Now that's not very nice Cyberman.

I'm happy the Greens have done so well in the Senate. The coalition will form a government, but they will have a couple of the Independents and the Greens to keep them in line.

They will not have the same power they had under Howard, which is a good thing.

mantra wrote on Aug 21^st, 2010 at 10:56pm:

Now that's not very nice Cyberman. I'm happy the Greens have done so well in the Senate. The coalition will form a government, but they will have a couple of the Independents and the Greens to keep them in line. They will not have the same power they had under Howard, which is a good thing.

Have to agree Mantra, I cant stand sore losers, but nasty winners are probably worse still.

So...perhaps cybermans just had a few and is a bit spirited tonight?

;)...Congrats on your 3 Greens seats Mantra...it takes the very best from all partys to be a democracy...so as you say, it will keep either libs /labs on their toes in parliament.

SO good outcomes for all, including our independents this election.

The campaign was dull, but the tally-room floor  has well and truly compensated.
:)

What this shows is that, even with the huge preferences assistance from the Greens, the GALP could not get over the line and the likely result will be a coalition majority.

Monk will be thrashing himself and skip will not reappear from his rock for years.

After listening to three of the Independents tonight - they come across as very sensible and will be cautious about their alliances.

Unfortunately Labor's primary vote was abysmal - so the majority have chosen.

With the 5 decent Independents, 1 Green and a senate seat for the Greens in every state apart from the ACT - we should have a halfway decent government.  

mellie wrote on Aug 21^st, 2010 at 11:01pm:

mantra wrote on Aug 21st, 2010 at 10:56pm: Now that's not very nice Cyberman. I'm happy the Greens have done so well in the Senate. The coalition will form a government, but they will have a couple of the Independents and the Greens to keep them in line. They will not have the same power they had under Howard, which is a good thing. Have to agree Mantra, I cant stand sore losers, but nasty winners are probably worse still. So...perhaps cybermans just had a few and is a bit spirited tonight? ;)...Congrats on your 3 Greens seats Mantra...it takes the very best from all partys to be a democracy...so as you say, it will keep either libs /labs on their toes in parliament. SO good outcomes for all, including our independents this election. The campaign was dull, but the tally-room floor  has well and truly compensated. :)

Crow is a dish dish best eaten cold. I am just giving those most vocal their just deserts...crow with icecream.

Skip has already declared that have would sh!t his pants

Quote:

So...perhaps cybermans just had a few and is a bit spirited tonight?

Haha. I didn't notice any startling change in him.


Quote:

Monk will be thrashing himself and skip will not reappear from his rock for years.

I think Skippy will be happy that the Greens have done so well. I'm not sure about Monk - he hates the Greens, but they're here to stay - as long as Bob Brown is alive anyway.

mantra wrote on Aug 21^st, 2010 at 11:12pm:

Quote: So...perhaps cybermans just had a few and is a bit spirited tonight? Haha. I didn't notice any startling change in him. [quote]Monk will be thrashing himself and skip will not reappear from his rock for years.

I think Skippy will be happy that the Greens have done so well. I'm not sure about Monk - he hates the Greens, but they're here to stay - as long as Bob Brown is alive anyway.[/quote]


Don't be so sure . . .

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Don't be so sure

About what - that the Greens are here to stay?

No, I'm sure that we will see Green and Labor battle it out for their share of 47-50% of the vote  ;D

Watching the left beat each other about the head is one of the great joys of democracy  ;D

The Greens gave their preferences to Labor to get a voice, but I doubt they are too concerned about the fact that we probably have a coalition victory.

They are happy to have moved a little further up the ladder and done so well in the Senate. Even the fact that Adam Bandt won a seat is a great victory for them. There is also Andrew Wilkie - who more than likely will support the Greens and add momentum to their policies.

mantra wrote on Aug 21^st, 2010 at 11:24pm:

The Greens gave their preferences to Labor to get a voice, but I doubt they are too concerned about the fact that we probably have a coalition victory. They are happy to have moved a little further up the ladder and done so well in the Senate. Even the fact that Adam Bandt won a seat is a great victory for them. There is also Andrew Wilkie - who more than likely will support the Greens and add momentum to their policies.

I predict Adam Bwandts election will end up the same as Maxine McWho's

mantra wrote on Aug 21^st, 2010 at 11:15pm:

Quote: Don't be so sure About what - that the Greens are here to stay?

Absolutely.

The lesson is in fact in this election.

This is an election where the Greens should have blitzed both the Labor Party and the coalition, on the basis of the failure of the Labor Party to deliver what the Labor Party promised.

The Labor Party destroyed their faith with the populace on the basis of three key points.

The Carbon Reduction Scheme

The Mining Tax

The Asylum Seekers.

These are the three key areas where the Greens promised to deliver by virtue of their dedication to these policies.

The ALP lost votes with a national swing of 5.4% away from them, and suffered a massive drop in their primary vote.

Yet the Greens only enjoyed a 3.8% swing and at the end of counting picked up just one HoR seat.

Once the Greens start spoiling in the Senate, as the Democrats did, the people will move quickly away from them.

The truth of this will be seen in the first by-election.

The Democrats lost their support when they reneged on their promise to oppose the GST. They never recovered after that. And Howard had the Gall to claim a mandate when the Democrats went against their supporters to back what the voters had NOT voted for

Behave yourselves boys, being drunk does not mean you are allowed to talk rot with impunity.

For all those laughing now, good luck to you, because you must know more than every expert in the country who have unanimously declared this is just too close to call, and cannot say which party, if any, will be able to form a stable government, and that may not be KNOWN for a week or longer.

We live in interesting days.

mozzaok wrote on Aug 21^st, 2010 at 11:55pm:

Behave yourselves boys, being drunk does not mean you are allowed to talk rot with impunity.

I'm guessing 'talking rot' means a little healthy exuberance over a return to a compassionate, stable and cohesive government?

"talking rot" means mozzaok lost

and it's a threat by a leftard bully who has LOST

I think Mozz is speaking for himself. Perhaps he has imbibed a little to much and the result has left him feeling a little limp

Cyberman wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:08am:

I think Mozz is speaking for himself. Perhaps he has imbibed a little to much and the result has left him feeling a little limp

Possibly.

I don't drink so the reference to being drunk may be introspection.

deepthought wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:11am:

Cyberman wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 12:08am: I think Mozz is speaking for himself. Perhaps he has imbibed a little to much and the result has left him feeling a little limp Possibly. I don't drink so the reference to being drunk may be introspection.

Expect the angry drunk to emerge....

I have been watching Penny Wong and Stephen Smith on the ABC.

They seem like angry drunks, without the benefit of grog.

Once you scratch a lefty you get a bitter angry person underneath a very thin veneer.

deepthought wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:16am:

I have been watching Penny Wong and Stephen Smith on the ABC. They seem like angry drunks, without the benefit of grog. Once you scratch a lefty you get a bitter angry person underneath a very thin veneer.

I can tell by her/his (Penny Wongs) demeanour that she knows Libs have it in the bag...she's fostered Gillards Strine...her voice sounds similar these days...am I imagining this, or have others noticed the Joolyafication of the Wong?

mellie wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:19am:

I can tell by her/his (Penny Wongs) demeanour that she knows Libs have it in the bag...she's fostered Gillards Strine...her voice sounds similar these days...am I imagining this, or have others noticed the Joolyafication of the Wong?

Wenny undergoes transformations depending on who is programming her.

This is how she looked when Kev had his hand on her controls.


http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n65/deeper_thought/Wong_Rudd.jpg

Mozz is starting to close threads. He must be seethining

;D

Enthusiasm about a return to a compassionate government can be expressed here.


http://polanimal.com/polanimal/index.php


I have activated guest posting in the Election forum so no registration is even necessary.

mozzaoks a poor loser.

he would make a good labor union thug

deepthought wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:27am:

mellie wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 12:19am: I can tell by her/his (Penny Wongs) demeanour that she knows Libs have it in the bag...she's fostered Gillards Strine...her voice sounds similar these days...am I imagining this, or have others noticed the Joolyafication of the Wong? Wenny undergoes transformations depending on who is programming her. This is how she looked when Kev had his hand on her controls. http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n65/deeper_thought/Wong_Rudd.jpg

IM going to a conference next month where Penny Wong was speaker as a Minister in the govt. Looks liek they will be looking for a new speaker!!!!

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:41am:

mozzaoks a poor loser. he would make a good labor union thug

Look, Sprint, have you ever heard of the term, ungracious winner?

It's uglier than a sore loser.

Try and keep it in perspective...  OK, we have most likely won, and I know, quite a few of them would be rubbing our loss in our faces just as much if we had have lost, but really, what's the point in doing this?

We know we have 'probably' won, but they have yet to come to terms with the rational behind why this is so...and rather than do as others might, which is sand-blast the defeated, we should be working towards starting over, rebuilding from the ashes, and demonstrating why it is we deserve this victory.

Clean slates for all... but being boastful is not my idea of a good starting point, it only leads to animosity, not change.

:)...  I want everyone here to stay on deck...don't want people here to feel as though they have no place here because their chosen party lost.  This isn't democracy, it's a team effort...and if libs had have lost tonight, I know I would be feeling pretty crap, so try to put yourself in their shoes and give them time to count the remaining votes at least.

You need a slice of my grandmothers humble pie Sprint. ;)

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:51am:

deepthought wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 12:27am: mellie wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 12:19am: I can tell by her/his (Penny Wongs) demeanour that she knows Libs have it in the bag...she's fostered Gillards Strine...her voice sounds similar these days...am I imagining this, or have others noticed the Joolyafication of the Wong? Wenny undergoes transformations depending on who is programming her. This is how she looked when Kev had his hand on her controls. http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n65/deeper_thought/Wong_Rudd.jpg IM going to a conference next month where Penny Wong was speaker as a Minister in the govt. Looks liek they will be looking for a new speaker!!!!

It's truly remarkable, she's honestly taken on her voice...creepy even

:o

deepthought wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 12:27am:

mellie wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 12:19am: I can tell by her/his (Penny Wongs) demeanour that she knows Libs have it in the bag...she's fostered Gillards Strine...her voice sounds similar these days...am I imagining this, or have others noticed the Joolyafication of the Wong? Wenny undergoes transformations depending on who is programming her. This is how she looked when Kev had his hand on her controls. http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n65/deeper_thought/Wong_Rudd.jpg

OMG,,,that's hilarious....ahahaha ;D ;D ;D EXACTLY!!

The posters I have put in the OP are there for a reason Mellie.

They are the most vocal and denigrating of the leftwing and have been the whole of the campaign. If anyone deserved to have their filthy noses rubbed in the sh!t they have dragged their arses around then this is it.

If they don't like having their noses rubbed in their own sh!t then I am sure Mozz will delete the posts that he feels embarrass him as he he has done in the past

Right from the start it was obvious Labor would never get a majority and it was all downhill for them from then on.

EQui must be FUMING that we wil probably have PM Abbott!!!

no way mel

leftwits deserve all I can throw, and I am throwing plenty

I agree that in this time of victory of competence over incompetence that we as liberals should show not only our generous and compassionate side but also the grace that comes from being part of the natural govt of australia.  The australian people got bored and tried a season of labor, but now things wil return to the natural way of things. Competent govt, moral leadership and a return to australia being the leading light on the planet.

so to all defeated laborites I say... SUCK IT UP BOYS!

Yes, and the Australian people have got the libs nuts in a vice too, if they get in a minority government. Your turn next, so don't be a smart arse yet. The Australian people found their power tonight, and it is not party politics. Go Australia!

It won't take long to flush the obstructionists out. Especially the Greens who have shown their inability to compromise.

Their day in the sun will be short lived. Though I suspect they will lie and say that the redness in their arse is from global warming rather than from having it kicked

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:05am:

Right from the start it was obvious Labor would never get a majority and it was all downhill for them from then on. EQui must be FUMING that we wil probably have PM Abbott!!!

I've been pondering that possibility, Longy and - surprisingly - I'm not feeling especially strong emotions...

There is still lots of backroom bargaining to be done by the 'faceless men' of the LibLabs et al - and Abbott may let loose before the deals are done...

So, at this stage, I've got two words: true colours!

you're not feeling any especially strong emotions, equi, because you are probably in shock, and simply can't believe you were that wrong.
Don't worry, when you wake up in the morning you are going to feel terrible.

shampain socialist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:15am:

Yes, and the Australian people have got the libs nuts in a vice too, if they get in a minority government. Your turn next, so don't be a smart arse yet. The Australian people found their power tonight, and it is not party politics. Go Australia!

All the more reason to put our best foot forward and not appear facetious.

I think it's in the bag, but you just never know....

There are three independents probably wishing they hadn't captured so much attention tonight, Lol given everyone truly thought the balance of power rested in the laps of the Greens.

Anyone can be a sore loser, but not everyone can be a gracious winner.
OK. :)

This is the beginning of a three year apprenticeship for Tony, (training wheels) ...we cant afford for him to get too cocky, or like a few of his supporters here tonight appear to appeal to those who relish in others misery, did you see him on TV tonight? He was confident, though gracious...we should follow his lead.

So don't stuff his credibility, and that of his supporters aptitude for self-proclaimed glory before it's in the bag."officially"

I think he's done it, succeeded,  but this is just my opinion, so lets just not get narky and give the 'current' governments supporters something to feel even more poo-house about.


I don't know about you lot, I'm just bloody relieved he's more than likely won.

::)

Peace, Longy et al...

Definitely in shock (bloody tired too) but not thinking things are so terrible...

After all, it is looking like the Greens and Independents soaked up much more of the Lab leakage than the Libs did...

Tomorrow Today will be a new day...

Which reminds me, I'd better get some shuteye if I'm to enjoy the Sunday morning political washup...

Nite all!

;)

Equitist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:36am:

shampain socialist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 1:28am: you're not feeling any especially strong emotions, equi, because you are probably in shock, and simply can't believe you were that wrong. Don't worry, when you wake up in the morning you are going to feel terrible. Peace, Longy... Definitely in shock (bloody tired too) but not thinking things are so terrible... After all, it is looking like the Greens and Independents soaked up much more of the Lab leakage than the Libs did... Tomorrow Today will be a new day... Which reminds me, I'd better get some shuteye if I'm to enjoy the Sunday morning political washup... Nite all! ;)

Night equ, and longey, if you pair are off to bed...I should probably head off too.

:)

you won't enjoy it, equi; take my word for it. LOL.

equi
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..........There is still lots of backroom bargaining to be done by the 'faceless men' of the LibLabs et al - and Abbott may let loose before the deals are done... So, at this stage, I've got two words: true colours! ..........

true colours for leftards is yella, same as the streak down your spines.

ask mozza, he can fill you in.

shampain socialist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:37am:

you won't enjoy it, equi; take my word for it. LOL.

LOL...I'm the eternal optimist!  ::)

Nite

;)

that's all you're going to be for the next three years; maybe six.
Sweet dreams. LOL.

suck it up equit - dream of 15 years of Tony Abbott being the PM

sprint, quiten down will you. Abbott is going to get crunched by the middle ground Australians when we are ready. Don't you worry about that.

you ain't seen nuttin' yet

you ain;t seen a born competitor once ahead.

it's not up to him. It's up to us - the voters who achieved this positioning of these clowns today. Now we have them where we want them. He can perform all he wants to, and he'd better be good, because if he isn't we'll crunch him next time, if not before.
You need us more than we need you.
Cheers.

Optimism is a desirable trait...Equ, hey you voted with all your heart, and this is what matters at the end of the day, that you feel you voted for who you thought was the better candidate.

Leave the numbers up to those who tally and negotiate the back-room bargains, and if this wasn't your year, then don't lose any sleep over it.

There's more to politics than the election itself, and hopefully everyone here will realise this once the dust settles whereby we can begin scrutinising our new government, as we should.

Just because they won, doesn't mean they are faultless.

A 3 year term doesn't grant immunity from critical evaluation or scrutiny.

8-)

night mel and others.

what a victory, the alp are out of business for a decade again.

mozzaok is a LOSER

if you show that sort of weakness, these people put the boot in, mellie.
I have seen it time and time again.

I really loved how that smart ass Kerry O'Brien ABC bloke looked on the television tonight; he didn't know what the f'ck had happened, didn't know whether to laugh or cry, congrat the libs or the independents, or laugh at them. Bloody excellent, the smarmy so and so.
Another rich lefty, crying poor mouth.

shampain socialist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:55am:

if you show that sort of weakness, these people put the boot in, mellie. I have seen it time and time again. I really loved how that smart ass Kerry O'Brien ABC bloke looked on the television tonight; he didn't know what the f'ck had happened, didn't know whether to laugh or cry, congrat the libs or the independents, or laugh at them. Bloody excellent, the smarmy so and so. Another rich lefty, crying poor mouth.

Not a weakness, a strength, when in the face of victory I am able to refrain from rolling around in my own glory.

I celebrate internally, have not the desire or compulsion to derive this from the degradation of others who are only going to carry on with their everyday lives as per normal once the electoral dust settles anyway.

Elections come and go, are won and lost...  another day, another blister on the face of democracy right?

8-)... Oh the theatre of it all.

it is not a game or theatre, mellie. Do not be an apologist. You do not have to gloat, but do not sympathise, they are in it to win it, and they did not, but they may try if you show weakness.

shampain socialist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 2:41am:

it is not a game or theatre, mellie. Do not be an apologist. You do not have to gloat, but do not sympathise, they are in it to win it, and they did not, but they may try if you show weakness.

I'm neither gloating or apologising, though don't see the point in rubbing a presumed election victory in the faces of those who wont believe it until Tony has been sworn in I'm sure.

We each have our way I guess, but I just don't get a whole lot out of sticking the knife into a PM, or her supporters before it's indeed 'publicly' confirmed that another will take her place...given this is exactly what set their standard just short of Rudds demotion/manual evacuation.

Have faith.

8-)

this will probably end up in the High Court, and hopefully it does before one or other party claims a victory in such an undecidedly hung situation.
If one or other of these parties flout the law, and I think the law in the situation is quite without precedent, then it could very well give rise to civil disruption. There is a lot of political anger in this country, you only have to read this website to find that out, and I believe there are others that are worse in that regard. Australia is quite a divided country, and there is quite a lot of animosity between the various political views here. this country does not have the softness and sophistication in those sort of views that the European countries or the U.K. has. Here, people will tend to put the boot in, they are quite aggressive, passive, but aggressive. It is there in the politics as well, quite obviously. And this situation is just the recipe for it to exhibit itself. Maybe this is determined to happen in this country. As you say, Australia has decided. Buckle your seatbelt.

skip's words will be haunting him.

Less than a year ago skip made this smug prediction;



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I'm willing to call it now, Labor will win the next election. Do you have the courage to make a call deepy? I'd like it if you could, then in 12 months time we can come back to this thread and see who's right hey old chum? I know you are scared of looking silly ,dont worry nobody will think any less of you than they already do.

Enjoy your fun deepy, I think your celebrations are a little early though, it is still possible for Labor/GREENS to form gov.
Labor could still win the seat of Brisbane, if they do its still game on.
The other point I'd like to make is no matter who forms gov, it wont last, Tony Windsor is already saying that we might have to go back to the polls to sort this mess out.
WHOEVER ,forms gov will be lucky to govern for six months.

deepthought wrote on Aug 21^st, 2010 at 11:30pm:

mantra wrote on Aug 21st, 2010 at 11:15pm: Quote: Don't be so sure About what - that the Greens are here to stay? Absolutely. The lesson is in fact in this election. ............... Yet the Greens only enjoyed a 3.8% swing and at the end of counting picked up just one HoR seat. Once the Greens start spoiling in the Senate, as the Democrats did, the people will move quickly away from them. The truth of this will be seen in the first by-election.

Yes it will and fortunately DT you are not always right. The problem with the Liberals and their supporters is that they are just too arrogant.

Abbott is no Howard and we have seen now how quickly the political spectrum has shifted.

Hopefully it will be a long time before one man and his party has absolute power again.

The Greens have been growing slowly and steadily - do not assume they will blow it - even though the thought obviously appeals to you.

skippy. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:05am:

Enjoy your fun deepy, I think your celebrations are a little early though, it is still possible for Labor/GREENS to form gov. Labor could still win the seat of Brisbane, if they do its still game on. The other point I'd like to make is no matter who forms gov, it wont last, Tony Windsor is already saying that we might have to go back to the polls to sort this mess out. WHOEVER ,forms gov will be lucky to govern for six months.

"Do you have the courage to make a call" for that election skip?

deepthought wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:09am:

skippy. wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 8:05am: Enjoy your fun deepy, I think your celebrations are a little early though, it is still possible for Labor/GREENS to form gov. Labor could still win the seat of Brisbane, if they do its still game on. The other point I'd like to make is no matter who forms gov, it wont last, Tony Windsor is already saying that we might have to go back to the polls to sort this mess out. WHOEVER ,forms gov will be lucky to govern for six months. "Do you have the courage to make a call" for that election skip?

Do you?

mantra wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:08am:

deepthought wrote on Aug 21st, 2010 at 11:30pm: mantra wrote on Aug 21st, 2010 at 11:15pm: Quote: Don't be so sure About what - that the Greens are here to stay? Absolutely. The lesson is in fact in this election. ............... Yet the Greens only enjoyed a 3.8% swing and at the end of counting picked up just one HoR seat. Once the Greens start spoiling in the Senate, as the Democrats did, the people will move quickly away from them. The truth of this will be seen in the first by-election. Yes it will and fortunately DT you are not always right. The problem with the Liberals and their supporters is that they are just too arrogant. Abbott is no Howard and we have seen now how quickly the political spectrum has shifted. Hopefully it will be a long time before one man and his party has absolute power again. The Greens have been growing slowly and steadily - do not assume they will blow it - even though the thought obviously appeals to you.

I hate to have to remind you but my predictions for the rise and fall of Kev and the fall of Jules have all been accurate.

It has been the opposite for you.

Arrogance plays no part here.

The voters chose and with a stunning collapse of a first term government's vote (with Jules being the best they had according to Bill Shorten - and you if I'm not mistaken) this shows I have not put a foot wrong.

skippy. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:13am:

Do you?

So I'm guessing you lost your courage after your failure to pick it.

deepthought wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:15am:

skippy. wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 8:13am: Do you? So I'm guessing you lost your courage after your failure to pick it.

We dont know if I failed or not yet deepy, Labor could  still form government.
That said, it doesn't matter ,as Costello just said on the TODAY show, no matter who forms gov, we'll be back voting within months,not years.

skippy. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:20am:

We dont know if I failed or not yet deepy, Labor could  still form government. That said, it doesn't matter ,as Costello just said on the TODAY show, no matter who forms gov, we'll be back voting within months,not years.

And "do you have the courage to make a call" for that election skip?

Morning all, howz the heads!?


Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 1:43am:

suck it up equit - dream of 15 years of Tony Abbott being the PM

Now, I've gotta confess that: that would be close to one of my worst possible nightmare scenarios!

I feel sure that I'm not alone in that sentiment - and that even a lot of right whingers would shudder at the very possibility...

How is the new makeup of the parliamentary Coalition anyway!? If a leadership spill occurred now, would more of them back Abbott and Fascist Barbie or more moderate leaders like Joe Jockstrap and/or Mal Talksbull!?

Certainly, the latter team would be more user-friendly with the electorate and more likely to secure a 15 year period of governance...

United they stand ATM - but for how long can Abbott & Co hold it together!?

Same goes for the Labs, of course!

::)

deepthought wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:24am:

skippy. wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 8:20am: We dont know if I failed or not yet deepy, Labor could  still form government. That said, it doesn't matter ,as Costello just said on the TODAY show, no matter who forms gov, we'll be back voting within months,not years. And "do you have the courage to make a call" for that election skip?

Do you?

Quote:

I hate to have to remind you but my predictions for the rise and fall of Kev and the fall of Jules have all been accurate. It has been the opposite for you.

I was referring to your predictions for the Greens. You might not like them, but in many areas of Australia they received 12-14% of the primary vote - far more than the Nationals who received approximately 4%.

As Bob Brown pointed out - it should be one vote only and no preferences as they don't give a true picture of who the people want to run this country.

I think it was the 2001 election - Beazley/ALP had a great deal more primary votes than Howard - yet Howard won.

mantra wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:26am:

Quote: I hate to have to remind you but my predictions for the rise and fall of Kev and the fall of Jules have all been accurate. It has been the opposite for you. I was referring to your predictions for the Greens. You might not like them, but in many areas of Australia they received 12-14% of the primary vote - far more than the Nationals who received approximately 4%. As Bob Brown pointed out - it should be one vote only and no preferences as they don't give a true picture of who the people want to run this country. I think it was the 2001 election - Beazley/ALP had a great deal more primary votes than Howard - yet Howard won.

It was 98 mantra, it happened to Peacock against Hawke also.

Thanks Skippy.

We need to get rid of the preferential system also for a fair win of a seat.

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Yet the Greens only enjoyed a 3.8% swing and at the end of counting picked up just one HoR seat.

That's a pretty big victory for them, their first ever in the federal lower house.


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Once the Greens start spoiling in the Senate, as the Democrats did, the people will move quickly away from them.

I was under the imrpession that the democrats were undone mostly by the GST - hardly by spoiling. It was when they were spoiling that the public supported them most.


Quote:

As Bob Brown pointed out - it should be one vote only and no preferences as they don't give a true picture of who the people want to run this country.

Bob is wrong.

Equitist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:26am:

Morning all, howz the heads!? Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 1:43am: suck it up equit - dream of 15 years of Tony Abbott being the PM Now, I've gotta confess that: that would be close to one of my worst possible nightmare scenarios! I feel sure that I'm not alone in that sentiment - and that even a lot of right whingers would shudder at the very possibility... How is the new makeup of the parliamentary Coalition anyway!? If a leadership spill occurred now, would more of them back Abbott and Fascist Barbie or more moderate leaders like Joe Jockstrap and/or Mal Talksbull!? Certainly, the latter team would be more user-friendly with the electorate and more likely to secure a 15 year period of governance... United they stand ATM - but for how long can Abbott & Co hold it together!? Same goes for the Labs, of course! ::)

Speaking of Mal Talksbull, he seems to have gained a bigger swing (+12%) in his own seat than either Tony Abbott (+5.0%) or Julia Gillard (7.6%) - Gillard having a bigger swing towards her than Abbott...

Speaking of Joe Jockstrap, he's had a big swing (+9.3%) to him too - also bigger than Abbott or Gillard but smaller than Talksbull's...

Oh, and poor ol' former Lab Leader Kevin Rudd suffered a swing (-4.4) against him...

Curiouser and curiouser, eh!?

mantra wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:26am:

Quote: I hate to have to remind you but my predictions for the rise and fall of Kev and the fall of Jules have all been accurate. It has been the opposite for you. I was referring to your predictions for the Greens. You might not like them, but in many areas of Australia they received 12-14% of the primary vote - far more than the Nationals who received approximately 4%. As Bob Brown pointed out - it should be one vote only and no preferences as they don't give a true picture of who the people want to run this country. I think it was the 2001 election - Beazley/ALP had a great deal more primary votes than Howard - yet Howard won.

My prediction was accurate.

The popularity polls showed the Greens polling 14% and I predicted that would bleed away on election day.

They polled 11.5% nationally which is actually less than they have polled at by-elections.

What was particularly notable was the votes all came from their coalition partner as a protest vote.  They will not retain them.

I also said;



deepthought wrote on Aug 21^st, 2010 at 11:50pm:

The first thing you will see is the bitter justification that they should have got more seats.  They know they failed to capitalise as the swing in the Hor was to the Lib/Nats, not them in any significant way.

And Bob has shown that I am right if according to you "it should be one vote only and no preferences".

That is his bitter justification for only getting a single seat.

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:44am:

That's a pretty big victory for them, their first ever in the federal lower house.

Not really.  They didn't get it from the Lib/Nats so they actually worsened their situation.

With that seat Labor would be closer to retaining government.

Inadvertently they have put themselves further away from being heard because the Lib/Nats won't listen to their shrill hypocrisy.

Equitist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 8:54am:

Equitist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 8:26am: Morning all, howz the heads!? Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 1:43am: suck it up equit - dream of 15 years of Tony Abbott being the PM Now, I've gotta confess that: that would be close to one of my worst possible nightmare scenarios! I feel sure that I'm not alone in that sentiment - and that even a lot of right whingers would shudder at the very possibility... How is the new makeup of the parliamentary Coalition anyway!? If a leadership spill occurred now, would more of them back Abbott and Fascist Barbie or more moderate leaders like Joe Jockstrap and/or Mal Talksbull!? Certainly, the latter team would be more user-friendly with the electorate and more likely to secure a 15 year period of governance... United they stand ATM - but for how long can Abbott & Co hold it together!? Same goes for the Labs, of course! ::) Speaking of Mal Talksbull, he seems to have gained a bigger swing (+12%) in his own seat than either Tony Abbott (+5.0%) or Julia Gillard (7.6%) - Gillard having a bigger swing towards her than Abbott... Speaking of Joe Jockstrap, he's had a big swing (+9.3%) to him too - also bigger than Abbott or Gillard but smaller than Talksbull's... Oh, and poor ol' former Lab Leader Kevin Rudd suffered a swing (-4.4) against him... Curiouser and curiouser, eh!?

You`ll have to ask your GP, but I think you`ll need to up the dosage quite substantially.

aussiefree2ride wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 2:12pm:

Equitist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 8:54am: Equitist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 8:26am: Morning all, howz the heads!? Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 1:43am: suck it up equit - dream of 15 years of Tony Abbott being the PM Now, I've gotta confess that: that would be close to one of my worst possible nightmare scenarios! I feel sure that I'm not alone in that sentiment - and that even a lot of right whingers would shudder at the very possibility... How is the new makeup of the parliamentary Coalition anyway!? If a leadership spill occurred now, would more of them back Abbott and Fascist Barbie or more moderate leaders like Joe Jockstrap and/or Mal Talksbull!? Certainly, the latter team would be more user-friendly with the electorate and more likely to secure a 15 year period of governance... United they stand ATM - but for how long can Abbott & Co hold it together!? Same goes for the Labs, of course! ::) Speaking of Mal Talksbull, he seems to have gained a bigger swing (+12%) in his own seat than either Tony Abbott (+5.0%) or Julia Gillard (7.6%) - Gillard having a bigger swing towards her than Abbott... Speaking of Joe Jockstrap, he's had a big swing (+9.3%) to him too - also bigger than Abbott or Gillard but smaller than Talksbull's... Oh, and poor ol' former Lab Leader Kevin Rudd suffered a swing (-4.4) against him... Curiouser and curiouser, eh!? You`ll have to ask your GP, but I think you`ll need to up the dosage quite substantially.

LOL...in time, we shall see who is suffering from delusions, AFTR et al...

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Quote: As Bob Brown pointed out - it should be one vote only and no preferences as they don't give a true picture of who the people want to run this country. Bob is wrong.

Ditto to that, and it gives us a timely reminder that even a party that tries to pride itself on making sound moral choices, is not above putting personal interest ahead of the national interest.

If we ditch preferential voting then we also ditch representative voting, and who would support the possibility of all the pollies coming from one large city or another?

mozzaok wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 2:22pm:

Quote: Quote: As Bob Brown pointed out - it should be one vote only and no preferences as they don't give a true picture of who the people want to run this country. Bob is wrong. Ditto to that, and it gives us a timely reminder that even a party that tries to pride itself on making sound moral choices, is not above putting personal interest ahead of the national interest. If we ditch preferential voting then we also ditch representative voting, and who would support the possibility of all the pollies coming from one large city or another?

This is how it should have been in the first place, hence I voted for the senate, (white form ) only.

I refused to preference vote full stop!

mozzaok wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2010 at 2:22pm:

Quote: Quote: As Bob Brown pointed out - it should be one vote only and no preferences as they don't give a true picture of who the people want to run this country. Bob is wrong. Ditto to that, and it gives us a timely reminder that even a party that tries to pride itself on making sound moral choices, is not above putting personal interest ahead of the national interest. If we ditch preferential voting then we also ditch representative voting, and who would support the possibility of all the pollies coming from one large city or another?

If we ditched preferential voting Howard or Costello would still be PM and labor would be in opposition by about 30 seats.