* Staff continually get facts wrong
   * Third of decisions overturned
   * Appeals cost taxpayers $33m a year

CENTRELINK has been forced to overturn more than a third of its decisions because staff continually get facts and legal advice wrong.

Complaints about Centrelink decisions surged 104 per cent in the last two years, making it the most complained about government agency in the country, the Welfare Rights Centre said.

Appeals against Centrelink's decisions cost taxpayers more than $33 million a year. More than one-third, 34.5 per cent, of its decisions were overturned on appeal, The Daily Telegraph reports.




More than 6.5 million Australians receive some form of payment from Centrelink each year.

In the 12 months to July 2009 there were 103,427 reviews of and complaints about Centrelink decisions.

The number of internal Centrelink reviews of its own decisions more than doubled from 40,474 in 2006-07 to 82,774 in 2008-09.

There were 13,429 applications to the Social Security Appeals Tribunal in 2008-09, up 56 per cent in the last two years.

In the same period the Ombudsman received 7224 approaches and complaints about Centrelink.

The largest number of complaints to the Ombudsman were from people on Newstart Allowance, followed by Disability Support Pension, Family tax Benefit and the age pension.

The Social Security Appeals Tribunal annual report found that 33.1 per cent of Centrelink's decisions it overturned involved an error of fact, and 14.7 per cent involved an error of law.

"As a legal centre we are puzzled by the lack of public outrage or scrutiny of this result, but you have to remember that we are dealing with some of the most vulnerable people in the community," Welfare Rights director Maree O'Halloran said.

"It is hard to reconcile the fact that over 30 per cent of decisions are found to be wrong, with Centrelink's own survey results which claim Centrelink has a payment correctness figure of 96 per cent."

The surge in complaints led to a 27 per cent - or $7 million increase - in the Social Security Appeals Tribunal's budget.

The tribunal spent $33.2 million in 2008-09 and the average cost of each appeal against a Centrelink decision was $1992.

The one subject you can probably speak with authority on Crook and still no comment; just the usual dump and run.

"The largest number of complaints to the Ombudsman were from people on Newstart Allowance, followed by Disability Support Pension, Family tax Benefit and the age pension."



"As a legal centre we are puzzled by the lack of public outrage or scrutiny of this result, but you have to remember that we are dealing with some of the most vulnerable people in the community," Welfare Rights director Maree O'Halloran said."


Not really surprising when you think that the great unthinking 'general public'
have been brainwashed into thinking that those on welfare (as opposed to WEALTHfare)
are somehow undeserving, or are in the situation they are in because of their own fault, or are just bludgers who don't matter.

ACOSS and the Welfare Rights Centre need to do more to educate the great uncaring that these stereotypes have no basis in fact.

Well there is a large slice of Australian Culture that percieves the act of being 'poor' as an excuse to be 'nasty'.
Take the Tale of Two Cities for example: Melbourne & Sydney
I have lived in both.
In Sydney, I somehow percieve the rich as being hardworking and nice, but the poor as being nasty and ungrateful.
In Melbourne is is the reverse.
How do I come to this perception?

Well maybe it is the 'Police' factor?
I think Sydney Police are culturally brought up to aim for the top and hence why the 'Upper Class' are on their best behaviour ...and probably why you get 'riots' at street-level in Sydney and the Cops aren't really trained to meet such adversity.
In Melbourne, the so-called Westie (or Bogun) comes across a bit more behaved, possibly due to the Police being very 'street-level' culturally (Hell, I think if we had Melbourne Cops in Mt Druitt - I think things would have been a lot different) ...and probably why crime is more 'organised' in the Upper Class of Melb' and guys like Packer, Rivkin, Skase, Grollo Bros, etc prefer Melbourne. Although brought up in the rough and tumble of Mt Druitt -Houso capital of Australia, west of Sydney ...I was always thinking twice about catching a train out to Heidelberg around Melbourne, for fear of the 'rich' boys "Cruisng this neighbourhood and think 'clubbing' is done with a length of wood" (TISM).

I would take a guess then that the majority of complaints against Centrelink emanate from the Sydney 'culture' and these would be indeed the ungrateful scumbags that is so cliche'. They can be so bad that they rob other poor people rather than get some balls and take a pot shot at the Lodge.

I think it`s amazing that people can be unemployed and still get paid, still get medical care etc.

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 1:41pm:

I think it`s amazing that people can be unemployed and still get paid, still get medical care etc.

Much better that they sleep under bridges, sell their bodies, beg for food, clothing and money and/or rob other citizens to survive - and spread preventable and curable diseases in the process, eh!?

How about some of them increase the value of your residence, by residing and carking it on your own doorstep!?

Kat wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 7:47am:

"The largest number of complaints to the Ombudsman were from people on Newstart Allowance, followed by Disability Support Pension, Family tax Benefit and the age pension." "As a legal centre we are puzzled by the lack of public outrage or scrutiny of this result, but you have to remember that we are dealing with some of the most vulnerable people in the community," Welfare Rights director Maree O'Halloran said." Not really surprising when you think that the great unthinking 'general public' have been brainwashed into thinking that those on welfare (as opposed to WEALTHfare) are somehow undeserving, or are in the situation they are in because of their own fault, or are just bludgers who don't matter. ACOSS and the Welfare Rights Centre need to do more to educate the great uncaring that these stereotypes have no basis in fact.

So these people will at some point in the near future come off welfare and actually look after themselves instead of having the taxpayer do it for them?

If that is the case, they will have nothing to complain about, if they intend to live out their entire lives on welfare, looks like they will be complaining a little longer.

Equitist wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 1:47pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 22nd, 2010 at 1:41pm: I think it`s amazing that people can be unemployed and still get paid, still get medical care etc. Much better that they sleep under bridges, sell their bodies, beg for food, clothing and money and/or rob other citizens to survive - and spread preventable and curable diseases in the process, eh!? How about some of them increase the value of your residence, by residing and carking it on your own doorstep!?

Equatits, communicating with you only results in a sensation of futility, due to the difficulty you have in grasping even the simplest, most obvious of points.

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 1:57pm:

Equitist wrote on Sep 22nd, 2010 at 1:47pm: aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 22nd, 2010 at 1:41pm: I think it`s amazing that people can be unemployed and still get paid, still get medical care etc. Much better that they sleep under bridges, sell their bodies, beg for food, clothing and money and/or rob other citizens to survive - and spread preventable and curable diseases in the process, eh!? How about some of them increase the value of your residence, by residing and carking it on your own doorstep!? Equatits, communicating with you only results in a sensation of futility, due to the difficulty you have in grasping even the simplest, most obvious of points.

Huh!?

It amazes me too, though I still consider it absurd when you get people like Kataya and Crook running around this forum acting like access to welfare payments is a fundamental, intrinsic human right.

aikmann4 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 2:21pm:

It amazes me too, though I still consider it absurd when you get people like Kataya and Crook running around this forum acting like access to welfare payments is a fundamental, intrinsic human right.

Imp, if you speak to any socialist they will tell you that unlimited access to welfare from cradle to grave is as fundamental as the air we breathe.

The best part it is always someone else (PBT) that has to pay for it.

Along with being a lifetime dole recipient we must also provide them with unlimited respect and sympathy.

Lucky I don't give a shiat what the leftards think.  ;D

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 1:41pm:

I think it`s amazing that people can be unemployed and still get paid, still get medical care etc.

you'd like to see them dying in the street, maybe?
not a good look for tourists, etc.
j.

I too frown on the bludgers, but if ya don't give 'em the dole, do you think thye'd just lay down and die?

Nope, they'll just rob ya, which would be all well and good if we were allowed to defend ourselves and our property.

aikmann4 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 2:21pm:

It amazes me too, though I still consider it absurd when you get people like Kataya and Crook running around this forum acting like access to welfare payments is a fundamental, intrinsic human right.

What the hell's wrong with sticking up for the disadvantaged?

Or having SOME sort of social conscience?

What's absurd about understanding that the unemployed are NOT being given a fair go?

Or not being mean-spirited?

How does that make me some kind of 'lesser' person?

Kat wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 4:13pm:

What the hell's wrong with sticking up for the disadvantaged? Or having SOME sort of social conscience? What's absurd about understanding that the unemployed are NOT being given a fair go? Or not being mean-spirited? How does that make me some kind of 'lesser' person?

Unfortunately, some cannot interpret any form of communication that doesn't involve dollar sign language - empathy does not compute!

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 2:30pm:

aikmann4 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2010 at 2:21pm: It amazes me too, though I still consider it absurd when you get people like Kataya and Crook running around this forum acting like access to welfare payments is a fundamental, intrinsic human right. Imp, if you speak to any socialist they will tell you that unlimited access to welfare from cradle to grave is as fundamental as the air we breathe. The best part it is always someone else (PBT) that has to pay for it. Along with being a lifetime dole recipient we must also provide them with unlimited respect and sympathy. Lucky I don't give a shiat what the leftards think.  ;D

This one can't get his head around the FACT that most unemployed
have NOT been unemployed 'for life', and HAVE, in fact, worked
and PAID TAX for most of their lives.

Howard's 'dole-bludger' lies have found a good home with this one, he
believes spurious propaganda over demonstrated fact.

People like this will never change, and are probably best ignored.

Quote:

What the hell's wrong with sticking up for the disadvantaged?

Nothing? Point is, reading a lot of the posts from you and Crook on this forum gives me the impression that the only real interest is getting welfare payments increased. Maybe I'm being unfair on you, but Crook seems like a congenital parasite to me. It is evident he is not really interested in looking for work.


Quote:

What's absurd about understanding that the unemployed are NOT being given a fair go?

I agree! My preferred approach to addressing the quandries of the long term unemployed is not to focus on increasing the dole payment (how is that going to help the unemployed find work?) but to improve the efficency of the apparatuses that are apparently supposed to be helping people find work.


Quote:

How does that make me some kind of 'lesser' person?

Stop emoting.

Kat wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 4:19pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2010 at 2:30pm: aikmann4 wrote on Sep 22nd, 2010 at 2:21pm: It amazes me too, though I still consider it absurd when you get people like Kataya and Crook running around this forum acting like access to welfare payments is a fundamental, intrinsic human right. Imp, if you speak to any socialist they will tell you that unlimited access to welfare from cradle to grave is as fundamental as the air we breathe. The best part it is always someone else (PBT) that has to pay for it. Along with being a lifetime dole recipient we must also provide them with unlimited respect and sympathy. Lucky I don't give a shiat what the leftards think.  ;D This one can't get his head around the FACT that most unemployed have NOT been unemployed 'for life', and HAVE, in fact, worked and PAID TAX for most of their lives. Howard's 'dole-bludger' lies have found a good home with this one, he believes spurious propaganda over demonstrated fact. People like this will never change, and are probably best ignored.

Is english your second language or are you just trolling for a reaction?

I never stated that all welfare recipients were cradle to grave dole bludgers, read it a couple of times if it helps.

I made a specific statement about a particular sub set of dole recipients who live their entire lives on the dole and how the leftards wholey support these parasites with excuses and sympathy.

It's is one thing to have a social concience, it is another to be taken for a sucker.

BTW, I friggen hate the little nazi, howard

aikmann4 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 4:25pm:

Quote: What the hell's wrong with sticking up for the disadvantaged? Nothing? Point is, reading a lot of the posts from you and Crook on this forum gives me the impression that the only real interest is getting welfare payments increased. Maybe I'm being unfair on you, but Crook seems like a congenital parasite to me. It is evident he is not really interested in looking for work. [quote]What's absurd about understanding that the unemployed are NOT being given a fair go?

I agree! My preferred approach to addressing the quandries of the long term unemployed is not to focus on increasing the dole payment (how is that going to help the unemployed find work?) but to improve the efficency of the apparatuses that are apparently supposed to be helping people find work.


Quote:

How does that make me some kind of 'lesser' person?

Stop emoting.[/quote]



It probably won't, but it would help them pay the rent and the bills,
and buy enough to eat. The costs of all of these essentials have skyrocketed out of
all proportion to the amount the unemployed receive.

This is my point, not just to have them living the 'high-life'.


BTW, for those thinking otherwise, I DO have a job, in the construction industry.

For those of you truly interested in Centrelink corruption, refer to...

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1284708278

Of have you just come here for a reaction?

I scratch a living doing shady deals with painting pictures and garden design.  I have no interest in Centrelink ... my Pension is elsewhere. :)

Blythe Spirit wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 5:51pm:

I scratch a living doing shady deals with painting pictures and garden design.  I have no interest in Centrelink ... my Pension is elsewhere. :)

They need to clamp down on these welfare cheats, welfare should be for the poor, not those who set out to exploit the system, this and get paid to do so.

Social welfare is everyone's problem, because the billions of dollars disappearing into thin air is costing tax-payers dearly, even if you yourself don't claim any sort of benefit...you're still indirectly paying for others who do.

Wouldn't you rather see this money going into something more productive?

Hospitals, schools, environmental projects, (the genuine variety).

We need to stop being so laid back, this is half the reason our countries in this mess.

::)

There is nothing absurd about it Imperium, the unemployed both long and short term have every right to their benefits.   Unemployment can happen to anyone anytime.  Those that are working today, could be the ones that are unemployed tomorrow.  It must be remembered that it is not just simply a matter of going to centrelink, and holding out your hand. There are rule that the unemployed must follow, in order to get their benefits.  Why is it that so many people blame the unemployed, for problems that they did not create?.  Excuse me please, we have just had the global world recession.  The worst since world war two.  How many of our manufacturing jobs have disappeared?.  All in the name of cheap overseas labor.      

mellie wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 5:59pm:

Blythe Spirit wrote on Sep 22nd, 2010 at 5:51pm: I scratch a living doing shady deals with painting pictures and garden design.  I have no interest in Centrelink ... my Pension is elsewhere. :) They need to clamp down on these welfare cheats, welfare should be for the poor, not those who set out to exploit the system, this and get paid to do so. Social welfare is everyone's problem, because the billions of dollars disappearing into thin air is costing tax-payers dearly, even if you yourself don't claim any sort of benefit...you're still indirectly paying for others who do. Wouldn't you rather see this money going into something more productive? Hospitals, schools, environmental projects, (the genuine variety). We need to stop being so laid back, this is half the reason our countries in this mess. ::)

I have no idea what you are talking about.  I have nothing to do with Centrelink.

wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 7:08pm:

There is nothing absurd about it Imperium, the unemployed both long and short term have every right to their benefits.   Unemployment can happen to anyone anytime.  Those that are working today, could be the ones that are unemployed tomorrow.  It must be remembered that it is not just simply a matter of going to centrelink, and holding out your hand. There are rule that the unemployed must follow, in order to get their benefits.  Why is it that so many people blame the unemployed, for problems that they did not create?.  Excuse me please, we have just had the global world recession.  The worst since world war two.  How many of our manufacturing jobs have disappeared?.  All in the name of cheap overseas labor.

Crook, your argument has more holes than a mosquito net.  As for manufacturing in Australia, try to consider the manufacturer`s position. Would you seriously employ people in this country?  You`d have to have rocks in your head.

mellie wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 4:44pm:

For those of you truly interested in Centrelink corruption, refer to... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1284708278 Of have you just come here for a reaction?

Sheesh, now you are quoting yourself as a source!

:D

Well then if they don't employ them, then I guess no one can complain when they line up at centrelink.  

Aussie wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 7:33pm:

mellie wrote on Sep 22nd, 2010 at 4:44pm: For those of you truly interested in Centrelink corruption, refer to... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1284708278 Of have you just come here for a reaction? Sheesh, now you are quoting yourself as a source! :D

No, I  posted a link to an article I posted the title of a book in, which delves into the ongoing corruption of our welfare system.

For those who are genuinely interested in delving into it further.

You posted a link to something written in 1998.  

 ;)


Quote:

which delves into the ongoing corruption of our welfare system.

'ongoing!'

:D

Though, if you would like me to post it again, this opposed to impressing the link...then here, by all means......

..... there's a book you may be lucky enough to get your hands on, it's called "One Man Banned" the best of Peter Sawyer, whistle blower  edited by Brian Wilshire.

It delves into the persecution of one public servant (worked at Centrelink) who dared to tell the truth, this and how he was screwed over by both sides of our government, our media, CIA, ASIO, and how our government at the time changed an Act to have him charged with "making a false and misleading statement with the intent of making a false and misleading statement" with the cooperation of the opposition, only to have reversed the act after his charges were dropped, under the 'forced' condition he pleaded guilty to the charge. He had been working with our federal police, and was told by our government that he would be rewarded generously(career wise, with back-pay for wages lost whilst assisting the federal police and government) for alerting them to the corruption and assisting them with a parliamentary and federal enquiry and "White Paper" of which was later disposed of.
It also talks about how on September 25th, 1991, Governor General, Bill Hayden, using the excuse of the external affairs powers, gave Royal Assent to the International Government on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR), and how this is effectively Australia's new Bill Of Rights. It became operative on Christmas day, 1991.

* The right to private property ..GONE
*The right to freedom of assembly...GONE
*The right to freedom of speech..GONE
*Freedom from unwarranted search...GONE
*The right to trial by jury....GONE
*Freedom from unjust imprisonment...GONE



.... refer to chapter 1: The Freedom Fighter.
_______________________________________________

When injustice becomes law,
resistance becomes a duty!

Anon.

From a mural in Garema Place Canberra.

Quote:

It also talks about how on September 25th, 1991, Governor General, Bill Hayden, using the excuse of the external affairs powers, gave Royal Assent to the International Government on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR), and how this is effectively Australia's new Bill Of Rights. It became operative on Christmas day, 1991. * The right to private property ..GONE *The right to freedom of assembly...GONE *The right to freedom of speech..GONE *Freedom from unwarranted search...GONE *The right to trial by jury....GONE *Freedom from unjust imprisonment...GONE

Show me the Act, with a link please?

Aussie post generator

Smart/incoherent comment

[smiley]

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 9:10am:

Well there is a large slice of Australian Culture that percieves the act of being 'poor' as an excuse to be 'nasty'. Take the Tale of Two Cities for example: Melbourne & Sydney I have lived in both. In Sydney, I somehow percieve the rich as being hardworking and nice, but the poor as being nasty and ungrateful. In Melbourne is is the reverse. How do I come to this perception? Well maybe it is the 'Police' factor? I think Sydney Police are culturally brought up to aim for the top and hence why the 'Upper Class' are on their best behaviour ...and probably why you get 'riots' at street-level in Sydney and the Cops aren't really trained to meet such adversity. In Melbourne, the so-called Westie (or Bogun) comes across a bit more behaved, possibly due to the Police being very 'street-level' culturally (Hell, I think if we had Melbourne Cops in Mt Druitt - I think things would have been a lot different) ...and probably why crime is more 'organised' in the Upper Class of Melb' and guys like Packer, Rivkin, Skase, Grollo Bros, etc prefer Melbourne. Although brought up in the rough and tumble of Mt Druitt -Houso capital of Australia, west of Sydney ...I was always thinking twice about catching a train out to Heidelberg around Melbourne, for fear of the 'rich' boys "Cruisng this neighbourhood and think 'clubbing' is done with a length of wood" (TISM). I would take a guess then that the majority of complaints against Centrelink emanate from the Sydney 'culture' and these would be indeed the ungrateful scumbags that is so cliche'. They can be so bad that they rob other poor people rather than get some balls and take a pot shot at the Lodge.

Might be more to do with the Victorian Police' love affair with dispensing VFL; Very Fast Lead.  'BANG' 'BANG' BANG' Stop Victorian Police.

It's Bogan btw.

mellie wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 7:56pm:

Though, if you would like me to post it again, this opposed to impressing the link...then here, by all means...... ..... there's a book you may be lucky enough to get your hands on, it's called "One Man Banned" the best of Peter Sawyer, whistle blower  edited by Brian Wilshire. It delves into the persecution of one public servant (worked at Centrelink) who dared to tell the truth, this and how he was screwed over by both sides of our government, our media, CIA, ASIO, and how our government at the time changed an Act to have him charged with "making a false and misleading statement with the intent of making a false and misleading statement" with the cooperation of the opposition, only to have reversed the act after his charges were dropped, under the 'forced' condition he pleaded guilty to the charge. He had been working with our federal police, and was told by our government that he would be rewarded generously(career wise, with back-pay for wages lost whilst assisting the federal police and government) for alerting them to the corruption and assisting them with a parliamentary and federal enquiry and "White Paper" of which was later disposed of. It also talks about how on September 25th, 1991, Governor General, Bill Hayden, using the excuse of the external affairs powers, gave Royal Assent to the International Government on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR), and how this is effectively Australia's new Bill Of Rights. It became operative on Christmas day, 1991. * The right to private property ..GONE *The right to freedom of assembly...GONE *The right to freedom of speech..GONE *Freedom from unwarranted search...GONE *The right to trial by jury....GONE *Freedom from unjust imprisonment...GONE .... refer to chapter 1: The Freedom Fighter. _______________________________________________ When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes a duty! Anon. From a mural in Garema Place Canberra.

Is that quote not a derivative of When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty?

It has been printed, as you have quoted, on the backs of hundreds of bogan vehicles.  It's the next Southern Cross/Unit/Frangipani/My Family sticker.

No, it's within the introduction of the book, I just wanted to give others a little insight as to what the books about.

Both sides of government did their best to ban 2 of his publications, and if you read it, (I doubt you will find a copy anyway)... you might understand why.

See, we don't write about politics, politicians, corporations, law, federal departments the way we used to here in Australia, and over the past few months, I have been delving into retro-pre 1991 Australian political literature...and have observed the stark contrast between pre-1991 publications to the more recent PC ,censored and 'lilly-white' stuff being published now.

It's amazing, and to think, we Australians used to have balls...well, until 1991 when our 'revised' Bill Of Rights came into effect, and without so much as a headline.

Sorry to have bothered you with this stuff, if it's not your thing, but I love my books and when I find something of interest, I like to share them with others.

::)...  

mellie wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 8:52pm:

No, it's within the introduction of the book, I just wanted to give others a little insight as to what the books about.

Mellie is that in response to my post or another?

Yeah seems a lot of good quality Australian culture suddenly vanished after the 70's, I noticed it on the bookshelves too. Sports biographies are a good example - it use to be a practice that only 'champions or legends' had their lives replicated via the odd Book, but now it seems every sports player has an autobiography out after just a few seasons of playing as they all aim to be celebrities and what-nots ...and what is to read about em? Absolutely nothing!

I have an Ulladulla sticker.

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 9:23am:

Yeah seems a lot of good quality Australian culture suddenly vanished after the 70's, I noticed it on the bookshelves too. Sports biographies are a good example - it use to be a practice that only 'champions or legends' had their lives replicated via the odd Book, but now it seems every sports player has an autobiography out after just a few seasons of playing as they all aim to be celebrities and what-nots ...and what is to read about em? Absolutely nothing! I have an Ulladulla sticker.

Reminds me of the Justin Biebers of this world who have two
hits and are writing their autobiographies before they're twenty.

Never could see the point of it, myself.

Aussie wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 8:15pm:

Quote: It also talks about how on September 25th, 1991, Governor General, Bill Hayden, using the excuse of the external affairs powers, gave Royal Assent to the International Government on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR), and how this is effectively Australia's new Bill Of Rights. It became operative on Christmas day, 1991. * The right to private property ..GONE *The right to freedom of assembly...GONE *The right to freedom of speech..GONE *Freedom from unwarranted search...GONE *The right to trial by jury....GONE *Freedom from unjust imprisonment...GONE Show me the Act, with a link please?

Oi, mellie, over 'ere!

:)


I want to see a copy of this Act which you told us all became operative on Christmas Day, 1991.


mellie?????

Aussie wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 3:50pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 22nd, 2010 at 8:15pm: Quote: It also talks about how on September 25th, 1991, Governor General, Bill Hayden, using the excuse of the external affairs powers, gave Royal Assent to the International Government on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR), and how this is effectively Australia's new Bill Of Rights. It became operative on Christmas day, 1991. * The right to private property ..GONE *The right to freedom of assembly...GONE *The right to freedom of speech..GONE *Freedom from unwarranted search...GONE *The right to trial by jury....GONE *Freedom from unjust imprisonment...GONE Show me the Act, with a link please? Oi, mellie, over 'ere! :) I want to see a copy of this Act which you told us all became operative on Christmas Day, 1991.

:o

hi.
IN GENERAL.

yes, 1991. Keating took over.
recession we had to have.
et al.

since then, we've been populated by dummies from Asia and the Arab states.
Dummies. Dummies.
Political Correctness.........

know why?

EASIER TO CONTROL.

anglos here, YES WE BUILT THIS PLACE, were considered too smart.
SO, undermine them. (and this is from other better placed anglo's)

dumb the lot down - make it easier to control.

DONE.

australia is now run by buggerWITS for buggerWITS.

get it yet, pll, get it?


with love.
j.

mellie:


Quote:

I want to see a copy of this Act which you told us all became operative on Christmas Day, 1991.

Please.

Oi, mellie I am waiting and I can guarantee I will not go away.

Show us that Act you said the GG gave assent to.  Please.

:)

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 9:23am:

Yeah seems a lot of good quality Australian culture suddenly vanished after the 70's, I noticed it on the bookshelves too. Sports biographies are a good example - it use to be a practice that only 'champions or legends' had their lives replicated via the odd Book, but now it seems every sports player has an autobiography out after just a few seasons of playing as they all aim to be celebrities and what-nots ...and what is to read about em? Absolutely nothing! I have an Ulladulla sticker.

hi,
yes you are right.
the country WAS different then.
and BETTER.
all the arts have suffered/disappeared since then.
no movies, music and books.
at least, nothing of any consequence.

i'm now making it my business to tell young ppl to QUESTION EVERYTHING that the govt does.

btw, i'm STILL active in certain areas and the fact that these areas are STILL successful for me is certain proof i'm right.
j.
is proving

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2010 at 1:41pm:

I think it`s amazing that people can be unemployed and still get paid, still get medical care etc.

well, you are right.