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TEL AVIV (Reuters) - Former Israeli President Moshe Katsav was found guilty of rape and other sex crimes on Thursday, in what Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called a sad day for the Jewish state. Katsav, who could now face years in prison, had denied charges he twice raped an aide when he was a cabinet minister in the late 1990s, and molested or sexually harassed two other women who worked for him during his 2000-2007 term as president. But a three-judge panel said his testimony had been "riddled with lies." "When a woman says no, she means no," the panel said in its ruling. Katsav was also convicted of obstructing justice, for trying to confer with one complainant about her testimony to police. The ashen-faced 65-year-old had no comment for reporters as he was spirited out of Tel Aviv District Court by a scrum of relatives, attorneys and bodyguards. One of his lawyers, Avigdor Feldman, criticized the unanimous verdict for ignoring "all of the doubts" about the women's accounts and said Katsav planned to appeal the ruling to the Supreme Court. State Attorney Moshe Lador praised Israel's legal system, saying that few countries would have prosecuted their head of state for such crimes. "Positions of power cannot grant immunity to criminals, however senior they may be," he said. "This is a sad day for the state of Israel and its residents," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, leader of the right-wing Likud party of which Katsav is a veteran member, said in a statement after the verdict. "Today the court conveyed two clear-cut messages, that all are equal before the law and that every woman has exclusive rights to her body," Netanyahu said. Rape carries a minimum prison term of four years and a maximum of 16 years in Israel. Moshe Negbi, legal analyst for Israel Radio, told Reuters any sentences handed down to Katsav for the lesser charges would probably be served concurrently. DISGRACE Though the scandal had forced Katsav's early retirement in disgrace, it had little impact on Israeli government functions, as the presidency is largely ceremonial. But the allegations against the Iranian-born leader, whose rise from the slums once served as a shining example for disadvantaged Jewish immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa, stirred deep emotions in Israel, where the elite has traditionally been of European descent. The verdict was dubbed an "earthquake" by one Israeli newspaper and welcomed by women's groups that have long complained of lax attitudes to sexual harassment in workplaces. Katsav, who is religiously observant, had cast himself as the victim of extortion and an ethnically-motivated "witch hunt." Relatives said he would campaign to clear his name. "This trial, where the judges rule according to their feelings, is not in keeping the ethics of Israel," Katsav's son Boaz told reporters. "God willing, the whole nation will know that dad, the eighth president of the State of Israel, is innocent." Out of concern for the complainants' privacy, much of the trial had taken place behind closed doors. Some commentators predict Katsav, should he appeal, will argue that the Tel Aviv District Court proceedings were not transparent enough. Katsav immigrated with his family to Israel in 1951. At the age of 24 he became the country's youngest mayor and went on to hold a number of Likud cabinet posts. Parliament elected him president in 2000 in a surprise victory over Shimon Peres, Israel's Nobel Peace Prize-winning elder statesman. Peres succeeded Katsav as president, an appointment observers say has restored dignity to the post. The eruption of the Katsav affair had amplified corruption scandals that brought down Israel's then premier, Ehud Olmert. Hosting Olmert in Moscow in late 2006, Vladimir Putin, Russia's president at the time, quipped before TV cameras that Katsav "didn't look like a guy who could be with 10 women."

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/8580264/israels-ex-president-katsav-guilty-of-rape/

So do the right wingers say it is alright to rape women

in the spirit of the original truly absurd post I offer the following.

Josef Stalin murdered 30million of his own people. Mao also murdered 30million of his own people.

Do leftwingers support genocide and murder?

So do the right wingers say it is alright to rape women  
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so can you give this right winger a reason" why "you would ask such a question?????

I'm not sure what the issue is here.
Maybe there isn't one.
He's had his day in court, found guilty, sentence to be carried out.
It's democracy in action, in the only democratic country in the entire Middle East which is surrounded by totalitarianism.
No cover up's here, no protecting former Prime Ministers or anything such thing.
Justice has been served.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 8:35am:

I'm not sure what the issue is here. Maybe there isn't one. He's had his day in court, found guilty, sentence to be carried out. It's democracy in action, in the only democratic country in the entire Middle East which is surrounded by totalitarianism. No cover up's here, no protecting former Prime Ministers or anything such thing. Justice has been served.

It has be mention that many times on here that the ex ALP members have been found guilty of sex crimes I am just pointing out that it happens on both sides of politics.

The right wing is not as lily white as they made out.

I don't support any of it BTW

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Congratulations, you have won the "Most Idiotic Post of the Year Award" for 2010.

Cracker Jack, what the bugger has that got to do with Australia?  Comparing this with the Australian politics is absurd, and the OP in this thread is not only irrelevant but also ridiculous where this country is concerned.

[b]You Rude and Unnecessary insult removed]! by mozzaok (you made you point well, so no need to diminish your credibility with an unsavoury personal insult, so to you and all members, please try to not use bad language in the Main Boards. Thanks)

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 9:15am:

Quote: So do the right wingers say it is alright to rape women Congratulations, you have won the "Most Idiotic Post of the Year Award" for 2010.

You all rave on about sex crimes that ex ALP member have been found guilty of but when one of your side is found guilty you won't admit it.

What is it about you right wingers "Don't as I do do as I say"

John S wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 9:23am:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 31st, 2010 at 9:15am: Quote: So do the right wingers say it is alright to rape women Congratulations, you have won the "Most Idiotic Post of the Year Award" for 2010. You all rave on about sex crimes that ex ALP member have been found guilty of but when one of your side is found guilty you won't admit it. What is it about you right wingers "Don't as I do do as I say"

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

At least get your little "pearls of wisdom" right you idiot!

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 8:05am:

in the spirit of the original truly absurd post I offer the following. Josef Stalin murdered 30million of his own people. Mao also murdered 30million of his own people. Do leftwingers support genocide and murder?

good one longy I dont think jack will have an answer to that one anymore than he did to mine..

John S wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 9:08am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 31st, 2010 at 8:35am: I'm not sure what the issue is here. Maybe there isn't one. He's had his day in court, found guilty, sentence to be carried out. It's democracy in action, in the only democratic country in the entire Middle East which is surrounded by totalitarianism. No cover up's here, no protecting former Prime Ministers or anything such thing. Justice has been served. It has be mention that many times on here that the ex ALP members have been found guilty of sex crimes I am just pointing out that it happens on both sides of politics. The right wing is not as lily white as they made out. I don't support any of it BTW

But what on earth does the former Israeli Prime Minister has to do with any ex Australian labor party members?

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 9:15am:So do the right wingers say it is alright to rape women[/quote]



Congratulations, you have won the "Most Idiotic Post of the Year Award" for 2010.[/quote]


I thought he had it sewn up a long time ago.

Despite Buzz's late run on the outside with a 35 page tantrum following Labor's brutal exit in Victoria.

Nice work, comparing Israel with Australia.

Possibily the stupidest thread in the history of this board, 10 top at least.

Riv, you need help, seriously.

John S wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 8:01am:

So do the right wingers say it is alright to rape women

Maybe Jack prefers to keep the door open to be able to rape the men.

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:-/    

Good old Jack - you'd never believe he left school early would you?

John S wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 9:08am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 31st, 2010 at 8:35am: I'm not sure what the issue is here. Maybe there isn't one. He's had his day in court, found guilty, sentence to be carried out. It's democracy in action, in the only democratic country in the entire Middle East which is surrounded by totalitarianism. No cover up's here, no protecting former Prime Ministers or anything such thing. Justice has been served. It has be mention that many times on here that the ex ALP members have been found guilty of sex crimes I am just pointing out that it happens on both sides of politics. The right wing is not as lily white as they made out. I don't support any of it BTW

CHILD sex crimes and also in australia (you know the country we actually live in???) the ALP has a stellar lead in such behaviour.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 10:01am:

Good old Jack - you'd never believe he left school early would you?

I don`t believe he even arrived.

John S wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 9:23am:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 31st, 2010 at 9:15am: Quote: So do the right wingers say it is alright to rape women Congratulations, you have won the "Most Idiotic Post of the Year Award" for 2010. You all rave on about sex crimes that ex ALP member have been found guilty of but when one of your side is found guilty you won't admit it. What is it about you right wingers "Don't as I do do as I say"

Unfortunately Jack the fact is that people's political leanings do not necessarily make them either better, or worse, than anyone else, and to try and imply otherwise is a little foolish.
We have seen more "criminal" behaviour, especially sex crimes, from ALP members in recent history, so no matter the fact that you may think left leaning politics is more compassionate, or empathic, towards those in need, individuals that espouse noble intentions, can still behave most ignobly indeed.
I think that the ALP could do a lot better in ridding itself of people who behave illegally, or inappropriately, and could learn a lesson from what the Israelis have done, in showing no fear or favour and treating this man as any other citizen, liable to the judgement of the laws of the land.
People that abuse a position of power and trust, should be dealt with harshly by the law, irrespective of their political allegiances.

John S wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 9:23am:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 31st, 2010 at 9:15am: Quote: So do the right wingers say it is alright to rape women Congratulations, you have won the "Most Idiotic Post of the Year Award" for 2010. You all rave on about sex crimes that ex ALP member have been found guilty of but when one of your side is found guilty you won't admit it. What is it about you right wingers "Don't as I do do as I say"

The "Likud party" in Israel is an member of the Liberal Party of Australia???

Wow, the Coalition is taking in foreign parties now??

Good call FD...

If the Tardies could just refrain from engaging in hyper silliness for a moment, it`d give us a chance to attack Abbott, & his team of stooges.

OH the Irony Skippy....