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Message started by freediver on Jan 16th, 2011 at 9:05pm

Title: Islam and camel urine
Post by freediver on Jan 16th, 2011 at 9:05pm
Abu, why is the urine of Bedouin camels better?

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/83423

Principles of Fiqh » Jurisprudence and Islamic Rulings » Customs and traditions » Medicine and medical treatments

I hope that you can provide me with a scientific answer – if such knowledge is available – about the saheeh hadeeth about drinking camel’s urine. May Allaah reward you.

Praise be to Allaah.

The hadeeth referred to by the questioner is a saheeh hadeeth, in which it says that some people came to Madeenah and fell sick. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told them to drink the milk and urine of camels, and they recovered and grew fat. In the story it also says that they apostatized and killed the camel-herder, then the Muslims caught them and executed them. Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2855) and Muslim (1671).

With regard to the health benefits of drinking the milk and urine of camels, they are many, and they are well known to the earlier generations of medical science and they have been proven by modern scientific research.

Ibn al-Qayyim said:

The author of al-Qanoon (the Canon) – i.e. the doctor Ibn Seena (Avicenna) – said:

The most beneficial of urine is the urine of Bedouin camels which are called najeeb. End quote.

Zaad al-Ma’aad (4/47, 48).

In the Emirati newspaper al-Ittihaad (issue no. 11172, Sunday 6 Muharram 1427 AH/5 February 2006) it says:

One of the most important things for which camels are raised is their milk, which is efficacious in treating many illnesses, including hepatitis, and the digestive system in general, various types of cancer and other diseases.

In an article by Dr Ahlaam al-‘Awadi, which was published in al-Da’wah magazine, issue no. 1938, 25 Safar 1425 AH/15 April 2004 CE, about the diseases which can be treated with camel’s milk, as proven by experience, it says that there are many benefits in camel’s milk. There follows some of what was said in the article by Dr. Ahlaam:

Camel’s urine is efficacious in the treatment of skin diseases such as ringworm, tinea and abscesses, sores that may appear on the body and hair, and dry and wet ulcers. Camel’s urine brings the secondary benefits of making the hair lustrous and thick, and removing dandruff from the scalp. Camel’s milk is also beneficial in treating hepatitis, even if it has reached an advanced stage where medicine is unable to treat it. End quote.

In the al-Jazeerah al-Sa’oodiyyah newspaper (issue no. 10132, Rabee’ al-Awwal 1421 AH) there is a quotation from the book Al-Ibl Asraar wa i’jaaz (The camel: secrets and wonders) by Darmaan ibn ‘Abd al-‘Azeez Aal Darmaan and Sanad ibn Mutlaq al-Subay’i:

As for camel’s urine, the book suggests that it has numerous uses which are beneficial for man. This is indicated by the Prophetic texts and confirmed by modern science … Scientific experiments have proven that camel’s urine has a lethal effect on the germs that cause many diseases.

Among the uses of camel’s urine, many women use it to wash their hair, to make it longer, and to make it lighter and more lustrous. Camel’s urine is also efficacious in the treatment of swelling of the liver and other diseases such as abscesses, sores that appear on the body and toothache, and for washing eyes. End quote.

Prof. Dr. ‘Abd al-Fattaah Mahmoud Idrees says: With regard to the benefits of camel’s urine in treating disease, Ibn Seena said in his Qanoon: The most beneficial of urine is the urine of the Bedouin camels known as najeeb. Camel’s urine is beneficial in treating al-hazaaz, and it was said that al-hazzaz is a pain in the heart caused by anger and so on. Camel’s urine, especially the urine of a young she-camel – is used as a cleansing substance to wash wounds and sores, to make the hair grow, to strengthen and thicken it and to prevent it falling out, and it is used to treat diseases of the scalp and dandruff. In a Master’s thesis by an engineer in applied chemistry, Muhammad Awhaaj Muhammad, that was submitted to the faculty of applied chemistry in the al-Jazeerah university in Sudan, and approved by the Dean of science and postgraduate studies in the university in November 1998 CE, entitled A Study of the Chemical Composition and Some Medical Uses of the Urine of Arabian Camels, Muhammad Awhaaj says:

Laboratory tests indicate that camel’s urine contains high levels of potassium, albuminous proteins, and small amounts of uric acid, sodium and creatine.

In this study, he explained that what prompted him to study the medicinal properties of camel’s urine was what he had seen of some tribesmen drinking this urine whenever they suffered digestion problems. He sought the help of some doctors in studying camel’s urine. They brought a number of patients and prescribed this urine for them, for a period of two months. Their bodies recovered from what they had been suffering from, which proves the efficacy of camel’s urine in treating some diseases of the digestive system.

It also proves that this urine is useful in preventing hair loss. He says:

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jan 17th, 2011 at 1:55pm

freediver wrote on Jan 16th, 2011 at 9:05pm:
Abu, why is the urine of Bedouin camels better?

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/83423

Principles of Fiqh » Jurisprudence and Islamic Rulings » Customs and traditions » Medicine and medical treatments


Camel’s urine is efficacious in the treatment of skin diseases such as ringworm, tinea and abscesses, sores that may appear on the body and hair, and dry and wet ulcers. Camel’s urine brings the secondary benefits of making the hair lustrous and thick, and removing dandruff from the scalp. Camel’s milk is also beneficial in treating hepatitis, even if it has reached an advanced stage where medicine is unable to treat it. End quote.

In the al-Jazeerah al-Sa’oodiyyah newspaper (issue no. 10132, Rabee’ al-Awwal 1421 AH) there is a quotation from the book Al-Ibl Asraar wa i’jaaz (The camel: secrets and wonders) by Darmaan ibn ‘Abd al-‘Azeez Aal Darmaan and Sanad ibn Mutlaq al-Subay’i:

As for camel’s urine, the book suggests that it has numerous uses which are beneficial for man. This is indicated by the Prophetic texts and confirmed by modern science … Scientific experiments have proven that camel’s urine has a lethal effect on the germs that cause many diseases.

Among the uses of camel’s urine, many women use it to wash their hair, to make it longer, and to make it lighter and more lustrous. Camel’s urine is also efficacious in the treatment of swelling of the liver and other diseases such as abscesses, sores that appear on the body and toothache, and for washing eyes. End quote.

It also proves that this urine is useful in preventing hair loss. He says:


Outstanding!!!
I cannot wait to see bottles of camel pee on the shelves in Woolies where Pantene used to sit, knowing of course that Pantene doesn't work.
And I am sure that Abu has had much success in this valued natural product clearing up his worms and headlice. ;D

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by Yadda on Jan 17th, 2011 at 3:46pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 17th, 2011 at 1:55pm:
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Outstanding!!!
I cannot wait to see bottles of camel pee on the shelves in Woolies where Pantene used to sit, knowing of course that Pantene doesn't work.
And I am sure that Abu has had much success in this valued natural product clearing up his worms and headlice. ;D




What is even better, is that camel urine must be already halal [but only if it comes from Arabian camels, of course].
As it has already been given the endorsement of Mohammed, within ISLAMIC texts.



Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by abu_rashid on Jan 17th, 2011 at 4:24pm

Quote:
Abu, why is the urine of Bedouin camels better?


Never said it was. Perhaps you're mistaking me with Ibn Sina? Yes I know the resemblance is striking, but I assure you, I am not he.

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by freediver on Jan 17th, 2011 at 8:41pm
I realise you did not write that. I thought maybe you could shed some light on it. Especially seeing as you go to such lengths to promote the contributions of Islam to science.

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by abu_rashid on Jan 18th, 2011 at 12:27pm

Quote:
Especially seeing as you go to such lengths to promote the contributions of Islam to science.


Right... because one Islamic scientist said that bedouin camel's urine is medicinally the most useful, therefore all Islamic contributions to science must be null and void.

Are you for real fd?

Btw, Ibin Sina is one of the most respected of the Islamic scientists in the Western world. In fact his medical encyclopaedia, the Canon of Medicine (al-Qanun fit-Tibb) was used as a standard medical textbook in Europe right up until the early 19th. century, ~800 years after he wrote it.

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 18th, 2011 at 2:37pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 18th, 2011 at 12:27pm:
Ibin Sina is one of the most respected of the Islamic scientists in the Western world.


They stopped using his book over 100 years ago and how far has medicine advanced in the last 20-50-100 years?
They threw out all the geology textbooks in 1967 when plate tectonics was accepted along with continental drift Wegner came up with the idea in 1911 yet was ridiculed because his mechanism for continental drift was wrong.
If it is not correct science throws it out.

Ibn Sina also known as Avicenna which is his Latin name so would it be considered unilsamic for a muslim to use a non Islamic name when they have an arabic name?

In his autobiography under the chapter, The After Life.
The afterlife is a notion received from religious teaching there is no way of establishing its truth save by the way of religious dogma and the acceptance of the prophets report as true.
He rejected unreservedly the resurrection of the body,and with it the literal acceptance of those passages in the quran about the afterlife.

Like Omar Khayyam Ibn Sina did not believe in the afterlife on that important point of Islamic doctrine he was unquestionably heretical.

During his lifetime  Ibn Sina was suspected of infidelity to Islam, after his death accusations of heresy,free thought and Atheism were repeatedly leveled against him.

He also wrote books on philosophy and his autobiography makes it very clear he did not believe in the afterlife in the chapter named "The after life"

I have also read Al Ghazali's "The incoherance of the philosophers" and "the revival of the religious science" which i think had a lot to do with Islam stagnating with science and mathematics.
Ibn Rushd wrote a book titled "the incoherance of the incoherance" as a response to Al Ghazali.

Razi (841-926)is anothe rmuslims like to claim as one of them he wrote about 200 books.
His most controversial book "On Prophecy" is being destroyed by muslims yet many copies will survive.
He said  "These billy goat prophets pretend to come with a message from god,all the while exhausting themselves in sprouting their lies,and imposing on the masses blind obedience"




Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by abu_rashid on Jan 18th, 2011 at 7:33pm

Quote:
They stopped using his book over 100 years ago and how far has medicine advanced in the last 20-50-100 years?


Yeh I'd like to see how many Western scientists will still have relevant scientific books in 100 years time, let alone 800.


Quote:
They threw out all the geology textbooks in 1967 when plate tectonics was accepted along with continental drift Wegner came up with the idea in 1911 yet was ridiculed because his mechanism for continental drift was wrong.
If it is not correct science throws it out.


I'd phrase it more like this. As time goes by, our perspective on things tends to get bigger. It doesn't necessarily mean our older way of looking at things was inherently wrong, it just means we didn't see the bigger picture as well. I'm positive that in 100-200 years time, our descendants are going to look back on things we hold almost sacred today (from our scientific knowledge) and laugh at how simplistic and inaccurate they are. Obviously knowledge is becoming more and more refined as time goes by, so that kind of thing is going to be less severe as we advance further. Just like the knowledge of the Greeks and Babylonians and Indians was much cruder in comparison to that of the Islamic civlisation.


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Ibn Sina also known as Avicenna which is his Latin name so would it be considered unilsamic for a muslim to use a non Islamic name when they have an arabic name?


Now I'm convinced you're a halfwit.

It's not his "Latin name", it's merely the Latin attempt to pronounce his name. My God you are simple.


Quote:
I have also read...


I suspect you have trouble even reading these posts, let alone an entire book.

My advice to you is that if you are indeed a sincere atheist, then the best you can do to help the cause of atheism is to refrain from speaking for it.

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by freediver on Jan 18th, 2011 at 9:49pm

Quote:
Right... because one Islamic scientist said that bedouin camel's urine is medicinally the most useful, therefore all Islamic contributions to science must be null and void.

Are you for real fd?


They are your words Abu, not mine. But I can understand why you would leap to that conclusion. You should not be so quick to judge Islam. I am asking you 'for real' why the urine of bedouin camels is better.


Quote:
It doesn't necessarily mean our older way of looking at things was inherently wrong


Perhaps you could demonstrate this point with an explanation of the camel urine thing.

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 19th, 2011 at 2:13am

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 18th, 2011 at 7:33pm:

Quote:
They stopped using his book over 100 years ago and how far has medicine advanced in the last 20-50-100 years?


Yeh I'd like to see how many Western scientists will still have relevant scientific books in 100 years time, let alone 800.

[quote]They threw out all the geology textbooks in 1967 when plate tectonics was accepted along with continental drift Wegner came up with the idea in 1911 yet was ridiculed because his mechanism for continental drift was wrong.
If it is not correct science throws it out.


I'd phrase it more like this. As time goes by, our perspective on things tends to get bigger. It doesn't necessarily mean our older way of looking at things was inherently wrong, it just means we didn't see the bigger picture as well. I'm positive that in 100-200 years time, our descendants are going to look back on things we hold almost sacred today (from our scientific knowledge) and laugh at how simplistic and inaccurate they are. Obviously knowledge is becoming more and more refined as time goes by, so that kind of thing is going to be less severe as we advance further. Just like the knowledge of the Greeks and Babylonians and Indians was much cruder in comparison to that of the Islamic civlisation.


Quote:
Ibn Sina also known as Avicenna which is his Latin name so would it be considered unilsamic for a muslim to use a non Islamic name when they have an arabic name?


Now I'm convinced you're a halfwit.

It's not his "Latin name", it's merely the Latin attempt to pronounce his name. My God you are simple.


Quote:
I have also read...


I suspect you have trouble even reading these posts, let alone an entire book.

My advice to you is that if you are indeed a sincere atheist, then the best you can do to help the cause of atheism is to refrain from speaking for it.[/quote]

Sir Issac Newton's Laws of motion were first published on July 5 1687 and they are still used today.

Newton also contributed to mathematics where do you think the term Newtons came from in engineering.

Copernicus,Galileo,Newton,Darwin are just a few that stood the test of time.


Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by abu_rashid on Jan 19th, 2011 at 9:34am

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Sir Issac Newton's Laws of motion were first published on July 5 1687 and they are still used today.


2011 - 1687 = 324... Right, so in about another 500 years we can say he's achieved a similar feat to that of Ibn Sina. Thanks for making my point  :)


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Newton also contributed to mathematics where do you think the term Newtons came from in engineering.


That's great, don't believe I ever said he didn't.

Contrary to your delusional position, I am not here to say that any certain people haven't made contributions to science. I fully recognise most civilisations have all contributed, and that scientific knowledge is a human endeavour that all previous civilisations have contributed to, and that the better the scientist the bigger the shoulders of the giant he's standing on must've been.

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by Karnal on Jan 19th, 2011 at 1:42pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 18th, 2011 at 7:33pm:

Quote:
They stopped using his book over 100 years ago and how far has medicine advanced in the last 20-50-100 years?



I'd phrase it more like this. As time goes by, our perspective on things tends to get bigger. It doesn't necessarily mean our older way of looking at things was inherently wrong, it just means we didn't see the bigger picture as well. I'm positive that in 100-200 years time, our descendants are going to look back on things we hold almost sacred today (from our scientific knowledge) and laugh at how simplistic and inaccurate they are. Obviously knowledge is becoming more and more refined as time goes by, so that kind of thing is going to be less severe as we advance further. Just like the knowledge of the Greeks and Babylonians and Indians was much cruder in comparison to that of the Islamic civlisation.


Gee, you're positive. In many cases, however, modern science seems to be confirming older ideas and beliefs, and in many cases they discovered modern concepts way before the West. The Hindus had knowledge of atoms and cells. Traditional Chinese medicine knew about the circulation of blood.

I disagree that Islamic civilization is more "refined" than the Vedas (Indians). Many things were swapped and shared between Islamic and Vedic civilizations, including the introduction in the West of Hindu-Arabic numerals. There are similarities between Ayurvedic and other traditional forms of medicine too.

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by freediver on Jan 19th, 2011 at 7:30pm
Do Muslims still drink camel urine?

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 19th, 2011 at 10:31pm

freediver wrote on Jan 19th, 2011 at 7:30pm:
Do Muslims still drink camel urine?


Yes they still drink it it costs about $4 litre.

They say it will even cure HIV.

http://english.alshahid.net/archives/7418


Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by freediver on Jan 20th, 2011 at 8:40pm
That's four times as much as milk. Why is it so expensive?

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 20th, 2011 at 8:50pm

freediver wrote on Jan 20th, 2011 at 8:40pm:
That's four times as much as milk. Why is it so expensive?



I have no idea why they even drink it let alone buy it.

Islamic medicine might include a few fly wings and a glass of camel urine.

They also say some dates will stop all poisons i have challenged several muslims to bring their dates i will bring the poison and we shall see if it works.
No Takers on that as yet.

Aids is running rampant in Africa the camel urine cure is a hoax.

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by freediver on Jan 20th, 2011 at 9:08pm
Maybe it's like old fashioned snake oil - people say it is in the bible just to sell it. Except it is actually in the Koran, which makes things difficult.

The dates thing is interesting. Do you have a reference? It would be a fun challenge to put to a fundamentalist.

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 20th, 2011 at 9:43pm

freediver wrote on Jan 20th, 2011 at 9:08pm:
Maybe it's like old fashioned snake oil - people say it is in the bible just to sell it. Except it is actually in the Koran, which makes things difficult.

The dates thing is interesting. Do you have a reference? It would be a fun challenge to put to a fundamentalist.


It is in the hadith i will look up the verse number.

There is nothing about stoning to death in the Quran that is all in the hadith.
There is a hadith where Aisha said "a goat ate my husbands notes" after Mohammad died and that might be what happened to the stoning verse from the Quran.

If muslims deny the hadiths ask them where does it say you can stone someone to death for adultery in the Quran.

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 21st, 2011 at 9:48pm

freediver wrote on Jan 20th, 2011 at 9:08pm:
The dates thing is interesting. Do you have a reference?


Its in this list you might as well check out other Islamic medicines as well.

The offer is there to any muslim- you bring your dates i will bring the poison lets see if this works.

www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Medicine_and_healthcare_in_Islam

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by freediver on Jun 14th, 2012 at 8:20am

falah wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 11:59pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:32pm:
Hindu drink cow urine and muslims drink camel urine.


Camel urine is only taken for specific stomach ailment.

Hindus drink cow urine for the blessings. Why do Hindus spray cow urine all over themselves and even inside their homes?


What specific stomach ailment?

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by PoliticalPuppet on Jun 14th, 2012 at 9:17am
Do I really need to go through the stuff we used to do back in Britain a few hundred years ago?

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by adamant on Jun 14th, 2012 at 11:22am
Bertrand Russel thought little of Ibn Sina in his book on Western Philosophy. He admits that the Muslims were the transmitters  of knowledge but added little to the sum of it.

“Avicenna (Ibn Sina) ( 980-1037) spent his life in the sort of places that one used to think only
exist in poetry. He was born in the province of Bokhara; at the age of twenty-four he went to
Khiva--"lone Khiva in the waste"--then to Khorassan--"the lone Chorasmian shore." For a while
he taught medicine and philosophy at Ispahan; then he settled at Teheran. He was even more
famous in medicine than in philosophy, though he added little to Galen. From the twelfth to the
seventeenth century, he was used in Europe as a guide to medicine. He was not a saintly character,
in fact he had a passion for wine and women.”

“Arabic philosophy is not important as original thought. Men like Avicenna and Averroes are
essentially commentators. Speaking generally, the views of the more scientific philosophers come
from Aristotle and the Neoplatonists in logic and metaphysics, from Galen in medicine, from
Greek and Indian sources in mathematics and astronomy, and among mystics religious philosophy
has also an admixture of old Persian beliefs. Writers in Arabic showed some originality in
mathematics and in chemistry--in the latter case, as an incidental result of alchemical researches.
Mohammedan civilization in its great days was admirable in the arts and in many technical ways,
but it showed no capacity for independent speculation in theoretical matters. Its importance, which
must not be underrated, is as a transmitter. Between ancient and modern European civilization, the
dark ages intervened. The Mohammedans and the Byzantines, while lacking the intellectual
energy required for innovation, preserved the apparatus of civilization--education, books, and
learned leisure. Both stimulated the West when it emerged from barbarism--the Mohammedans
chiefly in the thirteenth century, the Byzantines chiefly in the fifteenth. In each case the stimulus
produced new thought better than any produced by the transmitters--in the one case scholasticism,
in the other the Renaissance”

http://archive.org/details/westernphilosoph035502mbp

Did you see that Galen (b. 129 AD, d. circa 200 AD),  is more highly regarded in medicine. Avicenna more than likely copied him.


This excerpt is from Wiki

Galen's understanding of anatomy and medicine was principally influenced by the then-current theory of humorism, as advanced by many ancient Greek physicians such as Hippocrates. His theories dominated and influenced Western medical science for nearly two millennia. His anatomical reports, based mainly on dissection of monkeys and pigs, remained uncontested until 1543, when printed descriptions and illustrations of human dissections were published in the seminal work De humani corporis fabrica by Andreas Vesalius[8][9] where Galen's physiological theory was accommodated to these new observations.[10] Galen's theory of the physiology of the circulatory system endured until 1628, when William Harvey published his treatise entitled De motu cordis, in which he established that blood circulates, with the heart acting as a pump.[11][12] Medical students continued to study Galen's writings until well into the 19th century. Galen conducted many nerve ligation experiments that supported the theory, which is still accepted today, that the brain controls all the motions of the muscles by means of the cranial and peripheral nervous systems.[13]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galen


Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by falah on Jun 14th, 2012 at 11:54am
Westerners drink their own urine:

Jim Stynes drinks urine, bares soul in revealing cancer fight documentary
http://www.perthnow.com.au/entertainment/perth-confidential/jim-stynes-drinks-urine-bares-soul-in-revealing-documentary-on-cancer-battle/story-e6frg30l-1225922486750

Horse urine is used by Wyeth pharmaceutical company in the US to produce medicine.

Camels could help cure humans
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1702393.stm

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by falah on Jun 14th, 2012 at 12:13pm
Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle (Peace & blessings of God upon) said, "If a fly falls in the vessel of any of you, let him dip all of it (into the vessel) and then throw it away, for in one of its wings there is a disease and in the other there is healing (antidote for it) i e. the treatment for that disease."

Wings of a Fly: The New Buzz of Antibiotics
http://www.yemenpost.net/8/Health/2.htm


The new buzz on antibiotics
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2002/10/01/689400.htm


Antibacterial action of Myiasis-causing flies.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15462958

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by freediver on Jun 14th, 2012 at 12:26pm

falah wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 11:59pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:32pm:
Hindu drink cow urine and muslims drink camel urine.


Camel urine is only taken for specific stomach ailment.

Hindus drink cow urine for the blessings. Why do Hindus spray cow urine all over themselves and even inside their homes?


What specific stomach ailment?

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by falah on Jun 14th, 2012 at 1:46pm

freediver wrote on Jun 14th, 2012 at 12:26pm:

falah wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 11:59pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 2:32pm:
Hindu drink cow urine and muslims drink camel urine.


Camel urine is only taken for specific stomach ailment.

Hindus drink cow urine for the blessings. Why do Hindus spray cow urine all over themselves and even inside their homes?


What specific stomach ailment?


It was used to treat tropical ascites. The cause of the disease, i can only speculate on. Possibly it was caused by malaria, as Madina was swampy 1500 years ago, and presumeably misquitoes common.

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by freediver on Jun 14th, 2012 at 5:41pm
Would you drink camel urine if you got that disease?

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by falah on Jun 14th, 2012 at 5:55pm

freediver wrote on Jun 14th, 2012 at 5:41pm:
Would you drink camel urine if you got that disease?

If I did, do you think that I would have anything to lose by drinking? Would I have much too gain?

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by freediver on Jun 14th, 2012 at 6:01pm
I hadn't put that much thought into it yet Falah. I don't know anything about the disease or the risks of drinking urine. Supposedly it is sterile when fresh from from a healthy person (or camel?).

Would you drink the urine?

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by Baronvonrort on Jun 15th, 2012 at 2:41pm

falah wrote on Jun 14th, 2012 at 12:13pm:
Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle (Peace & blessings of God upon) said, "If a fly falls in the vessel of any of you, let him dip all of it (into the vessel) and then throw it away, for in one of its wings there is a disease and in the other there is healing (antidote for it) i e. the treatment for that disease."


So what diseases are cured by dunking a fly in your drink falah?

If you are healthy is there any benefit to dunking a fly in your drink?

Does the "one wing contain the disease and the other wing an antidote" contradict the research going on?

Do you think it will enhance the image of muslims and Islam to start dunking fly's into your soup, a normal person would complain about a fly in their soup yet muslims think it has healing qualities.

Is it considered blaspehmy for a muslim to say Muhammad was wrong about anything including the health benefits from drinking camel urine?

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by falah on Jun 15th, 2012 at 3:53pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 2:41pm:

falah wrote on Jun 14th, 2012 at 12:13pm:
Narrated Abu Huraira: "God's Apostle (Peace & blessings of God upon) said, "If a fly falls in the vessel of any of you, let him dip all of it (into the vessel) and then throw it away, for in one of its wings there is a disease and in the other there is healing (antidote for it) i e. the treatment for that disease."


So what diseases are cured by dunking a fly in your drink falah?


Typically, the Islam-haters' limited intellectual abilities and prejudices prevent them from understanding what is prevented to them.

The fly carries both the disease and the antidote. For whatever disease is on the fly there is also an antidote.


The point is that it is not necessary to waste food by throwing away a beverage contaminated by a fly. Because the fly carries its own antidote.



Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 2:41pm:
If you are healthy is there any benefit to dunking a fly in your drink?


You tell me.



Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 2:41pm:
Does the "one wing contain the disease and the other wing an antidote" contradict the research going on?



You tell me.



Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 2:41pm:
Do you think it will enhance the image of muslims and Islam to start dunking fly's into your soup, a normal person would complain about a fly in their soup yet muslims think it has healing qualities.



This statement testifies to your lack of cerebral development.

The fly contains the antidote for the disease that it carries. Where do you get the idea that flies should be dunked for health benefits? The whole point is that it not necessary to waste food. Any health benefits would be superfluous to what is mentioned in the hadeeth.



Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 2:41pm:
Is it considered blaspehmy for a muslim to say Muhammad was wrong about anything including the health benefits from drinking camel urine?


Camel urine is not suggested as a general health tonic. It is prescribed for a specific ailment.




Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by freediver on Jun 15th, 2012 at 9:46pm
Would you drink camel urine Falah?

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by falah on Jun 16th, 2012 at 11:08am

freediver wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 9:46pm:
Would you drink camel urine Falah?


I do not have the disease that it is prescribed for, thanks be to God Almighty.

Are you happy to use US-produced pharmaceuticals that are derived from animal urine?

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by freediver on Jun 16th, 2012 at 11:09am
Obviously I meant if you had the disease. That should have been clear enough from the previous six times I asked the question.

So, if you had the disease, would you drink camel urine?

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by falah on Jun 16th, 2012 at 3:29pm

freediver wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 11:09am:
Obviously I meant if you had the disease. That should have been clear enough from the previous six times I asked the question.

So, if you had the disease, would you drink camel urine?


If I had that disease, God forbid, I would certainly take the medicine.



Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by freediver on Jun 16th, 2012 at 5:45pm
By "the medicine" do you mean camel urine, or whatever the doctor prescribed?

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by Bertram on Jun 16th, 2012 at 8:05pm
do they really drink camel urine?

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by Baronvonrort on May 5th, 2013 at 9:32pm

Bertram wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 8:05pm:
do they really drink camel urine?


The prophet Muhammad prescribed drinking camel urine, it would be considered blasphemy to say Muhammad was wrong about anything.

Gandalf what are your thoughts on this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn7JaB9pqew

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by Baronvonrort on May 9th, 2013 at 1:38pm
Islamic source for drinking camel urine which was prescribed by prophet Mo.

www.islamqa.com/en/ref/83423/camelurine


When muslims raise the issue of drinking alcohol i would remind them about the shahih hadeeth on the health benefits from drinking camel urine

Title: Re: Islam and camel urine
Post by Yadda on May 9th, 2013 at 2:29pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 9th, 2013 at 1:38pm:
Islamic source for drinking camel urine which was prescribed by prophet Mo.

www.islamqa.com/en/ref/83423/camelurine


When muslims raise the issue of drinking alcohol i would remind them about the shahih hadeeth on the health benefits from drinking camel urine



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