I am not what you would call a religious person. I guess I'm an agnostic - how the hell would I know whether there's a God or not? Rationally, I can't accept the supernatural . . .but then, what's rational and what's not?
But one area I do have a quasi-religious belief about is that I think, as the highest order (?) of life, we have a duty to care for the animal world, or the lesser beings if you like. That doesn't mean I am against eating meat, only that I believe in the most humane slaughter possible.
The ABC program "Asia Pacific" a couple of days ago had a story on
a new industry commissioned report which has uncovered multiple animal welfare concerns for Australian cattle exported to Indonesia.
The RSPCA says cattle are subjected to significant levels of pain, fear and distress during their handling and inhumane slaughter. Indonesia is the largest importer of Australian cattle with over 700 thousand animals transported each year.
I won't go into gory details . . .you might be having lunch.

What are we talking about? . . . Of course the muslims. Now they certainly wouldn't call themselves agnostics. In fact it's probably a death sentence to be one in certain muslim countries.
But if they want our cattle, can't we put some strict conditions on the sale . . . "for God's sake"!

The abhorrent live animal trade was revived under the Howard government. It took years to stop it - but now that it's back - it looks like it's here to stay.

The protestors and Animal rights groups fought so hard to have this trade abolished, but we have turned into a greedy, callous nation who will do anything for a buck. Sadly not enough people care anymore. Peter Garrett who should be trying to stop this inhumane trade - has rarely mentioned it.

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That doesn't mean I am against eating meat, only that I believe in the most humane slaughter possible.

The Germans developed some good techniques a while back.

I can't say I'm surprised at the lack of interest in this issue. What can one expect in a country where putting a cat in a washing machine is a good BBQ joke.

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2011 at 1:13pm:

What are we talking about? . . . Of course the muslims. Now they certainly wouldn't call themselves agnostics. In fact it's probably a death sentence to be one in certain muslim countries. But if they want our cattle, can't we put some strict conditions on the sale . . . "for God's sake"!

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What countries does Australia export live cattle and sheep to? Sheep to: Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, Jordan, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, Egypt, Israel, Lebanon, territories administered by Palestine, Ukraine, Malaysia, Singapore, Mauritius, New Zealand, Vanuatu, Brunei, China, Japan, USA, Mexico, Argentina, Chile, Philippines Cattle (including breeding stock) to: Qatar, Egypt, Israel, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Jordan, territories administered by Palestine, Mauritius, Kuwait, Mexico, Hong Kong, China, India, Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Philippines, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, New Caledonia, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Singapore, USA and Russia. http://www.daff.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/435281/live-trade-faqs.pdf

Sorry to "rain on your rant"

mantra wrote on Jan 29^th, 2011 at 1:21pm:

The abhorrent live animal trade was revived under the Howard government. It took years to stop it - but now that it's back - it looks like it's here to stay. The protestors and Animal rights groups fought so hard to have this trade abolished, but we have turned into a greedy, callous nation who will do anything for a buck. Sadly not enough people care anymore. Peter Garrett who should be trying to stop this inhumane trade - has rarely mentioned it.

Yes mantra....but the fact is, Australia does export a lot of beef....since we are one of the few countries in the world that is still BSE free....and muslim dietary restrictions require the animals to be killed under a particular method (Halal)......So we either have to kill ALL cattle and sheep under those rules (which isn't really a problem under our laws, or RSPCA rules) OR we have to transport the animals alive, so they can be killed in the client country

Buzz, a few moments of attention - you do have something of an attention span don't you - would have led you to the realisation that the story was about the huge exports to Indonesia, where the treatment is less than humane. AND it is a muslim country isn't it?
AND the story came from YOUR ABC!

I’m not surprised there is lack of interest in this cruel method of transportation of live living entities either, considering Australia’s appalling justice system or should I say NO justice system when people can torture animals and be let go with a smack on the wrist and $500 fine.

Australia has turned into a cruel pathetic country with little humane moral values for other living things.

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2011 at 1:13pm:

The RSPCA says cattle are subjected to significant levels of pain...

Yet the RSPCA is prepared to do nothing about the method of slaughtering animals in order to conform with halal demands. Sorry, the RSPCA is a thoroughly discredited organisation with blinkers on.

While we're on the subject of animal welfare ...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkW4oPzcXp4&feature=player_embedded#



A Canadian government taskforce has been appointed to investigate the slaughter of 100 husky dogs used during the 2010 Winter Olympics, as well as the sled-dog industry.

The dogs, which pulled tourist sleds in the Canadian ski resort of Whistler, were reportedly killed by a tourism company worker using a shotgun and a knife.

Injured dogs tried to escape and one survived to crawl from a mass grave a day later.

"No creature should ever have to suffer in the manner that has been reported, and we want to ensure that nothing like this ever happens again in our province," British Columbia Premier Gordon Campbell said in a statement on Wednesday.

The province appointed a panel headed by a veterinarian to investigate the two-day slaughter last April.

A criminal investigation was announced on Monday by Canada's national police force and the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

The dogs reportedly were killed because business slumped in the two months following the Games and they were no longer needed by tourism company Outdoor Adventures, which sold dog-sled rides to tourists

http://www.theage.com.au/environment/animals/canada-to-investigate-husky-dog-slaughter-20110203-1af2s.html

Another appalling story. I can't comprehend things like this any more than I can comprehend the universe.

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 31^st, 2011 at 1:19pm:

I can't say I'm surprised at the lack of interest in this issue. What can one expect in a country where putting a cat in a washing machine is a good BBQ joke.

I'm sure the neo-con Right would love to join you in a bit of "muslim bashing". There is nothing they like better since it makes them feel better about themselves.
They won't join this thread though. Animal welfare is a bit too "lefty" for their liking and having farmers earning export dollars is certainly not something they would object to. It's all about the money after all.  

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 31^st, 2011 at 2:29pm:

...the story was about the huge exports to Indonesia, where the treatment is less than humane. AND it is a muslim country isn't it? AND the story came from YOUR ABC!

A former Tasmanian dairy farmer is accused of cutting off the tails off more than 100 cows tails using a cruel and painful method.

Alistair Paul Nicholls appeared in the Burnie Magistrates Court today, pleading not guilty to 108 charges of causing pain to an animal.

It is alleged the incidents took place at Woolnorth in far north-west Tasmania during August and September last year.

Crown Prosecutor Cindy McLean said Nicholls' method of removal contravened laws on animal welfare.

Tail docking of cows is against the law in Tasmania, unless it is performed by a veterinarian using anaesthetic.

Nicholls now lives in Western Australia.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/02/23/3147029.htm?section=justin

Irish racehorses led to slaughter as recession bitesBy Rebecca Morelle

BBC News

Trainer Tom Hogan watches his racehorses as they are put through their paces on the gallops.

He nods with approval as they thunder past, their coats glistening in the morning sunshine.

But back in the yard, it is a different story: row upon row of stables stand empty.

In a few years, he has gone from having 80 horses to just 25 in full-time training.

Like many trainers, he has had to bear the brunt of a problem that has swept through the Irish Republic's racing industry.

Celtic Tiger

Once only affordable to the wealthy few, owning a racehorse suddenly became possible for a far greater number during Ireland's boom times.


The number of thoroughbreds increased during the boom To keep up with this new demand, thoroughbreds - a breed of horse used specifically for racing - were being produced at an unprecedented rate: between 2000 and 2007, the number of registered foals increased from 8,793 to 12,633.

But these horses are expensive, costing approximately 17,000 euros (£15,000) a year to keep.

And when Ireland plunged into one of the deepest recessions to hit the eurozone, they became a luxury very few could afford.

Mr Hogan, who is based in Nenagh, County Tipperary, explains: "Quite a lot of those horses would have been owned by syndicates - basically blocklayers, carpenters, electricians - people involved in the big property boom. And they just disappeared overnight."

Suddenly he was left with horses, but with no money coming in from their owners to pay for them.

It has been a very difficult time, he says. Some of these horses have had to be exported, others retrained, and a few he has kept on himself. Some, though, have had to be put down.

Growth industry

The loss of healthy thoroughbreds has become a harsh reality of this economic crisis.

And abattoirs, where horses are slaughtered for their meat for human consumption, have become a growth industry.

In 2008, there was just one in the Republic of Ireland, but today there are five.

Last year, 9,790 horses were killed in them. Of these, the BBC has learnt that 4,618 were thoroughbreds.

But this is not the whole picture. Figures are not available for the number of horses that have ended up in Ireland's 40 registered knacker's yards.

Shane O'Dwyer, from the Irish Thoroughbred Breeders' Association (ITBA), acknowledges that there was over-breeding at the height of the Celtic Tiger boom but he believes for many owners, putting horses down was the responsible thing to do.

"We said when horses came to the end of their time or when there was no use to them, there should be euthanasia, voluntary euthanasia… rather than leaving the horse out in the field to be a welfare case."

Equine welfare

But racehorses are the tip of a much larger equine welfare problem in Ireland.


Animal sanctuaries have been taking in growing numbers of horses At the ISPCA's animal rescue centre in Keenagh, County Longford, they are struggling to cope with the numbers of horses they have had to take in.

"We're seeing every shape and size, from little ponies right up to cobs and draught horses," says Conor Dowling, the ISPCA's chief inspector.

"So far this year, our inspectors have taken in nearly as many equines as we did in the entire year of 2010."

He says that all sections of the equine community were irresponsible.

"We have a serious problem here and we need to find a solution. We all appreciate money is tight in every area of the country, but this situation involves living creatures and we can't allow this to go on."

No easy solution

The ISPCA has suggested a mass cull may be needed to drive Irish horse numbers back down to a manageable size.

Horse Racing Ireland
It has also called for better regulation across the industry.

But Brian Kavanagh, chief executive of Horse Racing Ireland, says regulating breeding is not the answer for thoroughbreds.

He says: "If somebody wants to breed a horse, it's very, very difficult to stop them. Everybody looked at the idea of regulation and the reality is the market is regulating it now but it's regulating it in a very, very severe and harsh manner. "

Many, like Tom Hogan, think that more money needs to be pumped into racing through raising betting tax.

Mr Kavanagh agrees: "All other racing jurisdictions around the world are funded by a direct link with betting.

"We would be very supportive of that. We've been lobbying for some time, but the devil is in the detail as to how it's actually worked out but it's definitely a positive development."

For now, though, it seems that economics will continue to dictate the fate of Ireland's racehorses.

The question is whether anything will be put in place to prevent such over-breeding from happening again.

See the Doco "Earthlings" on YouTube in regards to Animal Cruelty.


I can only say this: "There will come a day, that the (Green) Militaries of the world will jilt Politics and embrace their fellow (Green) Conservationists in 'protecting' the Children of a Lesser God, known as Animals. You could say, they will protect the 'UnderDog', against the bullying by humanity. Even now the African Rangers kill Poachers on site, but even this is a losing battle. We all know 'Western' Politics dominates any Military activity, although the Fijian Military has indeed jilted Politics as a dominant factor over its future.
....there will come a day, when the Bolivians will show the world the true way of Military 'compassion'."

until then, more species are made extinct
and more of our imagination dies.
:-[ :( >:(