Golden rules how to beat a wife and make her to be obedient.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl8g8S6F3do&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3Eam5FX58&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh7qiO3Ygnk&feature=related

According to Abu, the important thing is that beating a woman is not suppoed to cause physical damage, but to humiliate her into submission. Which is why it is perfectly acceptable provided you do it properly...

You should never have to slap a woman around to get her to submit to you. If you have to go to such an extreme you're obviously doing something wrong. Women are meant to be dominated obviously, (they like it) but this is absurd.

You need to be a bit more direct when you have a herd of them to manage.

Not for this man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJRwIf1FF0

We can't all be like Dick. Shariah law needs to cater for everyone, including the violent thug with four wives, not just those with the savvy to manipulate women without raising their hand.

freediver wrote on Sep 18^th, 2010 at 12:58pm:

According to Abu, the important thing is that beating a woman is not suppoed to cause physical damage, but to humiliate her into submission. Which is why it is perfectly acceptable provided you do it properly...

The way how Muslim men discuss this subject tells me that beating women is firmly a part of Islamic culture and won’t be changed soon. Until then  majority of Muslim women will be treated as sort of retards or, at the best, second class citizens.
Can someone deny it?

OMG!

<< leaves speechless >>

This is all garbage and you well know it.

The fact is that Western cultures are where the bulk of domestic violence occurs.

Islam does not permit domestic violence at all.

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 18^th, 2010 at 4:14pm:

This is all garbage and you well know it. The fact is that Western cultures are where the bulk of domestic violence occurs. Islam does not permit domestic violence at all.

Only wife beating. A completely different thing.

Thought you'd be busy researching the supposed changes that have occurred in Arabic over the past 1400 years??  ;D

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 18^th, 2010 at 4:14pm:

This is all garbage and you well know it. The fact is that Western cultures are where the bulk of domestic violence occurs. Islam does not permit domestic violence at all.

I am not going to debate what happens in 'Western culture.'  I am interested in what Islam (not a culture......a religion) says about what a man may do to discipline his Spouse or Daughter.

Pray tell Abu?

Considering Moslem population growth is in the positive - they must be doing something right when it comes to 'family values'.
Physically dishing out punishment is no different to dishing out Mental punishment.
So some poor horrible (dystopian) Moslem man had to backhand his wife who did something she shouldn't have ...chances are some (Utopian) Western man is mentally abusing his 'dumb' blonde wife to boot.

Edit: cuz I can waffle on sometimes. ;)

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 18^th, 2010 at 4:14pm:

This is all garbage and you well know it. The fact is that Western cultures are where the bulk of domestic violence occurs. Islam does not permit domestic violence at all.

So Abu, how about you enlighten us with how respectfully Muslim men are required to treat their women. I know you must be eager to correct our misconceptions. You can start by telling us about the role of the soggy miswak in maintaining domestic bliss.

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 18^th, 2010 at 4:29pm:

Thought you'd be busy researching the supposed changes that have occurred in Arabic over the past 1400 years??  ;D

Let us review the Muslim conquest. In 624, Mohammed led a raid for booty and plunder against a Meccan caravan, killing 70 Meccans for mere material gain. Between 630 A.D. and the death of Mohammed in 632 A.D., Muslims -- on at least one occasion led by Mohammed -- had conquered the bulk of western Arabia and southern Palestine through approximately a dozen separate invasions and bloody conquests. These conquests were in large part "Holy wars," putting the lie to another statement in the U.S. News article that proclaimed the Crusades "The First Holy War," as if the Christians had invented the concept of a holy war. After Mohammed's death in 632, the new Muslim caliph, Abu Bakr, launched Islam into almost 1,500 years of continual imperialist, colonialist, bloody conquest and subjugation of others through invasion and war, a role Islam continues to this very day.

You will note the string of adjectives and may have some objection to my using them. They are used because they are the absolute truth. Anyone denying them is a victim of PC thinking, ignorant of history, or lying to protect Islam. Let us take each word separately before we proceed further in our true history of the relationship between the Christian west and the Islamic east.

Imperialistic

The Muslim wars of imperialist conquest have been launched for almost 1,500 years against hundreds of nations, over millions of square miles (significantly larger than the British Empire at its peak). The lust for Muslim imperialist conquest stretched from southern France to the Philippines, from Austria to Nigeria, and from central Asia to New Guinea. This is the classic definition of imperialism -- "the policy and practice of seeking to dominate the economic and political affairs of weaker countries."

Colonialist

The Muslim goal was to have a central government, first at Damascus, and then at Baghdad -- later at Cairo, Istanbul, or other imperial centers. The local governors, judges, and other rulers were appointed by the central imperial authorities for far off colonies. Islamic law was introduced as the senior law, whether or not wanted by the local people. Arabic was introduced as the rulers' language, and the local language frequently disappeared. Two classes of residents were established. The native residents paid a tax that their colonialist rulers did not have to pay.

Although the law differed in different places, the following are examples of colonialist laws to which colonized Christians and Jews were made subject to over the years:

• Christians and Jews could not bear arms -- Muslims could;
• Christians and Jews could not ride horses -- Muslims could;
• Christians and Jews had to get permission to build -- Muslims did not;
• Christians and Jews had to pay certain taxes which Muslims did not;
• Christians could not proselytize -- Muslims could;
• Christians and Jews had to bow to their Muslim masters when they paid their taxes; and
• Christians and Jews had to live under the law set forth in the Koran, not under either their own religious or secular law.

In each case, these laws allowed the local conquered people less freedom than was allowed the conquering colonialist rulers. Even non-Arab Muslim inhabitants of the conquered lands became second class citizens behind the ruling Arabs. This is the classic definition of colonialist -- "a group of people who settle in a distant territory from the state having jurisdiction or control over it and who remain under the political jurisdiction of their native land."

We will talk about "bloody" as we proceed. Because the U.S. News article related only to the Christian west against the Muslim east, except in this paragraph I will not describe the almost 1,500 years of Muslim imperialistic, colonialist, bloody conquest and subjugation of others through invasion and war to the east of Arabia in Iraq, Persia, and much further eastward, which continues to this day....

First, a word about my personal view of the Crusades. I believe that the murderous and pillaging acts of the Crusaders when they entered Jerusalem were barbaric, unchristian, and evil. This is particularly so as those barbaric, unchristian, and evil acts were carried on in the name of a religion of peace, love, and forgiveness. I believe that the vast bulk of thinking Christians agree with me. I cite as evidence the large numbers of Christians who have recently taken long pilgrimages in the footsteps of the Crusaders, repenting for the Crusader's acts, seeking for forgiveness, and giving penance for the Crusader's barbaric, unchristian, and evil acts.

A question occurs to me here. How many Muslim groups have taken long pilgrimages in the footsteps of the Muslim conquest repenting, seeking for forgiveness, and giving penance for the Muslims imperialist, colonialist, and bloody conquest of Palestine, Egypt, Syria, North Africa, and Spain? This is particularly important as the U.S. News article claims, "For [Muslims] imperialism is a dirty word…" Where is Muslim repentance for its imperialism, geographically the largest in all of history, which permits Muslims to call Western imperialism a dirty word?

Let us rewrite the beginning of the U.S. News article as follows: "In 1095, after suffering from the murderous invasions of Muslim conquerors who killed tens of thousands of Christians through four-and-one-half centuries of Muslim imperialist, colonialist conquest, made slaves and eunuchs of Christians for the pleasure of the caliphs, burned down or sacked the holiest churches in Christendom, robbed and killed thousands of Christians on holy pilgrimage, brutally sacked and pillaged Jerusalem, and pillaged the countryside of Israel, western Europe, under the leadership of the Pope, decided to free the people of the Holy Land from their brutal masters and reclaim Christianity's holiest places for free Christian worship."

Now, I fully realize that the previous paragraph is one-sided, that the six centuries of Muslim colonial, imperialist occupation were more complex than are shown in the previous paragraphs, and that the Christians were not always blameless, little babes. However, the previous paragraph has the benefit of not being an outright lie, which is more than I can say for the U.S. News article.

To beat the dog one more time, you may have noted that I stated above that Muslim imperialism has continued until the present. Muslim imperialism has continued without any let-up from ten years before Mohammed's death until today.

Consider the Ottoman invasion of Christian Eastern Europe in which the Ottoman Empire invaded the west and conquered and colonized Greece, all of the Balkans, Romania, Bessarabia, and Hungary, and was stopped only at the outskirts of Vienna in 1529. Consider also the Muhgal conquest of Northern India in the early 1600s. But today? Of course! In the 20th century alone:

1. Muslim Turkey has expelled approximately 1,500,000 Greeks from its empire in the east and replaced them with Turks. They have massacred approximately 2 million Armenians and replaced them with Turks in the west.

2. Muslim Turkey has invaded and occupied northern Cyprus, displacing the Greeks living there.

3. Muslim northern Sudan has conquered much of southern Sudan, literally enslaving its Christian and pagan population.

4. Indonesian imperialism has occupied all of non-Islamic western New Guinea and incorporated into Indonesia.

5. Muslim Indonesia has invaded and conquered Christian East Timor with horrible loss of life.

6. This very day, Muslim Indonesia is attempting to destroy Christianity in what used to be called the Celebes.

7. A half-dozen Arab countries have fought two to four wars (depending how you count) in an attempt to destroy Israel and occupy its territory, and is currently continuing the attempt this very day with the publicly voted consent of 55 of the world's 57 Islamic nations.

8. For no good reason, Muslim Libya has blown up western aircraft, killing many civilians.

9. Muslim Iraq, in an imperialist war of aggression, invaded and occupied Muslim Kuwait.

10. Muslim Iraq, in an imperialist act of aggression, invaded Muslim Iran with a resulting (some estimates say) death of 2 million people.

11. Muslim Albania, this very minute, is attempting to enlarge its borders at Christian Macedonia's expense.

12. Muslim Northern Nigeria has been (and is currently) an aggressor against the Christian south.

13. Muslims expelled approximately 800,000 Jews from their homelands between 1947 and 1955.

14. During Jordan's occupation of the West Bank, the kingdom undertook an unsuccessful attempt to make Jerusalem a Muslim city by forcing out approximately 10,000 Christian inhabitants.

Yes, I know that the reverse has been true. For example, Christian Serbia entered and massacred Bosnian Muslims. The western response was instructive. The west sent troops to protect the Muslims. Serbia gave up its leader to be tried for the crime by an international panel. Will Indonesia do the same with respect to Timor? Or Sudan with respect to southern Sudan?

Question: What is the title of the shortest book in the world? Answer: "The list of Muslim nations who have risked the lives of their soldiers to protect (as with the U.S. protection of Muslims in Kuwait) Christian or Jewish citizens from Muslim imperialism."

Yes, I also know that in the 20th century the west fought two of the bloodiest wars in history. But in the past more than 55 years, the west has developed methods that have led to peace among the west, and all but totally ended western imperialism and colonialism. With former colonies having a large majority in the UN, and the example of the west before it, Islam has continued its imperialist, colonial, bloody wars unabated.

One final point. Muslims base their claim to the city of Jerusalem upon the belief that Jerusalem has been a Muslim city for centuries. It may be that Muslims were never a majority in Jerusalem. We cannot prove this for all time periods, but we know that Muslims were a minority in the first several centuries after the Muslim imperialist conquest and during the century of Christian occupation during the Crusades. And we know that in the Middle Ages, Jerusalem was not considered important to the Muslims, but it was to the Christians and Jews. The Muslims made cities other than Jerusalem the capital of their Palestinian colony. Many Caliphs never even visited Jerusalem. Therefore, there was a steady stream of Jewish and Christian (but not Muslim) immigrants into Jerusalem throughout the Middle Ages,

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 18^th, 2010 at 4:29pm:

Thought you'd be busy researching the supposed changes that have occurred in Arabic over the past 1400 years??  ;D

When it comes to the canonical Arabic texts like the Koran, I'm like the vast majority of Muslims, mate - I am readin' it, I'm readin' it but it don't make sense.  :P

Muslim men never really know the feeling that the love of a woman gives.  There is always the fear, lurking in the minds of the women.  

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 18^th, 2010 at 7:51pm:

Muslim men never really know the feeling that the love of a woman gives.  There is always the fear, lurking in the minds of the women.

What's Muslim for 'my pet'?

Just wondering.
What if the wife is 6.2 ft tall and 110 kg heavy and the bloke is only 5 ft and 65 kg.
How he's gonna implement sharia law by beating her?.

Don't forget Arabs like big women.

I`d rather cut both my arms off than have my wife fear me.  Although I don`t know how I`d cut the second one off.

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 18^th, 2010 at 8:28pm:

I`d rather cut both my arms off than have my wife fear me.  Although I don`t know how I`d cut the second one off.

You could ask her: "Darling, be a pet, ..."

Would you please chop my other arm off? I`ve been behaving rather Muslimish, and I`m ashamed.

Soren wrote on Sep 18^th, 2010 at 8:17pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 18th, 2010 at 7:51pm: Muslim men never really know the feeling that the love of a woman gives.  There is always the fear, lurking in the minds of the women.   What's Muslim for 'my pet'?

This is Muslim for 'my darling' from two different sources Soren



حبيبتي

بلدي دارلينغ

Cockney Doll wrote on Sep 19^th, 2010 at 10:53am:

Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2010 at 8:17pm: aussiefree2ride wrote on Sep 18th, 2010 at 7:51pm: Muslim men never really know the feeling that the love of a woman gives.  There is always the fear, lurking in the minds of the women.   What's Muslim for 'my pet'? This is Muslim for 'my darling' from two different sources Soren حبيبتي بلدي دارلينغ

Which dialect of the "Muslim" language is that meant to be in?  ;D

I speak Christian and Jewish fluently, but my Muslim is a bit rusty.

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Muslim men never really know the feeling that the love of a woman gives.  There is always the fear, lurking in the minds of the women

Could you generalise just a little bit more?

My best friend is a Muslim and adores her husband. She's certainly not scared of him.

'بلدي الحيوانات الأليفة؟

Annie Anthrax wrote on Sep 19^th, 2010 at 1:35pm:

Quote: Muslim men never really know the feeling that the love of a woman gives.  There is always the fear, lurking in the minds of the women Could you generalise just a little bit more? My best friend is a Muslim and adores her husband. She's certainly not scared of him.

She`d better adore him too if she knows what`s good for her.

Highbeam,


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1. Muslim Turkey has expelled approximately 1,500,000 Greeks from its empire in the east and replaced them with Turks.

Whilst only 2 million Turks were expelled from lands the Europeans took... oh wait that's more!!! The population exchanges after WWI were a European idea, not a Turkish one. The Turks accepted it as part of losing the war, they did not instigate it at all, so this point seems to be against Christians, not Muslims.


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They have massacred approximately 2 million Armenians and replaced them with Turks in the west.

This is just pure fantasy. The Armenians who died mostly died of malnutrition through neglect, but not through massacres. And those who were fought and died, were fought because they were assisting the Russians to invade.


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2. Muslim Turkey has invaded and occupied northern Cyprus, displacing the Greeks living there.

Cyprus first became a Muslim land back in 654 C.E during the time of Caliph Muawiyyah, a companion of prophet Muhammad (pbuh). It was briefly overrun by the Crusaders at different points in time, but was re-liberated by the Ottomans, and remained Muslim until the dissolution of the Ottoman Caliphate, at which point the British gave it to the Greeks.

Secular Turkey intervened to protect the Turkish citizens (regardless of whether they were Muslim, Kemalist, Atheist, whatever).


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3. Muslim northern Sudan has conquered much of southern Sudan, literally enslaving its Christian and pagan population.

They're also fighting against Muslims, the central government is merely trying to bring rebellious provinces into line, whether they be Muslims, Christians or Animists is irrelevant.


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4. Indonesian imperialism has occupied all of non-Islamic western New Guinea and incorporated into Indonesia. 5. Muslim Indonesia has invaded and conquered Christian East Timor with horrible loss of life. 6. This very day, Muslim Indonesia is attempting to destroy Christianity in what used to be called the Celebes.

Again Indonesia is nowhere near an Islamic state. It was a Western created state that was given those lands when the European colonialists withdrew from them. The only reason East Timor is Christian is due to actual Imperialism you nitwit!


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7. A half-dozen Arab countries have fought two to four wars (depending how you count) in an attempt to destroy Israel and occupy its territory, and is currently continuing the attempt this very day with the publicly voted consent of 55 of the world's 57 Islamic nations

This one takes the cake (and the crumbs). Israel is an imperialist installation that was created in the middle of the Muslim lands!!! You gotta be kidding with this one right? A country that was 98% Arab was handed over to a foreign people to invade, occupy and colonise, and yet you claim its imperialism for that 98% majority to try and fight to get it back????


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9. Muslim Iraq, in an imperialist war of aggression, invaded and occupied Muslim Kuwait.

For a start Iraq was Ba'athist (a nationalist socialist ideology) not Muslim. Secondly this war was a farce to provide a pre-text for invading Iraq...


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10. Muslim Iraq, in an imperialist act of aggression, invaded Muslim Iran with a resulting (some estimates say) death of 2 million people.

As above. This time though Iraq was acting on behalf of the U.S to wage war against her enemy Iran.


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11. Muslim Albania, this very minute, is attempting to enlarge its borders at Christian Macedonia's expense.

Albania is certainly not an Islamic state, although it does have a sizable Muslim majority. And it's last two presidents have been Christians.... and even the "muslim" presidents it's had have all been Communists anyway, which according to Islam makes them non-Muslims.


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12. Muslim Northern Nigeria has been (and is currently) an aggressor against the Christian south.

The Christian south only exists because of European imperialism. Another one for our side.


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13. Muslims expelled approximately 800,000 Jews from their homelands between 1947 and 1955.

Seriously you're still joking about this right???


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14. During Jordan's occupation of the West Bank, the kingdom undertook an unsuccessful attempt to make Jerusalem a Muslim city by forcing out approximately 10,000 Christian inhabitants.

Jordan is a British puppet state, if it did that, which I doubt it did anyway, it did it at the behest of it's British controllers. Christian Palestinians were expelled by the Zionist invasion, not by Islam.


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But in the past more than 55 years, the west has developed methods that have led to peace among the west, and all but totally ended western imperialism and colonialism.

This is just nonsense. The West have merely developed methods by which to occupy countries without actually being physically present with armies. Pretty much all Muslim countries are Western-occupied, without a single soldier on their soil.

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 8:09am:

Cyprus first became a Muslim land back in 654 C.E during the time of Caliph Muawiyyah, a companion of prophet Muhammad (pbuh). It was briefly overrun by the Crusaders at different points in time, but was re-liberated by the Ottomans, and remained Muslim until the dissolution of the Ottoman Caliphate, at which point the British gave it to the Greeks.

Ah, back in 654 CE, when time began....


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This one takes the cake (and the crumbs). Israel is an imperialist installation that was created in the middle of the Muslim lands!!! You gotta be kidding with this one right? A country that was 98% Arab was handed over to a foreign people to invade, occupy and colonise, and yet you claim its imperialism for that 98% majority to try and fight to get it back????

Lemme try this logic.



This one takes the cake (and the crumbs). Northern Cyprus is a Muslim imperialist installation that was created in the middle of the Christian lands!!! You gotta be kidding with this one right? A country that was 100 % Christian Greek was taken by a foreign people to invade, occupy and colonise, and yet you claim its imperialism for Jews to fight to get Israel back????

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 20^th, 2010 at 8:09am:

Cyprus first became a Muslim land back in 654 C.E during the time of Caliph Muawiyyah, a companion of prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

How did they managed to get there from Araby? No doubt it was in the cause of fighting the Americans. Or they were on a package holiday and missed the boat back.



"The Shi'a view Mu'awiyah as a tyrant, usurper and murderer. His supposed conversion to Islam before the conquest of Mecca is dismissed as a fable, or mere hypocrisy. He is also described as a manipulator and liar who usurped Islam purely for political and material gain of his father's loss. He was also widely regarded as a tyrant and usurper by both Shia Arabs and Persians, who despite being ruled by Sunni Arabs and their vassals for centuries, ultimately found the egalitarian Shia creed more palatable than the oppressive, Arab-supremacist tribal rule of Mu'awiya. "

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He is also described as a manipulator and liar who usurped Islam purely for political and material gain

Ringing any bells? For all of Abu's claims about Islam being a 'practical' ideology that faces the reality of human nature, it sure seems to bring a lot of problems for it's followers.

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 18^th, 2010 at 4:14pm:

This is all garbage and you well know it. The fact is that Western cultures are where the bulk of domestic violence occurs. Islam does not permit domestic violence at all.

But of course a bit of light beating on a recalcitrant wife is not considered domestic violence eh Abu.
No beating on the face or other sensitive areas, no bleeding or bruising.
No carrying out the punishment in front of children (witnesses).
But anything else is ok as long as these few rules are followed.
I suppose having the wife wear her Ned Kelly outfit on the street would help as well.