JULIA Gillard's reliance on the Australian Greens to maintain her minority government has forced her to dump $364 million in proposed spending cuts designed to free up money to repair Queensland flood damage.

Translated: The flood repairs will take longer now because the money she planned to use for faster delivery of flood relief has been swallowed up by Bob Brown and our independents wanting to be reimbursed for their votes.

And today, like the Greens who received a wind back to cuts to the solar flagship program and the national rental affordability scheme in exchange for their votes  Mr Wilkie got concessions from Labor in return for his vote also.



Quote:

''I am pleased to announced I have negotiated for $50 million of that $88 million [for the Australian Learning and Teaching Fund] to be restored, which is the full amount of its current projects grant program,''

he said.

Independent Bob Katter, West Australian National Tony Crook and Family First Senator Steve Fielding have previously announced they will support the levy, will there even be anything left to relieve flood victims with?

The Coalition opposes it....Sees this politically opportunistic scheme/unnecessary tax for what it is, when we know, the flood tax wasn't required to begin with (refer to Obama and royal family secret flood appeal donations), though to pass it,  Gillard has bought votes/friends again, greasing the well oiled palms of her needy co-independents and Green alliance.


'
Quote:

'It is now just up to Senator Xenophon to decide if he supports the levy. I would encourage him to do that. ... We just need to get on now and do the rebuilding,'' Mr Wilkie said.

I wonder what he will want for his signature?


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/greens-votes-on-flood-levy-cost-labor-364m/story-fn59niix-1226007855010

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/national/national/general/wilkie-backs-flood-levy/2080640.aspx


So, just keep-dry until they have finished sorting the loot, and they will start rebuilding your communities shortly.

You may think of it as camping in tents, just for a very very long time.

Hint: They already have more than enough to start building, just it's first things first.

8-)  

so much for shoulder to the wheel everyone must contribute to this disaster is it only the left that give a sh!t about what these people are going though.. what else was it.. something about the hard right..lol..

no the only ones to contribute will be those earning over $50k..

and booby has proved his worth along with Wilke that blackmail is the way to go.. and get huge pats on the back..

the we only sell out vote party arty

you see we really dont give a stuff about Qld or Vic or Darwin..its all about our votes..and thats what comes first..

what a country!!

cods wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 6:45pm:

so much for shoulder to the wheel everyone must contribute to this disaster is it only the left that give a sh!t about what these people are going though.. what else was it.. something about the hard right..lol.. no the only ones to contribute will be those earning over $50k.. and booby has proved his worth along with Wilke that blackmail is the way to go.. and get huge pats on the back.. the we only sell out vote party arty you see we really dont give a stuff about Qld or Vic or Darwin..its all about our votes..and thats what comes first.. what a country!!

Yep, and so the palm greasing exercise will extend right up to the next federal election, if Gillard plays her cards right, and delivers in conditional instalments, ensuring key-independents and cross bencher's don't cut their noses off to spite their faces aka cross the floor (oust Gillard) before next federal election.

She knows how to play her cards...

She'll be shot to pieces at the next federal election, but unfortunately, the odds of her staying in power until then are increasing by the day it seems.

Winners are grinners!

And I think she'd have a grin from ear to ear right about now....pending the greed of the remaining vultures who plan to sell their votes also.

Oh, and about those flood victims...  be patient, the priority creditors must come first, and what's left over, they may decided to trickle it amongst the rest.

Those in marginal electorates, will be relieved first, those in secure labor seats will just have to suck eggs...and wait for their chosen government to get round to them last.

This levy, has just paid for her pre-electoral sweeteners and secured indies who may have otherwise thought about crossing the floor before next federal election.

8-)

Translated: The flood repairs will take longer now because the money she planned to use for faster delivery of flood relief has been swallowed up by Bob Brown and our independents wanting to be reimbursed for their votes.



So this is just your thinking?


Meanwhile why didn't Abbott give the flood levy the tick without any strings?

____ wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 7:23pm:

Translated: The flood repairs will take longer now because the money she planned to use for faster delivery of flood relief has been swallowed up by Bob Brown and our independents wanting to be reimbursed for their votes. So this is just your thinking? Meanwhile why didn't Abbott give the flood levy the tick without any strings?

He's was too busy trying to work out where the fat in the budget was, and since the he's been busy trying to manipulate forward estimates so it looks like he's saving money whereas in fact he is increasing expenditure.  


"I will cut $500M to fund Indonesian schools, which is spread out over 4 years. However, I am still committed to increasing foreign aid by 0.5% of GDP by 2015, meaning that $500M will have to flow back in within the next 4 years."

... ...

Liberals, the greatest economists of our time!

Abbott boycotted the flood tax levy based on principle, he knew it was an unnecessary tax, one which you all in time will come to realise, so why would he sign a tax he knows is purely for politically opportunistic purposes?

That would mean he'd have to say..."Yeah, I was stupid enough to give it the tick too"...when I know, he's smart enough to tell this is a complete cop-out and rort.


It's probably as close as you can get to fraud without getting prosecuted based on the presumption of innocence and the fact that Gillard has safe guarded herself to provide proof of her 'perceived good-will"  however misguided and staged some of us know this to be.

I know why she did it, Abbott knows why she did it....for those who don't, you will have to wait for the re-plays before the penny finally drops.

::)


Fraud: A deception deliberately practised in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 8:58pm:

Abbott boycotted based on principle, he knew it was an unessesary tax, one which you all in time will come to realise, so why would he sign a tax he knows is purely for politically opportunistic purposes? That would mean he'd have to say..."Yeah, I was stupid enough to give it the tick too"...when I know, he's smart enough to tell this is a complete cop-out and rort. It's probably as close as you can get to fraud without getting prosecuted based on the presumption of innocence and the fact that Gillard has safe guarded herself to provide proof of her 'perceived good-will"  however misguided and staged some of us know this to be. I know why she did it, Abbott knows why she did it....for those who don't, you will have to wait for the re-plays before the penny finally drops. ::) Fraud: A deception deliberately practised in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.

Care to comment on Abbott's planned budget cuts to the so easy to find fat, that ended up in deferring spending that will come back into the future estimates and result in over-spending? No? Nothing to say? Ok, continue your normal blubbering.

It all comes out in the wash....including the generous donations made by the royal family and President Obama to the flood appeal.

Even Oprah and the Gates donated.

Have they disclosed this? No...and why not?

Ok, people have a right to donate privately, but there's no harm adding the sum to the public register as having come from an anonymous donor.

Never assume everyone is as stupid as you look. OK

8-)

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:06pm:

It all comes out in the wash....including the generous donations made by the royal family and President Obama to the flood appeal. Even Oprah and the Gates donated. Have they disclosed this? No...and why not? Ok, people have a right to donate privately, but there's no harm adding the sum to the public register as having come from an anonymous donor. Never assume everyone is as stupid as you look. OK 8-)

That doesn't really answer the question about Abbott's proposed cuts. Do you deny that the deferments will result in added expenditure in forward estimates?  

Furthermore, I'm far from blubbering, things are going according to plan.

Gillard is making mistakes and contradicting herself all over the place...so is effectively, bringing her self down.

8-)

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:09pm:

Furthermore, I'm far from blubbering, things are going according to plan. Gillard is making mistakes and contradicting herself all over the place...so is effectively, bringing her self down. 8-)

You don't think it's a contradiction by Abbott to say he is cutting spending, when in actual fact if he was in government and his plan was used he'd be increasing spending?

Or was that comment just an attempt to try and avoid being able to actually answer something for once, and just continue with the same nauseating dribble about nothing?

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 8:58pm:

Abbott boycotted the flood tax levy based on principle, he knew it was an unnecessary tax, one which you all in time will come to realise, so why would he sign a tax he knows is purely for politically opportunistic purposes? That would mean he'd have to say..."Yeah, I was stupid enough to give it the tick too"...when I know, he's smart enough to tell this is a complete cop-out and rort. It's probably as close as you can get to fraud without getting prosecuted based on the presumption of innocence and the fact that Gillard has safe guarded herself to provide proof of her 'perceived good-will"  however misguided and staged some of us know this to be. I know why she did it, Abbott knows why she did it....for those who don't, you will have to wait for the re-plays before the penny finally drops. ::) Fraud: A deception deliberately practised in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.

Jeewiz alevine...you must be twitching by now...wondering why I know what I do.

;)

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:16pm:

mellie wrote on Feb 18th, 2011 at 8:58pm: Abbott boycotted the flood tax levy based on principle, he knew it was an unnecessary tax, one which you all in time will come to realise, so why would he sign a tax he knows is purely for politically opportunistic purposes? That would mean he'd have to say..."Yeah, I was stupid enough to give it the tick too"...when I know, he's smart enough to tell this is a complete cop-out and rort. It's probably as close as you can get to fraud without getting prosecuted based on the presumption of innocence and the fact that Gillard has safe guarded herself to provide proof of her 'perceived good-will"  however misguided and staged some of us know this to be. I know why she did it, Abbott knows why she did it....for those who don't, you will have to wait for the re-plays before the penny finally drops. ::) Fraud: A deception deliberately practised in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain. Jeewiz alevine...you must be twitching by now...wondering why I know what I do. ;)

Once again, doesn't really answer the question, now does it?

Poor mellie :( It must be hard being in your shoes :(

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:11pm:

mellie wrote on Feb 18th, 2011 at 9:09pm: Furthermore, I'm far from blubbering, things are going according to plan. Gillard is making mistakes and contradicting herself all over the place...so is effectively, bringing her self down. 8-) You don't think it's a contradiction by Abbott to say he is cutting spending, when in actual fact if he was in government and his plan was used he'd be increasing spending? Or was that comment just an attempt to try and avoid being able to actually answer something for once, and just continue with the same nauseating dribble about nothing?

You have no idea what he would have done,  and or what he had planned, because he, isn't stupid enough to show his hand only for the faceless men Inc  to come in and steal his glory, policies,  once again like they have in the past.

They chose her because she's a dumb stooge, lacks a genetic duty of care to do the right thing by our country, (no kids futures to worry about)..this and doesn't even appear to have a conscience.  She's a sociopath, an opportunist, and has to pay people to associate with her, and even then, they only do this because they have a vested interest in hers and others agenda.

She wasn't installed based on political merit, even her resume is appalling.

If she failed as a minister then what on earth made you think she would be who is calling the shots and running our country?

Newsflash : Gillards the messenger, that's all...this and the most cultivated loyalist to the regime in charge of our country right now.

That's why she was chosen...she could be relied upon to shut her mouth and keep her head up without so much as a pang of guilt with respects to what's she's enabling others do to our country right now.

She will move overseas as soon as she's toppled.

8-)

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2011 at 9:11pm: mellie wrote on Feb 18th, 2011 at 9:09pm: Furthermore, I'm far from blubbering, things are going according to plan. Gillard is making mistakes and contradicting herself all over the place...so is effectively, bringing her self down. 8-) You don't think it's a contradiction by Abbott to say he is cutting spending, when in actual fact if he was in government and his plan was used he'd be increasing spending? Or was that comment just an attempt to try and avoid being able to actually answer something for once, and just continue with the same nauseating dribble about nothing? You have no idea what he would have done,  and or what he had planned, because he, isn't stupid enough to show his hand only for the faceless men Inc  to come in and steal his glory, policies,  once again like they have in the past. They chose her because she's a dumb stooge, lacks a genetic duty of care to do the right thing by our country, (no kids futures to worry about)..this and doesn't even appear to have a conscience.  She's a sociopath, an opportunist, and has to pay people to associate with her, and even then, they only do this because they have a vested interest in hers and others agenda. She wasn't installed based on political merit, even her resume is appalling. If she failed as a minister then what on earth made you think she would be who is calling the shots and running our country? Newsflash : Gillards the messenger, that's all...this and the most cultivated loyalist to the regime in charge of our country right now. That's why she was chosen...she could be relied upon to shut her mouth and keep her head up without so much as a pang of guilt with respects to what's she's enabling others do to our country right now. She will move overseas as soon as she's toppled. 8-)

Still doesn't answer the question, does it?

We know exactly what he would've done:
http://liberal.org.au/Pages/~/media/Files/110208%20Savings%20and%20Deferral%20Measures.ashx

Care to comment on whether the deferred cuts will be brought back into forward estimates? Especially if Abbott is committed to increasing foreign aid by 0.5% of GDP by 2015?

Umm, to get back your topic, mellie.

What say ye?  Do you agree that the House of Reps is a done deal and that the ALP need only one......Nick...in the Senate.

So tell me.

Who/what is holding up that 'relief?'

Aussie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 9:41pm:

Umm, to get back your topic, mellie. What say ye?  Do you agree that the House of Reps is a done deal and that the ALP need only one......Nick...in the Senate. So tell me. Who/what is holding up that 'relief?'

I'm afraid she's done with this thread.  She'll probably return to it sometime during the middle of the night to post some more dribble but apart from that, while she knows there are things she can't answer she'll just have to go hide under her rock as per usual.

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 6:33pm:

JULIA Gillard's reliance on the Australian Greens to maintain her minority government has forced her to dump $364 million in proposed spending cuts designed to free up money to repair Queensland flood damage. Translated: The flood repairs will take longer now because the money she planned to use for faster delivery of flood relief has been swallowed up by Bob Brown and our independents wanting to be reimbursed for their votes. And today, like the Greens who received a wind back to cuts to the solar flagship program and the national rental affordability scheme in exchange for their votes  Mr Wilkie got concessions from Labor in return for his vote also. Quote: ''I am pleased to announced I have negotiated for $50 million of that $88 million [for the Australian Learning and Teaching Fund] to be restored, which is the full amount of its current projects grant program,'' he said. Independent Bob Katter, West Australian National Tony Crook and Family First Senator Steve Fielding have previously announced they will support the levy, will there even be anything left to relieve flood victims with? The Coalition opposes it....Sees this politically opportunistic scheme/unnecessary tax for what it is, when we know, the flood tax wasn't required to begin with (refer to Obama and royal family secret flood appeal donations), though to pass it,  Gillard has bought votes/friends again, greasing the well oiled palms of her needy co-independents and Green alliance. '[quote]'It is now just up to Senator Xenophon to decide if he supports the levy. I would encourage him to do that. ... We just need to get on now and do the rebuilding,'' Mr Wilkie said.

I wonder what he will want for his signature?


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/greens-votes-on-flood-levy-cost-labor-364m/story-fn59niix-1226007855010

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/national/national/general/wilkie-backs-flood-levy/2080640.aspx


So, just keep-dry until they have finished sorting the loot, and they will start rebuilding your communities shortly.

You may think of it as camping in tents, just for a very very long time.

Hint: They already have more than enough to start building, just it's first things first.

8-)  

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http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8835/odht8p1298032806.jpg

What about moieee
It isnt feeear
I wont moiii tax
my flood leveeee

Caant yoo seee
I'm a wanna-beee

coz,

Labor take more than weee give

It's all about moiieeeee

what about moiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee  

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 10:38pm:

mellie wrote on Feb 18th, 2011 at 6:33pm: JULIA Gillard's reliance on the Australian Greens to maintain her minority government has forced her to dump $364 million in proposed spending cuts designed to free up money to repair Queensland flood damage. Translated: The flood repairs will take longer now because the money she planned to use for faster delivery of flood relief has been swallowed up by Bob Brown and our independents wanting to be reimbursed for their votes. And today, like the Greens who received a wind back to cuts to the solar flagship program and the national rental affordability scheme in exchange for their votes  Mr Wilkie got concessions from Labor in return for his vote also. Quote: ''I am pleased to announced I have negotiated for $50 million of that $88 million [for the Australian Learning and Teaching Fund] to be restored, which is the full amount of its current projects grant program,'' he said. Independent Bob Katter, West Australian National Tony Crook and Family First Senator Steve Fielding have previously announced they will support the levy, will there even be anything left to relieve flood victims with? The Coalition opposes it....Sees this politically opportunistic scheme/unnecessary tax for what it is, when we know, the flood tax wasn't required to begin with (refer to Obama and royal family secret flood appeal donations), though to pass it,  Gillard has bought votes/friends again, greasing the well oiled palms of her needy co-independents and Green alliance. '[quote]'It is now just up to Senator Xenophon to decide if he supports the levy. I would encourage him to do that. ... We just need to get on now and do the rebuilding,'' Mr Wilkie said. I wonder what he will want for his signature? http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/greens-votes-on-flood-levy-cost-labor-364m/story-fn59niix-1226007855010 http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/national/national/general/wilkie-backs-flood-levy/2080640.aspx So, just keep-dry until they have finished sorting the loot, and they will start rebuilding your communities shortly. You may think of it as camping in tents, just for a very very long time. Hint: They already have more than enough to start building, just it's first things first. 8-)

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8835/odht8p1298032806.jpg

What about moieee
It isnt feeear
I wont moiii tax
my flood leveeee

Caant yoo seee
I'm a wanna-beee

coz,

Labor take more than weee give

It's all about moiieeeee

what about moiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee  [/quote]

Back to the point however, mellie, what would the alternative be? Added expenditure from the liberal party?

Really, stop trying to dodge the question and answer it. You're ever so smart!

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8835/odht8p1298032806.jpg

What about moieee
It isnt feeear
I wont moiii tax
my flood leveeee

Caant yoo seee
I'm a wanna-beee

coz,

Labor take more than weee give

It's all about moiieeeee

what about moiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee  

____________________________________________

mellie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 10:49pm:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8835/odht8p1298032806.jpg What about moieee It isnt feeear I wont moiii tax my flood leveeee Caant yoo seee I'm a wanna-beee coz, Labor take more than weee give It's all about moiieeeee what about moiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee   ____________________________________________

and here is a sign mellie is lost for words :(

Shame.

Probably can't understand the liberal proposal, so can't comment on it :(  

Keep singing your song mellie :) :)

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Lost for words?

Never. ;)  Tony already stated his costings in a number of areas, as I have already defined, though was branded a racist for impinging on $400 out of  $500 million Indonesian school funding, wanting to defer the rest until we had sorted out our flood crisis.  
Imediatly, Gillard sprung into refugee funeral grieving mode, then went on to demand Liberals sack a minister based on rumour and speculation, similar to the way she accused Julian Assange of criminal acts...but was she held accountable for her vicious spiteful lies?

No, we just got on with things and let her have her day in the sun.

Ok, Labor day saints supporters may still have faith, but guess what?

Queenslanders want a coalition victory, this and would even take Rudd back in a pinch if given half a chance.

Feast your eyes on this my weary little leftard muppets...

QUEENSLANDERS want Kevin Rudd to return to the Labor leadership, according to a new Galaxy poll conducted exclusively for The Courier-Mail.

In a sign of how Julia Gillard is struggling to regain ground in the Sunshine State, she only won 33 per cent support as preferred Labor leader compared with Mr Rudd's 44 per cent.

Even more damaging for Labor, Tony Abbott is now neck-and-neck with Ms Gillard as preferred prime minister with both recording 47 per cent support in Queensland.

And only 49 per cent of Queenslanders support Ms Gillard's plan for a $1.8 billion flood levy to help rebuild the state, with even 24 per cent of Labor voters opposing the tax.

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2011/02/18/1226008/434035-galaxy-poll-results.jpg

http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/alp-needs-rudds-help-in-queensland/story-fn6ck51p-1226008432402


Now, have a lovely sleep, and await your impending reality when it bites, some time in the morning after logging in and reading this.

;)xx

mellie wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 12:55am:

No, we just got on with things and let her have her day in the sun. Now, have a lovely sleep, and await your impending reality when it bites, some time in the morning after logging in and reading this. ;)xx

We can't wait for the inside scoop. Seeing as you're now writing policies for the Libs - perhaps you've become Abbott's confidante; after all you were forced to report some threads on this forum to the Libs for stating nasty things about Abbott! That must have been devastating for him.

Thanks to you - the Coalition will be able to overturn the government and return to power. They might even add speech writing to your portolio as a reward for your dedicated service.

::)

mantra wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 7:07am:

mellie wrote on Feb 19th, 2011 at 12:55am: No, we just got on with things and let her have her day in the sun. Now, have a lovely sleep, and await your impending reality when it bites, some time in the morning after logging in and reading this. ;)xx We can't wait for the inside scoop. Seeing as you're now writing policies for the Libs - perhaps you've become Abbott's confidante; after all you were forced to report some threads on this forum to the Libs for stating nasty things about Abbott! That must have been devastating for him. Thanks to you - the Coalition will be able to overturn the government and return to power. They might even add speech writing to your portolio as a reward for your dedicated service. ::)

Lol, I wish...  Sorry to disappoint you there Mantra, but I think you know I am a mere media communications student, and still have quite some way to go before I even think about writing policies for a competent Liberal party who I'm certain, are more than capable of writing their own.

Ps- President Borat Obama would like his back now, so if it's not too much trouble, have Shorten put this on his to-do-nothing list.

You know, I should leave my 'scant' resume on Bill Shorten's and Mark Arbibs desk, given they have a knack for picking them.

Latham, Gillard, Rudd.... Oooh the talent!

Are they retiring Peter Garrett?

Looks like they have found a new celebrity politician.


Quote:

FOREIGN Affairs Minister Kevin Rudd said he was considering making Shane Warne an unofficial ambassador for his role in "deepening" the relationship between Australia and Britain.

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/02/13/1226005/345784-kevin-rudd.jpg

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/rudd-sees-political-role-for-warnie/story-fn6bn80a-1226005359132

The time has come!

;D

Australia has no where to go till we root the Aristocracy our of Politics and end the Global Free Market Eugenics Dictatorship.  The Great Aussie Facebook revolution has begun. :)

Whores From The Bowels Of Hell

http://images.smh.com.au/2009/09/15/733226/gillardandbishopcrop-420x0.jpg 8-)

Aristocratic Filth

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2010/02/12/1225829/846469-rudd-abbott.jpg 8-)

Elitist Inbred Traitors
http://www.thepunch.com.au/images/uploads/gillardandcombet.jpg 8-)

Aristocrat Globalist scumbag who wants a carbon price on our head
http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2010/08/28/1225911/129554-bob-brown.jpg 8-)

Another Thug From the dictatorship with Juliar
http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2010/07/27/1225897/738373-julia-gillard.jpg 8-)

http://fluoridationqueensland.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Anna-Bligh.jpg 8-)

Remember this fascist Hag?
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/06/11/belindaneal_wideweb__470x344,0.jpg 8-)

Work Till you drop snobby Pete Costello
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1Qa4aBF3Orc/SjYuIdZr5tI/AAAAAAAAALY/89jtCTvU_gM/s320/howardcostello-blowjob.jpg 8-)

Ted The Toff Baillieu
http://images.theage.com.au/2010/11/18/2051740/495940794-420x0.jpg 8-)

Abbott will be more selective with immigration, will stop the boats and return those arriving illegally in our country currently being kept at the tax-payers expense.

Ordinary Australians (other than the super wealthy) don't stand a chance under a Labor government.

Tony Abbott will not blow the budget or donate irresponsibly for personal business reasons by way of misappropriating foreign aid, the way Labor has,  and to such an extent whereby Australian victims of natural disaster are expected to tax-fund their own charity, despite this charity having already been donated by those ie President Obama, Gates, Opera etc etc etc...and the Royal family too, our government don't wish to talk about.

If it was donated to us, shouldn't we at least be told about it so we may say thank you at least, or is the flood appeal money not really the public's money afterall?

Labor have taken Obamas opportunistic advice, of which is to "Not let a good disaster go to waste"...this and plan to bank-roll their election campaign on charity the public assumed would be going directly towards flood relief, when in fact, they have all intentions of using this flood-tax revenue, coupled with the generosity of secret santas (donors) to restore a gaping big deficit they blew to begin with in readiness for next federal election.

Imagine what we could have done with this money had Labor not been so irresponsible, what would Australia be today?

Perhaps this prospect scares the sh1t out of other developed nations who are hell bent on keeping us down, remaining dependants of the UN and at the mercy of the WTO.


Why were Obamas, the royal family's, amongst other high profile donors flood-donations kept secret?

Flood tax -vrs- ALP campaign funding at the Australian tax-payers expense and ignorance.

Sometimes, ignorance is not bliss.

Yes, we will tax-fund our own flood levy, but where will all the donated funds go?

Or aren't we the mere tax-payer supposed to be asking these sorts of questions?

Think twice!

Charity should begin at home...  however a Gillard government have taken this concept to a whole new sinister level, this and seem to think the charity was intended for them, to bankroll themselves out debt, this and should be used for politically opportunist reasons.

I think Aussies would prefer to have their own kind in power representing them.  Aussies who understand the Magna Carta is non negotiable and welfare is not conditional upon compliance to a fascist dictatorship:)

Prevailing wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 12:57pm:

I think Aussies would prefer to have their own kind in power representing them.  Aussies who understand the Magna Carta is non negotiable and welfare is not conditional upon compliance to a fascist dictatorship:)

In Australia we are in the position to head off the fascist dictatorship driving them from power if we act now preemptively and move against them in street protests and legal action - the day of the liberation of Australian man from the hated Aristocracy is at hand. :)

Prevailing wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 12:57pm:

I think Aussies would prefer to have their own kind in power representing them.  Aussies who understand the Magna Carta is non negotiable and welfare is not conditional upon compliance to a fascist dictatorship:)

Agree, but doing this will take time, and unfortunately, we don't have much of it.

It's a matter of what government should we install to make way for this futuristic possibility...  

We need to buy ourselves some time.

If we install Gillard for another term ... censorship will dismantle any hope of achieving a true democracy.

Of the two, Libs are more transparent, this and have already openly opposed Gillards censorship regime.

It's a start.

It's the best we have for now.

::)

mellie wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 1:27pm:

Prevailing wrote on Feb 19th, 2011 at 12:57pm: I think Aussies would prefer to have their own kind in power representing them.  Aussies who understand the Magna Carta is non negotiable and welfare is not conditional upon compliance to a fascist dictatorship:) Agree, but doing this will take time, and unfortunately, we don't have much of it. It's a matter of what government should we install to make way for this futuristic possibility...   We need to buy ourselves some time.

Both parties are in the hands of the same Aristocratic scum - the only question I ask is after the revolution will it be possible for them to remain in Britain, Ireland or Australia?  I think not they will have to retreat to the US and Canada and take their chances there in a climate increasingly hostile to them there too.   :)

We dont have the luxury of time to wait for some sort of democratic people-powerd revolution, and are faced with having to decide between the better of two evils.

I think Abbott has more of an incentive to do the right thing by Australia, he has children who's own future prospects pendulate on whether or not "dad gets it right".

The decisions Abbott makes when he gets in, will be the most important decisions made in Australian history, as we are on the dawn of a new era, global political climate, world order.

Think back, think of the worlds worst notorious and ruthless dictators, and ask yourself, did they have lineage to concern about in the event things went pear shaped?

Hitler didn't have children either.

It gives them an edge of unaccountability, invincibility, not having to worry about others they love suffering tomorrow as a result of the decisions they make today.

mellie wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 1:41pm:

We dont have the luxury of time to wait for some sort of democratic people-powerd revolution, and are faced with having to decide between the better of two evils. I think Abbott has more of an incentive to do the right thing by Australia, he has children who's own future prospects pendulate on whether or not "dad gets it right". The decisions Abbott makes when he gets in, will be the most important decisions made in Australian history, as we are on the dawn of a new era, global political climate, world order. Think back, think of the worlds worst notorious and ruthless dictators, and ask yourself, did they have lineage to concern about in the event things went pear shaped? Hitler didn't have children either. It gives them an edge of unaccountability, invincibility, not having to worry about others they love suffering tomorrow as a result of the decisions they make today.

Abbott is Aristocratic scum who will try to bury us if he comes to power, we have no choice but to head them off now.  The momentum is growing rapidly in the UK, Ireland and here - the Aristocracy will fall here before it collapses soon after in the US their days are numbered. :)

Prevailing wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 1:12pm:

Prevailing wrote on Feb 19th, 2011 at 12:57pm: I think Aussies would prefer to have their own kind in power representing them.  Aussies who understand the Magna Carta is non negotiable and welfare is not conditional upon compliance to a fascist dictatorship:) In Australia we are in the position to head off the fascist dictatorship driving them from power if we act now preemptively and move against them in street protests and legal action - the day of the liberation of Australian man from the hated Aristocracy is at hand. :)

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you would have to excuse my ignorance but you are very long winded so I will ask you outright..

you have given us a list of whom you dont want to govern us..

so who did you have in mind??


who is your choice to run our liberated nation??

Prevailing wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 1:47pm:

mellie wrote on Feb 19th, 2011 at 1:41pm: We dont have the luxury of time to wait for some sort of democratic people-powerd revolution, and are faced with having to decide between the better of two evils. I think Abbott has more of an incentive to do the right thing by Australia, he has children who's own future prospects pendulate on whether or not "dad gets it right". The decisions Abbott makes when he gets in, will be the most important decisions made in Australian history, as we are on the dawn of a new era, global political climate, world order. Think back, think of the worlds worst notorious and ruthless dictators, and ask yourself, did they have lineage to concern about in the event things went pear shaped? Hitler didn't have children either. It gives them an edge of unaccountability, invincibility, not having to worry about others they love suffering tomorrow as a result of the decisions they make today. Abbott is Aristocratic scum who will try to bury us if he comes to power, we have no choice but to head them off now.  The momentum is growing rapidly in the UK, Ireland and here - the Aristocracy will fall here before it collapses soon after in the US their days are numbered. :)

But he is the better of the two scums we have ...furthermore, Abbott is not an aristocrat, I think he's the first leader who ran for PM who had a household mortgage.

Turnbull is aristocratic scum, likewise with Bronwyn Bishop, and even Costello to a degree...

Howard and Abbott are both staunch monarchist,(true liberals)  this and oppose republicanism, of which the elitists are trying to pass.

Abbott might even be the last true liberal battler, unless he can somehow impress his values onto another coming up through the ranks on the conservative side.

The new leadership is being forged now in the trials of the liberation struggle as it always is in these cases. :)  The current dictatorship has got to go. :)

In fact, from what I hear, Abbott is more of a monarchist than the Queen herself these days, her having loosened her values and caved in to political fund-raising under the guise of flood relief, by way of making secret donations to the ALP.

Monarchism isn't about loving the Queen, it's about sovereignty and independence.

It's about grass-roots democracy, if only the royal family would think of this before donating to fascist governments.

mellie wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 1:53pm:

Prevailing wrote on Feb 19th, 2011 at 1:47pm: mellie wrote on Feb 19th, 2011 at 1:41pm: We dont have the luxury of time to wait for some sort of democratic people-powerd revolution, and are faced with having to decide between the better of two evils. I think Abbott has more of an incentive to do the right thing by Australia, he has children who's own future prospects pendulate on whether or not "dad gets it right". The decisions Abbott makes when he gets in, will be the most important decisions made in Australian history, as we are on the dawn of a new era, global political climate, world order. Think back, think of the worlds worst notorious and ruthless dictators, and ask yourself, did they have lineage to concern about in the event things went pear shaped? Hitler didn't have children either. It gives them an edge of unaccountability, invincibility, not having to worry about others they love suffering tomorrow as a result of the decisions they make today. Abbott is Aristocratic scum who will try to bury us if he comes to power, we have no choice but to head them off now.  The momentum is growing rapidly in the UK, Ireland and here - the Aristocracy will fall here before it collapses soon after in the US their days are numbered. :) But he is the better of the two scums we have ...furthermore, Abbott is not an aristocrat, I think he's the first leader who ran for PM who had a household mortgage. Turnbull is aristocratic scum, likewise with Bronwyn Bishop, and even Costello to a degree... Howard and Abbott are both staunch monarchist,(true liberals)  this and oppose republicanism, of which the elitists are trying to pass. Abbott might even be the last true liberal battler, unless he can somehow impress his values onto another coming up through the ranks on the conservative side.

I  do not share the same reductionist thinking as the dictatorship that we are willing to settle for the better of two scums and no Abbott is not a diamond in the rough he is a fascist dictator. I am willing to settle for having the global dictatorships ass handed to me on a platter.:)

This is why Howard chose Abbott, and didn't want Costello, (as clever as he is with economics) becoming leader of the Liberal party, because he knew, Costellos decadent self-serving elitist process would eventually corrupt his own process, this and reflect poorly on Howards own political history, his legacy.. if he allowed him to fill his shoes.

Turnbull is another elitist.

Abbott is a grass-roots Liberal, this and our last chance to be our own nation, with liberties and freedom's unique to Australia.

Labor want us sold off.

mellie wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 2:06pm:

This is why Howard chose Abbott, and didn't want Costello, (as clever as he is with economics) becoming leader of the Liberal party, because he knew, Costellos decadent self-serving elitist process would eventually corrupt his own process, this and reflect poorly on Howards own political history, his legacy.. if he allowed him to fill his shoes. Turnbull is another elitist. Abbott is a grass-roots Liberal, this and our last chance to be our own nation, with liberties and freedom's unique to Australia. Labor want us sold off.

Howard sold Australia out the day he put dogs on the wharves - he is nothing to Australia - voted out of his own seat in disgrace.  Lets not try to rehabilitate that bastard. :)

Do you read many political biographies?

It's a good starting point.

:)

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The older the better.... read every Australian party leaders biography you can,  the official, and unofficial...(they are all relative) and lend much insight into our nations political landscape.

The good, and the bad...

:)

Prevailing wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 2:12pm:

mellie wrote on Feb 19th, 2011 at 2:06pm: This is why Howard chose Abbott, and didn't want Costello, (as clever as he is with economics) becoming leader of the Liberal party, because he knew, Costellos decadent self-serving elitist process would eventually corrupt his own process, this and reflect poorly on Howards own political history, his legacy.. if he allowed him to fill his shoes. Turnbull is another elitist. Abbott is a grass-roots Liberal, this and our last chance to be our own nation, with liberties and freedom's unique to Australia. Labor want us sold off. Howard sold Australia out the day he put dogs on the wharves - he is nothing to Australia - voted out of his own seat in disgrace.  Lets not try to rehabilitate that bastard. :)

History will record him as one of australias great PM'S    ;)

FRED. wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 2:15pm:

Prevailing wrote on Feb 19th, 2011 at 2:12pm: mellie wrote on Feb 19th, 2011 at 2:06pm: This is why Howard chose Abbott, and didn't want Costello, (as clever as he is with economics) becoming leader of the Liberal party, because he knew, Costellos decadent self-serving elitist process would eventually corrupt his own process, this and reflect poorly on Howards own political history, his legacy.. if he allowed him to fill his shoes. Turnbull is another elitist. Abbott is a grass-roots Liberal, this and our last chance to be our own nation, with liberties and freedom's unique to Australia. Labor want us sold off. Howard sold Australia out the day he put dogs on the wharves - he is nothing to Australia - voted out of his own seat in disgrace.  Lets not try to rehabilitate that bastard. :) History will record him as one of australias great PM'S    ;)

Only if history lies - but he will remain a Bastard and a rodent. :)

Prevailing wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 2:18pm:

FRED. wrote on Feb 19th, 2011 at 2:15pm: Prevailing wrote on Feb 19th, 2011 at 2:12pm: mellie wrote on Feb 19th, 2011 at 2:06pm: This is why Howard chose Abbott, and didn't want Costello, (as clever as he is with economics) becoming leader of the Liberal party, because he knew, Costellos decadent self-serving elitist process would eventually corrupt his own process, this and reflect poorly on Howards own political history, his legacy.. if he allowed him to fill his shoes. Turnbull is another elitist. Abbott is a grass-roots Liberal, this and our last chance to be our own nation, with liberties and freedom's unique to Australia. Labor want us sold off. Howard sold Australia out the day he put dogs on the wharves - he is nothing to Australia - voted out of his own seat in disgrace.  Lets not try to rehabilitate that bastard. :) History will record him as one of australias great PM'S    ;) Only if history lies - but he will remain a Bastard and a rodent. :)

YOU will see it only takes 10 years for persepitions to change

;)

The older I get, the more I realise Howard was possibly the best PM our nations ever seen.

He put us on the map, made us the fastest growing economy in the developed world we are today.

And quite a few developed others are nervous, and know we have much to offer, resource wise, our only down fall is water.

Clever economics coupled with a genuine vested interest in Australians welfare worked a treat.

This is why Howard was in for 12 years, and is why Rudd didn't even make a term when the public suddenly realised they made the wrong decision.

And they are even more disappointed with Gillard, who is just another EU sock-puppet anyway.
::)

Playing bad cop worse cop does not make me hearken back to how good I had it under that rodent Howard, the Globalist dictatorship has got to go. :)

I find it difficult to agree with hitting a guy on $50,000 with a levy to support a state (and in some cases individuals) who have not bothered to take out insurance. Doing the calculating on the ATO web site I find that this guy would take home about $800 a week - he may be supporting a wife and paying off a mortgage.

beware wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 2:58pm:

I find it difficult to agree with hitting a guy on $50,000 with a levy to support a state (and in some cases individuals) who have not bothered to take out insurance. Doing the calculating on the ATO web site I find that this guy would take home about $800 a week - he may be supporting a wife and paying off a mortgage.

< APPLAUSE >

Labor today secured the support of Tasmanian independent Andrew Wilkie for the $1.8 billion levy after agreeing to restore $50 million in proposed education cuts.

Mr Wilkie's support for the controversial levy ensures it will pass the House of Representatives, but the government needs Senator Xenophon's support in the upper house before it can implement the charge from July 1.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/gillard-eyes-flood-levy-deal-to-force-disaster-insurance-on-states/story-fn59niix-1226008074315

So where is Jules going to get her extra money. If you look at the Australian Learning and Teaching Council website you will see that cuts to this program will not be missed as it is nothing more than a grandeiose scheme paying directors millions of tax dollars for NO benefit.

mellie wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 1:41pm:

We dont have the luxury of time to wait for some sort of democratic people-powerd revolution, and are faced with having to decide between the better of two evils. I think Abbott has more of an incentive to do the right thing by Australia, he has children who's own future prospects pendulate on whether or not "dad gets it right". The decisions Abbott makes when he gets in, will be the most important decisions made in Australian history, as we are on the dawn of a new era, global political climate, world order. Think back, think of the worlds worst notorious and ruthless dictators, and ask yourself, did they have lineage to concern about in the event things went pear shaped? Hitler didn't have children either. It gives them an edge of unaccountability, invincibility, not having to worry about others they love suffering tomorrow as a result of the decisions they make today.

I dont think there is a future for the progeny of John Howard and Tony Abbott in Australia after the dictatorship collapses - it will be "unsustainable" for them - Ted the Toff yes because to his credit he has done absolutely nothing sice he got in office and thats how we like it - a nice timid compliant Government that does what it is told and shuts up. :)

The member for Blair in February 2010 spent $1.3 million on printing letterheads, envelopes and other stationary.

He then prints out a monthly newsletter and has it distributed to every house in Ipswich and all other surrounding areas.

February 2011 Mr Neauman pays a company that works from a residential house to distribute the full colour envelopes with his full colour letterhead with double sided printing. Australia post also put the same envelopes in every private mail box.

2 times in the 1 week we received his special looking envelope filled with garbage of how good his political party is doing.

From speaking to him, all printing was done in Canberra.

Pitty these funds couldn't be used for flood relief in his own electorate.

MrBafner wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 12:12am:

The member for Blair in February 2010 spent $1.3 million on printing letterheads, envelopes and other stationary. He then prints out a monthly newsletter and has it distributed to every house in Ipswich and all other surrounding areas. February 2011 Mr Neauman pays a company that works from a residential house to distribute the full colour envelopes with his full colour letterhead with double sided printing. Australia post also put the same envelopes in every private mail box. 2 times in the 1 week we received his special looking envelope filled with garbage of how good his political party is doing. From speaking to him, all printing was done in Canberra. Pitty these funds couldn't be used for flood relief in his own electorate.

BY BUYING 1.3 million sheets of personalised letterhead in one hit, Federal MP Shayne Neumann maintains he is saving taxpayers thousands of dollars.

Yesterday Mr Neumann defended his big spending on stationery in the first half of this year, saying he was doing his job and “communicating with constituents”.

Media reports over the weekend revealed that the Labor backbencher had greatly surpassed Opposition Leader Tony Abbott – who purchased a mere 491,000 sheets of personalised letterhead before the Federal election – in his buying spree.

Mr Neumann said his “printing and communication” costs of $106,314 were within parliamentary entitlement.
“There’s nothing unethical and it’s entirely lawful,” he said.

“I have done nothing wrong.

http://www.qt.com.au/story/2010/12/06/mp-orders-big-to-save-taxpayer-dollars-on-13mil-le/




IT HAS been dubbed "toner-gate" - a three-week, $300,000 splurge on printer ink by Liberal MPs to stock up on office supplies for the pending federal election.

After being told in September 2009 that a strict finance cap would be introduced from October 1 that year, Opposition members ordered $267,288 worth of printer cartridge toner, according to documents obtained through Freedom of Information.

With the election almost a year away, some Liberal figures claimed they were told by party HQ to be "ruthless" ordering taxpayer-funded supplies ahead of the campaign.

One Liberal MP, West Australian Don Randall, ordered $25,414.68 of toner cartridges for his office printer, while South Australian Patrick Secker spent $21,797.74.

Deputy Speaker Peter Slipper spent $19,280.83 while ex-Liberal Michael Johnson ordered $18,640.86 for his office - enough to fund a marginal seat's campaign.

Despite its parliamentary majority of 18, Labor MPs spent $127,488 in the same period - less than half what the Coalition spent.



http://www.news.com.au/national/liberals-spend-300000-in-three-weeks-on-printer-ink/story-e6frfkvr-1226001144233#ixzz1ERHYwVlr

MrBafner wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 12:12am:

The member for Blair in February 2010 spent $1.3 million on printing letterheads, envelopes and other stationary. He then prints out a monthly newsletter and has it distributed to every house in Ipswich and all other surrounding areas. February 2011 Mr Neauman pays a company that works from a residential house to distribute the full colour envelopes with his full colour letterhead with double sided printing. Australia post also put the same envelopes in every private mail box. 2 times in the 1 week we received his special looking envelope filled with garbage of how good his political party is doing. From speaking to him, all printing was done in Canberra. Pitty these funds couldn't be used for flood relief in his own electorate.

hey I also have been getting one of these color brochures from a newly elected Labor member with all the usual gaff in it.. and pictures of himself of course. adnauseum..

do you mean to tell me we are paying for all that bin fodder..to the tune of over a million.??????thats wicked its like junk mail its clogging up the environment, does anyone see the irony in this? it costs a fortune to go to the dump these days.why because they keep fillinf up

and we have to not only put up with these ego trips we have to pay for it.
in the millions.

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 20^th, 2011 at 6:37am:

MrBafner wrote on Feb 20th, 2011 at 12:12am: The member for Blair in February 2010 spent $1.3 million on printing letterheads, envelopes and other stationary. He then prints out a monthly newsletter and has it distributed to every house in Ipswich and all other surrounding areas. February 2011 Mr Neauman pays a company that works from a residential house to distribute the full colour envelopes with his full colour letterhead with double sided printing. Australia post also put the same envelopes in every private mail box. 2 times in the 1 week we received his special looking envelope filled with garbage of how good his political party is doing. From speaking to him, all printing was done in Canberra. Pitty these funds couldn't be used for flood relief in his own electorate. BY BUYING 1.3 million sheets of personalised letterhead in one hit, Federal MP Shayne Neumann maintains he is saving taxpayers thousands of dollars. Yesterday Mr Neumann defended his big spending on stationery in the first half of this year, saying he was doing his job and “communicating with constituents”. Media reports over the weekend revealed that the Labor backbencher had greatly surpassed Opposition Leader Tony Abbott – who purchased a mere 491,000 sheets of personalised letterhead before the Federal election – in his buying spree. Mr Neumann said his “printing and communication” costs of $106,314 were within parliamentary entitlement. “There’s nothing unethical and it’s entirely lawful,” he said. “I have done nothing wrong. http://www.qt.com.au/story/2010/12/06/mp-orders-big-to-save-taxpayer-dollars-on-13mil-le/ IT HAS been dubbed "toner-gate" - a three-week, $300,000 splurge on printer ink by Liberal MPs to stock up on office supplies for the pending federal election. After being told in September 2009 that a strict finance cap would be introduced from October 1 that year, Opposition members ordered $267,288 worth of printer cartridge toner, according to documents obtained through Freedom of Information. With the election almost a year away, some Liberal figures claimed they were told by party HQ to be "ruthless" ordering taxpayer-funded supplies ahead of the campaign. One Liberal MP, West Australian Don Randall, ordered $25,414.68 of toner cartridges for his office printer, while South Australian Patrick Secker spent $21,797.74. Deputy Speaker Peter Slipper spent $19,280.83 while ex-Liberal Michael Johnson ordered $18,640.86 for his office - enough to fund a marginal seat's campaign. Despite its parliamentary majority of 18, Labor MPs spent $127,488 in the same period - less than half what the Coalition spent. http://www.news.com.au/national/liberals-spend-300000-in-three-weeks-on-printer-ink/story-e6frfkvr-1226001144233#ixzz1ERHYwVlr

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somewhere somehow something needs to be done about this..no one in their right mind can think this is okay.

havent we had enough appalling waste and bad ideas already just looking at NSW makes me sick to my stomach... these people are out of control..they know there is no accountability in govt.neither side has anything to be proud of as far as I am concerned.. I get sick of hearing how we are taken for bunnies.

'Within parliamentary entitlement' -


A line rolled out whenever an MP is caught with his hand in the till.

They are a disgusting set of individuals.

No different to Swan upgrading all his staff to the tune of $70k to first class international airfares at OUR EXPENSE.

Disgusting.
Party of the people? Give me a break.

Nick Xenophons bribe cut to remain a secret, but Gill Frost insists money destined to help with the roll out of her flood levy will cover it...

(No wonder she doesn't want Abbott snooping about her treasury)

What was that about transparency again Gillard?

So much for a rainbow cabinet, it's just turned to sludge!


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THE $1.8 billion flood levy hangs on the decision of one South Australian senator. Independent Andrew Wilkie has "begrudgingly" agreed to back the levy, so the Bill can pass the Lower House, after $50 million the Government had proposed cutting from higher education was reinstated. "What I've ensured is that this is a good policy, or at least a better policy," Mr Wilkie said. Prime Minister Julia Gillard did not reveal where extra cuts would be made, merely saying the cost of the deals would "be offset in the federal Budget in May". Nick Xenophon is the only potential stumbling block in the Upper House, after the Greens and Family First senator Steve Fielding agreed to back the Bill. Senator Xenophon wants states made to have disaster insurance so there won't be future arguments about how to pay for recovery.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/nick-xenophon-support-crucial-to-flood-levy/story-e6frf7l6-1226008365759

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