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Title: To Dawkins, Hawkins and other fellow materialists Post by athos on Sep 8th, 2010 at 1:46pm So should we accept, without questioning, one of the rising western religions called dogmatic humanism then let this another human god to be a new centre of universe and create everything including other religions or even universe. Should we consider that as sinister plagiarism or naive children’s game, or maybe they are bringing us something really new and original? Actually what they are talking about, it was said thousands years ago by probably the most scorned Indian philosopher called Carvaka who was consider lower of the lowest both by Hindu and Buddhists. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C4%81rv%C4%81ka. Among other things Carvaka said that there is no life after death, that man created God and so on but as the most striking reference to the present time Carvaka said: “ Live well as long as you can Once cremated there is no return Live well even by borrowing money” Carvaka One of the problems of the western civilisation is the historically progressive habit of taking (stealing) thinks for granted and making them dogmatic. Ancient Greeks way of thinking, Aristotle’s syllogism, democracy or, literally barbarically stolen (by British) peaces of Parthenon, all of that was taken for granted without putting enough of own creativity in it. Intuition and inspiration was totally neglected because of logic and reason. Today, training rapidly replacing education because of capitalist and Social Darwinist efficiency. “How to live” and be a “winner” is getting the most important (even if you have plenty) rather than to think why we live, in such spiritual misery. Let’s read this typical atheistic reason for love: “Hunger allows no choice To the citizen or the police; We must love one another or die”. -W.H. Auden It sounds very reasonable and tempted at least on the surface, like modern treatment of children from ADD by giving them ecstasy tablets instead parent’s love. Someone said to me recently: “Everything is poisoned; I would rather be hungry then sick”. Do we need to follow W.H. Auden reason and love people only because of fear from death?. Or maybe we can also love others because of something what’s beyond death. Maybe we should go back and rediscover (as we did 500 years ago) and study Ancient Greek’s wisdom again, but this time properly. I am not fed up of western hypocritical atheistic and nihilistic arrogance because of What They Are (after all children are children) I am more annoyed of What They Think They Are in their unlimited arrogance. |
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Title: Re: To Dawkins, Hawkins and other fellow materialists Post by Time on Sep 9th, 2010 at 9:31am
Looking at the history of thought since the reintroduction of the texts of antiquity it comes as no surprise that we have, as you put it, come to "dogmatic humanism". I wouldn't call it "plagarism", as you have, but rather, the outcome of one idea following from another and them become deeply entrenched in the psyche, which, due to this deep entrenchment, falsely interprets today's ideas as solid reality.
From what I can make out, you are reaching for something "other" than a "way of life" created by human rationality that has a simple ends-means approach - like capitalist social Darwinism? There have been thinkers that have tried to break this mould: Levinas, Heidegger, even certain streams of thought in Nietzsche and Marx. For example, there's quite a bit of talk in Nietzsche circles about reintroducing the wisdom of Heraclitus. Heraclitus is the philsopher of becoming; the endless flow of existence that never stops into being. Every moment is spontaneous becoming, however, when society is regulated to the extent ours is, becoming is stiffled and being is arrived at; hence our rationality, logic, and extremely repetitive and monotonous lifestyles, which many try to escape through drinking, shopping and watching sport. There are ideas out there, it's just that with tabloids, television and the instantiated work ethic, none of it gets through unless they can be reconfigured to support the status quo. |
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