It seems people are voting on what promises are made??

Why don't they vote on what promises last election were delivered??

Seems this country is full of people who are thick as shite, no wonder we have the highest per capita victims of monetry fraud, look at the thousands who fall for Nigerian scams how many have their IDs stolen, how many are skimmed at ATMs etc.

Its a deadset given that with a majority of ozzies unable to look at what wasn't delivered last election are prepared to beleive the promises made this time around that labor will get over the line again??


I just fail to see how ppl can be so stupid to vote for more of the same, more waste more lies more spin more policy failures back flips and shelved.

Can anyone seriously beleive that the rail link that wasn't even on the 10 year plan for state labor is now a policy, its got no money allocated to it as the infrastructure fund only has 700 million in it yet were told it needs 1.4 billion in funds that don't exist??

This NBN debacle, what policy has labor delivered that gives you confidence in the NBNs delivery, which policy came in on budget on time and works as designed??

I can think of none, prove me wrong.

Has anyone any idea how much it costs to do cabling? Foxtel stated it was about $100 per metre to dig and run cabling that was back in 2004 which is why Foxtel doesn't do cable Tv any more all satelite for new connections, Now run that cable up each side of the street or from one side and then under the road to each house on the other side of the road and your looking at $1500 in cabling costs per house given a 15 metre frontage or under road cable to house. How many 100s of thousands of Kms of streets are there that will need cabling done??

What about this cash for clunkers rubbish, bonuses for teachers fishing bans carbon tax mining tax illegal immigrant debacle.

Now look at what we face if labor get in, Brown has stated he wants 50% mining tax and if they hold the balance of power his 50% and labors 10% will be negotiated to 20% you wait and see, ban on fishing areas, here we have Gillard claiming job creation is No1 priority yet this fishing ban will effect 10s of thousands in a cross section of industry associated with fishing, Trawlers, Fish co ops, boat builders, bait shops, major impact on tourist areas where fishing is the draw card and there are many areas that will become marine reserves.

Now they propose a carbon sink.How much carbon does a tree draw in and store?? What industries in what country currently has to buy carbon permitts to operate??? NONE. So who will these carbon credits be sold to??? NO ONE. its all a big con and people are falling for the spin again.

It seriously defies logic.


Now I am not expecting any responses to any of the points I have raised, becaus eyou can't argue against the truth.

Greens Achievements



The work of the Greens in the Senate has delivered:

-10,000 local green jobs in the economic stimulus package
-fuel efficiency incentives for luxury cars
-an extra $30 a week for pensioners
-inclusion of Exclusive Brethren businesses in the Fair Work laws
-$50 million for public health
-Protection of youth allowance payments for gap year students
-Continued Medicare funded dental treatments for patients with chronic illness
-Protection for thousands of wind and solar jobs by fixing the renewable energy target
-Negotiating into the economic stimulus package a $400 million into a Local Jobs package, including:
$60 million for heritage projects
$40 million for building, extending and improving bike paths
$200 million towards local community projects to create new jobs
$10 million for new jobs to regenerate and protect the Lowe Murray

KEY POINTS:

The Greens are constructive negotiators.
The Greens have used their shared balance of power to secure important outcomes for a fairer society and the environment.
More Greens in the Senate will result in more outcomes for fairness, sustainability and the environment.

i forget to ask,


With this NBn at 43billion, can anyone tell me what it will cost to subscribe to it??

Currently I pay $49 a month unlimited through optus with ADSL2 and for what I do it is plenty fast enough.

How much will the monthly fees for NBN be??????

So what has the Liberal Party achieved this term


Besides

voting with Labor to oppose a Senate Population Enquiry
voting with Labor to oppose a debate on the Afghanistan Civil War
joining with Labor to oppose a conscious vote on same sex marriage.


A vote for Liberal is a vote for Labor // A vote For Labor is a Vote for Liberals



SAME OLD SAME OLD

____ wrote on Aug 14^th, 2010 at 5:32pm:

Greens Achievements The work of the Greens in the Senate has delivered: -10,000 local green jobs in the economic stimulus package -fuel efficiency incentives for luxury cars -an extra $30 a week for pensioners -inclusion of Exclusive Brethren businesses in the Fair Work laws -$50 million for public health -Protection of youth allowance payments for gap year students -Continued Medicare funded dental treatments for patients with chronic illness -Protection for thousands of wind and solar jobs by fixing the renewable energy target -Negotiating into the economic stimulus package a $400 million into a Local Jobs package, including: $60 million for heritage projects $40 million for building, extending and improving bike paths $200 million towards local community projects to create new jobs $10 million for new jobs to regenerate and protect the Lowe Murray KEY POINTS: The Greens are constructive negotiators. The Greens have used their shared balance of power to secure important outcomes for a fairer society and the environment. More Greens in the Senate will result in more outcomes for fairness, sustainability and the environment.

It's not much really, sorry, but it really doesn't justify the opportunities they conveniently turn a blind eye to these days, I don't suppose you would like me to list them.

....Recall the days when Greens were a formidable environmental presence truly caring about our environment, not what they could get out of any given election campaign by means of preference votes?

Sorry, but they have really disappointed me lately, now they are more about themselves, and their own luxury cars being "Green" than anything else.

I suppose it had to happen some time.

::)

So instead of working for the dole, they're now working for the Greens?

::)

____ wrote on Aug 14^th, 2010 at 6:09pm:

So what has the Liberal Party achieved this term Besides voting with Labor to oppose a Senate Population Enquiry voting with Labor to oppose a debate on the Afghanistan Civil War joining with Labor to oppose a conscious vote on same sex marriage. A vote for Liberal is a vote for Labor // A vote For Labor is a Vote for Liberals SAME OLD SAME OLD

Liberals blocked Greens from passing compulsory student union fees.

:)

mellie wrote on Aug 14^th, 2010 at 6:11pm:

____ wrote on Aug 14th, 2010 at 5:32pm: Greens Achievements The work of the Greens in the Senate has delivered: -10,000 local green jobs in the economic stimulus package -fuel efficiency incentives for luxury cars -an extra $30 a week for pensioners -inclusion of Exclusive Brethren businesses in the Fair Work laws -$50 million for public health -Protection of youth allowance payments for gap year students -Continued Medicare funded dental treatments for patients with chronic illness -Protection for thousands of wind and solar jobs by fixing the renewable energy target -Negotiating into the economic stimulus package a $400 million into a Local Jobs package, including: $60 million for heritage projects $40 million for building, extending and improving bike paths $200 million towards local community projects to create new jobs $10 million for new jobs to regenerate and protect the Lowe Murray KEY POINTS: The Greens are constructive negotiators. The Greens have used their shared balance of power to secure important outcomes for a fairer society and the environment. More Greens in the Senate will result in more outcomes for fairness, sustainability and the environment. It's not much really, sorry, but it really doesn't justify the opportunities they conveniently turn a blind eye to these days, I don't suppose you would like me to list them. ....Recall the days when Greens were a formidable environmental presence truly caring about our environment, not what they could get out of any given election campaign by means of preference votes? Sorry, but they have really disappointed me lately, now they are more about themselves, and their own luxury cars being "Green" than anything else. I suppose it had to happen some time. ::)

Gee, in a hostile parliament where Labor and Liberal vote together on 95% of Bills
Thank Goodness We have some opposition to the 2 party PARTY

laborfornever wrote on Aug 14^th, 2010 at 5:37pm:

i forget to ask, With this NBn at 43billion, can anyone tell me what it will cost to subscribe to it?? Currently I pay $49 a month unlimited through optus with ADSL2 and for what I do it is plenty fast enough. How much will the monthly fees for NBN be??????

About the same, no data caps, greatly improved speed/bandwidth and you can put your phone on it.

Meanwhile we wait for pro liberal posters to post the achievements of the Liberal Party in this last term.


Besides the 95% of voting with Labor to pass Labor Bills

Greens_Win2k10 I think most of those are Labor initiatives  ;D

Add one more: Greens got a total lack of action on climate change by voting with the other dinosaur denialists against the CPRS!

But Greens are now with Labor, so what's the point in their being what keeps the leading two party's honest, when they are politically bias and will happily whore their preference votes to the highest bidder...which by the way their leader claims to disapprove of.

Ironic. ::)
Labor are no longer autonomous, they are a subsidiary movement of the Labor engine.

Greens even accept campaign funding from Labors unions and spend most of their days squeezing campaign funding out of gullible kids and their university administration fees.

Like it or not, kids will eat their greens!

8-)

Quote:

joining with Labor to oppose a conscious vote on same sex marriage.

you mean some Bills are passed on an unconscious vote! The snores have it!

Darwin wrote on Aug 14^th, 2010 at 6:34pm:

Greens_Win2k10 I think most of those are Labor initiatives  ;D Add one more: Greens got a total lack of action on climate change by voting with the other dinosaur denialists against the CPRS!

Get it right ... Denialists flip flopped and voted with the Greens.


Greens voted down the pro coal CPRS since it locked Australia into no reduction in CO2 pollution for at least the next two decades, $20 billion of Australian taxes donated to the big polluters for nothing in return, over allocation of carbon credits since so many were to be free ~ flooding and collapsing the carbon price (like what happened to the water permits for the murray darling), undermining the will of Australians to reduce their individual carbon footprint when the big polluters where given money for no action. Sending a signal to the rest of the world ~ Australia supports a collapse of a livable climate since the CRPS would not have achieved the pathetic 5% CO2 reduction by 2020 that the old parties promised. The reopening of dirty obsolete coal power stations in West Australia. The crushing of renewable energy projects since coal would subsidized for at leased another 20 odd years. etc etc etc



Greens voted for Australia


A carbon levy ... even if it is started in 2014 ... will achieve more in reducing Australia's CO2 by 2020, than would of been achieved in passing that dirty, anti environmental Liberal Labor negotiated ETS last year.

mellie wrote on Aug 14^th, 2010 at 6:39pm:

But Greens are now with Labor, so what's the point in their being what keeps the leading two party's honest, when they are politically bias and will happily whore their preference votes to the highest bidder...which by the way their leader claims to disapprove of. Ironic. ::) Labor are no longer autonomous, they are a subsidiary movement of the Labor engine. Greens even accept campaign funding from Labors unions and spend most of their days squeezing campaign funding out of gullible kids and their university administration fees. Like it or not, kids will eat their greens! 8-)

Greens are not with Labor ... Greens did a preference deal because Liberals voted with Labor to vote down a Greens Bill to end Party Preference Deals.

Greens were required to preference one old party over another,because Liberal Voting with Labor again !!!


As for Unions donating to a political party ... it shows that Unions are seeing Greens as the best political party to protect Australian Rights.




Meanwhile we wait for a list of Liberal Achievements this term ... besides voting 95% with Labor on Labor Bills.

Darwin wrote on Aug 14^th, 2010 at 6:42pm:

Quote: joining with Labor to oppose a conscious vote on same sex marriage. you mean some Bills are passed on an unconscious vote! The snores have it!

Well Yes ... Thats why old party MPs vote down the party line rather than reflect the will of the voters that vote them into office.


Lets face it Liberal Labor Politicians oppose democracy.