Greens have done well, now the next step.


Greens require to engage Liberal Party and National Party supporters. For Greens to grow further faster.


Would splitting the Greens' How To Vote Card so voters have a preference of either voting Liberal above Labor or vise versa.

As a small l liberal, or a neo con, or a swing voter


would you use the Greens vote to send a message to your political candidates.



Reason I ask, prior to the election pro liberal posters condemned the Greens - Labor preference deal even though the Liberals voted with Labor against the Greens' Bill to end Party Preference Deals.

If Greens had a split ticket, would Liberals vote with the Greens to end party preference deals in this parliament when it forms.

Have all the posters that where critical of the Greens-Labor preference deal lost their typing fingers?

The Greens are commies in disguise and will go last on any conservative ballot.

I would not use the greens to send a message to the major parties. The message needs to be sent to the Greens taht you are extremists whose views do not fit with the majority of voters and "sending a message" only enables the extremists to claim that voters support their extremist position

On the rare occasion that I accept how to vote cards, I tear them up (all of them) and bin them.

Cyberman wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 9:03am:

The Greens are commies in disguise and will go last on any conservative ballot. I would not use the greens to send a message to the major parties. The message needs to be sent to the Greens taht you are extremists whose views do not fit with the majority of voters and "sending a message" only enables the extremists to claim that voters support their extremist position

lalalalalalalalalala commies commies lalalalalalalalalalalalcommies commies lalalalalala suck it up princess because the "commies" are about to help form government,lol ;D ;D ;D

It will be good watching the greens suck the life out of labor, yet never managing to become a major player because civilised society rejects what they stand for.
;D

Green is supposed to be the opposite colour of red. That's where the Australian Greens get it wrong.

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would you use the Greens vote to send a message to your political candidates.

As much as I'm very pleased about the great result for the Greens - if we are forced into another election, they need to stop promoting the necessity of gay marriage and concentrate on the more important environmental issues, which is where their area of expertise lies.

They won't get their message across to anyone apart from a minority unless they promote more national and inclusive policies.

Gay marriage can be sorted out in July after they're secure in their Senate seats, but not at the moment while this election "victory" is still undecided.

____ wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2010 at 11:31pm:

If Greens had a split ticket, would Liberals vote with the Greens to end party preference deals in this parliament when it forms.

Woody, the Greens prey on the simplest minds. Stick with the ALP.

aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 9:29am:

Woody, the Greens prey on the simplest minds. Stick with the ALP.

"To be simple is to be great"

Those who support the Greens aren't simple, but they have to present their arguments simply in order for the Lib voters to comprehend. Unfortunately many of those who vote for the Libs can only understand basic slogans, rhetoric - and little else.

mantra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 9:36am:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 9:29am: Woody, the Greens prey on the simplest minds. Stick with the ALP. "To be simple is to be great" Those who support the Greens aren't simple, but they have to present their arguments simply in order for the Lib voters to comprehend. Unfortunately many of those who vote for the Libs can only understand basic slogans, rhetoric - and little else.

Moooving Foooreward.  Yes we cain!

If the Greens genuinely want the end to preference deals then perhaps that should not enter into them themselves? talk about blatant hypocrisy! and when that preference deal is what possibly gives labor govt then their hypocrisy is magnified. If they understood the notion of 'principle' then they would act on it accordingly. But since preference deals will always be with us then the Greens either need to have asplit preference deal or forever be considered just another labor party. The Democrats understood the split ticket concept and it enabled them to hold considerable pwoer for 30 years. It was in fact only when they decided to become a left-wing party that they disintegrated.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 10:03am:

If the Greens genuinely want the end to preference deals then perhaps that should not enter into them themselves? talk about blatant hypocrisy! and when that preference deal is what possibly gives labor govt then their hypocrisy is magnified. If they understood the notion of 'principle' then they would act on it accordingly. But since preference deals will always be with us then the Greens either need to have asplit preference deal or forever be considered just another labor party. The Democrats understood the split ticket concept and it enabled them to hold considerable pwoer for 30 years. It was in fact only when they decided to become a left-wing party that they disintegrated.

Yes, lets see if Bob Browns as genuine about ending preferences as he claims...

8-)

mellie wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 10:04am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 10:03am: If the Greens genuinely want the end to preference deals then perhaps that should not enter into them themselves? talk about blatant hypocrisy! and when that preference deal is what possibly gives labor govt then their hypocrisy is magnified. If they understood the notion of 'principle' then they would act on it accordingly. But since preference deals will always be with us then the Greens either need to have asplit preference deal or forever be considered just another labor party. The Democrats understood the split ticket concept and it enabled them to hold considerable pwoer for 30 years. It was in fact only when they decided to become a left-wing party that they disintegrated. Yes, lets see if Bob Browns as genuine about ending preferences as he claims... 8-)

So will the coalition side also vote to end party preference deals ... otherwise they have no ground to complain.

Have they the guts to stand up for their convictions ... or was all the huffing just political spin.


Vote with Greens to end party preference deals ... or never again complain about what preference deals Greens negotiate.

The Greens are the only ones screeching about preference deals being immoral yet they enter into them.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Greens

Cyberman wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 11:08am:

The Greens are the only ones screeching about preference deals being immoral yet they enter into them. Hypocrisy, thy name is Greens

So now it's hypocrisy


yet if Greens don't forward a preference deal, they are breaking the election rules.


So Liberals will not change party preference laws ... while being critical of Greens keeping within the law.


If Greens broke the law over not supplying their preferences, would Liberals demand that the Greens be excluded from the election?



Some Liberal posters are crazy, no wonder they backed a side that lost the election.

These are the sort of people Greens preselect:

http://www.vexnews.com/news/10655/bandit-bandt-greens-party-poser-adam-bandt-pushes-pilfering-from-prosperous-and-pounces-on-800000-property/

So much for being “progressive” eh?

Why are we discussing if the Greens should have a split HTV? Are they not of “teh left” and if so what is the fuss about? Are they of “teh left” “teh progressive” when we see Brown suck up to the Libs big time?

Greens are leeches pure and simple.

:D

If the coalition are losers then what does that make the Greens with only 1 seat
;D

Cyberman wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 11:25am:

:D If the coalition are losers then what does that make the Greens with only 1 seat ;D

Better at maths !



Adam Bandt + 9 Senators = 10

Sneaky sneaky..


http://dailybludge.com.au/2010/08/dirty-tricks/

Fake Green How to Vote Cards in Bennelong #electionWIRE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNZvUp-hinc&feature=player_embedded




Has this been properly reported by the mainstream media? Of course not. It is now clear that media bias in this country is out of control.

Our once independent ABC has now become a right-wing stable for News Limited hacks. The board is still stacked with conservatives from the Howard era. Most are up for reappointment next year. If Abbott is in control the same bias will remain or get even worse. We MUST join together to form a powerful progressive voice in this nation. We cannot rely on mainstream media to keep us informed.
Let’s join together as Progress Australians Against Tony Abbott! Please join the group and invite everyone on your contact list. If we can grow the group to 50,000 people or more we will have a solid basis from which we can keep people informed and organise as a progressive movement. Together we can do it!


: :-X :( >:( :'(

wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 12:22pm:

Sneaky sneaky.. http://dailybludge.com.au/2010/08/dirty-tricks/ Fake Green How to Vote Cards in Bennelong #electionWIRE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNZvUp-hinc&feature=player_embedded Has this been properly reported by the mainstream media? Of course not. It is now clear that media bias in this country is out of control. Our once independent ABC has now become a right-wing stable for News Limited hacks. The board is still stacked with conservatives from the Howard era. Most are up for reappointment next year. If Abbott is in control the same bias will remain or get even worse. We MUST join together to form a powerful progressive voice in this nation. We cannot rely on mainstream media to keep us informed. Let’s join together as Progress Australians Against Tony Abbott! Please join the group and invite everyone on your contact list. If we can grow the group to 50,000 people or more we will have a solid basis from which we can keep people informed and organise as a progressive movement. Together we can do it! : :-X :( >:( :'(

They were just a bunch of ALP gays, so everyone mistook them for Greens

aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 1:26pm:

wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 12:22pm: Sneaky sneaky.. http://dailybludge.com.au/2010/08/dirty-tricks/ Fake Green How to Vote Cards in Bennelong #electionWIRE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNZvUp-hinc&feature=player_embedded Has this been properly reported by the mainstream media? Of course not. It is now clear that media bias in this country is out of control. Our once independent ABC has now become a right-wing stable for News Limited hacks. The board is still stacked with conservatives from the Howard era. Most are up for reappointment next year. If Abbott is in control the same bias will remain or get even worse. We MUST join together to form a powerful progressive voice in this nation. We cannot rely on mainstream media to keep us informed. Let’s join together as Progress Australians Against Tony Abbott! Please join the group and invite everyone on your contact list. If we can grow the group to 50,000 people or more we will have a solid basis from which we can keep people informed and organise as a progressive movement. Together we can do it! : :-X :( >:( :'( They were just a bunch of ALP gays, so everyone mistook them for Greens

Another Liberal homophobe, Abbott would call you a good little sheeple.
When you read posts like yours is it any wonder the GREENS would not want to support the Liberals in government.

They were just a bunch of ALP gays, so everyone mistook them for Greens

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I think there seems to be a little Liberal under tone in this....  [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=evil.gif]

skippy. wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 2:19pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 1:26pm: wrote on Aug 24th, 2010 at 12:22pm: Sneaky sneaky.. http://dailybludge.com.au/2010/08/dirty-tricks/ Fake Green How to Vote Cards in Bennelong #electionWIRE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNZvUp-hinc&feature=player_embedded Has this been properly reported by the mainstream media? Of course not. It is now clear that media bias in this country is out of control. Our once independent ABC has now become a right-wing stable for News Limited hacks. The board is still stacked with conservatives from the Howard era. Most are up for reappointment next year. If Abbott is in control the same bias will remain or get even worse. We MUST join together to form a powerful progressive voice in this nation. We cannot rely on mainstream media to keep us informed. Let’s join together as Progress Australians Against Tony Abbott! Please join the group and invite everyone on your contact list. If we can grow the group to 50,000 people or more we will have a solid basis from which we can keep people informed and organise as a progressive movement. Together we can do it! : :-X :( >:( :'( They were just a bunch of ALP gays, so everyone mistook them for Greens Another Liberal homophobe, Abbott would call you a good little sheeple. When you read posts like yours is it any wonder the GREENS would not want to support the Liberals in government.

I'm not sure. I think aussie protests a little too much, you have to wonder. Come out of the closet aussie, we won't tell anyone, and you'll feel better for it.

Why should the Greens split their how to vote cards? Does any other party split theirs?
The job of the Green Party is to represent the ideals of people who voted for  them and to preference the party who will help them get as many members over the line, not to pander to parties like the Libs or Family First who put the Greens last on their tickets.
Lets face it...the old boys clubs of the corrupt ladder climbing union officials and the born to rule inbreeds and their backroom deals is fast coming to an end and future generations will wonder why we put up with these self serving, money draining, corrupt, dirt bags for so long  :)

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Reason I ask, prior to the election pro liberal posters condemned the Greens - Labor preference deal even though the Liberals voted with Labor against the Greens' Bill to end Party Preference Deals.

What did the bill propose?

Greens to introduce bill to strengthen democracy and end secret party deals on Senate preferences


A bill to end Senate preference deals by parties will be introduced into the Senate tomorrow by Australian Greens leader Bob Brown.
The Commonwealth Electoral (Above-the-Line Voting) Amendment Bill 2008 will allow voters to order parties by preference above-the-line in the Senate. At present voters wanting their own choice face the complex job of preferencing individual candidates, rather than parties, below-the-line. With this bill, voters will have the option of numbering the parties above the line in their order of choice, giving them control over the flow of preferences.

"This bill will strengthen our democracy by ensuring that all voters can choose their own line up of parties, rather than being locked into choices made in back room preference deals between parties. It empowers voters over parties," Senator Brown said.


http://bob-brown.greensmps.org.au/content/media-release/greens-introduce-bill-strengthen-democracy-and-end-secret-party-deals-senate-p

OK. That is a good idea, and one I have suggested myself. But it is hardly revolutionary.

Is he also suggesting an end to above the line voting? ie, You now have to rank all parties and can no longer vote 1?

I would prefer people had all 3 options. Although it would confuse Queenslanders as voting 1 would mean something very different to the same thing in a state election.