Hanson says 'pathetic' Australian PM to blame for boat deaths

Controversial former Australian politician Pauline Hanson says the government's weak policies on asylum seekers are to blame for the deaths of dozens of people off the coast of Christmas Island


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"I believe it is vital that the truth, every fact, about this tragic incident is known to decision makers and to the general public," Prime Minister Gillard said during a press briefing in Sydney, calling the deaths "a terrible human tragedy."

Hanson said the money would be better spent addressing Australia's social problems, as would the dollars being allocated to process and support asylum seekers on their arrival in the country.

....Article continues pages 1 - 3


http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-16/world/australia.asylum.seekers_1_asylum-seekers-boat-deaths-christmas-island?_s=PM:WORLD

Mellie, you do know you're going to cop a hiding from the lefties for mentioning/quoting Pauline Hanson don't you??

Gillard would rather squander more tax-payers money investigating and glossing over her botched policies than tackling the matter at hand. On this we can be clear.

Blame the weather, blame the smugglers, though ignore the policy's that caused this tragedy to begin with.


8-)

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 1:20pm:

Mellie, you do know you're going to cop a hiding from the lefties for mentioning/quoting Pauline Hanson don't you??

I couldn't give a crap!

I think even they would agree Gillards rather pathetic, this and is again trying to squirm her way out of taking responsibility for her own flawed policies.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 1:20pm:

Mellie, you do know you're going to cop a hiding from the lefties for mentioning/quoting Pauline Hanson don't you??

Gizmo, after reading some of the leftie`s filth re this topic, I wouldn`t take any notice of their twisted, sick, "opinions".

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 1:20pm:

Mellie, you do know you're going to cop a hiding from the lefties for mentioning/quoting Pauline Hanson don't you??

Wasn't she leaving this SHITHOLE for England - to join the National Front ?i

Death of asylum seekers nation's shame: activist
BRENDAN GULLIFER
18 Dec, 2010 01:05 AM

The death of at least 30 asylum seekers off Christmas Island is Australia's shame, a former refugee living in Ballarat said yesterday.


Human rights activist Ali Bakhtiavandi said Australia was part of an alliance of western governments that had made war in Iraq and Afghanistan."

These governments destroyed Iraq and Afghanistan," he said. "Now they have a responsibility for the people we call refugees."

Mr Bakhtiavandi, 44, spent more than four years behind razor wire at detention centres in Melbourne, Baxter and Port Hedland before his case was taken up by human rights lawyer Julian Burnside.

The former petro-chemical worker said he escaped Iran in 2000 because his life was in danger. He left behind his mother, four sisters and two brothers.

"Australian, American, British and other governments call the Iranian government a dangerous government. If they believe the Iranian government is dangerous, why will they not take refugees from Iran?"

He said he paid US$5000 to a people smuggler in Indonesia and made a 72-hour crossing to in a leaky boat crowded with 36 people .

He said the people smuggler told him he would be under United Nations protection in Australia for 45 days then released into the community after a medical check.

Mr Bakhtiavandi said his time in detention centres was marked by bashings and abuse by private security guards, and mind games by immigration department officials.

"People in detention centres are not terrorists," he said. "You can release these people out of detention centres and they're not going to hurt anybody."


http://www.thecourier.com.au/news/local/news/general/death-of-asylum-seekers-nations-shame-activist/2029458.aspx

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 1:28pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 1:20pm: Mellie, you do know you're going to cop a hiding from the lefties for mentioning/quoting Pauline Hanson don't you?? Gizmo, after reading some of the leftie`s filth re this topic, I wouldn`t take any notice of their twisted, sick, "opinions".

Outstanding irony aussie.  

Outstanding.

Labor is a sunk ship, they failed to implement the required policies in order to achieve a desirable outcome, this and are once again, trying to peddle to shore with promises of an enquiry which they hope will render them blameless.

We are faced with a government who refuses to take responsibility for it's own actions, this and will conveniently blame others for their failings.

Bad form.

They were warned within months of Kevin winning the 2007 election that this would be the likely outcome if they recklessly abolished Howards policies and closed the Nauru detention facility.

::) They have noone to blame but themselves.

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 2:25pm:

Death of asylum seekers nation's shame: activist BRENDAN GULLIFER 18 Dec, 2010 01:05 AM The death of at least 30 asylum seekers off Christmas Island is Australia's shame, a former refugee living in Ballarat said yesterday. Human rights activist Ali Bakhtiavandi said Australia was part of an alliance of western governments that had made war in Iraq and Afghanistan." These governments destroyed Iraq and Afghanistan," he said. "Now they have a responsibility for the people we call refugees." Mr Bakhtiavandi, 44, spent more than four years behind razor wire at detention centres in Melbourne, Baxter and Port Hedland before his case was taken up by human rights lawyer Julian Burnside. The former petro-chemical worker said he escaped Iran in 2000 because his life was in danger. He left behind his mother, four sisters and two brothers. "Australian, American, British and other governments call the Iranian government a dangerous government. If they believe the Iranian government is dangerous, why will they not take refugees from Iran?" He said he paid US$5000 to a people smuggler in Indonesia and made a 72-hour crossing to in a leaky boat crowded with 36 people . He said the people smuggler told him he would be under United Nations protection in Australia for 45 days then released into the community after a medical check. Mr Bakhtiavandi said his time in detention centres was marked by bashings and abuse by private security guards, and mind games by immigration department officials. "People in detention centres are not terrorists," he said. "You can release these people out of detention centres and they're not going to hurt anybody." http://www.thecourier.com.au/news/local/news/general/death-of-asylum-seekers-nations-shame-activist/2029458.aspx

Not terrorists? Perhaps we can get a more accurate and balanced opinion? That is naive and incorrect.

mellie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 1:16pm:

Hanson says 'pathetic' Australian PM to blame for boat deaths Controversial former Australian politician Pauline Hanson says the government's weak policies on asylum seekers are to blame for the deaths of dozens of people off the coast of Christmas Island Quote: "I believe it is vital that the truth, every fact, about this tragic incident is known to decision makers and to the general public," Prime Minister Gillard said during a press briefing in Sydney, calling the deaths "a terrible human tragedy." Hanson said the money would be better spent addressing Australia's social problems, as would the dollars being allocated to process and support asylum seekers on their arrival in the country. ....Article continues pages 1 - 3 http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-16/world/australia.asylum.seekers_1_asylum-seekers-boat-deaths-christmas-island?_s=PM:WORLD

Hands up from those surprised the pig from Ipswich has said this?

skippy. wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 3:49pm:

mellie wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 1:16pm: Hanson says 'pathetic' Australian PM to blame for boat deaths Controversial former Australian politician Pauline Hanson says the government's weak policies on asylum seekers are to blame for the deaths of dozens of people off the coast of Christmas Island Quote: "I believe it is vital that the truth, every fact, about this tragic incident is known to decision makers and to the general public," Prime Minister Gillard said during a press briefing in Sydney, calling the deaths "a terrible human tragedy." Hanson said the money would be better spent addressing Australia's social problems, as would the dollars being allocated to process and support asylum seekers on their arrival in the country. ....Article continues pages 1 - 3 http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-16/world/australia.asylum.seekers_1_asylum-seekers-boat-deaths-christmas-island?_s=PM:WORLD Hands up from those surprised the pig from Ipswich has said this?

Hands up those surprised with how much of the left actually agree with Hanson on this.

8-)..Or will they now do a back-flip and change their stance, so as to agree to disagree with what they initially agreed with prior to Hansons media announcement?

Too late, much of the left already agreed before she said a word!

I'd like to see them try and retract that.

;D Oops!

mellie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 3:54pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 3:49pm: mellie wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 1:16pm: Hanson says 'pathetic' Australian PM to blame for boat deaths Controversial former Australian politician Pauline Hanson says the government's weak policies on asylum seekers are to blame for the deaths of dozens of people off the coast of Christmas Island Quote: "I believe it is vital that the truth, every fact, about this tragic incident is known to decision makers and to the general public," Prime Minister Gillard said during a press briefing in Sydney, calling the deaths "a terrible human tragedy." Hanson said the money would be better spent addressing Australia's social problems, as would the dollars being allocated to process and support asylum seekers on their arrival in the country. ....Article continues pages 1 - 3 http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-16/world/australia.asylum.seekers_1_asylum-seekers-boat-deaths-christmas-island?_s=PM:WORLD Hands up from those surprised the pig from Ipswich has said this? Hands up those surprised with how much of the left actually agree with Hanson on this. 8-)..Or will they now do a back-flip and change their stance, so as to agree to disagree with what they initially agreed with prior to Hansons media announcement? Too late, much of the left already agreed before she said a word! I'd like to see them try and retract that. ;D Oops!

"MOST OF THE LEFT" really , name them. I have not read one comment from a so called "left" commentator that backs up your assertion.
What I have read are commentators such as Mike Carlton say what most lefties here say, this was a horrible accident but nothing we do will stop people fleeing war zones for a safer life.He then went on to say what an asswipe the likes of Andrew Bolt is to try and turn this into a political wedge when the likes of you and the other rightards here were silent when 300 plus people died on one boat whilst Howard was PM, total silence.

Rubbish....the left are screaming for an overhaul of Labors refugee policies.... are demanding reform.

Ie...lets not have any detention centres at all...and make Australia an 'Open country".

So the refugees, terrorists, criminals escaping authorities in their own countries don't fall over and hurt themselves on the way into our country.

This can only go one of three ways...

Either Gillard swallows her pride and imposes similar-to-Howards border security/detainment measures this and re-opens off-shore processing, or she cowers to the far-left and renders our nation a free-for-all love in.

Or, she injects a little more funding into boarder security, whilst glossing over/re-vamping her inadequate policies...and hopes to christ this never happens again on her watch.

8-) I think she'll go for option B and C...perhaps a combination of the two...this and will look into processing them much faster.

Perhaps she could start funding swimming lessons in Indonesia, Iraq, Iran...etc...so if their boats break up they may tread water until help arrives.

Must be difficult swimming in a Jihab. ::)

mellie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 1:16pm:

Hanson says 'pathetic' Australian PM to blame for boat deaths Controversial former Australian politician Pauline Hanson says the government's weak policies on asylum seekers are to blame for the deaths of dozens of people off the coast of Christmas Island Quote: "I believe it is vital that the truth, every fact, about this tragic incident is known to decision makers and to the general public," Prime Minister Gillard said during a press briefing in Sydney, calling the deaths "a terrible human tragedy." Hanson said the money would be better spent addressing Australia's social problems, as would the dollars being allocated to process and support asylum seekers on their arrival in the country. ....Article continues pages 1 - 3 http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-16/world/australia.asylum.seekers_1_asylum-seekers-boat-deaths-christmas-island?_s=PM:WORLD

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Rubbish....the left are screaming for an overhaul of Labors refugee policies.... are demanding reform. Ie...lets not have any detention centres at all...and make Australia an 'Open country".

how does that relate to the left supporting what Hanson said about Gillard being to " blame for the deaths"  please provide some proof, otherwise you'll just look like a liar.

As a consequence of this boat tragedy, the left want to boost our refugee intake,  naturally,  and at a time when the right want to crack down on boats arriving to our shores  illegally.

Not all refugees are law-biding citizens as some would suggest.

In the next breath, a Labor government flirts with the prospect of imposing a congestion tax ...due to increasing traffic on our roads.

Cant win!

Not under a Labor government who continues making a rod for our backs.

::)

skippy. wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 4:27pm:

mellie wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 1:16pm: Hanson says 'pathetic' Australian PM to blame for boat deaths Controversial former Australian politician Pauline Hanson says the government's weak policies on asylum seekers are to blame for the deaths of dozens of people off the coast of Christmas Island Quote: "I believe it is vital that the truth, every fact, about this tragic incident is known to decision makers and to the general public," Prime Minister Gillard said during a press briefing in Sydney, calling the deaths "a terrible human tragedy." Hanson said the money would be better spent addressing Australia's social problems, as would the dollars being allocated to process and support asylum seekers on their arrival in the country. ....Article continues pages 1 - 3 http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-16/world/australia.asylum.seekers_1_asylum-seekers-boat-deaths-christmas-island?_s=PM:WORLD [quote]Rubbish....the left are screaming for an overhaul of Labors refugee policies.... are demanding reform. Ie...lets not have any detention centres at all...and make Australia an 'Open country".

how does that relate to the left supporting what Hanson said about Gillard being to " blame for the deaths"  please provide some proof, otherwise you'll just look like a liar.[/quote]

http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/46401

http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/46401
8-)

You were saying Skipper?


Jeeze, you make it easy for me...  too easy. ;D

The horrifying part of the News Item linked in the OP, is that it is an international site - CNN - so the entire world can see what is being said (correctly or not) about Ms. Gillard.

I shall have to develop an Oxford accent so that I won't be known as Australian when I travel for work now, it's so embarrassing.

Government anti-refugee policy is responsible for the tragedy on Christmas Island,” said Ian Rintoul, spokesperson for the Refugee Action Coalition.


What media outlet does the refugee action spokesperson work for?
Because the GREEN left ran a comment from a refugee action spokesperson the "whole left" blame Gillard for the tragedy? You're a liar  mel, but we knew that.
Mike Carlton was correct, rightards trying to turn this into a political wedge are the scum of the earth.

George wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 4:54pm:

The horrifying part of the News Item linked in the OP, is that it is an international site - CNN - so the entire world can see what is being said (correctly or not) about Ms. Gillard. I shall have to develop an Oxford accent so that I won't be known as Australian when I travel for work now, it's so embarrassing.

if thats the case george.. I hope you are not following the activities of Kevin 747... he is really dropping a few bloopers.

skippy. wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 4:59pm:

Government anti-refugee policy is responsible for the tragedy on Christmas Island,” said Ian Rintoul, spokesperson for the Refugee Action Coalition. What media outlet does the refugee action spokesperson work for? Because the GREEN left ran a comment from a refugee action spokesperson the "whole left" blame Gillard for the tragedy? You're a liar  mel, but we knew that. Mike Carlton was correct, rightards trying to turn this into a political wedge are the scum of the earth.

And the green-left have seemingly 'accommodated' these views, by not challenging them in the least, rather went so far as to even publish them on their green-left website...this and go so far as to endorse them on their own blogs.

Now Skip....go take a cold shower and calm yourself.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/46401

If you're going to be a 'real' lefty, at least do it properly and get your slant in check.

;D

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And the green-left have seemingly 'accommodated' these views,

The GREEN left are a media outlet, your argument is akin to saying Murdoch press dont print the views of the GREENS or Labor because Murdoch press are filthy fascists. Even though Murdoch press are filthy fascists, like Akerman and Bolt, they still print the opinion of Bob Brown and Gillard, its called "opinion" moron.

This is getting serious - Hanson AND Bolt are pretending to be unhappy

mellie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 4:22pm:

Must be difficult swimming in a Jihab. ::)

Say no more. You've got to the heart of everything right here.

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 2:25pm:

Death of asylum seekers nation's shame: activist BRENDAN GULLIFER 18 Dec, 2010 01:05 AM The death of at least 30 asylum seekers off Christmas Island is Australia's shame, a former refugee living in Ballarat said yesterday. Human rights activist Ali Bakhtiavandi said Australia was part of an alliance of western governments that had made war in Iraq and Afghanistan." These governments destroyed Iraq and Afghanistan," he said. "Now they have a responsibility for the people we call refugees." Mr Bakhtiavandi, 44, spent more than four years behind razor wire at detention centres in Melbourne, Baxter and Port Hedland before his case was taken up by human rights lawyer Julian Burnside. The former petro-chemical worker said he escaped Iran in 2000 because his life was in danger. He left behind his mother, four sisters and two brothers. "Australian, American, British and other governments call the Iranian government a dangerous government. If they believe the Iranian government is dangerous, why will they not take refugees from Iran?" He said he paid US$5000 to a people smuggler in Indonesia and made a 72-hour crossing to in a leaky boat crowded with 36 people . He said the people smuggler told him he would be under United Nations protection in Australia for 45 days then released into the community after a medical check. Mr Bakhtiavandi said his time in detention centres was marked by bashings and abuse by private security guards, and mind games by immigration department officials. "People in detention centres are not terrorists," he said. "You can release these people out of detention centres and they're not going to hurt anybody." http://www.thecourier.com.au/news/local/news/general/death-of-asylum-seekers-nations-shame-activist/2029458.aspx

to be honest.. I find some of this stuff hard to take for real.. no offence here.. but this gentleman says his life was in danger in 2000 in Iran but he wasnt too worried about leaving a large family behind..in danger also one presumes.

if this gentleman is so sure there are no terrorists/criminals in these camps... why was his life in peril back in Iran? why are these people being driven out of their own countries what have they done?.. and why isnt this gentleman doing more to make Iran a safe country for his fellow countrymen?

now most of those poor souls on this boat have relatives waiting here for them either on Xmas Island on even in Sydney..they have managed to find these people smugglers and pay huge sums to get on a boat.. how convienent! maybe they know of a travel agent in Indonesia..

sorry but for me a lot smells about all this..

its almost as if someone has a travel cartel.. like the drug lords have to get their drugs from A to B.

perhaps I am the only one that thinks like that..and if you think its nasty then it isnt meant to be. I just like to cross the Ts and dot the i's thats all.. and too many are missing the mark.

mellie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 4:31pm:

As a consequence of this boat tragedy...

Now it's a tragedy?

skippy. wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 5:13pm:

Quote: And the green-left have seemingly 'accommodated' these views, The GREEN left are a media outlet, your argument is akin to saying Murdoch press dont print the views of the GREENS or Labor because Murdoch press are filthy fascists. Even though Murdoch press are filthy fascists, like Akerman and Bolt, they still print the opinion of Bob Brown and Gillard, its called "opinion" moron.

Just a media outlet you think Skip?

hahahahah...gawd you're thick Skip...must I bring you up to speed about everything, or are you just playing stupid, desperately hoping others here wont pick up on your blunt affect?

Honestly, I don't know why I bother...perhaps it's because I have a bathroom to scrub and would rather not,(Ie am procrastinating) but here goes....


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Green Left Weekly Online version of the progressive newspaper published by the Democratic Socialist Party (Australia). As an Australian alternative newspaper, it campaigns for workers' rights, supports the environment, fights racism and sexism, and gives solidarity for....

http://www.pageinsider.com/greenleft.org.au

mellie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 4:31pm:

As a consequence of this boat tragedy, the left want to boost our refugee intake,  naturally,  and at a time when the right want to crack down on boats arriving to our shores  illegally. Not all refugees are law-biding citizens as some would suggest. In the next breath, a Labor government flirts with the prospect of imposing a congestion tax ...due to increasing traffic on our roads. Cant win! Not under a Labor government who continues making a rod for our backs. ::)

oh if only they could tax us for breathing all their problems would be over.. ha.ha..

I think this is the future..whatever they can tax they will.

the whole of our system seems to have turned full circle..once upon a time the villians got their just deserts..now they get time off for good behaviour.

the victim got justice.. now they get a lifetime of injustice, living with the thoughts that the villian is being protected and given every chance to have a life.. something they will never have.

funny isnt it..........well its meant to be!


some asylum seekers have moved into the army barrack in Adelaide...thats nice must be comforting for all those waiting on housing lists for another 3 years or more... these houses were on the news tonight they looked pretty good from here.

Refer to GLW (Green-Left Weekly) issue 864 for their published views concerning the boat issue Skip.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/46303


I also happen to agree with them on the Julian Assange issue...though disagree with Andrew Bolt on his views concerning Wikileaks.

I pick and choose who I agree with this and wont agree with a given party or individual in accordance with their political slant.

I try to remain objective.

FD wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 5:21pm:

mellie wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 4:31pm: As a consequence of this boat tragedy... Now it's a tragedy?

It is when the feeling's gone and we can't go on.

It's so hard to bare when these asylum seekers have nobody to love them and they're going nowhere.

<<some asylum seekers have moved into the army barrack in Adelaide...thats nice must be comforting for all those waiting on housing lists for another 3 years or more... these houses were on the news tonight they looked pretty good from here. >>
.........................................................

The army barracks were probably laying dormant for years anyway. The people waiting for public housing were never going to be put into the army barracks, imagine the uproar if they had been.

Maybe we should be angry that the army personnel were moved when the houses were in such good condition (according to codswal).

Or maybe all the army personnel are in Iraq, boy! will they be mad when they get back and find all these Iraqi's living in their houses....lol

I think asylum seekers should be enslaved until it is safe for them to return home.

mellie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 4:49pm:

http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/46401 8-) You were saying Skipper? Jeeze, you make it easy for me...  too easy. ;D

LOL
Well he isn't really very bright at all is he.
Rather you get more intelligence from a dead dung beetle.
His forte is trolling, flaming and abusing and even then that's quite lame as well, so he brings in his other nicks to assist him.

mellie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 5:09pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 4:59pm: Government anti-refugee policy is responsible for the tragedy on Christmas Island,” said Ian Rintoul, spokesperson for the Refugee Action Coalition. What media outlet does the refugee action spokesperson work for? Because the GREEN left ran a comment from a refugee action spokesperson the "whole left" blame Gillard for the tragedy? You're a liar  mel, but we knew that. Mike Carlton was correct, rightards trying to turn this into a political wedge are the scum of the earth. And the green-left have seemingly 'accommodated' these views, by not challenging them in the least, rather went so far as to even publish them on their green-left website...this and go so far as to endorse them on their own blogs. Now Skip....go take a cold shower and calm yourself. http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/46401 If you're going to be a 'real' lefty, at least do it properly and get your slant in check. ;D

LOL well said.
On a roll today.

codswal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 5:28pm:

mellie wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 4:31pm: As a consequence of this boat tragedy, the left want to boost our refugee intake,  naturally,  and at a time when the right want to crack down on boats arriving to our shores  illegally. Not all refugees are law-biding citizens as some would suggest. In the next breath, a Labor government flirts with the prospect of imposing a congestion tax ...due to increasing traffic on our roads. Cant win! Not under a Labor government who continues making a rod for our backs. ::) oh if only they could tax us for breathing all their problems would be over.. ha.ha.. I think this is the future..whatever they can tax they will. the whole of our system seems to have turned full circle..once upon a time the villians got their just deserts..now they get time off for good behaviour. the victim got justice.. now they get a lifetime of injustice, living with the thoughts that the villian is being protected and given every chance to have a life.. something they will never have. funny isnt it..........well its meant to be! some asylum seekers have moved into the army barrack in Adelaide...thats nice must be comforting for all those waiting on housing lists for another 3 years or more... these houses were on the news tonight they looked pretty good from here.

Well codswal, you may have to hold your breath on that as Julia Gillard wants to tax CO2, the very element we exhale when we do breath!
So the door would be open if Julia Gillard got her way.

So an ex-politician says this is Gillard's fault and this is all the evidence that's needed?!

There's such a tour de force of cognition on this issue!

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The army barracks were probably laying dormant for years anyway. The people waiting for public housing were never going to be put into the army barracks, imagine the uproar if they had been.

They WERE offered to those that had lost their homes in the Victorian bushfires
The offer was universely DECLINED - the homeless opting for temporary tent and caravan accommodation on public sports ovals, supplied by the State Government

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 5:48pm:

mellie wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 4:49pm: http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/46401 8-) You were saying Skipper? Jeeze, you make it easy for me...  too easy. ;D LOL Well he isn't really very bright at all is he. Rather you get more intelligence from a dead dung beetle. His forte is trolling, flaming and abusing and even then that's quite lame as well, so he brings in his other nicks to assist him.

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Lol...I love the way it logs out when I put up proof...  as though it hadn't seen it when it returns.

JC Denton wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 5:34pm:

FD wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 5:21pm: mellie wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 4:31pm: As a consequence of this boat tragedy... Now it's a tragedy? It is when the feeling's gone and we can't go on. It's so hard to bare when these asylum seekers have nobody to love them and they're going nowhere.

Up sh1t creek without a paddle even?

No thanks to a false-sympathetic government trickling 'sweeteners' to those involved in the human trafficking trade in order to secure left-votes back home, as Indonesian authorities and human right activists beg our government to tighten our border security and crack down on this scandalous, inhumane, deadly trade.

Put simply Rudd and Gillard stuffed up again....thought they had it all under control and are now eating their words.

See, to secure left-votes, they needed to be seen as Howard hating policy changers at the 2007 election, or else the left wouldn't have given them the time of day, labelling them too conservative (Howardarian)..and so they set about dismantling Howards refugee and border security protocols/policies ...and closing Nauru's detention centre of which more or less cemented the falsehood that this government were going to be much more lenient, humane concerning it's detainment and processing of refugees.

They sure fooled them hu! Lol Fooled allot of us actually, even I made the stupid mistake of voting for Rudd in 2007.

::)

Bottom line, neither side of politics are impressed with our government concerning it's refugee policy...on this I'm sure we can agree. For what ever reason...we just don't think this has been handled well at all.

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 6:01pm:

Quote: The army barracks were probably laying dormant for years anyway. The people waiting for public housing were never going to be put into the army barracks, imagine the uproar if they had been. They WERE offered to those that had lost their homes in the Victorian bushfires The offer was universely DECLINED - the homeless opting for temporary tent and caravan accommodation on public sports ovals, supplied by the State Government

But at what cost?

Why did they choose to sleep in tents on soccer fields, this opposed to sleeping in army barracks I wonder?

Perhaps they knew that the prying watchful eyes of the media would be kept-out, at a time when many of them had a few home truths to share about their harrowing ordeals?

I think I would prefer tent accommodation somewhere close to my local community, than the prison-like confines of an army barracks.

And what do you mean by "universally declined"

Do you have a link?

Australians are currently enduring severe housing shortages, are unable to find affordable accommodation, so our governments solution to this is what again?

Keep bringing them here...without having let our existing infrastructure catch up with the ethnic sprawl.


See, Labor are here for a good time, not a long time...this and know they don't stand a chance in hell at getting re-elected next time round, so don't particularly care what we think about their process....their sole objective is to suck us dry and fatten their own investment portfolios before they leave. And that they will.

...sticking their rude fingers up at us through the door on the way out.

::) Merry Xmas

mellie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 6:01pm:

Quote: Lol...I love the way it logs out when I put up proof...  as though it hadn't seen it when it returns. ..

Well he has to bring in his other nicks!

And especially his more flaming ones.

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 6:14pm:

mellie wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 6:01pm: Quote: Lol...I love the way it logs out when I put up proof...  as though it hadn't seen it when it returns. .. Well he has to bring in his other nicks! And especially his more flaming ones.

I'd call it hypocrisy, but I genuinely think it's absolute ignorance on his behalf. He had not a clue what the left were saying on the matter, had not even delved into it.

I don't think he knows if he's Arthur or Martha, much less left or right.

::) Well, this is what the left are saying on the matter...
http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/46401
hence Labors 'own' left and right factions are currently divided over this issue and many others ie the Assange matter.

And what makes this even more murky is that labors left and right factions are further divided into sub left and right factions.


Quote:

Labors Factions The Labor Party has always had a left wing and a right wing, but since the 1970s it has been organised into formal factions, to which some party members belong and often pay an additional membership fee. The two largest factions are Labor Unity (on the right) and the Socialist Left. Labor Unity generally supports free-market policies and the US Alliance and tends to be conservative on some social issues. The National Left, although it seldom openly espouses socialism, favours more state intervention in the economy, is generally less enthusiastic about the US Alliance and is often more progressive on social issues. The factions are themselves divided into sub-factions, and there is a constantly changing pattern of factional and sub-factional alliances around particular policy issues or around particular pre-selection disputes. Frequently these alliances and disputes reflect power struggles between or within trade unions.

-Wiki

One big happy dysfunctional and often quarrelling family.

No wonder nothing gets done, they are too bogged down in domestic disputes to get on with the job of running the country.

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mellie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 6:26pm:

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 6:14pm: mellie wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 6:01pm: Quote: Lol...I love the way it logs out when I put up proof...  as though it hadn't seen it when it returns. .. Well he has to bring in his other nicks! And especially his more flaming ones. I'd call it hypocrisy, but I genuinely think it's absolute ignorance on his behalf. He had not a clue what the left were saying on the matter, had not even delved into it. I don't think he knows if he's Arthur or Martha, much less left or right. ::) Well, this is what the left are saying on the matter... http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/46401 hence Labors 'own' left and right factions are currently divided over this issue and many others ie the Assange matter.

Yes you're probably right. Politics isn't his field at all.
Think he prefers just to troll and flame no matter what.
If he posted something that resembles intelligence then it would be quite refreshing to all.

mellie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 6:31pm:

And what makes this even more murky is that labors left and right factions are further divided into sub left and right factions. Quote: Labors Factions The Labor Party has always had a left wing and a right wing, but since the 1970s it has been organised into formal factions, to which some party members belong and often pay an additional membership fee. The two largest factions are Labor Unity (on the right) and the Socialist Left. Labor Unity generally supports free-market policies and the US Alliance and tends to be conservative on some social issues. The National Left, although it seldom openly espouses socialism, favours more state intervention in the economy, is generally less enthusiastic about the US Alliance and is often more progressive on social issues. The factions are themselves divided into sub-factions, and there is a constantly changing pattern of factional and sub-factional alliances around particular policy issues or around particular pre-selection disputes. Frequently these alliances and disputes reflect power struggles between or within trade unions. -Wiki One big happy dysfunctional and often quarrelling family. No wonder nothing gets done, they are too bogged down in domestic disputes to get on with the job of running the country. ::)

Well that's one way of saying it.
Another way would be that they are too busy trying to cover their backsides and trying to divert attention away from themselves for their many stuff ups.

A KEY Labor Party adviser to Julia Gillard's election campaign has called for a tenfold increase in Australia's migrant intake.

The call comes in the wake of Wednesday's deaths of at least 30 asylum-seekers off Christmas Island.

Cameron Milner, a former Queensland Labor Party secretary from the party's Right, has called for an overhaul of refugee policy, arguing that the tragedy highlights the need for a more humanitarian approach.

In a commentary piece for the The Weekend Australian today, Mr Milner calls on the Prime Minister to use the tragedy as a trigger for reform, in the same way that John Howard delivered tough but unpopular gun law changes in the wake of the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

His comments came as the government announced it would seek to resettle in third countries 10 Oceanic Viking asylum-seekers deemed security risks by ASIO. The Rudd government promised to expedite resettlement of the asylum-seekers, later deemed to be refugees, in a deal to get them to disembark from the Australian Customs vessel. But the adverse security assessments meant the 10 Tamils could neither be sent home nor released into the community in Australia.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/alp-urged-to-be-more-humane-on-asylum-seekers/story-fn59niix-1225972985871

So, we have one of labors faction calling for a ten-fold increase in Australia's migrant intake (Guess what Labor faction, their "Socialist left" of course)..no name supplied, naturally.

Then we have Labors right faction calling for an overhaul of their refugee policy, arguing that the tragedy highlights the need for a more humanitarian approach.

Quote:

In a commentary piece for the The Weekend Australian today, Mr Milner calls on the Prime Minister to use the tragedy as a trigger for reform, in the same way that John Howard delivered tough but unpopular gun law changes in the wake of the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

The trick is, to please both factions at once...but how?

Impossible...because to do what a majority of Australians want her to do will mean burning her socialist-left faction, her roots.

The question is, will she be able to cast aside the whims of Labors own socialist left wing who will ultimately destroy her should she not oblige.. to do what's best for this country?

I doubt it...this and think she will continue sitting on the fence with it like she has for the last 3 years. This is why nothings been done, neither she or Krudd have the balls to implement what Howard bravely did, and not without controversy and protest.

See, she has a duty to stay true to her left faction, however centrist she portrays herself to be these days, we all know better, and they wont let her forget it either.

"Remember where you came from Jooyu, Ya here"

They made her and will break her just as easily if the need arises, I think they already have.

A generous slice of humble pie might be the order of the day, but I don't think Gillards up for swallowing her pride just now, so will inevitably dig her grave to please her puppeteers and gradually fizzle out.

Easy rise, easy fall, easy come easy go...next batter up!

Shortens in the grandstand shining his bat and spitting on his ball as we speak.


With all those factions to please, it's no wonder she's forgotten about those who she's let down so terribly.

Her ordinary Australians who placed their faith in her ability to lead the country.

She's a heart breaker al right...lol


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buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 2:25pm:

Death of asylum seekers nation's shame: activist

Who reads past that?

mellie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 6:01pm:

Quote: Lol...I love the way it logs out when I put up proof...  as though it hadn't seen it when it returns.

It appears that he does the same with all his nicks, hit and run.

Why not give the whole world a dual AUstralian citizenship forthwith and let them decide if they want to live here or not.

I do not see how the lefty position is any different from this.

Lets go back in time.... and see how other Labor leaders have struggled with refugee policy.


Federal Labor leader Mark Latham won endorsement for his "tough but fair" policy towards refugees when the ALP's 2004 national conference voted on January 30 to reject the amendments put forward by supporters of Labor for Refugees.

Widely billed by the corporate media as a compromise and a "softening" of its policy on refugees, Latham's policy is no different from the very partial compromises made under his predecessor, Simon Crean, at the end of 2002. Like Kim Beazley and Crean before him, Latham is a strong defender of mandatory detention, a policy first introduced by Labor in 1994.

The conference endorsed a policy which involves releasing children from detention; fast-tracking the processing of claims, with 90% processed in 90 days; tougher penalties for people smugglers; returning detention centres to public sector management; a coast guard to intercept boats carrying asylum seekers; and an end to the "Pacific solution" processing of asylum seekers on Manus Island and Nauru. However, a Labor federal government would retain the Coalition government's excision of Christmas Island from Australia's migration zone.

The parliamentary Labor Party's refugee policy proposals were supported by 58% of the conference delegates.

By contrast, every state Labor conference across the country during 2002 and 2003 endorsed Labor for Refugees' call for a more humane refugee policy, including limiting mandatory detention to determining asylum seekers' health, identity and security risk, the abolition of temporary protection visas and an end to the "Pacific solution", including a reversal of the excision of Christmas Island.

Why, then, did the national conference vote not reflect this rank-and-file discontent? Much was made by Labor spokespeople of the fact that this national conference was its largest ever, with 400 delegates, more than double the number at past conferences, and with more rank-and-file participation.

However, according to a list drawn up by Coalition industrial relations minister Kevin Andrews, 85% of delegates were either union officials, MPs, Labor councillors, ALP officials, staffers or former staffers or failed candidates.

Delegates voted largely along factional lines. Most of the so-called Left faction supported Labor for Refugees amendments, with the notable exception of deputy leader Jenny Macklin and front-benchers Julia Gillard and Martin Ferguson.

NSW Labor Council secretary John Robertson, who has worked to carve out a role for himself as a spokesperson for Labor for Refugee over the past two years, initially seconded the Left's motion but withdrew following pressure from his right-wing faction.

ALP national president Carmen Lawrence, who resigned from Crean's front bench a year ago, largely in protest against Labor's refugee policy, was vocal in her condemnation of the policy during conference debate.

She told delegates that they were "being asked to replace a truly Labor Party policy with a small facsimile of Howard's policy".

"What we are being asked to endorse is the brainchild, in some respects, of the most reactionary prime minister this country has ever seen", Lawrence said. "The Australian people cannot be ignored; they need to be persuaded."

In an interview on the ABC's 7.30 Report on January 30, Lawrence expressed her disappointment at the outcome of the debate, but was quick to defend the progress that had been made: "We can say this is a hell of a lot better than what the government has put forward. I think the important distinction is that Mark Latham uses the language of conciliation. He uses the language of compassion. The government is really stuck in a very rigid and cruel policy. We are improving it gradually."

The January 31 Australian editorialised that "with [Latham's] compromise policy on asylum seekers passing conference yesterday, this issue will quietly drop from view".
continues.....
http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/30584

Tax asylum seekers.

Please delete wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 5:16pm:

This is getting serious - Hanson AND Bolt are pretending to be unhappy

A lot of people are unhappy, although it won`t get through to you people for quite a while yet.

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 7:55pm:

Please delete wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 5:16pm: This is getting serious - Hanson AND Bolt are pretending to be unhappy A lot of people are unhappy, although it won`t get through to you people for quite a while yet.

It's probably because they don't understand the issue.
And that's probably because they're too young.

Deaths show folly of Labor's too-soft policy
From: The Daily Telegraph December 16, 2010 12:00AM

FOR some considerable time The Daily Telegraph has warned of the problems implicit in a soft policy on asylum seekers.

At the core of our concern was the risk to life among those who feel the chance of establishing a new life in Australia outweighs the enormous risks taken in attempting to reach our shores by boat.

The best way to reduce that risk is to convince would-be asylum seekers not to undertake such voyages - aboard craft often not fit for river travel much less an ocean crossing - in the first place.

Labor's election in 2007 brought with it a change to the previous Howard government's hardline stance on asylum seekers (a stance, it must be recognised, that cut unauthorised arrivals to a trickle). Replacing it would be a more humane regime, largely based on a policy paper drawn up by then-shadow immigration minister Julia Gillard.

Regrettably, the new policy soon prompted renewed arrivals as people-smugglers seized on the new policies to convince their human prey that Australia was once again open for business.

Since then, boosted as well by circumstances far beyond the Indonesian wharves where people smugglers commonly launch their overcrowded and ill-equipped vessels, Australia has seen a huge increase in the number of those seeking asylum.

With that rise in traffic has come a corresponding spike in fatalities. Even before yesterday's devastating Christmas Island disaster, more than 150 were estimated to have died at sea following the introduction of Labor's new policies.Most of those deaths occurred far from view, in waters unseen by local eyes.

Now Australia has witnessed graphic and distressing evidence of how a supposedly humane system is in fact causing shocking death and heartbreak.

Prime Minister Gillard has no choice now but to restore the previous government's hardline policies on asylum seekers. The Government must do everything in its power to convince those wishing to arrive by sea that the risk isn't worth it.

Back in July, when she was campaigning to win the federal election, Gillard tried to sound both bold and compassionate.

"Let me say one thing loud and clear," she told a Canberra audience. "Our nation would not leave children to drown."

Tragically, our nation can't stop people drowning when they insist on taking gigantic risks. What we can do, however, is remove the incentive to take those risks.

Gillard needs to get tough or go home.

codswal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 5:20pm:

to be honest.. I find some of this stuff hard to take for real.. no offence here.. but this gentleman says his life was in danger in 2000 in Iran but he wasnt too worried about leaving a large family behind..in danger also one presumes.

Where did it say "he wasn't too worried" about leaving his family behind?

mellie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 5:33pm:

I try to remain objective.

Of course you do...

Jaykaye_09 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 8:07pm:

codswal wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 5:20pm: to be honest.. I find some of this stuff hard to take for real.. no offence here.. but this gentleman says his life was in danger in 2000 in Iran but he wasnt too worried about leaving a large family behind..in danger also one presumes. Where did it say "he wasn't too worried" about leaving his family behind?

Come on jaye.

It's understood.


He's a darker shade of pale after all.

You know that they dont feel things the way WE do.

mellie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 5:33pm:

I try to remain objective.

Wish others around here would take a leaf out of your book.

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 8:12pm:

mellie wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 5:33pm: I try to remain objective. Wish others around here would take a leaf out of your book.

Yeah.


There's not enough humour in the world.

darkhall67 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 8:20pm:

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 8:12pm: mellie wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 5:33pm: I try to remain objective. Wish others around here would take a leaf out of your book. Yeah. There's not enough humour in the world.

And yet you survive.

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 8:23pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 8:20pm: Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 8:12pm: mellie wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 5:33pm: I try to remain objective. Wish others around here would take a leaf out of your book. Yeah. There's not enough humour in the world. And yet you survive.

Seems the world is starved of wit too.

Jaykaye_09 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 8:24pm:

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 8:23pm: darkhall67 wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 8:20pm: Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 8:12pm: mellie wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 5:33pm: I try to remain objective. Wish others around here would take a leaf out of your book. Yeah. There's not enough humour in the world. And yet you survive. Seems the world is starved of wit too.

Well darkhall is half way there!

Oi vey.

Trouble is, Labors right faction are at war with it's socialist left faction and it's growing sub factions supporters continue stoking the fire.

Labors right faction have written her off and wield tremendous power in the Labor party, and are just allowing her to fill the awkward void Rudd (Their reconciliation/socialist sock) left behind...whereas Labors left faction and far left factions were secretly hoping she had been installed to balance the power in the ALP executive between the left and right factions.  But as we can see, whilst her brand-name is soft-left, her policies are too right leaning, conservative  for even her die-hard leftard supporters tastes who were expecting some sort of revolution I think, given traditionally, the leadership has been held by a member of Labor unity,(the right faction) .... with the exception of Ben Chifley, who by today's standards would be regarded a socialist-left...due to him having implemented socialist policies when he was PM and leader of the ALP.

Poor Julia, she doesn't quite fit in anywhere does she...is squatting in a faction all of her own... and only temporarily it seems.

I think she probably knew this when she first took the lead, and knew she was only filling in until Labors next 'meaningful' election in 2017/2018..or sooner if one of her independents cross the floor before the next federal election.


I think Labors mistake back in 2007 was they placed so much importance in toppling Howard, they really had no idea what they would do if/once they did.

They had been out of the game for 11 years, a conga-line of wanna-be green-skins had come up through the ranks by then and none of them had a clue nor the sensibilities and experience to drive a robust economy, the economy they had inherited from a Howard government.


"Ok, so we've won, now what?" -Krudd 2007

He had big shoes to fill, (Howards) and failed.

...Now his assistant (Gillard) is just clearing out his desk, and getting things in order before the next election whereby they know they don't stand a chance at winning after their recent piss poor attempt at running the country. I doubt they care, and think they have their sights set on winning the one after next with Bill Shorten leading the party.


The boat people will remain just that...BOAT PEOPLE!

Because she stands to be slaughtered whichever way she moves...so wont move an inch.

Will play it safe.

So leftard those who voted Gillard in favour of a socialist-left lean are probably feeling pretty disappointed right now, and this only stands to get much worse as her term comes to a close.

Sorry.

Afterall....

The mandatory detention of refugees was afterall a policy first introduced by Labor in 1994.

8-) Old habits die hard.

I reckon at least 90% of the Posts on this Thread are from mellie.

:D

Quote:

Hanson says Gillards responsible

Wonder who they will dig up next.

http://images.theage.com.au/2008/11/25/302622/mbn_gillard-420x0.jpg

I nominate you to be banned if you post that disgusting sh!t again.

Need relief.

JC Denton wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 9:30pm:

I nominate you to be banned if you post that disgusting sh!t again. Need relief.

Shut up and salute!!!

JC Denton wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 9:30pm:

I nominate you to be banned if you post that disgusting sh!t again. Need relief.

Have a wank, cutie. I can't keep my eyes off him either.

FD wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 9:37pm:

JC Denton wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 9:30pm: I nominate you to be banned if you post that disgusting sh!t again. Need relief. Have a wank, cutie. I can't keep my eyes off him either.

Death warmed up.

darkhall67 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 8:20pm:

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 8:12pm: mellie wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 5:33pm: I try to remain objective. Wish others around here would take a leaf out of your book. Yeah. There's not enough humour in the world.

So you do have a purpose after all?

JC Denton wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 9:30pm:

I nominate you to be banned if you post that disgusting sh!t again. Need relief.

Twas ugly eh!

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 5:50pm:

mellie wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 5:09pm: skippy. wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 4:59pm: Government anti-refugee policy is responsible for the tragedy on Christmas Island,” said Ian Rintoul, spokesperson for the Refugee Action Coalition. What media outlet does the refugee action spokesperson work for? Because the GREEN left ran a comment from a refugee action spokesperson the "whole left" blame Gillard for the tragedy? You're a liar  mel, but we knew that. Mike Carlton was correct, rightards trying to turn this into a political wedge are the scum of the earth. And the green-left have seemingly 'accommodated' these views, by not challenging them in the least, rather went so far as to even publish them on their green-left website...this and go so far as to endorse them on their own blogs. Now Skip....go take a cold shower and calm yourself. http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/46401 If you're going to be a 'real' lefty, at least do it properly and get your slant in check. ;D LOL well said. On a roll today.

Poor Skip, just cant keep up.

8-)

mellie wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 1:22pm:

Poor Skip, just cant keep up. 8-)

Yes, that's our little pinky boy

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mellie wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 5:09pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 4:59pm: Government anti-refugee policy is responsible for the tragedy on Christmas Island,” said Ian Rintoul, spokesperson for the Refugee Action Coalition. What media outlet does the refugee action spokesperson work for? Because the GREEN left ran a comment from a refugee action spokesperson the "whole left" blame Gillard for the tragedy? You're a liar  mel, but we knew that. Mike Carlton was correct, rightards trying to turn this into a political wedge are the scum of the earth. And the green-left have seemingly 'accommodated' these views, by not challenging them in the least, rather went so far as to even publish them on their green-left website...this and go so far as to endorse them on their own blogs. Now Skip....go take a cold shower and calm yourself. http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/46401 If you're going to be a 'real' lefty, at least do it properly and get your slant in check. ;D

Gosh. What a simplistic view you have of the world.

Julia Gillard is a "lefty" is she?

Hilarious.

I suppose you think that the politics of the "left" and the "right" somehow align with the Liberal and Labor partis as well.

I have to say, I do find your naive attempts at understanding contemporary politics quite charming.

Do go on.

Luke Fowler wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 5:45pm:

mellie wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 5:09pm: skippy. wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 4:59pm: Government anti-refugee policy is responsible for the tragedy on Christmas Island,” said Ian Rintoul, spokesperson for the Refugee Action Coalition. What media outlet does the refugee action spokesperson work for? Because the GREEN left ran a comment from a refugee action spokesperson the "whole left" blame Gillard for the tragedy? You're a liar  mel, but we knew that. Mike Carlton was correct, rightards trying to turn this into a political wedge are the scum of the earth. And the green-left have seemingly 'accommodated' these views, by not challenging them in the least, rather went so far as to even publish them on their green-left website...this and go so far as to endorse them on their own blogs. Now Skip....go take a cold shower and calm yourself. http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/46401 If you're going to be a 'real' lefty, at least do it properly and get your slant in check. ;D Gosh. What a simplistic view you have of the world. Julia Gillard is a "lefty" is she? Hilarious. I suppose you think that the politics of the "left" and the "right" somehow align with the Liberal and Labor partis as well. I have to say, I do find your naive attempts at understanding contemporary politics quite charming. Do go on.

We regularly have this ludicrous discussion that somehow puts the liberals on the 'extreme right' and labor somehow on the left. All it shows is the lack of political educationand understanding by most posters. To be honest, it actually shows them up to be complete idiots. Labor and Liberals have virtually identical policies on the vast raft of issues with nothing more than details to separate them.

But feel free to maintain the fiction of this left/right garbage if you feel it supprots your anger and lunacy.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 6:22pm:

Luke Fowler wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 5:45pm: mellie wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 5:09pm: skippy. wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 4:59pm: Government anti-refugee policy is responsible for the tragedy on Christmas Island,” said Ian Rintoul, spokesperson for the Refugee Action Coalition. What media outlet does the refugee action spokesperson work for? Because the GREEN left ran a comment from a refugee action spokesperson the "whole left" blame Gillard for the tragedy? You're a liar  mel, but we knew that. Mike Carlton was correct, rightards trying to turn this into a political wedge are the scum of the earth. And the green-left have seemingly 'accommodated' these views, by not challenging them in the least, rather went so far as to even publish them on their green-left website...this and go so far as to endorse them on their own blogs. Now Skip....go take a cold shower and calm yourself. http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/46401 If you're going to be a 'real' lefty, at least do it properly and get your slant in check. ;D Gosh. What a simplistic view you have of the world. Julia Gillard is a "lefty" is she? Hilarious. I suppose you think that the politics of the "left" and the "right" somehow align with the Liberal and Labor partis as well. I have to say, I do find your naive attempts at understanding contemporary politics quite charming. Do go on. We regularly have this ludicrous discussion that somehow puts the liberals on the 'extreme right' and labor somehow on the left. All it shows is the lack of political educationand understanding by most posters. To be honest, it actually shows them up to be complete idiots. Labor and Liberals have virtually identical policies on the vast raft of issues with nothing more than details to separate them. But feel free to maintain the fiction of this left/right garbage if you feel it supprots your anger and lunacy.

The major points of differance are that the Libs aren`t owned by, or answerable to any other body as the Labs are by, and to the unions.

Apart from Labor`s obsession with spin and dishonesty, there`s not such a lot of differance between the two, and the fact that the performance bar is very low for Labor members.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 18^th, 2010 at 5:55pm:

So an ex-politician says this is Gillard's fault and this is all the evidence that's needed?! There's such a tour de force of cognition on this issue!

If a PM - the PM at any given time -  is not responsible -who is?

What IS Gillard responsible for? She is the head of the government. Does that carry ANY responsibility for anything? Or is it just a licence to to flash in the company of hairdressers, god help us. ( A PM smacking her hairdresser!! How bogan can you be??) No wonder she look and sounds out of her depth. A post of school principal would already be iffy for her, with that 'concerned' bogan diction and complete lack of stature.

With her, the saying is true: behind every woman is a man checking out her arse - and in her case, it is a full time job, considering the acres  of arse she is lugging around with her.


SO is she responsible for these deaths? Yes.

It can't be Abbott's fault or Howard's (were they in power, though, the same people who exonerate Gillard would be baying for their blood).

It is Julia's  and Bangbang "What kind of a stupid name is THAT" Yudhoyone's fault, with villanous assitance from whoever is the Malay PM and the murderous gang of pricks causing mayhem in Sri Lanka, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan.

ANd before you all rush to blame Bush's invasion - these places were murderous and despicable long before 2001 (Afghanistan) or 2003 (Iraq). In fact, they have never been BUT murderous and despicable.

Are the people of these countries - including the  people on these boats - responsible for the moral and material squalor they have been living in? Yes. i

Tony Abbott has flagged a return to the failed policies of the former Howard government.....

"I do want to point out that every illegal boat arrival costs on average $82,000 to process," Mr Abbott said.

A report by Oxfam and A Just Australia put the cost of the Pacific Solution, which saw asylum seekers detained on Manus Island and Nauru, at more than $1 billion over five years, or $500,000 per person.

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Soren wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 8:13pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 5:55pm: So an ex-politician says this is Gillard's fault and this is all the evidence that's needed?! There's such a tour de force of cognition on this issue! If a PM - the PM at any given time -  is not responsible -who is? What IS Gillard responsible for? She is the head of the government. Does that carry ANY responsibility for anything? Or is it just a licence to to flash in the company of hairdressers, god help us. ( A PM smacking her hairdresser!! How bogan can you be??) No wonder she look and sounds out of her depth. A post of school principal would already be iffy for her, with that 'concerned' bogan diction and complete lack of stature. With her, the saying is true: behind every woman is a man checking out her arse - and in her case, it is a full time job, considering the acres  of arse she is lugging around with her. SO is she responsible for these deaths? Yes. It can't be Abbott's fault or Howard's (were they in power, though, the same people who exonerate Gillard would be baying for their blood). It is Julia's  and Bangbang "What kind of a stupid name is THAT" Yudhoyone's fault, with villanous assitance from whoever is the Malay PM and the murderous gang of pricks causing mayhem in Sri Lanka, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan. ANd before you all rush to blame Bush's invasion - these places were murderous and despicable long before 2001 (Afghanistan) or 2003 (Iraq). In fact, they have never been BUT murderous and despicable. Are the people of these countries - including the  people on these boats - responsible for the moral and material squalor they have been living in? Yes.

Blame the victim.....why not.....you condemn them for allowing themselves to live in squalor (like you would know).....and them you condemn them for doing something about it.....you have no idea mate!!!

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philperth2010 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 8:15pm:

Tony Abbott has flagged a return to the failed policies of the former Howard government..... "I do want to point out that every illegal boat arrival costs on average $82,000 to process," Mr Abbott said. A report by Oxfam and A Just Australia put the cost of the Pacific Solution, which saw asylum seekers detained on Manus Island and Nauru, at more than $1 billion over five years, or $500,000 per person. ::)

Pal, using 1984 language, after we have all read 1984, will not do. You are a couple of decades late with the  'it is so bcause I say so' schtick.

Failed policies of the Howard government - you mean the effective policies..

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 8:17pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 8:13pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 5:55pm: So an ex-politician says this is Gillard's fault and this is all the evidence that's needed?! There's such a tour de force of cognition on this issue! If a PM - the PM at any given time -  is not responsible -who is? What IS Gillard responsible for? She is the head of the government. Does that carry ANY responsibility for anything? Or is it just a licence to to flash in the company of hairdressers, god help us. ( A PM smacking her hairdresser!! How bogan can you be??) No wonder she look and sounds out of her depth. A post of school principal would already be iffy for her, with that 'concerned' bogan diction and complete lack of stature. With her, the saying is true: behind every woman is a man checking out her arse - and in her case, it is a full time job, considering the acres  of arse she is lugging around with her. SO is she responsible for these deaths? Yes. It can't be Abbott's fault or Howard's (were they in power, though, the same people who exonerate Gillard would be baying for their blood). It is Julia's  and Bangbang "What kind of a stupid name is THAT" Yudhoyone's fault, with villanous assitance from whoever is the Malay PM and the murderous gang of pricks causing mayhem in Sri Lanka, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan. ANd before you all rush to blame Bush's invasion - these places were murderous and despicable long before 2001 (Afghanistan) or 2003 (Iraq). In fact, they have never been BUT murderous and despicable. Are the people of these countries - including the  people on these boats - responsible for the moral and material squalor they have been living in? Yes. Blame the victim.....why not!!! ::)

Victim of what??

Soren wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 8:18pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 8:15pm: Tony Abbott has flagged a return to the failed policies of the former Howard government..... "I do want to point out that every illegal boat arrival costs on average $82,000 to process," Mr Abbott said. A report by Oxfam and A Just Australia put the cost of the Pacific Solution, which saw asylum seekers detained on Manus Island and Nauru, at more than $1 billion over five years, or $500,000 per person. ::) Pal, using 1984 language, after we have all read 1984, will not do. You are a couple of decades late with the  'it is so bcause I say so' schtick. Failed policies of the Howard government - you mean the effective policies..

Asylum seekers living in the community

In 1997, the Howard Coalition Government introduced new laws preventing asylum seekers from obtaining income support or permission to work (thus leaving them without Medicare coverage) if they do not lodge an application for asylum within 45 days of arrival. While intended to deter non-genuine applicants, this policy left many genuine asylum applicants totally dependenton charities for food, clothing, housing and medicalhelp. Many already suffer from previous health complaints and cannot properly recover without adequate
health care.

Temporary Protection Visas

In 1999, the Coalition Government issued new laws denying people landing in Australia without a visa the right to apply for permanent refugee status for three years. Other policies also sought to restrict Permanent Protection Visas to asylum seekers who applied overseas or who entered Australia with a visa. For example, even once found to be genuine refugees, those who had originally arrived without a visa were only eligible for a three-year Temporary Protection Visa. These visas contained numerous restrictions, and effectively left people who had been found to be genuine refugees with no certainty about their future. This policy was discontinued in 2008 as part of the newly-installed Labor Government’s changes to the immigration system.


The policies were a failure and members of Howards own party refused to support the policy of persecution.....but do not let the truth interfere with your rant mate!!!

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 8:26pm:

The policies were a failure and members of Howards own party refused to support the policy of persecution.....

Really? Do you have any linky for that?

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"MOST OF THE LEFT" really , name them. I have not read one comment from a so called "left" commentator that backs up your assertion. What I have read are commentators such as Mike Carlton say what most lefties here say, this was a horrible accident but nothing we do will stop people fleeing war zones for a safer life.He then went on to say what an asswipe the likes of Andrew Bolt is to try and turn this into a political wedge when the likes of you and the other rightards here were silent when 300 plus people died on one boat whilst Howard was PM, total silence.

-Skippy

Most of the left think that the Gillard governments policies on Asylum seekers is a pathetic weak attempt to placate the xenophobic lunatics that Howard and Co whipped up into a frenzy of hatred and fear with their lies that refugees are all terrorists and queue jumpers, and her fault is she has not openly vilified these loons, as they deserve to be vilified, they are not decent human beings.
They are selfish hypocrites lacking in empathy, or compassion, and most definitely bereft of understanding.

Hands up all those who are claiming Gillard has blood on her hands now, that also said the same about Howard???

Care about the people who died?
I seriously doubt that, they are far too busy trying to make political ground on the issue to actually give two cents for the life of people they label as either a queue jumper or terrorist.

xenophobic lunatics?!

mozzaok wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 9:23pm:

Most of the left think that the Gillard governments policies on Asylum seekers is a pathetic weak attempt to placate the xenophobic lunatics that Howard and Co whipped up into a frenzy of hatred and fear with their lies that refugees are all terrorists and queue jumpers, and her fault is she has not openly vilified these loons, as they deserve to be vilified, they are not decent human beings. They are selfish hypocrites lacking in empathy, or compassion, and most definitely bereft of understanding. Hands up all those who are claiming Gillard has blood on her hands now, that also said the same about Howard??? Care about the people who died? I seriously doubt that, they are far too busy trying to make political ground on the issue to actually give two cents for the life of people they label as either a queue jumper or terrorist.

Let's give the entire human race duel Australian citizenship and let those who feel they should live here come and live here.

Would that make you happy?

Because that is, in the end, what you are nudging for: the decision of who can enter Australia should belongs to those who wish to enter and nobody else.

Christ, are you guys still going on with this? You've all given your opinions a billion times before. How many more times can you rehash the same arguments over and over again?

Give it up. Who are you trying to convince here?

JC Denton wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 9:38pm:

Christ, are you guys still going on with this? You've all given your opinions a billion times before. How many more times can you rehash the same arguments over and over again? Give it up. Who are you trying to convince here?

'Whatever' is a cool atitude only when you are 15.

Who gives a sh!t about these boat people losers. Let them die. Of all kinds of migration, the worst possible kind a nation can receive is the indiscriminate kind. As much as I don't like immigration policies that operate by looking at skills alone, they are infinitely superior to introducing random samples of third worlders into our society.

Soren wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 9:42pm:

JC Denton wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 9:38pm: Christ, are you guys still going on with this? You've all given your opinions a billion times before. How many more times can you rehash the same arguments over and over again? Give it up. Who are you trying to convince here? 'Whatever' is only a cool atitude when you are 15.

Yeah, except you can't get "whatever" from my response because I obviously do care abotu this and am concerned. The difference is that I see absolutely no point in talking about here anymore; and nor should you. What are you getting out of beating the same old arguments to Greens_Win and Mozzaok exactly?

They don't listen to you. You've said it a billion times before. I don't know why people find it enjoyable to argue the same thing over and over again with the same people; it's so montonous. I got sick of it a while ago.

So should you.

There are an awful lot of people who would like indiscriminate immigration. It is necessary to p!ss on their fervour every time they voice it.

JC Denton wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 9:44pm:

The difference is that I see absolutely no point in talking about here anymore

And yet....

You're not pissing on them. Your piss may as well be gasoline.

Oooh, there are still so many xenophobes and racists in our society.... this mentally confirms to us that we have so much work to do.

Soren wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 9:47pm:

JC Denton wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 9:44pm: The difference is that I see absolutely no point in talking about here anymore And yet....

We're talking about the merit of talking about it, not it itself. Totally different subject :D ;)

JC Denton wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 9:44pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 9:42pm: JC Denton wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 9:38pm: Christ, are you guys still going on with this? You've all given your opinions a billion times before. How many more times can you rehash the same arguments over and over again? Give it up. Who are you trying to convince here? 'Whatever' is only a cool atitude when you are 15. Yeah, except you can't get "whatever" from my response because I obviously do care abotu this and am concerned. The difference is that I see absolutely no point in talking about here anymore; and nor should you. What are you getting out of beating the same old arguments to Greens_Win and Mozzaok exactly? They don't listen to you. You've said it a billion times before. I don't know why people find it enjoyable to argue the same thing over and over again with the same people; it's so montonous. I got sick of it a while ago. So should you.

To be a lefty is to be neurotic. They don't listen to you but they think you are listening to them. And you are. So when they speak, you have to tell them what you have told them already. The attention span of lefties', like that of goldfish or children, is very limited. They operate on Emotional Correctness so they need to be corrected constantly.

I agree with you -- the left have more or less appropriated the term "open minded" as if it could only apply to them. But their open mindedness opens and closes on a very narrow range of opinions. It reminds me of those ridiculous commercials on television with the sequences of Aboriginals talking about how we have to respect "everybody's point of view, no matter how different".

You have to wonder how sincere they are about this.

JC Denton wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 9:47pm:

Your piss may as well be gasoline.

A GOOD THING. I like causing emotional incontinence. To a philosopher,  seeing people froth and burn up in righteous indignation is a confirmation of one's good works. A community service.

lol, well maybe. But I get tired of it after a while.

It may well be tiresome but we must do all we can to help humanity along. We are all simple and humble workers in God's wineyard. The pruning must go on.

I think some of us are noxious weeds that the pruners are just trying to remove.

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Soren wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 10:01pm:

A GOOD THING. I like causing emotional incontinence. To a philosopher,  seeing people froth and burn up in righteous indignation is a confirmation of one's good works. A community service.

LOL
So you're the culprit causing people to spontaneously combust!

Soren wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 8:13pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 18th, 2010 at 5:55pm: So an ex-politician says this is Gillard's fault and this is all the evidence that's needed?! There's such a tour de force of cognition on this issue! If a PM - the PM at any given time -  is not responsible -who is? What IS Gillard responsible for? She is the head of the government. Does that carry ANY responsibility for anything? Or is it just a licence to to flash in the company of hairdressers, god help us. ( A PM smacking her hairdresser!! How bogan can you be??) No wonder she look and sounds out of her depth. A post of school principal would already be iffy for her, with that 'concerned' bogan diction and complete lack of stature. With her, the saying is true: behind every woman is a man checking out her arse - and in her case, it is a full time job, considering the acres  of arse she is lugging around with her. SO is she responsible for these deaths? Yes. It can't be Abbott's fault or Howard's (were they in power, though, the same people who exonerate Gillard would be baying for their blood). It is Julia's  and Bangbang "What kind of a stupid name is THAT" Yudhoyone's fault, with villanous assitance from whoever is the Malay PM and the murderous gang of pricks causing mayhem in Sri Lanka, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan. ANd before you all rush to blame Bush's invasion - these places were murderous and despicable long before 2001 (Afghanistan) or 2003 (Iraq). In fact, they have never been BUT murderous and despicable. Are the people of these countries - including the  people on these boats - responsible for the moral and material squalor they have been living in? Yes.

Putting my comment in context, there's nothing in the link provided in the opening post that suggests Gillard is responsible. It's just a few quotes asserting she's to blame. It's quite easy to shout slogans like "guilty!" and "I blame so and so!", but at least give your audience the bare requisite of some evidence or argument.

However, where's the responsibility of those on the boat and the smugglers?

It's obvious you hate Gillard. I mean, who cares who she's banging, and who cares how big her arse is? What's that got to do with a boat load of people smashing into rocks and dying? Don't tell me you're going to link some kind of character reference to the two issues? That's ridiculous. That's even worse than Bolt's cause and effect argument. Using that "logic", we can blame the Iraq war on Howard's eyebrows.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 11:17am:

Putting my comment in context, there's nothing in the link provided in the opening post that suggests Gillard is responsible. It's just a few quotes asserting she's to blame. It's quite easy to shout slogans like "guilty!" and "I blame so and so!", but at least give your audience the bare requisite of some evidence or argument.

"Controversial former Australian politician Pauline Hanson says the government's weak policies on asylum seekers are to blame for the deaths of dozens of people off the coast of Christmas Island."

That is the opening paragraph in the article. if you plot the boat arrival numbers against policies, you will see that there is a direct causal link between weak policies and increased arrivals as well as policies discouiraging boats and reduced boat arrivals.

Gillard has been responsible for government policies since 2007, as Deputy PM and as PM. She IS the head of government and was the deputy head of government. You don't get more responsible for policies than that.


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However, where's the responsibility of those on the boat and the smugglers?

They wouldn't risk it if they didn't think the only thing at the end of the journey was deportation.


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It's obvious you hate Gillard. I mean, who cares who she's banging, and who cares how big her arse is? What's that got to do with a boat load of people smashing into rocks and dying? Don't tell me you're going to link some kind of character reference to the two issues? That's ridiculous. That's even worse than Bolt's cause and effect argument. Using that "logic", we can blame the Iraq war on Howard's eyebrows.

I think she is pathetically incompetent and completely out of her depth. Not because of the hair and the barber boyfriend and the arse - but these are symptoms of her inadequacy and trashy outlook. I certainly can't take her seriously as a national leader. She looks and sounds like the OH&S manager of a regional town council. SO she can't afford to be also incompetent. But she is.

Soren wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:54pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 20th, 2010 at 11:17am: Putting my comment in context, there's nothing in the link provided in the opening post that suggests Gillard is responsible. It's just a few quotes asserting she's to blame. It's quite easy to shout slogans like "guilty!" and "I blame so and so!", but at least give your audience the bare requisite of some evidence or argument. "Controversial former Australian politician Pauline Hanson says the government's weak policies on asylum seekers are to blame for the deaths of dozens of people off the coast of Christmas Island." That is the opening paragraph in the article. if you plot the boat arrival numbers against policies, you will see that there is a direct causal link between weak policies and increased arrivals as well as policies discouiraging boats and reduced boat arrivals. Gillard has been responsible for government policies since 2007, as Deputy PM and as PM. She IS the head of government and was the deputy head of government. You don't get more responsible for policies than that. Quote: However, where's the responsibility of those on the boat and the smugglers? They wouldn't risk it if they didn't think the only thing at the end of the journey was deportation. [quote] It's obvious you hate Gillard. I mean, who cares who she's banging, and who cares how big her arse is? What's that got to do with a boat load of people smashing into rocks and dying? Don't tell me you're going to link some kind of character reference to the two issues? That's ridiculous. That's even worse than Bolt's cause and effect argument. Using that "logic", we can blame the Iraq war on Howard's eyebrows.

I think she is pathetically incompetent and completely out of her depth. Not because of the hair and the barber boyfriend and the arse - but these are symptoms of her inadequacy and trashy outlook. I certainly can't take her seriously as a national leader. She looks and sounds like the OH&S manager of a regional town council. SO she can't afford to be also incompetent. But she is.



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Yes all that is true Soren, but don't you find her duck waddle walk amusingly embarrasing?

What about that striped jacket.....surely she could afford something a little more flattering!!

I think she is pathetically incompetent and completely out of her depth. Not because of the hair and the barber boyfriend and the arse - but these are symptoms of her inadequacy and trashy outlook. I certainly can't take her seriously as a national leader. She looks and sounds like the OH&S manager of a regional town council. SO she can't afford to be also incompetent. But she is.

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god I would hope we have grown up enough on this forum not to take someones appearance into account of their adequacy to do the job of a Prime Minister for godsakes.

as a national leader she bombs thats all there is too it..

Maggie Thatcher she aint and H. Clinton she never will be..

those girls exude power.. like em or not..you have to respect them.

and for the life of me gillard leaves so much wanting.. I am almost sure ,and I would take bets on it if I could...

those behind the assassination in favour of gillard regret their move...

I bet they are shaking their heads and saying "what did we do"??..

from the pan into the fire as they say.

btw havent see any polls for a while.

beware wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 7:01pm:

What about that striped jacket.....surely she could afford something a little more flattering!!

She either made it herself or she's been raiding the St Vinnie bins again.