Why on earth would the average voter allow this Labor/Green/Independent fiasco into office?  Total dissatisfaction with both of the major parties? Hardly an excuse because now they’ve allowed a situation which will cause untold damage to the country both economically and image wise. The country cannot afford to alienate the miners; it cannot afford to have its image abroad tarnished by a cacophony of fools who really present a complete picture of total incompetence.

This three-ring-circus may not last long, but the damage it will do in whatever time it has, may indeed be irreversible or irrecoverable.

Well done Australia!

ppl have NO interest in politics, after all look at what happens in NSw and Qld, year in year out debacle after debacle and ppl have the opinion that they can do nothing about what happens so they feel detached from the issues and fail to educate themselves about what they can do.

So come election time they just vote blindly.

I mow the lawn of an elderly lady who can not afford her electricity bills I sometimes pay them for her. She said she voted labor when I asked her about how can she afford to vote for them given that an ETS or carbon tax will increase her bills and cost of living she replied whats a carbon tax?? and she is not senile just doesn't care for politicians???? When i explained teh concept of the CT she asked me jokingly can i vote again??


people just switch off when pollies talk, and teh media failed spectaculy in not reporting a parties policies, look at the green policies no one knows about??

So yes the population is thick as shite when it comes to politics.

Del_has_returned wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 1:01pm:

Why on earth would the average voter allow this Labor/Green/Independent fiasco into office?  Total dissatisfaction with both of the major parties? Hardly an excuse because now they’ve allowed a situation which will cause untold damage to the country both economically and image wise. The country cannot afford to alienate the miners; it cannot afford to have its image abroad tarnished by a cacophony of fools who really present a complete picture of total incompetence. This three-ring-circus may not last long, but the damage it will do in whatever time it has, may indeed be irreversible or irrecoverable.

Couldn't disagree more.


Del_has_returned wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 1:01pm:

Well done Australia!

Couldn't agree more.

I wouldn't worry too much del_has_returned.  This rabble will implode much more quickly than people now realise.  Brown is now trying to get the Libs onside.  Desperation tactics methinks.  The Libs should have NOTHING to do with the Greens.  In fact, no Party should.

Yes, there is damage being done and we could well become the laughing stock of the world.  But that will be short lived when the Libs reign supreme once again.................WITH a majority

I don't think Australians are any more or less politically ignorant than the rest of us.

Here in the United States there are huge percentages of the population that don't know who their senator or representative is or where the Republicans or Democrats stand on issues.

In Britain we have a large percentage of the new underclass on the housing estates who don't know nor care about the political scene.

Australia has the same.

The difference is though is that in the US or UK, these uninformed don't vote. We don't want them to vote and they don't. Therefore they don't screw up the process and they remain out side of it.

Australia, by forcing its people to vote, engages these retards and potentially stuffs up the process because these people don't vote on issues but are known to just 'put anything' as I heard one guy say once (that was in a decent area too).

I think apathetic is a more fitting word than ignorant.

Del_has_returned wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 1:01pm:

Why on earth would the average voter allow this Labor/Green/Independent fiasco into office?  Total dissatisfaction with both of the major parties? Hardly an excuse because now they’ve allowed a situation which will cause untold damage to the country both economically and image wise. The country cannot afford to alienate the miners; it cannot afford to have its image abroad tarnished by a cacophony of fools who really present a complete picture of total incompetence. This three-ring-circus may not last long, but the damage it will do in whatever time it has, may indeed be irreversible or irrecoverable. Well done Australia!

Wow, you really are politically pig ignorant! Well done!

BTW, notice the latest unemployment data? Good figures, eh?

Darwin wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 2:21pm:

Del_has_returned wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 1:01pm: Why on earth would the average voter allow this Labor/Green/Independent fiasco into office?  Total dissatisfaction with both of the major parties? Hardly an excuse because now they’ve allowed a situation which will cause untold damage to the country both economically and image wise. The country cannot afford to alienate the miners; it cannot afford to have its image abroad tarnished by a cacophony of fools who really present a complete picture of total incompetence. This three-ring-circus may not last long, but the damage it will do in whatever time it has, may indeed be irreversible or irrecoverable. Well done Australia! Wow, you really are politically pig ignorant! Well done! BTW, notice the latest unemployment data? Good figures, eh?

Not really, you see I didn't vote for any of the clowns mentioned (Labor/Greens/Independents).  I assume you on the other hand did, therefore I'd say you fit your own description perfectly.

Del Has Returned has been renamed to Liberal Voter Chicken Little .. they also hardly voted for the Libs if you count 44 seats compared to 71 if you look at the AEC number..

they would never win a election without being in bed with the nationals and they know it ... hence why they are so upset at ex national siding with labor ..

They are upset at both the coalition and labor hence why we have more Indi's in and a Green  

Liberals = Lib/Nat Coalition, as in COALITION

Labor = Greens, and any other minority Party that Labor can bribe to get them into power..........end of story

sandy you seem to miss a few their they are just as bad as each other .. and if Liberal party got in they need 2 indi's to do as well so what is your point

LNP of QLD , Country Liberals , WA Liberals

Damage imagewise? Bad grammar and more political pig ignorance!

Belgium went to the polls in June and still does not have a govt! Most European elections are PR and it is common for weeks to be spent in negotiating a winning coalition, often a minority govt, before govt is formed. This time it took us two weeks and a coalition had to be negotiated for a minority govt, a bit unusual for us, like a drawn match in AFL, because we have single member electorates but it is not unusual in the wider scheme of things

If you have no facts I wouldn’t start venting about political ignorance—if you really want to find some Del, look in the mirror!

Showing the European Governments is not a positive.

I am often appalled at the Governments that form there.

I would much sooner have strong, forceful Government of one party with a clear majority.

The simple fact is, a compulsory voting system means we have the sort of people voting that we would ratheer they didn't.
The social underclass for want of a better description.

In the USA and UK we have the benefit of them not voting.
In Australia, they do.

so the word according to Andei is the poor cant vote or don't have the rights to vote .. you hate the country people , you hate the poor ..  

The social underclass? Right wing ding bat!

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 3:41pm:

so the word according to Andei is the poor cant vote or don't have the rights to vote .. you hate the country people , you hate the poor ..

Talk about completely mis-quote me deliberately!

You can be asset poor and intelligence rich you know.

I have nothing against the poor, I myself am far from rich.

I am talking here about the social underclass that exist in today's society. The uneducated, illiterate, waste of a class of people who are just pointless. They are found on the council estates up and down the country with their teenage mothers etc.

These people are not people we want engaging in voting - because they don't care and we should be giving them the chance to vote but allowing them not to, because if we're honest we're better off with them not voting.

Country people?
Where did that come from?
Oh yes, because I don't believe they should be treated as a priority above the rest of us - who are the majority by the way.

Ummmm Hicks old girl, you have just described the One Nation/National Party voter!

The cities have remarkably few lumpenproletariat.

Del_has_returned wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 2:40pm:

Darwin wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 2:21pm: Del_has_returned wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 1:01pm: Why on earth would the average voter allow this Labor/Green/Independent fiasco into office?  Total dissatisfaction with both of the major parties? Hardly an excuse because now they’ve allowed a situation which will cause untold damage to the country both economically and image wise. The country cannot afford to alienate the miners; it cannot afford to have its image abroad tarnished by a cacophony of fools who really present a complete picture of total incompetence. This three-ring-circus may not last long, but the damage it will do in whatever time it has, may indeed be irreversible or irrecoverable. Well done Australia! Wow, you really are politically pig ignorant! Well done! BTW, notice the latest unemployment data? Good figures, eh? Not really, you see I didn't vote for any of the clowns mentioned (Labor/Greens/Independents).  I assume you on the other hand did, therefore I'd say you fit your own description perfectly.

Ummmmm, so did you see the latest unemployment figures? Really good they were, well except in WA which has the only Lib govt!

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 3:35pm:

Showing the European Governments is not a positive. I am often appalled at the Governments that form there. I would much sooner have strong, forceful Government of one party with a clear majority.

I never said I prefer PR or gave any indication of approval of the euro system or any of the governments. Do try and stay on topic, that is a good girl.

I was replying to the poor ignorant cretin that said taking 2 weeks to form a minority government was bad, and I shudder to quote the very poor language, “bad imagewise.” Oh gee, I hope that wasn’t you Mrs Hicks?

Darwin wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 3:30pm:

Damage imagewise? Bad grammar and more political pig ignorance! Belgium went to the polls in June and still does not have a govt! Most European elections are PR and it is common for weeks to be spent in negotiating a winning coalition, often a minority govt, before govt is formed. This time it took us two weeks and a coalition had to be negotiated for a minority govt, a bit unusual for us, like a drawn match in AFL, because we have single member electorates but it is not unusual in the wider scheme of things If you have no facts I wouldn’t start venting about political ignorance—if you really want to find some Del, look in the mirror!

Touch a nerve did it tiny?

Well, for those who need a briefing....here's where it all is...nicely condensed and summarised.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/capital-circle/politicians-return-to-rainbow-parliament/story-fn59nqgy-1225916226113

:)

Del_has_returned wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 4:12pm:

Darwin wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 3:30pm: Damage imagewise? Bad grammar and more political pig ignorance! Belgium went to the polls in June and still does not have a govt! Most European elections are PR and it is common for weeks to be spent in negotiating a winning coalition, often a minority govt, before govt is formed. This time it took us two weeks and a coalition had to be negotiated for a minority govt, a bit unusual for us, like a drawn match in AFL, because we have single member electorates but it is not unusual in the wider scheme of things If you have no facts I wouldn’t start venting about political ignorance—if you really want to find some Del, look in the mirror! Touch a nerve did it tiny?

Touch a nerve? Touch a nerve? You are beyond thick! I showed you that saying the last two weeks were “bad image-wise” {shudder} were the opposite of the truth.

A more suitable title for this thread maybe ...


Are All Coalition Supporters So Arrogant

Darwin wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 4:16pm:

Del_has_returned wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 4:12pm: Darwin wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 3:30pm: Damage imagewise? Bad grammar and more political pig ignorance! Belgium went to the polls in June and still does not have a govt! Most European elections are PR and it is common for weeks to be spent in negotiating a winning coalition, often a minority govt, before govt is formed. This time it took us two weeks and a coalition had to be negotiated for a minority govt, a bit unusual for us, like a drawn match in AFL, because we have single member electorates but it is not unusual in the wider scheme of things If you have no facts I wouldn’t start venting about political ignorance—if you really want to find some Del, look in the mirror! Touch a nerve did it tiny? Touch a nerve? Touch a nerve? You are beyond thick! I showed you that saying the last two weeks were “bad image-wise” {shudder} were the opposite of the truth.

You really are a grade A tool aren't you......what the bugger are you talking about last two weeks ? Read my post again you fking dolt......and check you're own punctuation while you're at it.........image wise, image wise.......the whole fking piss-ant government, you moron, NOT the last two weeks"......

I will reply tomorrow when you are sober.

Darwin wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 4:28pm:

I will reply tomorrow when you are sober.

Pathetic!

____ wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 4:20pm:

Are All Coalition Supporters So Arrogant

Yes they choose not to listen to anyone else or anyone's opinion or ideas they think they know it all .. when proven wrong they still think they are right .. They serve no interest but their own so that is why they are not suitable to govern...

Put it simple everyone else from leading economist to world leaders except the coalition though the stimulus was a good idea but they opposed it ... now that we have a good US based dollar , good unemployment figures / jobs growth they still roll on with their gutter tripe sayings like labor is bad economic mangers...

Labor will get back to surplus on time and they will still carry on because that is all they know how to do ...

in direct answer to the original question.
YES.

but, they are genius level compared to the gov't's we've been suffering for the last 20yrs or so.

j.

sandysquirrel18 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 3:26pm:

Liberals = Lib/Nat Coalition, as in COALITION Labor = Greens, and any other minority Party that Labor can bribe to get them into power..........end of story

That is okay, because the country people hate the city people, and those who are not doing so well, hate those who are doing better than them.
Me I am just happy to be comfortable. Took along time to realise that though.

____ wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 4:20pm:

A more suitable title for this thread maybe ... Are All Coalition Supporters So Arrogant

Or:
ARe all lefties Stalinists? Still?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 3:48pm:

I am talking here about the social underclass that exist in today's society. The uneducated, illiterate, waste of a class of people who are just pointless. They are found on the council estates up and down the country with their teenage mothers etc. These people are not people we want engaging in voting - because they don't care and we should be giving them the chance to vote but allowing them not to, because if we're honest we're better off with them not voting.

Are you not aware of the concept of a donkey vote? You don't have to vote for anyone. Your vote is private. You just have to turn up at the polling booths, get your name ticked off and put your ballot paper in the ballot box. It is actually your participation that is compulsory.

I don't agree with you making it a class issue. What about members of the so-called "underclass" who do want to vote? I think it would be wrong to say that these people don't care. I think they would want the government to help them out of their wretched state. What about members of the middle class, the upper class or your class (whichever that might be) that don't care? You're singling out a particular class as people who couldn't care less.

I disagree also with your argument that only educated people care, or that educated people wouldn't become disillusioned with politics. If we have a bunch of politicians who just want our vote and don't really have any meaningful policies to put out there, I think that would put plenty of educated people in a state of disillusionment. They have the knowledge to decide what is good for the country, but they aren't interested in working in the government. They leave the nation building and policy-making to the politicians.

If our politicians propose crap policies what are we to do?

It would be nice if there was a web site that provided resources and information that would allow us to put the government under closer scrutiny, instead of having to watch press conferences and debates on TV. Why don't they make the Federal Budget public on a web site? Why don't they post the bills that pass through Parliament on a web site? How do they make their decisions in Parliament? I wish they would make all the documentation public and put it on a web site.

It's just so hard to make a rational decision when we don't even have access to all the relevant information. Some people just give up and become disillusioned with the process.

I hear them quoting and mentioning numbers and figures but I don't know where it originates and therefore can't access the documentation I need to compare these numbers and figures with others that would help me decide if a government wasted money or if it had used it appropriately.

What are your thoughts towards the Australian Federal Election?
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/KVYF99W

Mnemonic there are white papers you can find in PDF form all over the internet there is is also a Parliamentary Library website here with current and older info..

main site here
http://www.aph.gov.au

Library here
http://www.aph.gov.au/library/

bills put up here
http://www.aph.gov.au/bills/index.htm

Del_has_returned wrote on Sep 9^th, 2010 at 1:01pm:

Why on earth would the average voter allow this Labor/Green/Independent fiasco into office?  Total dissatisfaction with both of the major parties? Hardly an excuse because now they’ve allowed a situation which will cause untold damage to the country both economically and image wise. The country cannot afford to alienate the miners; it cannot afford to have its image abroad tarnished by a cacophony of fools who really present a complete picture of total incompetence. This three-ring-circus may not last long, but the damage it will do in whatever time it has, may indeed be irreversible or irrecoverable. Well done Australia!

Would you rather have Tony Abbott as the PM?

Absolutely.

I have never understood this notion of Abbott being "far right-wing".

It's absolutely nonsense, his views are not far off those of my own.

heh heh heh

Vanessa wrote on Sep 10^th, 2010 at 2:30pm:

Del_has_returned wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 1:01pm: Why on earth would the average voter allow this Labor/Green/Independent fiasco into office?  Total dissatisfaction with both of the major parties? Hardly an excuse because now they’ve allowed a situation which will cause untold damage to the country both economically and image wise. The country cannot afford to alienate the miners; it cannot afford to have its image abroad tarnished by a cacophony of fools who really present a complete picture of total incompetence. This three-ring-circus may not last long, but the damage it will do in whatever time it has, may indeed be irreversible or irrecoverable. Well done Australia! Would you rather have Tony Abbott as the PM?

I think the answer to that question is glaringly obvious……of course I would!