Has Abbott won a mandate to lead his own Party!?

Discuss.



PS No, this isn't just mischief-making - I've been looking at the swings and TPP results for Abbott, Hockey and Turnbull and they reveal an interesting picture. More details soon...

Judging by who is supporting Abbott within the Coalition we can expect to see some hard right fascism coming from Abbott and his cronies.....the right wing of the Liberal party are behind Abbott and will drive his agenda......Abbott and fascist Barbie will now repay their right wing mates for their support....well done Australia.....you will get what you deserve!!!

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Some really mad ravings there you too.  Thanks for the belly laughs.
Australia has rejected the Stalinist one term wonders.
I don`t believe the Liberals were born to rule, but it certainly appears that the ALP was born for opposition.  Not enough Australians were taken in by the spin and fibs. The crazy excesses of the Labor party hurt the country too much.

I hear you Phil, but I'm not so sure that Abbott is safe at the helm - and in spite of all the recent rhetoric about knifing a popularly-elected Leader...

After all, Abbott's ascension was somewhat of an accidental default-cum-stopgap measure...

aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 9:15am:

Some really mad ravings there you too.  Thanks for the belly laughs. Australia has rejected the Stalinist one term wonders. I don`t believe the Liberals were born to rule, but it certainly appears that the ALP was born for opposition.  Not enough Australians were taken in by the spin and fibs. The crazy excesses of the Labor party hurt the country too much.

Settle down for a little while, AF2R...have you looked at the swing and TPP figures, in the respective seats of Abbott, Jockstrap and Talksbull!?

Equitist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 9:21am:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 9:15am: Some really mad ravings there you too.  Thanks for the belly laughs. Australia has rejected the Stalinist one term wonders. I don`t believe the Liberals were born to rule, but it certainly appears that the ALP was born for opposition.  Not enough Australians were taken in by the spin and fibs. The crazy excesses of the Labor party hurt the country too much. Settle down for a little while, AF2R...have you looked at the swing and TPP figures, in the respective seats of Abbott, Jockstrap and Talksbull!?

;D ;D ;D

According to the ABC's election web-site, these are the outcomes in each of the relevant wannabe Lib Leaders' seats...

http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2010/guide/electorateresults.htm


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77.8% counted. Last updated Sun Aug 22 01:32AM Time      Count % Electorate    Held By   Margin   2PP %      Swing       Malcolm Turnbull 23:25      71.3      Wentworth       L/NP      3.9      65.8      12.0% to LIB       Joe Hockey 21:23      72.9      North Sydney   L/NP      5.5      64.8       9.3% to LIB       Tony Abbott 23:23      77.0      Warringah        L/NP      8.8      63.8      5.0% to LIB

Who was/is the most popularly-elected of these 3 - certainly NOT Abbott!?

Moreover, Abbott only won the dodgy interim leadership spill by one vote and Joe Jockstrap wasn't even officially in the running...

Speaking of Abbott, ABC24 just flashed up an alert that he will be speaking to the media shortly...

I think you are trying to read a bit too much into those numbers.

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 9:43am:

I think you are trying to read a bit too much into those numbers.

Maybe - but, given the bizarre circumstances under which Abbott came to the head job, and the likelihood that Turnbull and Hockey had some sort of pact for a future coup: don't you reckon that Turnbull and/or Hockey (and their many internal moderate supporters) will be looking at those numbers and canvassing all options!?

I think you'd have to be clinically insane to suggest that last night was anything other than a triumph for Tony Abbott, a triumph for Bob Brown and an unmitigated disaster for Julia Gillard.


We look like hopefully having a Liberal Prime Minister again.

Just one term after opposition.

Just 10 months after looking like the Liberals were going to lose 20 seats.

Instead we have killed off any carbon scheme too!

It's bloody good times!

Hockey and Turnbull got bigger swings than Abbott and let's face it, are more popular guys. But Abbott successfully led the Coalition from shambles to possibly taking government back after just one term. That is pretty remarkable. That shows he has great leadership skills. He may not be the most popular Liberal in the country but he is probably their most competent leader. You need a leader in the leadership role, not just your most popular guy. Tony Abbott has more than earned the right to lead.

BobH wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 11:16am:

Hockey and Turnbull got bigger swings than Abbott and let's face it, are more popular guys. But Abbott successfully led the Coalition from shambles to possibly taking government back after just one term. That is pretty remarkable. That shows he has great leadership skills. He may not be the most popular Liberal in the country but he is probably their most competent leader. You need a leader in the leadership role, not just your most popular guy. Tony Abbott has more than earned the right to lead.

That's an excellent point.
Brendan Nelson would have enjoyed a huge swing too.

He was a very well liked guy, but a terrible political leader.

Leaders need to be made of stronger stuff than being nice.

Abbott has led a successful campaign.
Gillard has not.

As much as you love Turnbull, the proof is in the pudding.

Turnbull was getting smashed as the opposition leader, Abbott took them from a 10 year wilderness to a possible victory.

As much as you dont like the guy, you have to admit he has done great things for the Libs in this campaign.

Verge wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:17pm:

As much as you love Turnbull, the proof is in the pudding. Turnbull was getting smashed as the opposition leader, Abbott took them from a 10 year wilderness to a possible victory. As much as you dont like the guy, you have to admit he has done great things for the Libs in this campaign.

It doesn't matter whether or not I personally like Abbott, it matters whether the ELECTORATE likes and trusts the Liberal Party's accidental/interim leader...

An objective look at the 2010 election figures for Abbott, Turnbull and Hockey should be cause for great concern for the Liberal powermongers...

Malcolm Turnbull - TPP 65.8%, 12.0% swing

Joe Hockey - TPP 64.8%, 9.3% swing

Tony Abbott - TPP 63.8%, 5.0% swing

Seriously, a mere 5% swing to a LibLab leader seems extraordinarily low to me - and in the electoral popularity-stakes, Abbott is clearly the least user-friendly of the 3...
       
Moreover, the most (3.8%) of the 5.5% leakage from the Labs was soaked up by the Greens and Independents - not the Abbott Libs who only gained 1.8%...

Hmmnnn....those figures might largely explain, why media-manic Action Man Abbo has gone AWOL today...

Equitist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:29pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 12:17pm: As much as you love Turnbull, the proof is in the pudding. Turnbull was getting smashed as the opposition leader, Abbott took them from a 10 year wilderness to a possible victory. As much as you dont like the guy, you have to admit he has done great things for the Libs in this campaign. It doesn't matter whether or not I personally like Abbott, it matters whether the ELECTORATE likes and trusts the Liberal Party's accidental/interim leader... An objective look at the 2010 election figures for Abbott, Turnbull and Hockey should be cause for great concern for the Liberal powermongers... Malcolm Turnbull - TPP 65.8%, 12.0% swing Joe Hockey - TPP 64.8%, 9.3% swing Tony Abbott - TPP 63.8%, 5.0% swing Seriously, a mere 5% swing to a LibLab leader seems extraordinarily low to me - and in the electoral popularity-stakes, Abbott is clearly the least user-friendly of the 3...         Moreover, the most (3.8%) of the 5.5% leakage from the Labs was soaked up by the Greens and Independents - not the Abbott Libs who only gained 1.8%... Hmmnnn....those figures might largely explain, why media-manic Action Man Abbo has gone AWOL today...

Do you want me to get in touch with Tony Abbott and asking to ring you and explain it to you     ;D :D ;)

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 11:18am:

BobH wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 11:16am: Hockey and Turnbull got bigger swings than Abbott and let's face it, are more popular guys. But Abbott successfully led the Coalition from shambles to possibly taking government back after just one term. That is pretty remarkable. That shows he has great leadership skills. He may not be the most popular Liberal in the country but he is probably their most competent leader. You need a leader in the leadership role, not just your most popular guy. Tony Abbott has more than earned the right to lead. That's an excellent point. Brendan Nelson would have enjoyed a huge swing too. He was a very well liked guy, but a terrible political leader. Leaders need to be made of stronger stuff than being nice. Abbott has led a successful campaign. Gillard has not.

Bollox, Abbott was a temporary puppet leader - he was elected by default with only half of the vote...

He was put there as a seat-warmer for Joe Jockstrap - who didn't even run against Abbott!

Now, the Lib powermongers are gonna have a huge dilemma on their hands - risk the collateral damage, of supporting the unleashed delusional divisive loose cannon extremeist bigot Abbott - or replace him with a far more user-friendly moderate...

bwood1946 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:39pm:

Do you want me to get in touch with Tony Abbott and asking to ring you and explain it to you     ;D :D ;)

LOL...best get one of his 'faceless men' puppeteers to call instead!

::)

hold on a minute, they have to get rid of the Labor infighters first, if they'll willingly go. If they won't, then you'll see the real fireworks.

Equitist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:41pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 11:18am: BobH wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 11:16am: Hockey and Turnbull got bigger swings than Abbott and let's face it, are more popular guys. But Abbott successfully led the Coalition from shambles to possibly taking government back after just one term. That is pretty remarkable. That shows he has great leadership skills. He may not be the most popular Liberal in the country but he is probably their most competent leader. You need a leader in the leadership role, not just your most popular guy. Tony Abbott has more than earned the right to lead. That's an excellent point. Brendan Nelson would have enjoyed a huge swing too. He was a very well liked guy, but a terrible political leader. Leaders need to be made of stronger stuff than being nice. Abbott has led a successful campaign. Gillard has not. Bollox, Abbott was a temporary puppet leader - he was elected by default with only half of the vote... He was put there as a seat-warmer for Joe Jockstrap - who didn't even run against Abbott! Now, the Lib powermongers are gonna have a huge dilemma on their hands - risk the collateral damage, of supporting the unleashed delusional divisive loose cannon extremeist bigot Abbott - or replace him with a far more user-friendly moderate...

THY THY THY  sometimes you just come up with SHYTE

;) ;) ;) ;)

Equitist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:29pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 12:17pm: As much as you love Turnbull, the proof is in the pudding. Turnbull was getting smashed as the opposition leader, Abbott took them from a 10 year wilderness to a possible victory. As much as you dont like the guy, you have to admit he has done great things for the Libs in this campaign. It doesn't matter whether or not I personally like Abbott, it matters whether the ELECTORATE likes and trusts the Liberal Party's accidental/interim leader... An objective look at the 2010 election figures for Abbott, Turnbull and Hockey should be cause for great concern for the Liberal powermongers... Malcolm Turnbull - TPP 65.8%, 12.0% swing Joe Hockey - TPP 64.8%, 9.3% swing Tony Abbott - TPP 63.8%, 5.0% swing Seriously, a mere 5% swing to a LibLab leader seems extraordinarily low to me - and in the electoral popularity-stakes, Abbott is clearly the least user-friendly of the 3...         Moreover, the most (3.8%) of the 5.5% leakage from the Labs was soaked up by the Greens and Independents - not the Abbott Libs who only gained 1.8%... Hmmnnn....those figures might largely explain, why media-manic Action Man Abbo has gone AWOL today...

Only in their respective seats.

Reality is Turnbull had the Libs against a wall, Abbott did not.

Abbotts move to block the ETS was instrumental in them being a shot. Turnbull was going to give them one and what was the 2PP percentage back then?

Give it up Thy, just accept Abbott has been better for the Libs than Turnbull was.

Verge wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:46pm:

Equitist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 12:29pm: It doesn't matter whether or not I personally like Abbott, it matters whether the ELECTORATE likes and trusts the Liberal Party's accidental/interim leader... An objective look at the 2010 election figures for Abbott, Turnbull and Hockey should be cause for great concern for the Liberal powermongers... Malcolm Turnbull - TPP 65.8%, 12.0% swing Joe Hockey - TPP 64.8%, 9.3% swing Tony Abbott - TPP 63.8%, 5.0% swing Seriously, a mere 5% swing to a LibLab leader seems extraordinarily low to me - and in the electoral popularity-stakes, Abbott is clearly the least user-friendly of the 3...         Moreover, the most (3.8%) of the 5.5% leakage from the Labs was soaked up by the Greens and Independents - not the Abbott Libs who only gained 1.8%... Hmmnnn....those figures might largely explain, why media-manic Action Man Abbo has gone AWOL today... Only in their respective seats. Reality is Turnbull had the Libs against a wall, Abbott did not. Abbotts move to block the ETS was instrumental in them being a shot. Turnbull was going to give them one and what was the 2PP percentage back then? Give it up Thy, just accept Abbott has been better for the Libs than Turnbull was.

Nope, ye and me both know that: Turnbull would have been far more popular with the electorate if he hadn't been white-anted from within - and the media (and the sacrificial Grech) had not been cynically-utilised by the Liberal Party to trash him in the eyes of the public...

The truth is that Abbott surprised absolutely everybody.
Nobody, even his most ardent supporters, expected he would hold it together through a tough campaign without doing or saying something terminally destructive to his chances, but he determinedly proved them all, including me, wrong.

He wedged Turnbull, he out-campaigned Gillard, he has backed himself and run with the only chance he knew he would ever get, and gone for it with a passion, and amazed us all.

You have to give credit where it is due, and he does deserve credit for all of that, because it was all Him.

His almost manic single mindedness has got him to this point, but what the future holds is anybody's guess, because he has already surprised us, and may plan to keep on doing that.

Equitist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:51pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 12:46pm: Equitist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 12:29pm: It doesn't matter whether or not I personally like Abbott, it matters whether the ELECTORATE likes and trusts the Liberal Party's accidental/interim leader... An objective look at the 2010 election figures for Abbott, Turnbull and Hockey should be cause for great concern for the Liberal powermongers... Malcolm Turnbull - TPP 65.8%, 12.0% swing Joe Hockey - TPP 64.8%, 9.3% swing Tony Abbott - TPP 63.8%, 5.0% swing Seriously, a mere 5% swing to a LibLab leader seems extraordinarily low to me - and in the electoral popularity-stakes, Abbott is clearly the least user-friendly of the 3...         Moreover, the most (3.8%) of the 5.5% leakage from the Labs was soaked up by the Greens and Independents - not the Abbott Libs who only gained 1.8%... Hmmnnn....those figures might largely explain, why media-manic Action Man Abbo has gone AWOL today... Only in their respective seats. Reality is Turnbull had the Libs against a wall, Abbott did not. Abbotts move to block the ETS was instrumental in them being a shot. Turnbull was going to give them one and what was the 2PP percentage back then? Give it up Thy, just accept Abbott has been better for the Libs than Turnbull was. Nope, ye and me both know that: Turnbull would have been far more popular with the electorate if he hadn't been white-anted from within - and the media (and the sacrificial Grech) had not been cynically-utilised by the Liberal Party to trash him in the eyes of the public...

isn't that what happened Kevin Rudd  we can't mention that

;D

mozzaok wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:55pm:

The truth is that Abbott surprised absolutely everybody. Nobody, even his most ardent supporters, expected he would hold it together through a tough campaign without doing or saying something terminally destructive to his chances, but he determinedly proved them all, including me, wrong. He wedged Turnbull, he out-campaigned Gillard, he has backed himself and run with the only chance he knew he would ever get, and gone for it with a passion, and amazed us all. You have to give credit where it is due, and he does deserve credit for all of that, because it was all Him. His almost manic single mindedness has got him to this point, but what the future holds is anybody's guess, because he has already surprised us, and may plan to keep on doing that.

Fair call Mozz, and a fair post.

mozzaok wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:55pm:

The truth is that Abbott surprised absolutely everybody. Nobody, even his most ardent supporters, expected he would hold it together through a tough campaign without doing or saying something terminally destructive to his chances, but he determinedly proved them all, including me, wrong. He wedged Turnbull, he out-campaigned Gillard, he has backed himself and run with the only chance he knew he would ever get, and gone for it with a passion, and amazed us all. You have to give credit where it is due, and he does deserve credit for all of that, because it was all Him. His almost manic single mindedness has got him to this point, but what the future holds is anybody's guess, because he has already surprised us, and may plan to keep on doing that.

Tony Abbott gets first prize for the "most improved" federal politician, while Judas Gillard most certainly DOES NOT win "best & fairest".

Equitist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 9:30am:

According to the ABC's election web-site, these are the outcomes in each of the relevant wannabe Lib Leaders' seats... http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2010/guide/electorateresults.htm Quote: 77.8% counted. Last updated Sun Aug 22 01:32AM Time      Count % Electorate    Held By   Margin   2PP %      Swing       Malcolm Turnbull 23:25      71.3      Wentworth       L/NP      3.9      65.8      12.0% to LIB       Joe Hockey 21:23      72.9      North Sydney   L/NP      5.5      64.8       9.3% to LIB       Tony Abbott 23:23      77.0      Warringah        L/NP      8.8      63.8      5.0% to LIB Who was/is the most popularly-elected of these 3 - certainly NOT Abbott!? Moreover, Abbott only won the dodgy interim leadership spill by one vote and Joe Jockstrap wasn't even officially in the running...

thats totally silly 'logic'. Howard stood in a marginal seat for several elections and won by very small majorities. it didnt make him a less mandated leader than those who stool din electorates with 20% margins.

Tony Abbott is a liberal hero in the party today. He took a party that was looking like losing 205 MORE seats to the Government benches. He is the first leader to topple an elected PM. He is the first leader to defeat a govt in its first term. By any measure of success he has achevied the almost impossible. The leadership of the Liberal party is his by a virtual unanimous decision.  His one-vote victory in the leadership tussle last year is but a distant memory. 'winners are grinners' and in this case there is only ONE WINNER - PM Tony Abbott.

mozzaok wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:55pm:

The truth is that Abbott surprised absolutely everybody. Nobody, even his most ardent supporters, expected he would hold it together through a tough campaign without doing or saying something terminally destructive to his chances, but he determinedly proved them all, including me, wrong. He wedged Turnbull, he out-campaigned Gillard, he has backed himself and run with the only chance he knew he would ever get, and gone for it with a passion, and amazed us all. You have to give credit where it is due, and he does deserve credit for all of that, because it was all Him. His almost manic single mindedness has got him to this point, but what the future holds is anybody's guess, because he has already surprised us, and may plan to keep on doing that.

Abbott surprised me too. I expected a few faus pas and a few interview disasters - but they didnt eventuate. Some of history's great leaders were accidental ones. Maybe Abbott has found within him the stuff of greatness... or perhaps labor are just that bad that anyone could have won!

Equitist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 9:21am:

[quote author=aussiefree2ride link=1282431701/0#2 date=1282432556] Settle down for a little while, AF2R...have you looked at the swing and TPP figures, in the respective seats of Abbott, Jockstrap and Talksbull!?

This from the one who was whingeing a few days ago about someone referring to Gillard as Judas.  

You were not prepared to accept what most of us knew, that Abbott is an extremely intelligent man,  has had enough experience in politics to know how to campaign and is very competent.  Some of you were too busy belittling him for being a surf lifesaver and enjoying physical exercise to see the real person.  

He has certainly earned the respect of his colleagues for this effort of bringing the Libs out of the wilderness to the brink of leading the country.

Abbott has won the biggest mandate to being leader of his party since Keating won the un-winnable 1993 election.

Im amazed that there is anyone silly enough to seriously question Abbott's absolute control of the party!

bwood1946 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:56pm:

Equitist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 12:51pm: Nope, ye and me both know that: Turnbull would have been far more popular with the electorate if he hadn't been white-anted from within - and the media (and the sacrificial Grech) had not been cynically-utilised by the Liberal Party to trash him in the eyes of the public... isn't that what happened Kevin Rudd  we can't mention that ;D

On the contrary, the Labs kept up the public image of unity behind Rudd fairly well - hence the surprise (that the Libs ruthlessly capitalised upon) when he was ultimately knifed...

By contrast, the Libs had already mortally-wounded Turnbull and paved the way for Hockey to take over - His knifing was very much expected hence there was no real surprise (and much incredulity that Abbott got up)...

Equitist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:32pm:

bwood1946 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 12:56pm: Equitist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 12:51pm: Nope, ye and me both know that: Turnbull would have been far more popular with the electorate if he hadn't been white-anted from within - and the media (and the sacrificial Grech) had not been cynically-utilised by the Liberal Party to trash him in the eyes of the public... isn't that what happened Kevin Rudd  we can't mention that ;D On the contrary, the Labs kept up the public image of unity behind Rudd fairly well - hence the surprise (that the Libs ruthlessly capitalised upon) when he was ultimately knifed... By contrast, the Libs had already mortally-wounded Turnbull and paved the way for Hockey to take over - His knifing was very much expected hence there was no real surprise (and much incredulity that Abbott got up)...

Soooo, you`ve convinced yourself, that`s the easy part.  The hard part will be convincing anyone else.

nichy wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:22pm:

Equitist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 9:21am: [quote author=aussiefree2ride link=1282431701/0#2 date=1282432556] Settle down for a little while, AF2R...have you looked at the swing and TPP figures, in the respective seats of Abbott, Jockstrap and Talksbull!? This from the one who was whingeing a few days ago about someone referring to Gillard as Judas.   You were not prepared to accept what most of us knew, that Abbott is an extremely intelligent man,  has had enough experience in politics to know how to campaign and is very competent.  Some of you were too busy belittling him for being a surf lifesaver and enjoying physical exercise to see the real person.   He has certainly earned the respect of his colleagues for this effort of bringing the Libs out of the wilderness to the brink of leading the country.

Bollox - show me where I 'whinged' about that! I think you will find that I highlighted the hypcrisy of those right whinging parrots on here, who were whinging about lefties calling their beloved LNP pollies names...

As for your claims re internal Party 'respect' - I think you will find that: there is actually a fairly even divide, betwixt those who dogmatically worship him and those moderates who pragmatically worry about his potential to drag the party down towards the divisive and bigoted religious right...

Moreover, I guarantee you that: the moderates are currently plotting whether/when to stage a coup or formally split from the religious righteous nutjobs...

Equitist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:42pm:

nichy wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 1:22pm: Equitist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 9:21am: [quote author=aussiefree2ride link=1282431701/0#2 date=1282432556] Settle down for a little while, AF2R...have you looked at the swing and TPP figures, in the respective seats of Abbott, Jockstrap and Talksbull!? This from the one who was whingeing a few days ago about someone referring to Gillard as Judas.   You were not prepared to accept what most of us knew, that Abbott is an extremely intelligent man,  has had enough experience in politics to know how to campaign and is very competent.  Some of you were too busy belittling him for being a surf lifesaver and enjoying physical exercise to see the real person.   He has certainly earned the respect of his colleagues for this effort of bringing the Libs out of the wilderness to the brink of leading the country. Bollox - show me where I 'whinged' about that! I think you will find that I highlighted the hypcrisy of those right whinging parrots on here, who were whinging about lefties calling their beloved LNP pollies names... As for your claims re internal Party 'respect' - I think you will find that: there is actually a fairly even divide, betwixt those who dogmatically worship him and those moderates who pragmatically worry about his potential to drag the party down towards the divisive and bigoted religious right... Moreover, I guarantee you that: the moderates are currently plotting whether/when to stage a coup or formally split from the religious righteous nutjobs...

You must live in a very dark & shadowy world equatist.   ;D

Abbott's surprise success yesterday, has created a problem for the aspirations of a large group of Moderate Libs - who had planned a post-election coup in expectation of unequivocal defeat...

This is an outside possibility - but we are yet to see, whether any of those alienated Moderates are apt to defect as Independents and approach the Labs to assist them to form Govt...perhaps with some kind of coalition...

I can think of one highly popular, disaffected, disowned and self-serving Republican who still has his sights set on becoming Oz's first President - and I reckon that he can be seduced to defect...

aussiefree2ride wrote on Jan 1^st, 1970 at 10:00am:

You must live in a very dark & shadowy world equatist.   ;D

I'd have to agree 100% with you there aussiefree2ride.  I suppose that's what comes with having your head where it shouldn't be.

Equitist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:58pm:

Abbott's surprise success yesterday, has created a problem for the aspirations of a large group of Moderate Libs - who had planned a post-election coup in expectation of unequivocal defeat... This is an outside possibility - but we are yet to see, whether any of those alienated Moderates are apt to defect as Independents and approach the Labs to assist them to form Govt...perhaps with some kind of coalition... I can think of one highly popular, disaffected, disowned and self-serving Republican who still has his sights set on becoming Oz's first President - and I reckon that he can be seduced to defect...

You really are a drama queen mate.  Its one thing to not like Abbott, its another to say people will defect.

Whos not to say someone wont defect from the ALP for the same reason?

nichy wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 2:01pm:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Jan 1st, 1970 at 10:00am: I'd have to agree 100% with you there aussiefree2ride.  I suppose that's what comes with having your head where it shouldn't be. ;D ;D Must be hard on the spinal column too, unless it`s jelly.  :D Title: Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Post by Equitist on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:08pm LOL...the Libs are nowhere near as united behind the rabid Abbott monster as you lot want to believe... Scoff all you like but, as we debate this, the Moderate Libs are considering the following question: - How do you solve a problem like Tony Abbott!? Guaranteed! Mark my words, that their dysfunctional disunity will come to the fore...sooner or later... We may not hear about it for quite a while - but it will eventually come out...perhaps in someone's memoirs... Title: Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Post by Verge on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:10pm Equitist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:08pm: LOL...the Libs are nowhere near as united behind the rabid Abbott monster as you lot want to believe... Scoff all you like but, as we debate this, the Moderate Libs are considering the following question: - How do you solve a problem like Tony Abbott!? Guaranteed! Mark my words, that their dysfunctional disunity will come to the fore...sooner or later... We may not hear about it for quite a while - but it will eventually come out...perhaps in someone's memoirs... Much the same as not everyone is as united behind Judas as you would like to believe. You lost the seat of Melbourne because of her remember. Title: Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Post by nichy on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:11pm ;D ;D  Must be hard on the spinal column too, unless it`s jelly.    ;D ;D And that ring around the neck !  eeerk !   ;D ;D   Title: Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Post by Equitist on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:13pm Verge wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:04pm: Equitist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 1:58pm: Abbott's surprise success yesterday, has created a problem for the aspirations of a large group of Moderate Libs - who had planned a post-election coup in expectation of unequivocal defeat... This is an outside possibility - but we are yet to see, whether any of those alienated Moderates are apt to defect as Independents and approach the Labs to assist them to form Govt...perhaps with some kind of coalition... I can think of one highly popular, disaffected, disowned and self-serving Republican who still has his sights set on becoming Oz's first President - and I reckon that he can be seduced to defect... You really are a drama queen mate.  Its one thing to not like Abbott, its another to say people will defect. Whos not to say someone wont defect from the ALP for the same reason? I don't doubt that possibility at all... Meantime, I expect that you are also wondering what is going on behind the scenes in the Liberal Party - given that Abbott is claiming a perpetual 'popularly-elected' mandate to lead the Party, despite having been installed as a default stop-gap measure and seat-warmer for Joe Jockstrap in the first instance... I don't expect anybody to publicly agree with me - but I know that many will be wondering along similar lines... Title: Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Post by aussiefree2ride on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:13pm nichy wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:11pm: ;D ;D  Must be hard on the spinal column too, unless it`s jelly.    ;D ;D And that ring around the neck !  eeerk !   ;D ;D   ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Post by Equitist on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:14pm Verge wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:10pm: Equitist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:08pm: LOL...the Libs are nowhere near as united behind the rabid Abbott monster as you lot want to believe... Scoff all you like but, as we debate this, the Moderate Libs are considering the following question: - How do you solve a problem like Tony Abbott!? Guaranteed! Mark my words, that their dysfunctional disunity will come to the fore...sooner or later... We may not hear about it for quite a while - but it will eventually come out...perhaps in someone's memoirs... Much the same as not everyone is as united behind Judas as you would like to believe. You lost the seat of Melbourne because of her remember. On the contrary - I see Melbourne as an important gain - and some of you seem to be forgetting that I am a Greens supporter... Title: Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Post by Equitist on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:27pm Thank you, Nichy: - http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1282437593/9#9 aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:21pm: nichy wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:08pm: Equitist can't bear the fact that neither Hockey (who never wanted to be) or Turnbull (who has a penchant for labor) is sitting at the top of the heap,  and that Tony Abbott had brought the Libs from the depths to taking the majority away from Labor.   It might interest her to know that both Hockey and Turnbull are of the same religious persuasion as Abbott too - as I believe her hatred of Abbott has something, or a lot, to do with that. Incidentally Rudd is actually of the same persuasion too .(When it suits him) That poster harbors an inordinate quantity of discriminatory religious bigotry.  Sad really, that a person could be so twisted by such prejudice and hatred. LOL...I don't support any of them - just pointing out that Turnbull and Hockey are far more user-friendly than Abbott... Besides, Hockey does want the head job - with two infants at home, it just wasn't convenient for him to take over last December - he stood back as a martyr so that he could have a tilt at the leadership, after what he had expected to be an electoral bloodbath for an Abbott-led Coalition... We'll all just have to wait and see, what will happen over the coming hours, days, weeks, months and years... Title: Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Post by Verge on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:35pm Equitist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:13pm: Verge wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:04pm: Equitist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 1:58pm: Abbott's surprise success yesterday, has created a problem for the aspirations of a large group of Moderate Libs - who had planned a post-election coup in expectation of unequivocal defeat... This is an outside possibility - but we are yet to see, whether any of those alienated Moderates are apt to defect as Independents and approach the Labs to assist them to form Govt...perhaps with some kind of coalition... I can think of one highly popular, disaffected, disowned and self-serving Republican who still has his sights set on becoming Oz's first President - and I reckon that he can be seduced to defect... You really are a drama queen mate.  Its one thing to not like Abbott, its another to say people will defect. Whos not to say someone wont defect from the ALP for the same reason? I don't doubt that possibility at all... Meantime, I expect that you are also wondering what is going on behind the scenes in the Liberal Party - given that Abbott is claiming a perpetual 'popularly-elected' mandate to lead the Party, despite having been installed as a default stop-gap measure and seat-warmer for Joe Jockstrap in the first instance... I don't expect anybody to publicly agree with me - but I know that many will be wondering along similar lines... I dont see the Libs knifing a bloke who took them political widerness to possible victory in 8 short months. Title: Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Post by Equitist on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:44pm Verge wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:35pm: I dont see the Libs knifing a bloke who took them political widerness to possible victory in 8 short months. Not yet, at least... ::) Title: Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Post by bwood1946 on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:50pm Equitist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:44pm: Verge wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:35pm: I dont see the Libs knifing a bloke who took them political widerness to possible victory in 8 short months. Not yet, at least... ::) ALP v Coalition     Australian Federal Election 2010/11 - Minority Government  Next -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29-8-2010 17:00AEST   Winner Coalition  1.50 Australian Labor Party  2.55 Pay on the party which supplies the Prime Minister following the 2010 Federal election. Bets   Title: Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Post by Equitist on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 3:00pm bwood1946 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:50pm: Equitist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:44pm: Verge wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:35pm: I dont see the Libs knifing a bloke who took them political widerness to possible victory in 8 short months. Not yet, at least... ::) ALP v Coalition     Australian Federal Election 2010/11 - Minority Government  Next -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29-8-2010 17:00AEST   Winner Coalition  1.50 Australian Labor Party  2.55 Pay on the party which supplies the Prime Minister following the 2010 Federal election. Bets   Notwithstanding that you have just posted a poll that is barely relevant to this thread's subject matter... Gillard is on ABC24 right now - stating that she fully intends to negotiate to form Govt... Let us wait and see what Abbott has to say, when he wakes up from his post-manic-bender and fronts the media... Then let us wait some more, until the whole thing is sorted...and then to see how the dynamics of the whole changed political lanscape plays out... Either way, Abbott is NOT a popularly-elected 'Leader' - and, despite your blinkered protestations, time will prove that fact... Title: Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Post by longweekend58 on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 3:02pm Equitist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:13pm: Verge wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 2:04pm: Equitist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 1:58pm: Abbott's surprise success yesterday, has created a problem for the aspirations of a large group of Moderate Libs - who had planned a post-election coup in expectation of unequivocal defeat... This is an outside possibility - but we are yet to see, whether any of those alienated Moderates are apt to defect as Independents and approach the Labs to assist them to form Govt...perhaps with some kind of coalition... I can think of one highly popular, disaffected, disowned and self-serving Republican who still has his sights set on becoming Oz's first President - and I reckon that he can be seduced to defect... You really are a drama queen mate.  Its one thing to not like Abbott, its another to say people will defect. Whos not to say someone wont defect from the ALP for the same reason? I don't doubt that possibility at all... Meantime, I expect that you are also wondering what is going on behind the scenes in the Liberal Party - given that Abbott is claiming a perpetual 'popularly-elected' mandate to lead the Party, despite having been installed as a default stop-gap measure and seat-warmer for Joe Jockstrap in the first instance... I don't expect anybody to publicly agree with me - but I know that many will be wondering along similar lines... I dont know how ANYONE can agree with yrou insane assessments. they are illogical and toally based on the fatasies that you construct in your own mind. Title: Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Post by Equitist on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 3:07pm longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 3:02pm: I dont know how ANYONE can agree with yrou insane assessments. they are illogical and toally based on the fatasies that you construct in your own mind. LOL...best you lot just keep on blindly worshipping your Libs and other doGs - and leave the lateral thinking up to others... Title: Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Post by Del_has_returned on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 4:00pm wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 3:07pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 3:02pm: I dont know how ANYONE can agree with yrou insane assessments. they are illogical and toally based on the fatasies that you construct in your own mind. LOL...best you lot just keep on blindly worshipping your Libs and other doGs - and leave the lateral thinking up to others... You’re a “lateral thinker” then are you thunderthighs”?    Can’t get away from the fact that your rusty crusty heroin is now begging to maintain her very very short term as an unelected PM…………..guess what dipshit, she still hasn’t been elected. You are as smacking deluded a buzzzzzzzzzz…….. Title: Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Post by longweekend58 on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 4:29pm Quote: Either way, Abbott is NOT a popularly-elected 'Leader' - and, despite your blinkered protestations, time will prove that fact... have you not seen the election results nemesis????? abbott scored WAY more of the popular vote than any other party leader - byt the proverbial country mile and is now odds-on to become PM.  on exactly WHAT PLANET is he not 'popularly elected'??? Title: Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Post by Verge on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 4:49pm Equitist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 9:30am: According to the ABC's election web-site, these are the outcomes in each of the relevant wannabe Lib Leaders' seats... http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2010/guide/electorateresults.htm Quote: 77.8% counted. Last updated Sun Aug 22 01:32AM Time      Count % Electorate    Held By   Margin   2PP %      Swing       Malcolm Turnbull 23:25      71.3      Wentworth       L/NP      3.9      65.8      12.0% to LIB       Joe Hockey 21:23      72.9      North Sydney   L/NP      5.5      64.8       9.3% to LIB       Tony Abbott 23:23      77.0      Warringah        L/NP      8.8      63.8      5.0% to LIB Who was/is the most popularly-elected of these 3 - certainly NOT Abbott!? Moreover, Abbott only won the dodgy interim leadership spill by one vote and Joe Jockstrap wasn't even officially in the running... Gillard took her seat with a 64.4% majority, are you suggesting Joe Hockey should be PM ahead of her since his is higher than hers?. Talk about reaching. Title: Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Post by Verge on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 4:51pm This one is interesting from the ABC "On Insiders, the panel cheekily suggests the Coalition could offer Kevin Rudd the Speaker's job. The panel also agrees there will be recriminations towards Rudd within the party...because Labor believes he was responsible for damaging leaks during the campaign" Title: Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Post by longweekend58 on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 4:53pm Verge wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 4:51pm: This one is interesting from the ABC "On Insiders, the panel cheekily suggests the Coalition could offer Kevin Rudd the Speaker's job. The panel also agrees there will be recriminations towards Rudd within the party...because Labor believes he was responsible for damaging leaks during the campaign" ACtually, thats not a bad idea! Imagine Rudd telling Gillard to be quiet on the opposition benches!!! Title: Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Post by qikvtec on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 9:07pm Equitist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 3:07pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 3:02pm: I dont know how ANYONE can agree with yrou insane assessments. they are illogical and toally based on the fatasies that you construct in your own mind. LOL...best you lot just keep on blindly worshipping your Libs and other doGs - and leave the lateral thinking up to others... One thing's a real possibility Thy, if Abbott does form a govt with the assistance of a number of independents, your lot might have a great deal of time in the political wilderness to think laterally. Title: Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Post by Equitist on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 9:12pm *Ignoring certain comments, for the time being* As I mentioned elsewhere, here's an interesting comment from someone over at the ABC's Drum Unleashed: - Quote: Blackie : 22 Aug 2010 2:35:09pm A little bird in Canberra phoned me this morning and told me about the possibility of Malcom Turnbull (now frustrated by Tony Abbott's unexpected success and his certainty to retain the leadership)leaving the Coalition to sit on the cross benches as a sixth independent? Might this mean he would then be offered a cabinet position in a Gillard minority government with responsibility for implementing an Emissions Trading Scheme as well as preparing the groundwork for Australia to become a Republic? It sounded too incredible, but in the current environment anything is possible and stranger things have happened - we are certainly living in interesting times! http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2990039.htm#comments Apparently, the new Nat who replaced Tuckey also intends to sit on the cross-benches... Seriously, how united are the Libs and Nats behind Abbott!? Is there a mutiny afoot!? Title: Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Post by Soren on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 9:19pm Equitist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 9:12pm: Is there a mutiny afoot!? Are you sane? Title: Re: Has Abbott won mandate to lead his own Party? Post by Verge on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 9:56pm Equitist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 9:12pm: *Ignoring certain comments, for the time being* As I mentioned elsewhere, here's an interesting comment from someone over at the ABC's Drum Unleashed: - Quote: Blackie : 22 Aug 2010 2:35:09pm A little bird in Canberra phoned me this morning and told me about the possibility of Malcom Turnbull (now frustrated by Tony Abbott's unexpected success and his certainty to retain the leadership)leaving the Coalition to sit on the cross benches as a sixth independent? Might this mean he would then be offered a cabinet position in a Gillard minority government with responsibility for implementing an Emissions Trading Scheme as well as preparing the groundwork for Australia to become a Republic? It sounded too incredible, but in the current environment anything is possible and stranger things have happened - we are certainly living in interesting times! http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2990039.htm#comments Apparently, the new Nat who replaced Tuckey also intends to sit on the cross-benches... Seriously, how united are the Libs and Nats behind Abbott!? Is there a mutiny afoot!? And how united are they under Gillard. Under rudd they had a solid 2PP vote, now they dont even have the Pm. Australian Politics Forum » Powered by YaBB 2.5.2! YaBB Forum Software © 2000-2026. All Rights Reserved.