Look at this poor media, then the real responses from people.

the leftard's wacist card has been overplayed.



Quote:

HALF of Australians harbour anti-Muslim sentiments and a quarter are anti-Semitic, according to the biggest survey ever done on racism in this country. One in three also admit some level of racist feelings against indigenous people, reported the Herald Sun. The survey of 12,500 people, conducted by leading universities, found Victoria to be one of the most tolerant states. But comparisons between 15 regions statewide show stark differences......... .......Sue Posted at 6:09 AM Today please explain why it is racist to expect immigrants to embrace our way of life and culture, given that we are expected to accept their beliefs and customs??? Comment 3 of 132 BC of Brisbane Posted at 6:10 AM Today An interesting survey. I wonder that the anti Muslim feeling isn't so much racist but a matter of trust given the violence that has been done to the western community in the name of Islam. It is well known that their religion regards non Muslims as Infidels who are better off dead than being a non Muslim. The Muslim community needs to build trust given the terrible acts of violence done in the name of their god. We need to know that we will be safe. We see the push to impose Muslim Law wherever they go and we see this happening in Europe now. In Australia we are being covertly forced to eat halal foods. I want to know I can trust Muslims not to want to impose their beliefs and practices on me and on Australia as a whole. Comment 4 of 132 Princess Vespa of Spaceball City Posted at 6:14 AM Today If I am counted amongst this figure, then so be it. I live in a country that welcomes foreigners and it is an unwritten condition of immigration to fit in, to follow the laws, obey the rules. I lived in the US for five years, and it was a condition of entry that I fly the American flag instead of my own country flag, and that made sense to me. If you live in a country, you live THEIR country, do not bring your country to ours. If I go to an Arab country, I cannot kiss my boyfriend in public, those laws do not apply here. We are a Western country and our laws should not be compromised due to offending those coming here. If you do not like our way of life, one solution. Go Home. Comment 5 of 132 Matt Playford of Brisbane Posted at 6:17 AM Today This is nothing but a joke! If these "studies" are such a science then why do we not use them for elections to save the Country millions? To say 84% of people, when your study has covered less than the 0.5%, is nothing but a joke. Put all the questions up on a website, get the Nation to complete it and then start talking! My issue is that unless you get my view, you are wrong to think you know my view. This is unless your thinking is that by having one white male, married, working, mid 30's, with a boy and girl, etc lets you know what every person like me thinks. I only hope that like bad bad music, this study is fast tracked to the waste basket! Comment 6 of 132 Brax Posted at 6:20 AM Today What a sad case of affairs. Open your minds people. Go out & talk to someone of a different race, colour or creed today & find out for yourselves that we are indeed all the same. Friendliness begets friendliness. Comment 7 of 132 Geoff H of Northside Posted at 6:22 AM Today How about a survey amongst Muslims and see how many are racist against the western world? Comment 8 of 132 stewart raymond of brisbane Posted at 6:24 AM Today I am a converted Muslim but then so is every Muslim as you are not born a Muslim, you are born into a Muslim family. I suggest you travel to other countries then see who is Racist. We are no different then the rest of the world and all countries are racist against any culture from outside. Get off the band wagon about Muslim bashing, those that don't assimilate and become part of their new countries culture bring it on themselves others are perfectly settled as Australian. Muslims or any other culture. Comment 9 of 132 Foxtrot Charlie Posted at 6:26 AM Today I like any Muslim who doesn't want to kill me for my beliefs. I also like any other race that doesn't hate me for being white. Comment 10 of 132 Stoody of Brisbane Posted at 6:26 AM Today I dont understand why I should have to accept everyone for what race and religion they are. I think I should just treat them the way I want to be treated by them. I dont have to talk to them or socialise with them if I dont agree with their beliefs but it doesnt stop me being there when they might call for help. I feel that if someone comes from overseas to live here then it is them that need to be tolerant and them that need to change not me. If you think I'm a racist well I dont care I hate everyone until they show me something to love. Just like they do. Comment 11 of 132

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/were-a-land-of-racists-survey-shows/comments-e6freooo-1226010436251

What, you're arguing for MORE racism?

I found comment #3 the most amusing one...about being 'covertly' forced to halal food......

Oh what a gumby.....he/she should write comedy..

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 1:40pm:

I found comment #3 the most amusing one...about being 'covertly' forced to halal food...... Oh what a gumby.....he/she should write comedy..

Britain goes halal... but no-one tells the public: How famous institutions serve ritually slaughtered meat with no warning
By Simon Mcgee and Martin Delgado
Last updated at 6:51 PM on 19th September 2010

A Mail on Sunday investigation - which will alarm anyone concerned about animal cruelty - has revealed that schools, hospitals, pubs and famous sporting venues such as Ascot and Twickenham are controversially serving up meat slaughtered in accordance with strict Islamic law to unwitting members of the public.
All the beef, chicken and lamb sold to fans at Wembley has secretly been prepared in accordance with sharia law, while Cheltenham College, which boasts of its ‘strong Christian ethos’, is one of several top public schools which also serves halal chicken to pupils without informing them.

Even Britain’s biggest hotel and restaurant group Whitbread, which owns the Beefeater and Brewers Fayre chains, among many others, has admitted that more than three-quarters of its poultry is halal.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1313303/Britain-goes-halal---tells-public.html#ixzz1EkZkQJ4b

But halal foods are no different to normal food.

I don't care which direction my meat is facing when it's slaughtered!

a Christian woman was met with resistance when she attempted to return some meat when she discovered that it was halal. She was only given a refund when she said ‘you would not treat a Muslim this way’.

http://www.libertiesalliance.org/2010/10/17/tesco-at-centre-of-halal-meat-debate-as-they-show-reluctance-to-refund-a-christian/

This site has a video at the bottom of the page showing the difference between western and halal slaughter. Have a look if you dare.

Not funny at all.

... wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 1:47pm:

But halal foods are no different to normal food. I don't care which direction my meat is facing when it's slaughtered!

Nor do I. I just wish the beasts' throats weren't cut and the beasts allowed to bleed to death. A quick bolt just behind the ear is the most humane way.

Attention RSPCA...is there anyone home at the RSPCA?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 10:03am:

Look at this poor media, then the real responses from people. the leftard's wacist card has been overplayed. Quote: Brax Posted at 6:20 AM Today What a sad case of affairs. Open your minds people. Go out & talk to someone of a different race, colour or creed today & find out for yourselves that we are indeed all the same. Friendliness begets friendliness. http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/were-a-land-of-racists-survey-shows/comments-e6freooo-1226010436251

Gee Brax, what if people are clever enough to hide their hate, distrust, suspicions, and other strange behaviours behind a religion like muslims do? We are supposed to welcome people with such feelings into our country and we let them bring their hate manual with them. All we have to do is learn how to hide our feelings behind a religion and they will be acceptable.

salad in wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 4:19pm:

... wrote on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 1:47pm: But halal foods are no different to normal food. I don't care which direction my meat is facing when it's slaughtered! Nor do I. I just wish the beasts' throats weren't cut and the beasts allowed to bleed to death. A quick bolt just behind the ear is the most humane way. Attention RSPCA...is there anyone home at the RSPCA?

You're kidding right?  A slit throat and death by exsanguination is one of the most humane ways to die possible!  

Interesting how our old racist mate Keysar Trad went on ACA and said that 'there's nothing to worry about, it's only meat thats been blessed.No big deal'...
Well then Keysar, you won't mind eating food I've prayed Christian prayers over I take it?

As if western style slaughtering of animals is anything to be proud of in the humanity stakes. The brilliant and autistic Temple Grandin has dedicated her life to changing American (western) attitudes towards animal slaughter.

... wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 4:31pm:

You're kidding right?  A slit throat and death by exsanguination is one of the most humane ways to die possible!

So when do all meat processing plants plan to switch over to this humane way of killing animals?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 7:42pm:

As if western style slaughtering of animals is anything to be proud of in the humanity stakes. The brilliant and autistic Temple Grandin has dedicated her life to changing American (western) attitudes towards animal slaughter.

http://www.libertiesalliance.org/2010/10/17/tesco-at-centre-of-halal-meat-debate...

This site has a video at the bottom of the page showing the difference between western and halal slaughter.

Compare and contrast.

Soren wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 8:02pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 7:42pm: As if western style slaughtering of animals is anything to be proud of in the humanity stakes. The brilliant and autistic Temple Grandin has dedicated her life to changing American (western) attitudes towards animal slaughter. http://www.libertiesalliance.org/2010/10/17/tesco-at-centre-of-halal-meat-debate... This site has a video at the bottom of the page showing the difference between western and halal slaughter. Compare and contrast.

Listen to or watch some of the many broadcasts by Temple Grandin on the inhumane treatment of animals for slaughter (particularly in the cattle industry)... Watch "Food Inc".

Food, Inc. - Industrial Chicken Farmers

Soren wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 1:59pm:

a Christian woman was met with resistance when she attempted to return some meat when she discovered that it was halal. She was only given a refund when she said ‘you would not treat a Muslim this way’. http://www.libertiesalliance.org/2010/10/17/tesco-at-centre-of-halal-meat-debate-as-they-show-reluctance-to-refund-a-christian/ This site has a video at the bottom of the page showing the difference between western and halal slaughter. Have a look if you dare. Not funny at all.

Maybe she'd prefer a distended, hormone injected roast chook instead.

What to feed them and how to kill them - feeding chooks hormones and cutting the throats of cattle - is not the same thing, or the same argument - you shouldn't need me to point this out to you.

I'd sooner have a quick shot to the head than to have a slit throat and slowly bleed to death whilst choking on my own blood.

I'd sooner go on a cruise....


8-)

Soren wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 10:47pm:

I'd sooner go on a cruise.... 8-)

Fair call....LOL.

Soren wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 9:42pm:

What to feed them and how to kill them - feeding chooks hormones and cutting the throats of cattle - is not the same thing, or the same argument - you shouldn't need me to point this out to you.

The argument is about a brutal sense of disregard and contempt for the well being of animals. It's not restructed to one culture.

I'm told terrified pigs in slaughterhouses sound like the screams of terrified humans. Most slaughterhouses have a complete disregard for the animal's welfare and, in the pig's case, a complete disregard for the animal's intelligence, in that each individual becomes aware of the fate of those gone before it.

HC wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 10:05pm:

I'd sooner have a quick shot to the head than to have a slit throat and slowly bleed to death whilst choking on my own blood.

Well, it's not at all slow, and since the brain can't function, thus can't feel pain without blood to supply it...

I'd suggest the bolt is no more humane, but it is a bit cleaner, and THAT is the reason slaughterhouses use them.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 24^th, 2011 at 2:42am:

I'm told terrified pigs in slaughterhouses sound like the screams of terrified humans. Most slaughterhouses have a complete disregard for the animal's welfare and, in the pig's case, a complete disregard for the animal's intelligence, in that each individual becomes aware of the fate of those gone before it.

You are only partially correct helian.

Slaughterhouses do have a regard to the welfare of all animals entering the kill floor, no point being cruel, when you don't have to.

The pigs are aware they are being killed but it isn't cruel death, they are stunned and bled, they die in just s few seconds.

Cattle get hit with a captured bolt and die instantly.

Remember it is illegal to treat animals with disregard and cruelty, even for abatoirs.

This is not what I was told, this is what I have observed on more than one occasion.

salad in wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 7:50pm:

... wrote on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 4:31pm: You're kidding right?  A slit throat and death by exsanguination is one of the most humane ways to die possible!   So when do all meat processing plants plan to switch over to this humane way of killing animals?

LOL the reason they haven't isn't due to it being INhumane....it's due to economic reasons.....the 'slit throat and exsanguination' method is SLOWER, so less animals can be processed per shift than by the 'bolt to the head and cut em up while the heart's still beating' method that non-halal requires...

My father grew up on a farm, and the method farmers use to kill 'house meat' is the slit throat and bleed out type......the only difference to Halal is no prayers and who care which way the beast is facing....I know this because I watched him do it in a suburban backyard..

HC wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 10:05pm:

I'd sooner have a quick shot to the head than to have a slit throat and slowly bleed to death whilst choking on my own blood.

HC, if the windpipe is cut, then it's NOT halal....it's only the jugular that gets cut, and the knife is resharpened between each use....

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2011 at 1:30pm:

salad in wrote on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 7:50pm: ... wrote on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 4:31pm: You're kidding right?  A slit throat and death by exsanguination is one of the most humane ways to die possible!   So when do all meat processing plants plan to switch over to this humane way of killing animals? LOL the reason they haven't isn't due to it being INhumane....it's due to economic reasons.....the 'slit throat and exsanguination' method is SLOWER, so less animals can be processed per shift than by the 'bolt to the head and cut em up while the heart's still beating' method that non-halal requires... My father grew up on a farm, and the method farmers use to kill 'house meat' is the slit throat and bleed out type......the only difference to Halal is no prayers and who care which way the beast is facing....I know this because I watched him do it in a suburban backyard..

Quite a few, if not most abbatoirs in Australia have been slaughtering at least some animals by halal methods for the last 20 years plus. A friend of mine told me of an abbatoir owned by a Muslim businessman that still slaughtered pigs. In the end, what matters is the moolah. Money is king.

Yeah, the only REAL difference is Halal/Kosher requires NO blood to be left in the body...

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2011 at 12:34pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 2:42am: I'm told terrified pigs in slaughterhouses sound like the screams of terrified humans. Most slaughterhouses have a complete disregard for the animal's welfare and, in the pig's case, a complete disregard for the animal's intelligence, in that each individual becomes aware of the fate of those gone before it. You are only partially correct helian. Slaughterhouses do have a regard to the welfare of all animals entering the kill floor, no point being cruel, when you don't have to. The pigs are aware they are being killed but it isn't cruel death, they are stunned and bled, they die in just s few seconds. Cattle get hit with a captured bolt and die instantly. Remember it is illegal to treat animals with disregard and cruelty, even for abatoirs. This is not what I was told, this is what I have observed on more than one occasion.

On more than one occasion? What does that mean? On two occasions? Or just something to say to make it sound real?

nothing is truly real unless you believe

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 24^th, 2011 at 10:14pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 12:34pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 2:42am: I'm told terrified pigs in slaughterhouses sound like the screams of terrified humans. Most slaughterhouses have a complete disregard for the animal's welfare and, in the pig's case, a complete disregard for the animal's intelligence, in that each individual becomes aware of the fate of those gone before it. You are only partially correct helian. Slaughterhouses do have a regard to the welfare of all animals entering the kill floor, no point being cruel, when you don't have to. The pigs are aware they are being killed but it isn't cruel death, they are stunned and bled, they die in just s few seconds. Cattle get hit with a captured bolt and die instantly. Remember it is illegal to treat animals with disregard and cruelty, even for abatoirs. This is not what I was told, this is what I have observed on more than one occasion. On more than one occasion? What does that mean? On two occasions? Or just something to say to make it sound real?

Do you really need exact figuresto make itr seem real to you.

I was there at one particular abatoir for a couple of weeks and observed the slaughter of a few hundred animals in that period.  

What the hell go to one yourself and have a look, rather than listening to your friends or even my account of what goes on.

Not really worth the beligerence from you to 'prove' my case.  >:(

Dragon Man wrote on Feb 25^th, 2011 at 12:58am:

nothing is truly real unless you believe

Thank you sage. Go in peace.

the wisdom will disappear.

Our real problem isn't the kind of people we let in but the kind of people we are. We're racist. Bad to the bone.

"About one in 10 Australians have very problematic views on diversity and on ethnic difference. They believe that some races are naturally inferior or superior. These separatists and supremacists are a destructive minority."

...

Our dislike of foreigners seems oddly selective, according to this University of Western Sydney research. Although 49 per cent of us are "anti-Muslim", only half as many are "anti-Semitic", "anti-indigenous" or "anti-Asian". And our dislike of Buddhists is so minor that it's not measured at all.

Let's ignore the trick questions that produced these startlingly high figures, and simply acknowledge that at least half of our alleged racists aren't actually racist at all towards, say, an Aboriginal, a Jew, a Hindu or Italian.

It's the Muslim minority which provokes by far the most concern, and another Government campaign announced this week may explain why.

This one is aimed at Muslims, with $1 million to be spent on convincing the young to be against extremism, so that other Australians don't get killed.

Well, that's nice, although I confess I've never heard a government say such a plan was needed for Sikhs, Catholics, Indians, Chinese or anyone else




Can anyone find fault in this reasoning?

There is no 'wacism' towards Italians, Brazilians, Canadians,  (dare I say it?) Danes.

Soren wrote on Feb 25^th, 2011 at 10:06pm:

Our real problem isn't the kind of people we let in but the kind of people we are. We're racist. Bad to the bone. "About one in 10 Australians have very problematic views on diversity and on ethnic difference. They believe that some races are naturally inferior or superior. These separatists and supremacists are a destructive minority." ... Our dislike of foreigners seems oddly selective, according to this University of Western Sydney research. Although 49 per cent of us are "anti-Muslim", only half as many are "anti-Semitic", "anti-indigenous" or "anti-Asian". And our dislike of Buddhists is so minor that it's not measured at all. Let's ignore the trick questions that produced these startlingly high figures, and simply acknowledge that at least half of our alleged racists aren't actually racist at all towards, say, an Aboriginal, a Jew, a Hindu or Italian. It's the Muslim minority which provokes by far the most concern, and another Government campaign announced this week may explain why. This one is aimed at Muslims, with $1 million to be spent on convincing the young to be against extremism, so that other Australians don't get killed. Well, that's nice, although I confess I've never heard a government say such a plan was needed for Sikhs, Catholics, Indians, Chinese or anyone else Can anyone find fault in this reasoning? There is no 'wacism' towards Italians, Brazilians, Canadians,  (dare I say it?) Danes.

Really? Perhaps you missed Pauline Hanson's maiden speech, old boy.

Big Donger wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 1:28pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 25th, 2011 at 10:06pm: Our real problem isn't the kind of people we let in but the kind of people we are. We're racist. Bad to the bone. "About one in 10 Australians have very problematic views on diversity and on ethnic difference. They believe that some races are naturally inferior or superior. These separatists and supremacists are a destructive minority." ... Our dislike of foreigners seems oddly selective, according to this University of Western Sydney research. Although 49 per cent of us are "anti-Muslim", only half as many are "anti-Semitic", "anti-indigenous" or "anti-Asian". And our dislike of Buddhists is so minor that it's not measured at all. Let's ignore the trick questions that produced these startlingly high figures, and simply acknowledge that at least half of our alleged racists aren't actually racist at all towards, say, an Aboriginal, a Jew, a Hindu or Italian. It's the Muslim minority which provokes by far the most concern, and another Government campaign announced this week may explain why. This one is aimed at Muslims, with $1 million to be spent on convincing the young to be against extremism, so that other Australians don't get killed. Well, that's nice, although I confess I've never heard a government say such a plan was needed for Sikhs, Catholics, Indians, Chinese or anyone else Can anyone find fault in this reasoning? There is no 'wacism' towards Italians, Brazilians, Canadians,  (dare I say it?) Danes. Really? Perhaps you missed Pauline Hanson's maiden speech, old boy.

Wasn't Pauline's speech aimed at Asians more than Italians????

Sure was. Buddhist Asians included.

I'm not too sure she's fond of Sikhs either. Or Catholic Philippinos.

I haven't read through this whole thread yet - but my gut feeling is that: these survey results are the direct result of over a decade of anti-Muslim rhetoric and propaganda used to justify the West's military action in Kuwait and the 'shock and awe' campaign in Iraq - and the subsequent warmongering antics of the Coalition of the Killing - especially the oxymoronic 'War on Terror'...

If the same survey was conducted 15 and 10 years prior, the results would have been vastly different...

For example, 15 years ago, I doubt that I was only Aussie who wouldn't have known that many Lebanese people were Muslims...

Equitist wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 2:08pm:

I haven't read through this whole thread yet - but my gut feeling is that: these survey results are the direct result of over a decade of anti-Muslim rhetoric and propaganda used to justify the West's military action in Kuwait and the 'shock and awe' campaign in Iraq - and the subsequent warmongering antics of the Coalition of the Killing - especially the oxymoronic 'War on Terror'... If the same survey was conducted 15 and 10 years prior, the results would have been vastly different... For example, 15 years ago, I doubt that I was only Aussie who wouldn't have known that many Lebanese people were Muslims...

Actually, I think most of the ones we get here are Christian.

Equitist wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 2:08pm:

I haven't read through this whole thread yet - but my gut feeling is that: these survey results are the direct result of over a decade of anti-Muslim rhetoric and propaganda used to justify the West's military action in Kuwait and the 'shock and awe' campaign in Iraq - and the subsequent warmongering antics of the Coalition of the Killing - especially the oxymoronic 'War on Terror'... If the same survey was conducted 15 and 10 years prior, the results would have been vastly different... For example, 15 years ago, I doubt that I was only Aussie who wouldn't have known that many Lebanese people were Muslims...

Over a decade, eh? Over a decade ago the west was involved in wars on the Muslims' side. Too young or too dizzy (or both) to recall?





The pertinent point, once more, for the short-sighted/slow/dizzy ones at the back of the class:


Quote:

This one [government program] is aimed at Muslims, with $1 million to be spent on convincing the young to be against extremism, so that other Australians don't get killed. Well, that's nice, although I confess I've never heard a government say such a plan was needed for Sikhs, Catholics, Indians, Chinese or anyone else.

Has anyone heard of a government program to convince the young of any other religious group not to enagage in activities calculated to kill Australians?

Big Donger wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 2:11pm:

Equitist wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 2:08pm: I haven't read through this whole thread yet - but my gut feeling is that: these survey results are the direct result of over a decade of anti-Muslim rhetoric and propaganda used to justify the West's military action in Kuwait and the 'shock and awe' campaign in Iraq - and the subsequent warmongering antics of the Coalition of the Killing - especially the oxymoronic 'War on Terror'... If the same survey was conducted 15 and 10 years prior, the results would have been vastly different... For example, 15 years ago, I doubt that I was only Aussie who wouldn't have known that many Lebanese people were Muslims... Actually, I think most of the ones we get here are Christian.

Yeah, I thought that too....most of the Lebanese guys I went to school with in the 70's and 80's were Christians...

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 2:38pm:

Equitist wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 2:08pm: I haven't read through this whole thread yet - but my gut feeling is that: these survey results are the direct result of over a decade of anti-Muslim rhetoric and propaganda used to justify the West's military action in Kuwait and the 'shock and awe' campaign in Iraq - and the subsequent warmongering antics of the Coalition of the Killing - especially the oxymoronic 'War on Terror'... If the same survey was conducted 15 and 10 years prior, the results would have been vastly different... For example, 15 years ago, I doubt that I was only Aussie who wouldn't have known that many Lebanese people were Muslims... Over a decade, eh? Over a decade ago the west was involved in wars on the Muslims' side. Too young or too dizzy (or both) to recall? The pertinent point, once more, for the short-sighted/slow/dizzy ones at the back of the class: Quote: This one [government program] is aimed at Muslims, with $1 million to be spent on convincing the young to be against extremism, so that other Australians don't get killed. Well, that's nice, although I confess I've never heard a government say such a plan was needed for Sikhs, Catholics, Indians, Chinese or anyone else. Has anyone heard of a government program to convince the young of any other religious group not to enagage in activities calculated to kill Australians?

Not at all. But there have been many government programs calculated to get the young to KILL other Australians - particularly of the communist kind. ASIO were particularly fond of the National Front, if I remember rightly, who had a blood-lust for Maoists and liked to bomb their bookstores.

Then there was ASIO's support for anti-communist Croatian militia groups, all of them armed to the teeth, who regularly bombed Yugoslavian consulates throughout the 1960s.

Then, of course, there's the NSW Special Branch - a highly effective crime fighting team that rarely came back from their long, liquid lunches. They were the ones who bombed the Hilton Hotel, and even stuffed that one up, killing a garbage guy and severely injuring a cop.

And then framed the Ananda Margas, a vegetarian meditation group, many of whom spent over a decade in jail for the Special Branch's job before they were released.

Should I mention the NSW police's support of a number of criminal gangs and identities, many given the Green Light, which included tips on which banks to hit and which crims the cops wanted taken out?

All paid, of course, by the Australian taxpayer, most of whom sincerely believed the spies and police were there to protect them.

Back in the 70s, the Australian taxpayer funded lovely little cultural festivals with happy-slappy dances, hosen and Tyrolean hats. Nothing much has changed, it seems, with the exception of the dress code and the place of prayer.

God is, after all, great.

Everyone is welcome to participate in the marvellous experiment that is Australian multiculturalism - even, dare I say, Northern Europeans.

Ladies, bring a plate.

None of what you say is relevant to the point. Of course.


"This one [government program] is aimed at Muslims, with $1 million to be spent on convincing the young to be against extremism, so that other Australians don't get killed.

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2011 at 8:58pm:

None of what you say is relevant to the point. Of course. "This one [government program] is aimed at Muslims, with $1 million to be spent on convincing the young to be against extremism, so that other Australians don't get killed.

No, I suppose a government program that funded Croatian militia groups to kill other Australians is a bit of a leap.

Kindly post a link to your program, dear boy, and allow us to agree with you.

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov.au/www/ministers/mcclelland.nsf/Page/MediaReleases_2011_FirstQuarter_22February2011-Youthmentoringgrantstohelptackleviolentextremism

Ah - I see Anglicare were granted a tender.

Perhaps they're attempting to counter the growing exodus to Hillsong:

Anglicare Sydney – Aussie Youth Connect
This initiative will train and develop young people to become mentors.  These individuals will mentor other young people between the ages of 12-24 years who are vulnerable, disadvantaged and have had difficult life circumstances.  The project specifically assists mentees who have exhibited anti-social behaviour, are at risk of offending, and are at risk of having extremist views and be willing to use violence.  The program will promote growth and development of the mentee’s self-awareness, self-discipline and provide healthy role models, with the possibility of training them to go on to become mentors in the future.  The project includes an eight week training program for mentors and mentees, on topics such as leadership, alternatives to violence and social resilience.  Mentors will build community relationships and create opportunities for engagement with young people who may be at risk of extremist views or ideologies of intolerance, leading to poor decision making and anti-social behaviours.

salad in wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 7:50pm:

You're kidding right?  A slit throat and death by exsanguination is one of the most humane ways to die possible!

That's probably what your good old war god of the old testament would do if he still had his way :-*

YourWillBeDone wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 7:50pm:

salad in wrote on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 7:50pm: You're kidding right?  A slit throat and death by exsanguination is one of the most humane ways to die possible!   That's probably what your good old war god of the old testament would do if he still had his way :-*

That is not my quote. If you backtrack you'll find that WESLEY.PIPES uttered those words. Go back and check page 1.

salad in wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 2:20pm:

YourWillBeDone wrote on Mar 1st, 2011 at 7:50pm: salad in wrote on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 7:50pm: You're kidding right?  A slit throat and death by exsanguination is one of the most humane ways to die possible!   That's probably what your good old war god of the old testament would do if he still had his way :-* That is not my quote. If you backtrack you'll find that WESLEY.PIPES uttered those words. Go back and check page 1.

Yep, my words.  Quite what it's got to do with the old testament, I don't know.

Big Donger wrote on Mar 1^st, 2011 at 2:20pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 8:58pm: None of what you say is relevant to the point. Of course. "This one [government program] is aimed at Muslims, with $1 million to be spent on convincing the young to be against extremism, so that other Australians don't get killed. No, I suppose a government program that funded Croatian militia groups to kill other Australians is a bit of a leap. Kindly post a link to your program, dear boy, and allow us to agree with you.

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov.au/www/ministers/mcclelland.nsf/Page/MediaReleases_2011_FirstQuarter_22February2011-Youthmentoringgrantstohelptackleviolentextremism

suck on that one karnal

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2011 at 3:36pm:

Big Donger wrote on Mar 1st, 2011 at 2:20pm: Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 8:58pm: None of what you say is relevant to the point. Of course. "This one [government program] is aimed at Muslims, with $1 million to be spent on convincing the young to be against extremism, so that other Australians don't get killed. No, I suppose a government program that funded Croatian militia groups to kill other Australians is a bit of a leap. Kindly post a link to your program, dear boy, and allow us to agree with you. http://www.attorneygeneral.gov.au/www/ministers/mcclelland.nsf/Page/MediaReleases_2011_FirstQuarter_22February2011-Youthmentoringgrantstohelptackleviolentextremism suck on that one karnal

Oh, I have, dear. A million spent on youth mentors - programs that would have been funded, clash of civilizations or not - and programs that don't necessarily target Muslims.

Not that I'm saying that targeting Muslims for community development isn't a good idea. But this is another question.

Do you feel comforted?

Big Donger wrote on Mar 21^st, 2011 at 2:38am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 2nd, 2011 at 3:36pm: Big Donger wrote on Mar 1st, 2011 at 2:20pm: Soren wrote on Feb 28th, 2011 at 8:58pm: None of what you say is relevant to the point. Of course. "This one [government program] is aimed at Muslims, with $1 million to be spent on convincing the young to be against extremism, so that other Australians don't get killed. No, I suppose a government program that funded Croatian militia groups to kill other Australians is a bit of a leap. Kindly post a link to your program, dear boy, and allow us to agree with you. http://www.attorneygeneral.gov.au/www/ministers/mcclelland.nsf/Page/MediaReleases_2011_FirstQuarter_22February2011-Youthmentoringgrantstohelptackleviolentextremism suck on that one karnal Oh, I have, dear. A million spent on youth mentors - programs that would have been funded, clash of civilizations or not - and programs that don't necessarily target Muslims. Not that I'm saying that targeting Muslims for community development isn't a good idea. But this is another question. Do you feel comforted?

Er.. no, don't feel comforted.

This just in, on the uses and abuses of Australian citizenship:

Australian national charged with spying for Hamas
By RON FRIEDMAN AND JPOST.COM STAFF  
04/19/2011 20:46


Saudi-born man caught at Ben Gurion Airport after trying to enter Israel; indictment says he received weapons training in Syria.
An Australian citizen of Saudi origin was indicted in the Central District Court on Sunday for membership in the Hamas terrorist organization and attempting to aid the organization in attacking Israel.

The man, Ia'ad Rashid Abu Arja, was arrested by the police and the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) last week, when he attempted to enter the country at Ben Gurion Airport.

According to the indictment, Abu Arja was recruited to Hamas and met with its operatives in Syria, where he also underwent weapons training. The indictment states that Abu Arja, who has a background in computers, was asked to acquire technologies for encryption, photography, and missile guidance.

The indictment states that the purpose of his visit to Israel was to test whether he would be able to get past Israeli security and enter the country for future missions. He was also allegedly asked to form business contacts with local companies.

Police and Shin Bet forces told Channel 2 news that Arja's attempt to enter Israel is one more example of ongoing efforts by Hamas and other terrorist organizations to recruit agents who have the ability to enter the country and establish various connections here.
http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=217190

How insensitive! Why do they have to say 'of Saudi origin'? The Silly Morning Herald and the Pravda on the Yarra wouldn't have been so callous and multiculturally insensitive. They would have been happy just to create the impression that Islam has nuffin to do wiv nuffin and call the bloke an 'Australian'.
That's jews for ya, eh? They have to call a spade a bloody shovel.

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