Habib loses appeal for new passport
Posted 17 minutes ago

Map: Sydney 2000 The Federal Court has dismissed an attempt by former Guantanamo Bay detainee Mamdouh Habib to get a new Australian passport. .

He appealed after the Department of Foreign Affairs refused to issue him one in August.

A Sydney judge has quashed an appeal against the decision.

Mr Habib's earlier passport was cancelled

How many TAXPAYER FUNDED Appeals can he get  though ,in our cockeyed legal system ?

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Habib, Hicks 'met in al-Qaeda camp'
February 17, 2005 - 5:44AM

Former Guantanamo Bay detainee Mamdouh Habib and terror suspect David Hicks met at an al-Qaeda propaganda training camp in Kabul before September 11, 2001, it was reported.

Quoting "a high-level source", the Daily Telegraph said both Australians were in the Afghan capital receiving training from senior members of Osama bin Laden's terrorist group when their paths crossed.

The training ran for several days and included a tour by Habib of key sites around the city, the report said.

The 2001 trip was Habib's second visit to terrorist training facilities in Afghanistan and his fifth overseas trip since 1998, it said.

Habib's first two-month visit to the country was in 2000.

It followed extensive training in mortar and firearms handling at a camp run by an al-Qaeda affiliate in neighbouring Pakistan, where Habib was detained by authorities in October 5, 2001.

According to the sources, Mr Habib professed his support for bin Laden well before September 11, 2001, with ASIO intercepting telephone conversations in which Habib said he wanted to be a jihad fighter.

In a paid interview with the Nine network's 60 Minutes program on Sunday, Mr Habib detailed allegations that he was tortured and abused while in US custody, on suspicion of training with terrorists.

However, he refused to say whether he was in Afghanistan before his arrest or what he was doing there.

Australian Federal Police (AFP) Commissioner Mick Keelty told a senate estimates committee hearing Mr Habib had trained with a Pakistan-based terrorist group and had planned to work as an al-Qaeda mercenary in Afghanistan.

Source: http://www.theage.com.au/news/Nation...500178938.html

It all seems such a long time ago !


Refresh my memory ...


WHat was he convicted of again ?

We owe this sleaze nothing, if not a fast traveling, small spinning, hollow pointed lump of jacketed lead.

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 5^th, 2010 at 3:32pm:

It all seems such a long time ago ! Refresh my memory ... WHat was he convicted of again ?

HERE we go !




Mamdouh Habib went to Pakistan in 2001, on a journey that would change his whole life.
Mr Habib went, according to his wife, because he was thinking about resettling in Pakistan and wanted to look at schools for his children.

Instead he was hauled off a bus, detained in Pakistan, Egypt and Afghanistan, before being flown to the US prison camp at Guantanamo.

During nearly three years of detention there, he was accused by the US - though never charged - of training militants and of having prior knowledge of the 11 September 2001 attacks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4214747.stm


But his supporters have consistently denied all these allegations, and say he was caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time.

His lawyer, Stephen Hopper, told an Australian current affairs programme last year: "I believe that Mr Habib was picked up in a general sweep in Pakistan in the lead-up to the war in Afghanistan. I believe that perhaps his documents weren't in proper order and he was taken in for further questioning. At this stage either Australian intelligence officials or the CIA got involved and life went downhill dramatically for Mr Habib at that stage."







I've ALWAYS wondered why he was never charged with any crime - despite all this "EVIDENCE" against him ?

Poor Habib Buzz, just an innocent bystander doing a tour of the schools.

Elvis will be here in a minute, I`ll ask him if he knows Habib.

Habib declined to comment on whether or not he had been to Afghanistan.

Perhaps you should read this, he was definitely mentally unstable, well before 2001.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamdouh_Habib

aussiefree2ride wrote on Nov 5^th, 2010 at 4:00pm:

Poor Habib Buzz, just an innocent bystander doing a tour of the schools.

Perhaps SO ?
There seems to be NOTHING to indicate otherwise

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 5^th, 2010 at 4:32pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Nov 5th, 2010 at 4:00pm: Poor Habib Buzz, just an innocent bystander doing a tour of the schools. Perhaps SO ? There seems to be NOTHING to indicate otherwise

But there is the big problam of 'reasonable doubt' working against the poor martyr.
Watchagonna do?

On January 11, the day before his charges were scheduled to be laid, Dana Priest at the Washington Post published a front-page story giving Habib's side of the story, and detailing his rendition and torture. Later that day, the American government announced they would not be charging Habib after all, and would agree to release him to Australia.[2] Australian Attorney-General Phillip Ruddock announced that Habib would be repatriated within days.

A special plane was chartered by the Australian government (for approximately $500,000) to fly Habib home because the US would not allow him to travel on an ordinary commercial flight.[16] Habib was released by the US Military and returned to Australia on 28 January 2005. With Habib back home, Australian officials have revoked his passport, say he remains under suspicion, and warn his activities will be constantly monitored to ensure he does not become a security threat. He has not been charged and remains relatively free.

The Australian government also wants to prevent Habib being paid by the media for interviews or "making profits from committing a crime" even though he has not been convicted of any crime by any country (it is important to note whilst anti-terrorism laws in Australia currently make it illegal to be involved in terrorist organisations, Habib was already in custody when these laws were introduced and so he cannot be convicted under them). The then Australian Prime Minister, John Howard, ruled out any apology to Habib.

Habib told his family everything that had happened since he left Sydney in July 2001. Just in case something bad happens to him, he said, "I want them to know fully everything".

On 22 August 2005 Habib was allegedly attacked by three men with a knife while walking with his wife near his home in Guildford.[17]

He told police that he was followed by a car that cut its headlights as he and his wife, Maha, went for a walk just after midnight, and that as the men ran away the person holding the knife had yelled "something like 'this should keep you quiet"'.

On 29 March 2006, Habib and his son Moustafa said that they witnessed the aftermath of a double murder in the Sydney suburb of Granville. When they reported the murder to police, Habib alleges they were abused, assaulted and interrogated by police officers. On 3 April, he announced he intended to sue New South Wales Police for false imprisonment and assault.[18]

On 11 June 2007 the Australian Broadcasting Commission's (ABC) investigative journalism program Four Corners aired a documentary on extraordinary renditions, much of which focussed on Habib's case.[19]

On 7 March 2008 Habib lost his defamation case against Nationwide News, publisher of The Daily Telegraph. Justice Peter McClellan found Habib was "prone to exaggerate", "evasive" and had made claims about mistreatment in Pakistan and Egypt which could not be sustained. He found that "Habib's claims that he was seriously mistreated in the place of detention in Islamabad cannot be accepted" and "that this evidence was given in order to enhance his forensic position in the present litigation."

Habib will appear in a ten minute play Waiting For Mamdouh, in which he will deliver monologues about his time in detention, at the Short+Sweet theatrical festival in Sydney in February 2010.[20][21]

[edit] Entrance into Australian politics



hey half a million to fly him back I bet he never even said thankyou..

if he was born in Egypt why doesnt he apply for one of their passports.. I am sure we dont want him living off us for the rest of his life.

maybe give him an exit passport only...if only..lol

Soren wrote on Nov 5^th, 2010 at 5:02pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 5th, 2010 at 4:32pm: aussiefree2ride wrote on Nov 5th, 2010 at 4:00pm: Poor Habib Buzz, just an innocent bystander doing a tour of the schools. Perhaps SO ? There seems to be NOTHING to indicate otherwise But there is the big problam of 'reasonable doubt' working against the poor martyr. Watchagonna do?

Australia is subject to the rule of law. The essence of the rule of law is that all authority is subject to, and constrained by, law. The source of law-making authority is the Constitution, and the law, including the common law as developed by the courts, must conform and be consistent with the Constitution.

The rule of law means that each citizen is equal before the law; that laws must be predictable and known to all and that laws must be fair and apply equally to the government as well as those it governs. This includes the openness of courts, judicial independence from government and a presumption of innocence.

http://www.treasury.gov.au/documents/1197/HTML/docshell.asp?URL=Preconditions-03.asp




Maybe we could DICK that bullshit - and embrace the Indonesian "guilty until proven innocent" model ?

not much sympathy here... you hang around with terrorists and go to training camps then frankly... i dont care.

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2010 at 5:38pm:

not much sympathy here... you hang around with terrorists and go to training camps then frankly... i dont care.

I have been looking but cant find anything on how much this man has cost us..he has got more legal iad than anyone I have ever heard of.and still he keeps asking for more.they should have left him in Guantanamo.do his muslim brothers help him out???.

There's nothing to stop him from just swimming back to his homeland


bwaaaaaahaaaaa

codswal wrote on Nov 5^th, 2010 at 6:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 5th, 2010 at 5:38pm: not much sympathy here... you hang around with terrorists and go to training camps then frankly... i dont care. I have been looking but cant find anything on how much this man has cost us..he has got more legal iad than anyone I have ever heard of.and still he keeps asking for more.they should have left him in Guantanamo.do his muslim brothers help him out???.

We have to choose, we can have sympathy for these creeps, or we can have survival, we can`t have both. Our resources aren`t endless, but the cue of these arseholes is.

REPOST ...




buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 5^th, 2010 at 3:32pm:

It all seems such a long time ago ! Refresh my memory ... What was he convicted of again ?

codswal wrote on Nov 5^th, 2010 at 6:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 5th, 2010 at 5:38pm: not much sympathy here... you hang around with terrorists and go to training camps then frankly... i dont care. I have been looking but cant find anything on how much this man has cost us..he has got more legal iad than anyone I have ever heard of.and still he keeps asking for more.they should have left him in Guantanamo.do his muslim brothers help him out???.

By drawing out the judicial process, and appealing court decisions, he is gaining sort after publicity. He is a sort after prize, tool... for both the Muslim community, and the ALP. Mr persecuted who has all intentions of cashing in on his experience of what he describes as being a miscarriage of justice and abuse of powers. He and the leftards will milk it for all it's worth, because GALP support is waining.

On January 11, the day before his charges were scheduled to be laid, Dana Priest at the Washington Post published a front-page story giving Habib's side of the story.

In the March 2007 New South Wales state election, Habib stood as an independent candidate in the safe Labor seat of Auburn in Sydney.

In November 2008, Habib released a book co-written with Julia Collingwood titled My Story: The Tale of a Terrorist Who Wasn't detailing his experiences

Could it be that he is milking our justice system in order to gain more publicity?

A special plane was chartered by the Australian government (for approximately $500,000) to fly Habib home because the US would not allow him to travel on an ordinary commercial flight.


Habib has become quite the victimised celebrity, and similarly, David Hicks has followed his lead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamdouh_Habib

But while we are talking about this, we aren't talking about Julia, as the truly red-necked among us like nothing more than to tuck into headlines like this.

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 5^th, 2010 at 7:03pm:

REPOST ... buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 5th, 2010 at 3:32pm: It all seems such a long time ago ! Refresh my memory ... What was he convicted of again ?

Exactly, who cares!

8-)

he has a big nose so get rid of him!

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 5^th, 2010 at 5:32pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 5th, 2010 at 5:02pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 5th, 2010 at 4:32pm: aussiefree2ride wrote on Nov 5th, 2010 at 4:00pm: Poor Habib Buzz, just an innocent bystander doing a tour of the schools. Perhaps SO ? There seems to be NOTHING to indicate otherwise But there is the big problam of 'reasonable doubt' working against the poor martyr. Watchagonna do? Australia is subject to the rule of law. The essence of the rule of law is that all authority is subject to, and constrained by, law. The source of law-making authority is the Constitution, and the law, including the common law as developed by the courts, must conform and be consistent with the Constitution. The rule of law means that each citizen is equal before the law; that laws must be predictable and known to all and that laws must be fair and apply equally to the government as well as those it governs. This includes the openness of courts, judicial independence from government and a presumption of innocence. http://www.treasury.gov.au/documents/1197/HTML/docshell.asp?URL=Preconditions-03.asp Maybe we could DICK that bullshit - and embrace the Indonesian "guilty until proven innocent" model ?

He was not detained by Australian authorities. He was not imperisoned in Australia.  He was not subject to trial under Australian law.

Watchagonna do?

mellie wrote on Nov 5^th, 2010 at 7:04pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 5th, 2010 at 7:03pm: REPOST ... buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 5th, 2010 at 3:32pm: It all seems such a long time ago ! Refresh my memory ... What was he convicted of again ? Exactly, who cares! 8-)

Evidence, charges, lack of charges, guilt or innocence - all IRRELEVENT

We JUST need a "terrorist scalp"

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 5^th, 2010 at 7:03pm:

REPOST ... [quote author=buzzanddidj link=1288927389/0#3 date=1288935178]It all seems such a long time ago ! Refresh my memory ... What was he convicted of again ?

He was released before his trial. So?

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 5^th, 2010 at 7:11pm:

mellie wrote on Nov 5th, 2010 at 7:04pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 5th, 2010 at 7:03pm: REPOST ... buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 5th, 2010 at 3:32pm: It all seems such a long time ago ! Refresh my memory ... What was he convicted of again ? Exactly, who cares! 8-) Evidence, charges, lack of charges, guilt or innocence - all IRRELEVENT We JUST need a "terrorist scalp"

He does not need to be convicted under Australian law to be deemed a threat.
Very sensible, if you ask any ordinary person.

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 5^th, 2010 at 7:03pm:

Refresh my memory ... What was he convicted of again ?

He's over 50, Egyptian Muslim AND he's had a pony tail. That's worth AT LEAST 20 years.

What else you got?

He does not need to be convicetd under Australian law to be deemed a threat.
Very sensible, if you ask any ordinary person


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some wont accept that untill we have our very own 9/11..then not even then if they can help it..

me I would sooner be safe than sorry.. this guy should be thanking his lucky stars he lives in this country instead he is out to bleed it for everything he can, I just dont like or respect people like that I am afraid.

Mamdouh - that 5 years right there.

with the size of his big nose he probably has about 2-3 families of terrorists living up each nostril!

Soren wrote on Nov 5^th, 2010 at 7:11pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 5th, 2010 at 7:03pm: REPOST ... [quote author=buzzanddidj link=1288927389/0#3 date=1288935178]It all seems such a long time ago ! Refresh my memory ... What was he convicted of again ? He was released before his trial. So?

He served the SENTENCE before his trial

News of UK detainee payout buoys Habib
By David Mark
Posted 1 hour 41 minutes ago

The lawyer for former Guantanamo Bay detainee Mamdouh Habib says his client will be buoyed by reports the UK government is preparing to make a payout to former prisoners.

Several British media organisations including the BBC say the UK will soon announce millions of dollars in out-of-court settlements to the British nationals, who took civil action against their government.

Around a dozen former Guantanamo detainees accused the UK government of being complicit in their unlawful imprisonment and torture while in captivity.

The UK government says the payouts are aimed at preventing the release of sensitive security information.

Sydney resident Mr Habib is suing the Australian Government in the Federal Court in a case that has some similarities to those in Britain.

"He was arrested by the Pakistani police in Pakistan in about September '01 ... and on the same bus were two German nationals. All of them were of Arabic or Egyptian origin," Mr Habib's lawyer, Clive Evatt, said.

"The German government, when the two German nationals were arrested and taken into custody, just put a bit of pressure on the Pakistani government and they were released.

"But Mr Habib was kept by the Pakistani police, tortured. The Australian Government did nothing for him"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/11/16/3068199.htm

Considering the US still considers him a risk, the Australian government is within their rights to reject the passport.

A passport is a priviledge, not a right.

Verge wrote on Nov 16^th, 2010 at 9:23pm:

Considering the US still considers him a risk ...

I wouldn't take too much on board from US standards of judgement in these matters ...



Mandela taken off US terror list
Tuesday, 1 July 2008

US President George W Bush has signed a bill removing Nelson Mandela and South African leaders from the US terror watch list, officials say.

Mr Mandela and ANC party members will now be able to visit the US without a waiver from the secretary of state.

A US senator said the new legislation was a step towards removing the "shame of dishonouring this great leader".


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7484517.stm