the lying gillard isnt nor her commander in chief.. but she wont last and the rest of the party is turning even the dyed in the wool hardlefties are mellowing...shock horror.

all you anti nukers are going to have to change your tune..lol.

wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 6:03pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 5:49pm: Quote: Yes, it's disturbing, this and is coming to an Australian city near you. mellie, I thought you left what you regard as barren shores. Did you say you never used socks? ;) What are socks?

Like YOU.

Aussie wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 8:49pm:

Greens_lose wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 7:22pm: The truth is, Australia with her self sufficiency and abundant resources scare the crapola out of even your more endowed world governments and superpowers, who know that should disaster strike (ELI) we more than any of the worlds robust growing economies are in a better position to fend off economic devastation, like the one the rest of the world endured recently, only on a much grander scale. With the world tip-toeing on the verge of a nuclear powered future, Australia along with India are set to become the next superpower if it allowed itself to lead this opposed to follow and continue being exploited by others who lack the natural resources we take for granted. See, we were never meant to become independent, were expected to forever be that little-battler resource reservoir sub-economy, being dictated to by the world superpowers. Now with China and the US fighting for their place in the global economy, (China being world leaders in alternative fuel/green energy)...the EU and US are doing their darnedest to ensure we are nice and needy the way they need us to be. China are desperately trying to appeal to a European market, though need Australia to serve as mediators, this is where Rudd c/o Rudd come in handy. WTO, world trade authority dictates our global trade market, the UN dictates our immigration, were we getting too big for out boots? Sometimes there isn't safety in numbers. This is one example. When world resources deplete, do we really want to be under the dictatorship of some other nations empire? Be it global or otherwise? Or is it better to maintain  self-sufficiency , independence, this and feather our own nest for a future  global catastrophe? Hi, mellie. How  many socks now? ;)

At least three in this thread. ;D ;D ;D

cods wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 9:16pm:

is anyone worried that Labor are looking to nuclear power???.. well we know that the lying gillard isnt nor her commander in chief.. but she wont last and the rest of the party is turning even the dyed in the wool hardlefties are mellowing...shock horror. all you anti nukers are going to have to change your tune..lol.

There is only one party you can trust to oppose the issue of nuclear power. It wouldn't surprise me if Labor eventually agreed to the 25 nuclear power stations Howard advocated - but the legislation will still have to get through the Senate and that won't be possible for at least 3 years.

A lot can happen in that time.

mantra wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 7:35am:

cods wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 9:16pm: is anyone worried that Labor are looking to nuclear power???.. well we know that the lying gillard isnt nor her commander in chief.. but she wont last and the rest of the party is turning even the dyed in the wool hardlefties are mellowing...shock horror. all you anti nukers are going to have to change your tune..lol. There is only one party you can trust to oppose the issue of nuclear power. It wouldn't surprise me if Labor eventually agreed to the 25 nuclear power stations Howard advocated - but the legislation will still have to get through the Senate and that won't be possible for at least 3 years. A lot can happen in that time.

you seem to forget the political realities - like Greenies often do - that if libs and labor combine, the green senate vote is irrelevant. if both parties support nuclear power then it will happen regardless of that old fart bob brown's luddite opinions.

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:10am:

you seem to forget the political realities - like Greenies often do - that if libs and labor combine, the green senate vote is irrelevant. if both parties support nuclear power then it will happen regardless of that old fart bob brown's luddite opinions.

At present the political realities are that we can't justify nuclear here, but the Coalition signed us up to the GNEP - Global Nuclear Energy Partnership during the APEC meeting in 2007.

Who knows what the ramifications of that will be.

I'd like to see a consensus on how may Australians want NP stations here and with the possibility of 25 on the horizon - we'll have them next door to us.

Obviously Bob Brown won't be able to stop NP if the major parties have already committed us, but I'd like to see them justify the cost and the need when they try to sell it.

I always enjoy the righties on here that cry for a debate, but refuse to even try to answer simple questions by way of engaging in discussion.

Please delete wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:37am:

I always enjoy the righties on here that cry for a debate, but refuse to even try to answer simple questions by way of engaging in discussion.

Ah Ernie - the epitome of reason and objectiveness eh?

You do realize that probably about 99% of your posts take the same position as the Australian Labor Party don't you?

Care to tell us why also you often criticise the Liberals as well?

Just out of interest.....

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 9:01am:

Please delete wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 8:37am: I always enjoy the righties on here that cry for a debate, but refuse to even try to answer simple questions by way of engaging in discussion. Ah Ernie - the epitome of reason and objectiveness eh? You do realize that probably about 99% of your posts take the same position as the Australian Labor Party don't you? Care to tell us why also you often criticise the Liberals as well? Just out of interest.....

Like you, hicks, I have demonstrated my "impartiality" by voting for various parties in my lifetime. Mine is a voice of reason, most often questioning the more bizarre and unsupportable claims by other posters.

Unlike you, I am highly critical of my own "party of choice" (ALP) in my own state. And have been for about 6 years (long before it became apparent they were doomed), demonstrated on these political boards (yahoo before this).

Whereas you couldn't see fault in any conservative party or personality if a house fell on you - viz your adulation of Bush and Reagan.

Is Julia Gillard a liar?

Poll is now open.

mantra wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:32am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 8:10am: you seem to forget the political realities - like Greenies often do - that if libs and labor combine, the green senate vote is irrelevant. if both parties support nuclear power then it will happen regardless of that old fart bob brown's luddite opinions. At present the political realities are that we can't justify nuclear here, but the Coalition signed us up to the GNEP - Global Nuclear Energy Partnership during the APEC meeting in 2007. Who knows what the ramifications of that will be. I'd like to see a consensus on how may Australians want NP stations here and with the possibility of 25 on the horizon - we'll have them next door to us. Obviously Bob Brown won't be able to stop NP if the major parties have already committed us, but I'd like to see them justify the cost and the need when they try to sell it.

this 'next door' nonsense is just that - nonsense. where do u think power stations are now? not out in the outback.

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 9:34am:

mantra wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 8:32am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 8:10am: you seem to forget the political realities - like Greenies often do - that if libs and labor combine, the green senate vote is irrelevant. if both parties support nuclear power then it will happen regardless of that old fart bob brown's luddite opinions. At present the political realities are that we can't justify nuclear here, but the Coalition signed us up to the GNEP - Global Nuclear Energy Partnership during the APEC meeting in 2007. Who knows what the ramifications of that will be. I'd like to see a consensus on how may Australians want NP stations here and with the possibility of 25 on the horizon - we'll have them next door to us. Obviously Bob Brown won't be able to stop NP if the major parties have already committed us, but I'd like to see them justify the cost and the need when they try to sell it. this 'next door' nonsense is just that - nonsense. where do u think power stations are now? not out in the outback.

Generally speaking, they're on the coalfields. Is that where NPP's will be located?

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this 'next door' nonsense is just that - nonsense. where do u think power stations are now? not out in the outback.

Your statement makes no sense. NP stations are mostly built on the coast. Do you think they're built hundreds of kms away from civilisation?

mantra wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 10:15am:

Quote: this 'next door' nonsense is just that - nonsense. where do u think power stations are now? not out in the outback. Your statement makes no sense. NP stations are mostly built on the coast. Do you think they're built hundreds of kms away from civilisation?

Ooooooooooh thats a racist statement! Are you saying our aboriginal friends are not civilised?

You're getting mixed up with the Nuclear Waste tip Andrei.

It's hardly like NP stations are going to be built in aboriginal settlements - unless the Coalition is returned to government. They will be built in our major cities and towns on the east coast - near the water which the plants need for cooling.  

Please delete wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 9:43am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 9:34am: mantra wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 8:32am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 8:10am: you seem to forget the political realities - like Greenies often do - that if libs and labor combine, the green senate vote is irrelevant. if both parties support nuclear power then it will happen regardless of that old fart bob brown's luddite opinions. At present the political realities are that we can't justify nuclear here, but the Coalition signed us up to the GNEP - Global Nuclear Energy Partnership during the APEC meeting in 2007. Who knows what the ramifications of that will be. I'd like to see a consensus on how may Australians want NP stations here and with the possibility of 25 on the horizon - we'll have them next door to us. Obviously Bob Brown won't be able to stop NP if the major parties have already committed us, but I'd like to see them justify the cost and the need when they try to sell it. this 'next door' nonsense is just that - nonsense. where do u think power stations are now? not out in the outback. Generally speaking, they're on the coalfields. Is that where NPP's will be located?

actually they arent - unless that happens to be convenient. most coal power plants have coal shipped by rail to them oftne from great distances.

mantra wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 10:15am:

Quote: this 'next door' nonsense is just that - nonsense. where do u think power stations are now? not out in the outback. Your statement makes no sense. NP stations are mostly built on the coast. Do you think they're built hundreds of kms away from civilisation?

The point is that you make this same rather lame 'next door' argument while many current power stations are actually IN cities and a lot are pretty close. Nukes will be near cities for reasons that i hope dont need explanation - just like all other power plants.

mantra wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 10:23am:

You're getting mixed up with the Nuclear Waste tip Andrei. It's hardly like NP stations are going to be built in aboriginal settlements - unless the Coalition is returned to government. They will be built in our major cities and towns on the east coast - near the water which the plants need for cooling.

ever heard of rivers and lakes? ever heard of the many nuclear reactors located in central USA and europe?

"actually they arent - unless that happens to be convenient. most coal power plants have coal shipped by rail to them oftne from great distances. "

I'm surprised.

All of the power station in NSW Victoria and QLD are located in close proximity to the mines - wouldn't that be the majority of power station in Australia?

Or are you including hydro and other smaller facilities?

adelcrow wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 3:50pm:

What a big yawn..can someone post a list of PM's and Premiers that havent lied at election time. The good thing about this lie is it be the beginning of this country cutting back carbon emissions and hopefully take us off the top 10 list of the worlds worst polluters. It may even be the beginning of saving human existence on this planet..but what the heck..dirt cheap electricity is much more important, bugga the grandkids  :P

YEH, IT WILL GET QUITE A GOING OVER IN THE HISTORY BOOKS: AND WHO'S DECISION MAKING PROCESS WILL IT BE COMPARED TO i WONDER????????????  8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) :D ;D

____ wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 4:06pm:

So Hard Righters are more offended at being lied to by Gillard, than being Lied to By Abbott. Is this correct?

Whatever happened to give you the impression that we want to read your lies 24/7 ?

"Nobody in NSW politics, on either side, can figure out why Gillard chose the dying weeks of the state Labor government to announce a great big new tax designed to change the weather."

That's it - the Green/Labor view of the world summed up perfectly: a new tax to change the weather.

adelcrow wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 3:50pm:

What a big yawn..can someone post a list of PM's and Premiers that havent lied at election time. The good thing about this lie is it be the beginning of this country cutting back carbon emissions and hopefully take us off the top 10 list of the worlds worst polluters. It may even be the beginning of saving human existence on this planet..but what the heck..dirt cheap electricity is much more important, bugga the grandkids  :P

This will go down in the history books as GUTS GUTS GUTS!

Tony Abbott has no balls!

The Howard era will be compared directly with Rudd and Gillard and this is why the nobbers hate the NBN and carbon pricing so much!