It is Abbotts plan to send asylum seekers to Nauru, but Nauru is not recognised by the UNHCR,so the UN would not accept any of these people as refugees for other countries.
That being the case, anyone found to be a refugee,which 99% are, will have to be settled here in Australia, as no other country will accept them.
So Abbotts plan will make refugees who do reach here a certain to stay here, what a dumb idea Abbott has here.

skippy. wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 1:24pm:

It is Abbotts plan to send asylum seekers to Nauru, but Nauru is not recognised by the UNHCR,so the UN would not accept any of these people as refugees for other countries. That being the case, anyone found to be a refugee,which 99% are, will have to be settled here in Australia, as no other country will accept them. So Abbotts plan will make refugees who do reach here a certain to stay here, what a dumb idea Abbott has here.

Are you really that thick dippy the president of Nauru has made it quite clear on television and radio and in their parliament they will join the UN

skippy. wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 1:24pm:

It is Abbotts plan to send asylum seekers to Nauru, but Nauru is not recognised by the UNHCR,so the UN would not accept any of these people as refugees for other countries. That being the case, anyone found to be a refugee,which 99% are, will have to be settled here in Australia, as no other country will accept them. So Abbotts plan will make refugees who do reach here a certain to stay here, what a dumb idea Abbott has here.

At least we (the taxpayer) wouldn't be putting them up in motels.

What about the refugees who have been waiting in camps in places like Tanzania etc for years and years,  but don't have the resources to pay people smugglers ?  Send those using illegal means to get here to Nauru, and repatriate the genuine refugees to Australia.

George wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 1:34pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 8th, 2010 at 1:24pm: It is Abbotts plan to send asylum seekers to Nauru, but Nauru is not recognised by the UNHCR,so the UN would not accept any of these people as refugees for other countries. That being the case, anyone found to be a refugee,which 99% are, will have to be settled here in Australia, as no other country will accept them. So Abbotts plan will make refugees who do reach here a certain to stay here, what a dumb idea Abbott has here. At least we (the taxpayer) wouldn't be putting them up in motels. What about the refugees who have been waiting in camps in places like Tanzania etc for years and years,  but don't have the resources to pay people smugglers ?  Send those using illegal means to get here to Nauru, and repatriate the genuine refugees to Australia.

If they go to Nauru they end up here, the UN will not accept them.
As for the other comment by Burwood, Nauru are not members of the UN and who says they would be accepted if they apply?
Their parliment is in as much turmoil as Fiji.

skippy,  if these people want to thumb their noses at our laws,  let them say on Nauru.  They obviously have targeted Australia as a soft touch and have no respect for our laws,.  

George wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 1:47pm:

skippy,  if these people want to thumb their noses at our laws,  let them say on Nauru.  They obviously have targeted Australia as a soft touch and have no respect for our laws,.

So we keep paying for them? it doesn't matter if you leave them there or bring them here, under Abbotts plan they will be OUR problem no matter where they are.
You do know Australia would be paying for them in Nauru, dont you?

It will stop the people smuggling. Proven fact.

Helping out a few thousand boat people a year is nothing when you consider our migration take each year is between 200,000-300,000 people.
Australia has a lot more pressing issues to deal with  :)

It's not the quantity that is the problem. It is the backdoor entry and the red carpet roll out invitation that the Labor govt offered to keep people smugglers in business

adelcrow wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 4:20pm:

Helping out a few thousand boat people a year is nothing when you consider our migration take each year is between 200,000-300,000 people. Australia has a lot more pressing issues to deal with  :)

Not according to Abbott, he said in his speech today he would reduce imigration by 100,000 a year.

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Not according to Abbott, he said in his speech today he would reduce imigration by 100,000 a year.

Good on him. Where are the Greens on this issue. Deadly silent considering their claims of sustainability and protecting the environment. Hypocrites

The Greens want no restrictions .  Let em all in is their policy

Abbott knows full well that part of the reason our economy is doing so well is the permanent migration levels as well as the money the international students bring into the country..I think education is our 3rd biggest money spinner?
Under Howard migration peaked around 300,000 and not only bought a lot of money into the country but created many jobs for Australians.
Paying corrupt govts like Naru's hundreds of millions of dollars to keep a few thousand desperate refugees who end up here anyway is not only a massive waste of taxpayers dollars it is also a cruel political game the Libs play with human lives for nothing more than a few votes. Its all a waste of time, money and energy based on misinformation and politicking.

Abbott will not drop migration to 100,000 because he knows it will lead us straight into a recession and destroy the international education industry in this country.
Under either govt migration will fluctuate between 150,000 and 200,000 for a long time into the future  :)

Nice of Abbott to negotiate on behalf of the elected Govt to re-open the Nauru processing centre.

Might have an Office of Profit under the Crown, wasn't sure that entitled your hero to negotiate jack with anyone.... esp a sovereign state and or its representative!! Cocky Abbott...he just can't control himself can he...and the right wing wailing went up Stryder... or its it maqqa

hi jcheeverloophole,
welcome here.

I think you are more likely to find Lisa is either Macca or Andre...or both  :)
My money is on her being Andre  :)

Lisa is Lisa. She is not male.

Shes told the exact same story about meeting Andre and Macca...
So if Lisa is a woman then so is Andre and/ or Macca..male or female..its the same person and my money is on Andre and Lisa being one in the same..as for macca he was probably just a paid spammer for the Libs  :)

Why does this bother you adelcrow?

She talks about meeting them all the time. I can't imagine why she finds it worthy of mention, but she IS a right winger after all. Meeting macca must be like meeting a pop star to another rightie.

What ever....as long as he/she just sticks to the 1 ID on here and controls their personal abuse of other people posting everything will be apples. Personally I find it a little unsettling when someone pretends to be of the opposite gender and makes up stories to justify themselves but what the heck..you are right, different strokes for different folks  :)

Adelcrow, in my opinion, whatever it is you are asserting is wrong and foolish.

Andre, SLR and Lisa are different people.

It certainly wouldnt be the first time I was wrong or foolish but until i see differently i do not believe that macca and andre drive exactly the same BMW, colour, make and model and year and met her at the same place and that they look exactly the same.
Her story about both of them was a carbon copy only with the names changed.
If I am wrong I stand corrected.
Or she could just be tugging peoples tossels..
We should get back on topic..this is the Naura thread after all

Those who ar ein detention WILL end up here, however it is not about ending up here.

It is about if you want to come here you go through the right channels.

Skippy, answer me this.

You've been patiently waiting in a queue for a hotdog, Its almost your turn and your really hungry, But hang on some queue jumpers jump infront of youand your now back 100 places, now you waited some more and your almost ready to be served again and they say no more hotdogs all gone.

How do you fell??

See skip you support queue jumpers and you support people smuggling you support ppl risking their lives in leaky boats. You do not support ppl doing the right thing.

Abbott is about to turn the screws on labor.

labor are toast this election

Thanks Ernie .. for your support. However the id Adelcrow is a multi troll who has been reported.

As you no doubt already know .. nothing he has stated re me all over this forum in so many topics is at all true .. and he is in fact a former Yahoo id who I told many times to sod off on a/c of his flaming and trolling.

Best advice?? Ignore him completely.

Tut tut Lisa..just another of your many stories..but what the heck, nothing changes

The challenges for Adelcrow are as follows:

1) He/IT  doesnt realise that the people who I say know me .. really do in fact know me .. cause they have met me in real time.

2) The "facts" he/IT recurringly invents on my behalf .. indicate his own obsessive frustrations in wanting to know more about my personal details/life.. by baiting me to respond/correct him .. and in doing so.. thus issue real personal details regarding myself and those who I know from Yahoo in real time.

3) My real time friends which posted on Yahoo include Greenies, Lefties and Righties .. and irrespective of what my online persona may state on here .. in real time, I respect, honour and get on very well with my cyber come real friends. Their political leanings do not affect me in any way.

4) Adelcrow .. simply needs to get his/IT's own life .. and stop obsessing over mine. It would make a welcome change .. given his/IT's past performance on Yahoo

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 7:08pm:

Thanks Ernie .. for your support. However the id Adelcrow is a multi troll who has been reported.

Everyone's a troll as far as you're concerned. You've only been on this board for 5 minutes and you're reporting people.

Adelcrow hasn't appeared to have done anything wrong. I'll put in a good word with the mods for him/her.

But this isn't the "Lisa is a fraud thread" its the Nauru thread, people can make up there own minds about him/her.
As for trolling..I seem to remember she was recently asked by a Mod here to please stop Trolling on threads.
:)

mantra wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 7:21pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 8th, 2010 at 7:08pm: Thanks Ernie .. for your support. However the id Adelcrow is a multi troll who has been reported. Everyone's a troll as far as you're concerned. You've only been on this board for 5 minutes and you're reporting people. Adelcrow hasn't appeared to have done anything wrong. I'll put in a good word with the mods for him/her.

Are you skippys alter-ego?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1280963813/0

Could we all ignore the id adelcrow .. and move forward??

I'm not the slightest bit interested in multi trolls who obsess over me across many forums in cyberspace.

I trust you will all appreciate and respect my position.

Many thanks again to Ernie for his support.

Regards

Lisa

There is a hell of a lot more I could say re the id adelcrow .. and the many ids he has used to flame/troll with (and subsequently been blacklisted for on Yahoo) .. but I much prefer to ignore the person on THIS forum .. because I feel nothing but pity for him/IT .. and I wish to starve his obsession for me altogether.

Again I trust you will all appreciate and respect my position.

Regards Lisa

Thanks Mantra.. the mods can check my IP address and go through my posts..
I have nothing to hide  :)

Could we now please get back to the REAL topic??

From what I can tell .. it is indeed a worthy topic .. and as such should be discussed unhindered.

laborfornever wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 6:34pm:

Those who ar ein detention WILL end up here, however it is not about ending up here. It is about if you want to come here you go through the right channels. Skippy, answer me this. You've been patiently waiting in a queue for a hotdog, Its almost your turn and your really hungry, But hang on some queue jumpers jump infront of youand your now back 100 places, now you waited some more and your almost ready to be served again and they say no more hotdogs all gone. How do you fell?? See skip you support queue jumpers and you support people smuggling you support ppl risking their lives in leaky boats. You do not support ppl doing the right thing. Abbott is about to turn the screws on labor. labor are toast this election

Well said Labor4Never .. incidentally did you hear what Labor's Mark Latham had to say to Gillard re her immigraton policy direction??

It was interesting .. to say the least!

Looks like Ive backed Lisa into a corner..

Let me find the clip  .. I'd like to post it for you Labor4Never :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XceoX30l3Xs

Labor's own Mark Latham talks about the importance of sustainable population/immigration policy direction (which will obviously impact refugees/illegal immigrants)

Cyberman wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 4:22pm:

It's not the quantity that is the problem. It is the backdoor entry and the red carpet roll out invitation that the Labor govt offered to keep people smugglers in business

Quite right!

The impact of precedent needs to be addressed and resolved once and for all.

How many times have we heard that Oz is perceived as being a soft touch when it comes to illegal immigrant entry?? This is exactly why we have boat loads of people trying to get here.

It is also why we need to adopt a tough stance on sustainable immigration <-- many thanks to Mark Latham for highlighting this .. as well as border control.

Why thanks Lisa for you informed reply, Hurstville these days with your children from multiple fathers, and living with your Mum in a council 2 bedroom flat - free internet as well - has improved your access,

So,  when howard had Nauru, all the boat people ended up there.  Where did they all go?  Aussie of course!   Remeber the guy that was there for over five years?  where did he end up?  Aussie of course!

All the Libs have done is moved the problem.  Instead of towing pople to visibleplaces like CI - they will be towed to Nauru.   Just think of the billions of dollars big Tony will spend now,

Shameful.  Manipulation of the people's lives to achieve a vore.

PS.   How is "Golden Breed" or your Kiwi root going?

Under the Libs, the boats stopped coming. Labor restarted the people smuggling trade.

At least they someones business, pity it's only illegal and dodgy business that labor are good for

As I've said before, it's a sad indictment on us, collectively, to not see the tragic irony in Australians sending the desperate and destitute to island prisons.

And it's an even greater indictment on us as a nation to embrace the idea with such enthusiasm to the point that it has become a national neurotic mania.

The sad indictment is a govt that actively encouraged an illegal trade in people smugglers.

The only hope for the nation with this neurotic "boat people" mania is that, as it's mainly driven by a white trash fear of brown people, maybe the nation can be embarrassed into reform.

Your premise is racist in and of itself... against Australians and typical of the proponent of a losing argument.

As we all know, it is not about the 'brown people' as much as you would like it to be. It is about people being encouraged to bypass the systems in place, aided and abetted by people smugglers in conjuction with an incompetent govt that panders to idiots who think we should have unprotected borders to support an illegal business

Cyberman wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 9:53pm:

As we all know, it is not about the 'brown people' as much as you would like it to be. It is about people being encouraged to bypass the systems in place, aided and abetted by people smugglers in conjuction with an incompetent govt that panders to idiots who think we should have unprotected borders to support an illegal business

"As we all know" ;D

You mean like all those mostly non-brown people who jet in.

You mean the ones that don't throw their papers away and concoct stories as exposed on 4corners?

The ones that come here with a valid visa and passport?

Seems that you are the only one making it about skin colour. You are a closet racist and you don't even know it

Cyberman wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 10:09pm:

You mean the ones that don't throw their papers away and concoct stories as exposed on 4corners? The ones that come here with a valid visa and passport?

Yes, the ones whose overstaying doesn't trigger the innate fears of the white trash, or they'd be as terrified of these as boat people.

Your efforts to equate the two are noted and your juxtaposition is rejected.

The visa over stayers arrive here with valid papers, as they have to- and are eventually caught and sent back...unlike the customers of the people smugglers supported by the labor govt. All who take up valid places on the asylum program from people who have been waiting in camps.

You would prefer to reward the illegal aspirants rather than those that are less fortunate.

Are the people in camps too 'brown skinned looking' for you, racist?

Gawd... Where's that bloody Karnal when you need him? ;D

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But this isn't the "Lisa is a fraud thread" its the Nauru thread

I thought it was the "look at me look at me thread" be nice if you rightards disscussed the topic instead of your own importance.
So do any of you know whats going to happen to all of these refugees after they are dumped on Nauru?
They'll be coming back here as Nauru is not a recognised by the UNHCR.

Australia have signed the refugee convention and offered the hand of freedom to refugees.....it is not their fault they have accepted this hand of freedom Australia has offered.....if Abbott and the Liberal party do not want to help refugees as agreed upon in the convention then they should remove our name from it or honor it.....to treat genuine refugees like criminals for domestic political gain is disgusting and shows a lack of leadership by both major parties.....Refugees are desperate and take great risks to try and forge a better life.....unfortunately for them Australia does not honor it's word when it comes to our politicians......we all know the boat people are a drop in the ocean....yet every election we show how racist we are....we created this problem and the innocent must suffer to protect the self interest of a few politicians.......disgusting behavior from Australia.....Australians have nothing to be proud of!!!

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2010 at 7:45am:

Australia have signed the refugee convention and offered the hand of freedom to refugees.....it is not their fault they have accepted this hand of freedom Australia has offered.....if Abbott and the Liberal party do not want to help refugees as agreed upon in the convention then they should remove our name from it or honor it.....to treat genuine refugees like criminals for domestic political gain is disgusting and shows a lack of leadership by both major parties.....Refugees are desperate and take great risks to try and forge a better life.....unfortunately for them Australia does not honor it's word when it comes to our politicians......we all know the boat people are a drop in the ocean....yet every election we show how racist we are....we created this problem and the innocent must suffer to protect the self interest of a few politicians.......disgusting behavior from Australia.....Australians have nothing to be proud of!!!

I agree, I wonder if the Libs feel just a little bit hypocritical that the convention was signed by the founder of the Liberal party, Sir Robert Menzies. Naa, Libs no longer feel compasion for anything other than wealth and greed,just look at the tards making comment here.

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2010 at 7:45am:

we all know the boat people are a drop in the ocean....yet every election we show how racist we are....we created this problem and the innocent must suffer to protect the self interest of a few politicians.......disgusting behavior from Australia.....Australians have nothing to be proud of!!!

Yes, but to paraphrase a truly great leader : "We, as a nation, must become the change we want to see in our politicians"...

The nation must recognise its heightened moral responsibility with regards to its treatment of the desperate and destitute, by ensuring we do not inflict on them, or risk their further suffering as a result of, 19th century solutions to inconvenient problems.

Ok so lets assume the hand of freedom has been extended to all and sundry in distress.


At what number do you say hang on we have a problem.

What do we do if for example 1000 boats (unlikely but possible) set sail for CI this week, with 50 000 assylum seekers, then a few weeks later we get 10 000 boats with 500 000 assylum seekers???


Where do you draw the line?? according to you unemployed labor lot yes its 9.30am Monday mornng and shouldn't you be at work you have no qualms with how ever many people turn up here???

Whats with that??

I'm unemployed and I'm the most right-wing member here. :(

Where do all these assylum seekers some 13000 odd single males that arrive each year who bring with them family with the family reunification programme live once refugee status is granted??


Supply and demand, yep they get housing which is in critical shortages rents $400+ a week the norm, mean while aussie famillies like you who may in the future be evicted for inabillity to pay rent find themselves living in cars bus shelters under bridges etc.

It is an absolute disgrace that aussies live in cars whilst the assylum seekers get housing. Something is seriously wrong with this situation.

And I've yet to see or hear any refugee supporter open their homes or wallets to accommodate those who they so desperately defend???