It's simple.

Voting is compulsory, not all votes are equal, every vote is weighted.

For every $10K the voter paid in taxes the past tax year, one vote is attributed.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 10:54pm:

It's simple. Voting is compulsory, not all votes are equal, every vote is weighted. For every $10K the voter paid in taxes the past tax year, one vote is attributed.

WTF ?


Pensioners should lose the right to vote ?
You sound like Andrei

Rather than cash, lets base it on i.q level ... every 50 points of iq equals a vote.

Neo Cons would be wiped from the political world in one election

____ wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 4:52am:

Rather than cash, lets base it on i.q level ... every 50 points of iq equals a vote. Neo Cons would be wiped from the political world in one election

thanks for my first laugh of the day greens hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 10:54pm:

It's simple. Voting is compulsory, not all votes are equal, every vote is weighted. For every $10K the voter paid in taxes the past tax year, one vote is attributed.

Well that's better than the system of electing someone based on opinion polls which the champagne socialist wants.

____ wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 4:52am:

Rather than cash, lets base it on i.q level ... every 50 points of iq equals a vote. Neo Cons would be wiped from the political world in one election

That'd be great, no ALP and no Greens.


Yes, the world is better under a liberal government.

Why waste time having elections just let the liberals govern all the time.

They were born to rule don't forget.

You mob reckon communisn and one party state are bad things or are they only bad when they apply to the left side if the fence?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 10:54pm:

It's simple. Voting is compulsory, not all votes are equal, every vote is weighted. For every $10K the voter paid in taxes the past tax year, one vote is attributed.

dreadful idea!

John S wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 6:53am:

Why waste time having elections just let the liberals govern all the time.

Well that would make Australia be at their best.
In 2007 Australia was in a fantastic state, but not anymore.
Have a look at all the disasterous programs & policies under the ALP.
If you want to stuff up Australia - vote ALP, they have proved it time and time again.
Australia just doesn't learn, guess that's because of the younger generation who think that they know best. They end up learning and going Liberal.

Just have the ALP & Greens as sub-committees, as afterall that's all the GALP do now.
Let's have a committee for this.
Let's have a committee for that.
Let's have a committee to decide if we should have a committee!!!

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 6:59am:

Just have the ALP & Greens as sub-committees, as afterall that's all the GALP do now. Let's have a committee for this. Let's have a committee for that. Let's have a committee to decide if we should have a committee!!!

not forgetting the reports on the committees..

the white papers/green papers.

bipartisan gettogethers..all touchy feely 20/20,

the plans for 25 years from now.. we will worry about it when we get there...ha.ha.

in the mean time.. lets play stab the PM in the back. its what we are really good at.

codswal wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 7:08am:

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 20th, 2010 at 6:59am: Just have the ALP & Greens as sub-committees, as afterall that's all the GALP do now. Let's have a committee for this. Let's have a committee for that. Let's have a committee to decide if we should have a committee!!! not forgetting the reports on the committees.. the white papers/green papers. bipartisan gettogethers..all touchy feely 20/20, the plans for 25 years from now.. we will worry about it when we get there...ha.ha. in the mean time.. lets play stab the PM in the back. its what we are really good at.

LOL
The sad thing is  - you're right.

If liberty and equality, as is thought by some are chiefly to be found in democracy, they will be best attained when all persons alike share in the government to the utmost.
Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC), Politics

Absolute authority breeds contempt......just look at Howard and work choices......he thought he could screw ordinary Australians and he was turfed out on his ass......the Liberal party cannot be trusted!!!

Well at least under Howard people could pay their bills.....now they are really in trouble.

Just look at the retail; sector!!

Look at all the children from middle australia taking their kids out of the private Christian schools!!
Julias aim is to wipe out middle Australia...that is the communist way!!

But you can ALL go to your local school and sit under the $1 mil dollar COLA....that will keep you dry from the rain!!

HAHA!!

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 6:36am:

____ wrote on Dec 20th, 2010 at 4:52am: Rather than cash, lets base it on i.q level ... every 50 points of iq equals a vote. Neo Cons would be wiped from the political world in one election That'd be great, no ALP and no Greens. Yes, the world is better under a liberal government.

So anne what type of goverment do you want for Australia?

Dictatorship, One state party or communist. They are all one and the same type of Goverment.

I think everybody should have the right to vote (aside from criminals serving time) and that it should be voluntary.

I also believe in a first-past-the-post system where the person who gains the most votes wins. If that means they get 35% then so be it, if nobody beats that.

I also believe that those who pay so little into society in tax, really should keep their trap shut about what others who pay a shiteload more than they do, do with their finances.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 9:14am:

I think everybody should have the right to vote (aside from criminals serving time) and that it should be voluntary. I also believe in a first-past-the-post system where the person who gains the most votes wins. If that means they get 35% then so be it, if nobody beats that. I also believe that those who pay so little into society in tax, really should keep their trap shut about what others who pay a shiteload more than they do, do with their finances.

The problem with your scenario is that if a party get 35% of the vote and form gov, that means 65% did not want that gov, hardly stable.
At least with preference voting people get to choose their second most preferred choice.
I used to feel the same as you but then I realised if we'd had that system Labor would never have lost an election as they always receive the most votes for any individual party.
Under you scenario all the parties that came 2nd 3rd and 4th could form a coalition and oust the party with the most votes,as often happens in Europe.

In Great Britain we have had stable centre of the road Governments for decades.

We have first past the post, we have voluntary voting and it works.

This it the first time we had a hung parliament in god knows when. 40 years I think.

The Conservatives led for a decade, then Labour led for a decade. Then Labour were wiped out.

If you're a poor Government, you get kicked out and the people decide.
Happened to Major, happened to Brown, happened to Callaghan.

It galls me to see guys like Wayne Swan get beaten in a poll then get in through the back door of preferences.

John S wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 9:11am:

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 20th, 2010 at 6:36am: ____ wrote on Dec 20th, 2010 at 4:52am: Rather than cash, lets base it on i.q level ... every 50 points of iq equals a vote. Neo Cons would be wiped from the political world in one election That'd be great, no ALP and no Greens. Yes, the world is better under a liberal government. So anne what type of goverment do you want for Australia? Dictatorship, One state party or communist. They are all one and the same type of Goverment.

You mean like the one we have now?

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It galls me to see guys like Wayne Swan get beaten in a poll then get in through the back door of preferences.

Under your system Labor would have won, they got the most votes of any individual party.

I am not talking about picking the winner I am talking about the best system.

I'd be surprised if Labor would have won.

It's not on national total votes, it's on votes in the particular electorate.

You can have the most national votes and still lose.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 9:47am:

I am not talking about picking the winner I am talking about the best system. I'd be surprised if Labor would have won. It's not on national total votes, it's on votes in the particular electorate. You can have the most national votes and still lose.

Under that scenario Labor would have always been in gov.

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Voting is compulsory, not all votes are equal, every vote is weighted. For every $10K the voter paid in taxes the past tax year, one vote is attributed.

reason being, it's the net taxpayers that pay the pollies wages, it's only the net tax payer who should decide.

the taxpayers are the bosses.
nontax payers are sychophants of the system.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 12:23pm:

Quote: Voting is compulsory, not all votes are equal, every vote is weighted. For every $10K the voter paid in taxes the past tax year, one vote is attributed. reason being, it's the net taxpayers that pay the pollies wages, it's only the net tax payer who should decide. the taxpayers are the bosses. nontax payers are sychophants of the system.

EVERYBODY pays tax sprint, even a 5 year old who buys an ice cream,thanks to John Howards GST.

The child is not buying the ice cream - it is the parent who is paying the tax as they buy it for the kid.

Called running a family budget.

What is it you want to do to these family budgets?

Oh yeah make it even tighter by adding a carbon tax so we pay more for the same thing?

Making it less likely we have money to afford to buy the kid an ice cream.

Great idea.....

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The child is not buying the ice cream - it is the parent who is paying the tax as they buy it for the kid.

The fact remains, EVERYBODY pays tax, via the GST,no matter if they earned the money or had it gifted.

skippy - yes, the GST paid is a tax.
However it is impossible to monitor for voting rights.

People have to earn money to spend it and pay GST

this system denies crims a vote, nor do tax avoiders get a vote.

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:19pm:

Quote:    The child is not buying the ice cream - it is the parent who is paying the tax as they buy it for the kid. The fact remains, EVERYBODY pays tax, via the GST,no matter if they earned the money or had it gifted.

Yep and I am all for raising it to 15%.
You have the option not to buy the ice cream and hence not pay the tax.

With PAYE it is becoming more difficult to avoid direct income tax and we have to be more and more inventive to avoid it.

Hence it is better and more effective to people to increase VAT/GST and lower direct tax.

It lightens the burden that is loaded onto us in the middle incomes.

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this system denies crims a vote, nor do tax avoiders get a vote.

Most people try and avoid tax sprint, the richer you are the more you try and avoid it.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:26pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 20th, 2010 at 2:19pm: Quote:    The child is not buying the ice cream - it is the parent who is paying the tax as they buy it for the kid. The fact remains, EVERYBODY pays tax, via the GST,no matter if they earned the money or had it gifted. Yep and I am all for raising it to 15%. You have the option not to buy the ice cream and hence not pay the tax. With PAYE it is becoming more difficult to avoid direct income tax and we have to be more and more inventive to avoid it. Hence it is better and more effective to people to increase VAT/GST and lower direct tax. It lightens the burden that is loaded onto us in the middle incomes.

As long as the tax free threshold was lifted to 25 or 30 grand I'd have no problem with that.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:26pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 20th, 2010 at 2:19pm: Quote:    The child is not buying the ice cream - it is the parent who is paying the tax as they buy it for the kid. The fact remains, EVERYBODY pays tax, via the GST,no matter if they earned the money or had it gifted. Yep and I am all for raising it to 15%. You have the option not to buy the ice cream and hence not pay the tax. With PAYE it is becoming more difficult to avoid direct income tax and we have to be more and more inventive to avoid it. Hence it is better and more effective to people to increase VAT/GST and lower direct tax. It lightens the burden that is loaded onto us in the middle incomes.

So come on dickhead answer my question in this post

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1292792990

or are you to chicken to answer it