http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/8914257/yes-i-vowed-no-carbon-tax-gillard/

Prime Minister Julia Gillard has admitted she promised there would be no carbon tax during the election and said circumstances had changed.

She qualified her comments made a week before the August 2010 poll, arguing her government had wanted to legislate for an emissions trading scheme.

"Yes, I did say that and circumstances have changed," Ms Gillard told the Nine Network on Sunday.

"What my vision was was to be elected as prime minister and to introduce an emissions trading scheme, which is not a carbon tax."

With the electorate returning a hung parliament, Ms Gillard was forced to deal with the Greens to form a minority government.

The pact led to the establishment of a multi-party climate change committee, which included Greens members.

Last week, Ms Gillard announced a carbon tax would begin in July 2012.

The prime minister explained that a fixed-price period, for an interim three to five years, would effectively operate as a carbon tax.

"A carbon tax is where you fix price," Ms Gillard said.

"An emissions trading scheme is where you fix quantity and allow the market to sort out price ... that's what I wanted to do."

Ms Gillard downplayed suggestions the Greens are running the government, comparing herself to her predecessor John Howard, who negotiated with then Australian Democrats leader Meg Lees in 1999 to legislate a GST.

So she goes the whole week saying she didn't lie

Now she confessed that she lied?

Which Ju-LIAR is speaking now?

JuLIAR GilLIAR.

:) Boy, I LIKE IT, very much, very fitting for that red head lying pig,

Is Julia Gillard a liar?

She is like a cheating whore who is trying to justify cheating on her husband by blaming everyone and everything except herself.

I find it unbelievable that anyone who supported the Howard government would have the hyde to be hypocritical enough to be critical of anyone's honesty.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 10:31am:

I find it unbelievable that anyone who supported the Howard government would have the hyde to be hypocritical enough to be critical of anyone's honesty.

But you guys voted him out for lying

So stop being hypocritical and vote Gillard out for lying

I noted 1 person voted "NO" on the poll bobby put up

You must be kidding me right?!!  :D :D :D

Gillard ADMITTED to lying and you still think she didn't lie????!!  :D :D :D

Quote:

I find it unbelievable that anyone who supported the Howard government would have the hyde to be hypocritical enough to be critical of anyone's honesty

And it would be unbelievable if NOBODY questioned the serial dishonesty of Julia Gilliard, what you think we should SHUT UP, because members of the liberals do lie as well ??

Get real DNA.

Realising her own and Kevin Rudd's previous position was wrong and the Greens policy was better show a person who has put Australia's best intention before her own ego.

Well Done Gillard.

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 10:35am:

I noted 1 person voted "NO" on the poll bobby put up You must be kidding me right?!!  :D :D :D Gillard ADMITTED to lying and you still think she didn't lie????!!  :D :D :D

Where did she "admit" she lied?

I wonder who voted no?

Please reveal yourself.

Julia Gillard has done a back flip with a triple pike!!!

I give her 10 out of 10.....The Gillard Government will take the hit early on in there term to lessen the opposition attacks come election time.....This gives the Green Coalition time to release its policy and defuse the scare campaign of Abbott and Co.....It also allows Abbott and the Coalition time to formulate there own climate policy and offer the Australian public an alternative......Lets see who has the best policy and not who has the loudest sound bite!!!

;)

Fear is the tax that conscience pays to guilt.
George Sewell

Should we fear the tax or the consequences of doing nothing......There needs to be a discussion on what is the best way to combat climate change.....We all know there needs to be some kind of tax to pay for it.....Tony Abbott and the Coalition must also introduce a tax to pay for there climate change policy......We need to decide which policy will work and then decide how to pay for it.....At present we are putting the cart before the horse!!!

:)

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 10:33am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 10:31am: I find it unbelievable that anyone who supported the Howard government would have the hyde to be hypocritical enough to be critical of anyone's honesty. But you guys voted him out for lying So stop being hypocritical and vote Gillard out for lying

Sorry SLR but after the way you supported the Howard government you have no credability on the topic of honesty.

This is no worse then the Never ever GST lie from Mr Howard or the children were thrown overboard fib or we know for a fact that Saddam Hussein has WMD's or we have no plans for changes to IR in 2004 then we got workchoices and interest rates will always be lower under a coalition government. etc.

With Gillard we always knew there would be a cost on carbon, while she said the wrong thing it is also true that the circumstances changed dramatically.

The amazing thing is not the honesty but the manner in which the Liberals who were clearly much less honest in government have been able to gather such momentum in critisism of actions which are mild by their own standard.

.

JuLIAR Gilliard will never fully explain why she lied ?

But WE ALL KNOW WHY

She HAD TO break that promise

SHE HAD TO SAVE THE LABOUR PARTY FROM EMBARRASSMENT OF AN ELECTION DEFEAT AFTER THERE FIRST TERM by forming government with the Greens and the NSW independents.

And part of the deal with the GREENS was the carbon tax.


Now shes paying a high price.

what does she expect .. a leader lying and expecting people to believe entire of her cabinet telling the truth .. a bad role model for our children .. and the whole Australia

Dnarever wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 11:03am:

[quote author=Maqqa link=1298763852/0#6 date=1298766825][quote author=Jim_Puddle-Duck link=1298763852/0#5 date=1298766711] Sorry SLR but after the way you supported the Howard government you have no credability on the topic of honesty. This is no worse then the Never ever GST lie from Mr Howard or the children were thrown overboard fib or we know for a fact that Saddam Hussein has WMD's or we have no plans for changes to IR in 2004 then we got workchoices and interest rates will always be lower under a coalition government. etc. With Gillard we always knew there would be a cost on carbon, while she said the wrong thing it is also true that the circumstances changed dramatically. The amazing thing is not the honesty but the manner in which the Liberals who were clearly much less honest in government have been able to gather such momentum in critisism of actions which are mild by their own standard.

Now now that you are supporting Giullard for her blatant lies then you have even less credibility because you should know better

Leftards will say "Howard lied" as a justification for Gillard

NOW WHAT?

Does that then make Gillard's lies any more "right"??!!

If you gorillas are going to thump your chest accusing and condemning others of misdemeanors and should be voted out

Then you should apply the same accusations and condemnations against Gillard when she does it!

Which leftards have done this?

NO ONE!!

I wonder if Kevin Rudd would have done better in the election, although it shames me to admit that a lot of women voted for Judas, based on her sex alone.
CRINGE!

Well being female myself and having had many a female boss there is NO way that a female would vote for a female solely for that reason unless they were dumb. ..... surely you all know that women are backstabbers and bitches. It is just a matter of time or circumstance before those traits come out!

stryder wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 10:38am:

Quote: I find it unbelievable that anyone who supported the Howard government would have the hyde to be hypocritical enough to be critical of anyone's honesty And it would be unbelievable if NOBODY questioned the serial dishonesty of Julia Gilliard, what you think we should SHUT UP, because members of the liberals do lie as well ?? Get real DNA.

yes but it was just a non core promise so stop your complaining !!

beware wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 2:53pm:

Well being female myself and having had many a female boss there is NO way that a female would vote for a female solely for that reason unless they were dumb. ..... surely you all know that women are backstabbers and bitches. It is just a matter of time or circumstance before those traits come out!

Er HUM!  The boys aren`t too slouchy in the bitchy, backstabbing stakes either.

mavisdavis wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 3:05pm:

beware wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 2:53pm: Well being female myself and having had many a female boss there is NO way that a female would vote for a female solely for that reason unless they were dumb. ..... surely you all know that women are backstabbers and bitches. It is just a matter of time or circumstance before those traits come out! Er HUM!  The boys aren`t too slouchy in the bitchy, backstabbing stakes either.

Definitely and often worse!

Where did Gillard "admit" she lied?

wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 5:07pm:

Please delete wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 5:05pm: Where did Gillard "admit" she lied? She opened her mouth.

Is that what passes for informed commentary?

wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 5:18pm:

Please delete wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 5:09pm: wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 5:07pm: Please delete wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 5:05pm: Where did Gillard "admit" she lied? She opened her mouth. Is that what passes for informed commentary? Yes actually. I don't want to overload your brain.

So perhaps you could answer my question without the childish shenanigans

Please delete wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 5:05pm:

Where did Gillard "admit" she lied?

ha.ha. ernie as we can see she doesnt own up to anything

Labor Party leader Gillard dismissed claims that she misled voters during the 2010 election, during which she said that: "There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead."

"We went to the last election saying to the Australian people that climate change was real, that it was caused by human activity, that we needed to cut carbon pollution," she told reporters on Friday.

"To do that efficiently we needed to price carbon and we needed to do it through a market based mechanism and that was what was announced yesterday."

xxx


wish I could remember when she said we need to cut carbon pollution and thats what we will do if elected

you know we really do need to nail these people down to meaning what they say and not twisting it to mean what they mislead everyone to believe...

if that makes sense..

now I dont care if its the fleas on the dog that is running for govt..

we cant put up with this kind of fraud.. because thats what it is..

as for expecting the judas to own up to anything shifty forget it ernie.. it wont happen

didnt she refuse to talk about knifing ruddy in the back even though she was holding the knife?...mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm its secret she claimed...lol..

So where did she "admit" she lied?

Since we're not allowed to mention John Howard, it's a boring discussion, but where is the lie?

At least with the Liberals, what you see is what you get, warts and all.

Far better the devil you know than the Gillard she-devil we never will.

And I'm sure Kevin Rudd himself would agree.

He thought he knew his deputy too.

Greens_lose wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 6:43pm:

At least with the Liberals, what you see is what you get, warts and all. Far better the devil you know than the Gillard she-devil we never will. And I'm sure Kevin Rudd himself would agree. He thought he knew his deputy too.

We dont even KNOW what the Liberals stand for- let alone Abbott.
The master of back flips, lying  and lack of trust & creditials. And that is even Before he becomes PM. Imagine how bad he would be id he did. Actually I dont want to imagine!

And the coalition supporters would accept every backflip without comment.

Maybe Gillard thought the coalition would accept her backflip with the same equanimity as they do when their own leaders "lie".

Please delete wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 7:32pm:

And the coalition supporters would accept every backflip without comment. Maybe Gillard thought the coalition would accept her backflip with the same equanimity as they do when their own leaders "lie".

If it`s too painfull to think about, you can always deflect, and hide your head in the mud.

Please delete wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 10:52am:

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 10:35am: I noted 1 person voted "NO" on the poll bobby put up You must be kidding me right?!!  :D :D :D Gillard ADMITTED to lying and you still think she didn't lie????!!  :D :D :D Where did she "admit" she lied?

only you could ask such a stupid question.  we could say 1+1=2 and you would ask for proof.

Quote:

only you could ask such a stupid question.

That being the case, you will be able to link us to an abundance of sources, wot?

Aussie wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 9:20pm:

Quote: only you could ask such a stupid question. That being the case, you will be able to link us to an abundance of sources, wot?

She said so herself, you dimwit.

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 9:24pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 9:20pm: Quote: only you could ask such a stupid question. That being the case, you will be able to link us to an abundance of sources, wot? She said so herself, you dimwit.

I did not hear her say, "I lied."  Did you?

Greens_lose wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 9:35pm:

No, you are absolutely correct, she did not lie when she said there wouldn't be a carbon tax under a government she lead, and being the honest woman some believe her to be, this can only mean one thing. Julia Gillard is not really Australia's PM, this or leader of the ALP. So, who is?

Don't be cute.

...and you are mellie.

:D

Aussie wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 9:46pm:

Greens_lose wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 9:35pm: No, you are absolutely correct, she did not lie when she said there wouldn't be a carbon tax under a government she lead, and being the honest woman some believe her to be, this can only mean one thing. Julia Gillard is not really Australia's PM, this or leader of the ALP. So, who is? Don't be cute. ...and you are mellie. :D

Who me?

Mellie?

Never!

What, do they take DNA samples at the door here now?

Furthermore, how is it that I can be mellie, if I am greens_lose?

8-)

Nah, you can't be mellie.  She has made many posts declaring that she never uses socks/puppets.

:D

Pssst.....did you tell the Mods this time like you reckoned you did last time?

The Facebook Revolution against JuLIARS Carbon Tax is very fluid right now rapidly morphing into a movement, here's a link I want to share I found - Victory! :)

REVOLT AGAINST THE CARBON TAX AUSTRALIA
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_113660108709587&notif_t=group_activity

http://greencelebrity.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/V-for-Victory-campaign-Occupation-of-America-Inforwars-website-photo_credit-prisonplanet-website-240x300.jpg 8-)

So far 15 votes to one that Julia is a liar.  ;D

Bobby. wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 10:06pm:

So far 15 votes to one that Julia is a liar.  ;D

17......idiots.

A simple explanation.....  faulty microphone?

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8864/3j3lue1298812150.jpg

...perhaps?

.......Perhaps it was a simple slip of the tongue, ie, what Gillard meant to say was ...


“There will be no government leadership under a Greens carbon tax."

or...

“There will be no government under the carbon tax I lead."

alternatively...

“There would have been no carbon tax under the government voters thought I could lead."

Juliar Gillard has once again lied to the Australian public. Surely, now, even the staunchest Labor supporter can see the habitual lying, incompetence and total disregard for Australia and it's people this Labor government displays.

Next election let's give Juliar ( if the clown lasts that long ) and treasurer Lame Duck a swift kick up the backside and get on with repairing the woeful and historic damage they have caused.

I want to know who the "1" is who voted that Juliar didn't lie!!
Must be Juliar herself!!  ;D

Cmon Aussie wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 10:43pm:

Juliar Gillard has once again lied to the Australian public. Surely, now, even the staunchest Labor supporter can see the habitual lying, incompetence and total disregard for Australia and it's people this Labor government displays. Next election let's give Juliar ( if the clown lasts that long ) and treasurer Lame Duck a swift kick up the backside and get on with repairing the woeful and historic damage they have caused.

Juliar and Bob Brown have the end goal of the socialist New World Order HG Wells and many others wrote about and they dont care how many have to suffer and die, how many lies they have to tell and how many cultures they destroy to get there.  That is the reality of the people we face - fight or die. :)

The simple fact of the matter is, when she negotiated with the independents, this and bartered with them to make her "Queen", she would have known at this point that in the event of a minority government her pre-election campaign promises might not come to fruition, though did she make a point of telling them this when sealing the deal before they decided to back her and not Tony Abbott?

Had she said..."Ok guys, the pre-election deals are off the table if you back me now and allow me to form a minority Greens-Labor government."....

Would they have backed her or Tony Abbott?

And had she said to Australia...

"Ok, I promised no carbon tax under a government I lead but if we end up with a rainbow minority government c/o Greens, this could change."

Would the public have voted for her?

And do the Greens hold the balance of power in the senate, and to such an extent whereby if Labor, the Independents, Liberal and others in the senate voted against the carbon tax, would it still go through?

Based on principle alone, Labor have no business advocating, supporting, much less voting for a carbon tax under a government, minority or otherwise they in fact lead, so could this be Gillard passing the carbon-buck?

When all else fails.....

~Blame it on the Greens~



If she was opposed to it pre-election, then she will be opposed to it post-election, this and will vote against it in the senate herself, yes?


Well, apparently not!

8-)

I mean seriously, could anyone trust that!!

Did Gillard lie?

No, because woman never lie~

OMG! there's 2 votes that Juliar didn't lie. Did anyone know Lame Duck Swan is a member here? :o

Greens_lose wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 11:17pm:

Did Gillard lie? No, because woman never lie~

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 9:44am:

So she goes the whole week saying she didn't lie Now she confessed that she lied? Which Ju-LIAR is speaking now?

LOOK WHO'S PUSHING poo UPHILL!

GUESS WHOS MAN IS GOING DOWN IN THE HISTORY BOOKS NEXT TO JULIA AND KEVINS.....  :D :D :D :-? :-? 8-) ???!  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :-[ :-X

stryder wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 10:03am:

JuLIAR GilLIAR. :) Boy, I LIKE IT, very much, very fitting for that red head lying pig,

OH, SOMEONE ELSE IS HELPING MR SCARY! LOL

WHO ELSE IS WORRIED ABOUT THE OLD MANS REPUTATION I WONDER????


 :D :D :D ;D

THE HOWARD LOVERS MUST HATE ME!   :-[ :-[ :'(  :D :D ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-? 8-)

Verge wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 10:24am:

She is like a cheating whore who is trying to justify cheating on her husband by blaming everyone and everything except herself.

NOW NOW SURELY JOHHNYS REPUTATION CAN TAKE THE HEAT ALL BY ITSELF!

NOW NOW SURELY JOHHNYS REPUTATION CAN TAKE THE HEAT ALL BY ITSELF!

NOW NOW SURELY JOHHNYS REPUTATION CAN TAKE THE HEAT ALL BY ITSELF!

NOW NOW SURELY JOHHNYS REPUTATION CAN TAKE THE HEAT ALL BY ITSELF!

THERE'S SOME VERY WORRIED OLD MAN LOVERS AROUND ....  :-[ :-[ :-[ , YUCK!  ;D

Maqqa wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 10:35am:

I noted 1 person voted "NO" on the poll bobby put up You must be kidding me right?!!  :D :D :D Gillard ADMITTED to lying and you still think she didn't lie????!!  :D :D :D

MR SCARY IS A HEADCASE, LOL  ;D ;D :-[

MR SCARY IS A HEADCASE, LOL  ;D ;D :-[

MR SCARY IS A HEADCASE, LOL  ;D ;D :-[

MR SCARY IS A HEADCASE, LOL  ;D ;D :-[

;) :o :o

stryder wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 10:38am:

Quote: I find it unbelievable that anyone who supported the Howard government would have the hyde to be hypocritical enough to be critical of anyone's honesty And it would be unbelievable if NOBODY questioned the serial dishonesty of Julia Gilliard, what you think we should SHUT UP, because members of the liberals do lie as well ?? Get real DNA.

OH, MAN.

THIS THREAD IS LIKE SO LOL!  :o :o :-[

____ wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 10:44am:

Realising her own and Kevin Rudd's previous position was wrong and the Greens policy was better show a person who has put Australia's best intention before her own ego. Well Done Gillard.

GREENS SHOULD DO WELL OUT OF ALL THIS BECAUSE I THINK THE PEOPLE ARE REALLY TAKING NOTICE OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND STARTING TO PANICK !!!

TONY MUST BE CAREFUL, SO THIS WILL BE MOST INTERESTING AS JULIA IS A GUN!!!

Labor have committed political suicide with the proposed introduction of a carbon-tax, (similar to Rudd and his ETS) this and the Greens wont be celebrated as that "little envro party keeping the leading two honest" in future, now they have regressed to the same corporate greed and grubbery as our leading party's.

Greens are merely a silent ALP facilitator/faction...a silent ALP coalition in the eyes of voters it seems, and devoted Labor voters blame the Greens for labor having lost it's way.....and devoted Greens blame Labor for having corrupted their once puritan little enviro party being lead by a nit-wit who will retire before next election anyway, if he's not assassinated or ousted before then.

Bob Brown knows in exchange for a carbon-price comes BHP being granted (bribed) with permission to expand their uranium mining operation's down at Olympic dam.  So, .... why has he allowed this to slip under the environmental radar?

Could it be they donated generously to Greens record high party donations last year, Bob doesn't feel at liberty of discussing, despite once claiming he was against corporate political donations back when he claimed to have genuine regard for the environment?

Pity, because I think both Labor and the Greens lost their way about 10 years before this even, well before the 2010 election.

They knew they had to join forces to overcome the Lib coalition, so both broke quite a few of their own party's core-promises and traditional values in order to win seats in the senate and gain an illegitimate minority government at all cost.

Greens aren't what they used to be and neither are Labor.

This is the resounding message I'm getting from the public, even when canvassing formerly safe-labor electorates such as the Blue Mountains.

Their key-supporters are quite disillusioned with both partys at present.

So, best brace yourself for the inevitable.

See...Labor were stuck between a rock and a hard-place...  without the greens they are nothing, and to keep them, they had to cave into a carbon-tax to keep them on-side, even if this means going against their own partys traditional core values....re- taking care of the working class which they have discarded.

Gillards confected Australian strine drawl wont appeal to the lay working-class  next time round.

They have woken up.

Sorry.


::)

Greens_lose wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 1:32am:

Labor have committed political suicide with the proposed introduction of a carbon-tax, (similar to Rudd and his ETS) this and the Greens wont be celebrated as that "little envro party keeping the leading two honest" in future, now they have regressed to the same corporate greed and grubbery as our leading party's. Greens are merely a silent ALP facilitator/faction...a silent ALP coalition in the eyes of voters it seems, and devoted Labor voters blame the Greens for labor having lost it's way.....and devoted Greens blame Labor for having corrupted their once puritan little enviro party being lead by a nit-wit who will retire before next election anyway, if he's not assassinated or ousted before then. Bob Brown knows in exchange for a carbon-price comes BHP being granted (bribed) with permission to expand their uranium mining operation's down at Olympic dam.  So, .... why has he allowed this to slip under the environmental radar? Could it be they donated generously to Greens record high party donations last year, Bob doesn't feel at liberty of discussing, despite once claiming he was against corporate political donations back when he claimed to have genuine regard for the environment? Pity, because I think both Labor and the Greens lost their way about 10 years before this even, well before the 2010 election. They knew they had to join forces to overcome the Lib coalition, so both broke quite a few of their own party's core-promises and traditional values in order to win seats in the senate and gain an illegitimate minority government at all cost. Greens aren't what they used to be and neither are Labor. This is the resounding message I'm getting from the public, even when canvassing formerly safe-labor electorates such as the Blue Mountains. Their key-supporters are quite disillusioned with both partys at present. So, best brace yourself for the inevitable. See...Labor were stuck between a rock and a hard-place...  without the greens they are nothing, and to keep them, they had to cave into a carbon-tax to keep them on-side, even if this means going against their own partys traditional core values....re- taking care of the working class which they have discarded. Gillards confected Australian strine drawl wont appeal to the lay working-class  next time round. They have woken up. Sorry. ::)

OMG, these guys are really scared of the greens!

They cannot attack them without attacking themselves: HOW CURIOUS A CHOICE IT IS TO ATTACK THEMSELVES IN ORDER TO ATTACK THE GREENS!

LOL  ;) :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-/ :'( :'(

THIS IS CURIOUS INDEED!  ;)

Scared of the Greens?

No, not at all, given it's become increasingly apparent over the past week or so Australians are not interested in this radical watermelon fringe-party being presided over by some idiot stoned with power and too arrogant to see he's committing political suicide, this and wrecking it for any new Green leader hopeful hoping to fill his shoes shortly, as his drug-induced dementia/psychosis is interfering with his capacity to remember what he says even, rendering him vulnerable to all sorts of media pot-shots. The man's embarrassing!
Time greedy pig-headed Bob stepped aside and gave someone else a crack. He said he was retiring before the last election, then changed his mind. Why?

Next he'll be preaching at Hill Song church, instructing greens voters to bop until the penny's drop... if he hasn't already, Bob Brown is a joke, a dangerous joke, but self-limiting none the less given he is in first stages of dementia.



Lets cast our minds back to this...

In August 2010, just prior to the election, Prime Minister Gillard stated to Channel 10 news "There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead,".These sentiments were also backed prior to the election by Wayne Swan, the treasurer and deputy Prime Minister, also in August 2010,  when he said..."Well, certainly what we rejected is this hysterical allegation that somehow we are moving towards a carbon tax from the Liberals in their advertising. We reject that.". Indeed!

Also, their anti-carbon tax slant seems to have been a long running stance by the Labor party as indicated by a statement made by Penny Wong, the then minister for Climate Change and Water, back in February 2008, "There is no point in imposing a carbon price domestically which results in emissions and production transferring internationally for no environmental gain,".
Furthermore,  various polls in Australia have shown the overwhelming majority of Australians are against the carbon tax, such as the 2GB poll that shows nearly 99% against the tax and the Herald Sun poll that shows over 85% against the tax.
Opposition leader Tony Abbott has called for an election over this issue, and fair enough!!!

On December 30 2010 in France, the a carbon-tax bill was blocked by the French Constitutional Council. It considered the bill included too many exceptions and said they were unconstitutional.

Many countries have come close to imposing this tax, though upon careful scrutiny, have baulked at the last moment, this and or have withdrawn the bill after implementing it due to social disadvantage.

Here, take a look...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_tax

I think Gillard is playing Russian Roulette, this and will oppose it just in time to come up smelling like roses, will become "she who saved us from the radical Greens".... they haven't even set a price yet, it's just stupid old Bob Brown hasn't figured her out, this and thinks he's in with a chance.

I reckon she'll baulk and withdraw at the last minute...leaving Greens with the baby and looking even more stupid than they already do after having preferenced a labile Labor party prone to inaction, procrastination, stalwarting and breaking promises.

See, this will get Greens out of the loop, Gillards playing devils advocate and is using reverse psychology...the message to at least 80% of voters being, vote Labor, not Green or you will be slapped with a carbon tax.
Lol, she's crapping all over Bob Brown, but he's too conceited and drunk with power to realise.

Seriously, with 85% (at least) against a carbon-tax, how can this not spell the end of Bob Brown and his carbonic hash-pipe dreams?

....Gillards slipping Bob a length, and the silly old coot hasn't figured it out.

Look, I never had allot of time for Bob Brown, he was always a bit 'psychedelic'/'radical' for my tastes, but right now, I am feeling a little sorry for him, given he's about to feel Bill Shorten making an orifice  there wasn't one before.


Either a phoney Gillard-ALP government has cut it's losses and has decided to call it a day preparing the party for a future Labor leader (minus the Green factor)..who will make his grand entrance when Labor are in opposition, knowing they will finish up possibly before or at the next election, or she is planning a big surprise, this and will theatrically announce her unwillingness to support the Greens push for a carbon-tax after having received feedback off some review panel, this and will hang Bob Brown and the Greens out to dry.

If she is serious about winning the next election, she would not intentionally compromise her chances by caving into the Greens, which is why I'm undecided as to whether she's committing political suicide, knowing it's a killer, or is planning on snuffing the Greens to free-up the leadership for a future contender ie Shorten.

See, Bill Shorten wont want to share his celebrity presidential status with a Green co-op, so they have to do away with their lesser unwanted Green alliance first, in readiness for the election after next, by which stage, the Greens will be back to being that kooky little party only stoned kids, druggies, and arts students in dreadlocks vote for once more. Oh, and park-bench people!
8-)

Bill wants a majority government, not a half-azzed minority government.

Gillards role is to make sure the slates clean for his grand entry.

it was nice knowing you Bob, even if you have difficulty recalling your own name these days in-between sun-downing. ::)

Bill Shorten is steering well clear of the Carbon-tax back-flip, someone should ask him if he supports a Carbon-tax ...I'll bet he declines to comment, this and weevils out of directly answering the question the media wont ask....and  pledges his loyal support for his party, disclaimer-  irrespective of their current leaders choice of slug policies, his personal differences & political MOA aside.

With Bill Shorten being assistant treasurer, and wanna-be future Labor president, perhaps we should record his current views on a carbon-tax, the tax that will be the straw that breaks the Labor camels back?

Either way they go, they are finished up ... if they don't back it, Greens wont preference them, (so will lose anyway) and if they do back it, the public wont vote for them next election.

Either way Labor are finished!

It's a double edged sword.

8-)i

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2011 at 9:24pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 27th, 2011 at 9:20pm: Quote: only you could ask such a stupid question. That being the case, you will be able to link us to an abundance of sources, wot? She said so herself, you dimwit.

Where did she admit to untruth? You being religious, longweekend, you should know what lying involves ....

So when a labor pollie changes course ("backflips") it's a lie, but when a coalition PM does the same, it's OK (ref the PM who we are not allowed to compare this to).

Or a party leader who freely admits that you can't believe him unless he puts it in writing (and perhaps not even then).

Labor are in stalemate, so pack-up and go home.

;D

Dear Ms J Gillard,


Not only did most people in Australia not vote for a carbon tax. They also did not vote for your Government either.

It would be in everyone's interests if you put this to the people as opposed to going against everything you said before in an attempt to be elected.

With kind Regards

Mr A. Hicks
La Jolla, CA 92038.

Dear Mz Juliar,

lying cheating badhair money wasting bigassed backstabber.


S.Cyclist

Very adult.

Greens Lose is mellie.  There it is, the dead give-a-way.....just look at the posts and observe the phrase........this and.

If you doubt me, have a look at posts she made under the mellie nick.  You will see they are riddled with 'this and.'

:D