Primary

ALP, Down 6 ... 36%
Coalition, Up 4 ... 45%
Greens, Steady ... 12%


Will Labor now replace Gillard, with Swan?

Abbott seizes the lead


JULIA GILLARD has three weeks in which to salvage her campaign, with the latest Herald/Nielsen poll showing Tony Abbott and the Coalition would be swept to power if the election were held today.

In a stunning reversal of fortunes for the Coalition after a disastrous week for the government, support for both the Prime Minister and Labor has plummeted; the Coalition now leads Labor on a two-party-preferred basis by 52 per cent to 48 per cent.

This represents a 6 percentage point two-party swing against the government since the last Herald poll a week ago, and a 4.7 point two-party swing against the government since the last election.

If the result were replicated uniformly in the election on August 21, the Coalition would pick up 28 seats; 11 more than it needs to form government in its own right.

The poll shows Labor's primary vote has gone into freefall, plunging six points in a week to 36 per cent while the Coalition's primary vote rose four points to 45 per cent. The Greens remained steady at 12 per cent.

These numbers are similar to the levels of early June which precipitated the move against Kevin Rudd's leadership.

The 58 per cent to 42 per cent lead that Ms Gillard enjoyed over Mr Abbott among women voters only a week ago has disappeared and the female vote for Labor and the Coalition is now statistically even at 49-51.

Ms Gillard's approval rating slumped five points to 51 per cent and her disapproval rating rose six points to 39 per cent. Mr Abbott's approval rose six points to 49 per cent and his disapproval fell six points to 45 per cent.

Ms Gillard's 21-point lead as preferred prime minister was slashed by 13 points to 49-41. Her rating fell six points and Mr Abbott's rose seven points.

The only good news for the government was that 69 per cent expect it will win the election -

four points lower than a week ago - while only 21 per cent, up five points, are backing the Coalition.

In extraordinary developments yesterday, Cheryl Kernot confirmed she had nominated for the Senate as an independent (see story, page 7) and Kevin Rudd was admitted to hospital to have his gall bladder removed.

But the former prime minister raised hopes among Labor by saying that when released from hospital, he would bury the hatchet and campaign with Ms Gillard across the nation if needed.

Labor desperately needs Mr Rudd's help in the pivotal state of Queensland where it is struggling. The Herald reported yesterday that Mr Rudd had been approached.

''Mr Rudd looks forward to resuming campaign activities next week - both in his own electorate, elsewhere in Queensland and the rest of the country as appropriate - in support of the re-election of the government and Prime Minister Gillard,'' his spokesman said.

Ms Gillard was enthused: ''I've always said I wanted to respect Kevin Rudd's wishes about the campaign.

''Obviously, I would welcome his campaigning efforts.''

The poll of 1356 voters was taken from Tuesday night to Thursday night. It encompassed the darkest two days of the campaign for the government which were dominated by damaging cabinet leaks against Ms Gillard, for which Mr Rudd was blamed.

Ms Gillard was accused of arguing against pension increases and paid parental leave. She denied both charges but the allegations were damaging. One MP said yesterday voters in his electorate were scared Ms Gillard would cut pensions if re-elected.

A further embarrassing leak emerged last night with News Ltd reporting that Ms Gillard had sent a former bodyguard, Andrew Stark, to represent her at meetings of the cabinet's national security committee while she was deputy prime minister.

Although the samples are small, the poll shows that among voters aged over 55, support for Labor dived from 38 per cent to 31 per cent in a week and jumped from 49 per cent to 57 per cent for the Coalition.

Also since the last poll there have been the leaders' debate, in which Mr Abbott performed better than expected, and Ms Gillard's widely derided announcement of a citizens' assembly to help develop a community consensus on emissions trading.

The poll finds that 79 per cent of voters are unlikely to change their views before the election. This is the level recorded at the same stage of the 2004 and 2007 campaigns. It indicates 21 per cent could still be influenced by events of the next three weeks.


http://www.smh.com.au/national/abbott-seizes-the-lead-20100730-10zsa.html?autostart=1

If replicated on election day

Coalition about 86 Seats
Labor about 61 Seats
Others about 3


Preferred P.M

Gillard 49% (-6) Abbott 41 (+7)

Since Gillard is polling similar to Kevin Rudd, when he was stabbed in the back ... can we expect the faceless Labor committee to dump Gillard and promote Wayne Swan.


Or maybe Labor will now retract their inaction on climate change and commit to a Greens' carbon price.


Or Labor is heading for the political wilderness again ... 12 years wasn't long enough for them?

Liberals are still $2.65 to win .... be quick, those odds will probably shorten quickly.

____ wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 4:23am:

Since Gillard is polling similar to Kevin Rudd, when he was stabbed in the back ... can we expect the faceless Labor committee to dump Gillard and promote Wayne Swan. Or maybe Labor will now retract their inaction on climate change and commit to a Greens' carbon price. Or Labor is heading for the political wilderness again ... 12 years wasn't long enough for them?

Unless we have a hung parliament with the balance of power to the Greens - if Labor is thrown into the political wilderness - so are the Greens at this point.

The Liberals have distanced themselves altogether from the Greens, so if the Coalition win with a majority - the Greens don't have much of a chance of pushing their policies through.

The Greens policies as they stand would be extremely damaging to the economy of the country.  All parties know that environmental concerns must be met,  but the rate at which the Greens wish to proceed is totally unmanageable.  Industry would collapse, jobs lost and the economy crash.

Better to vote coalition.    Remember,  you are not voting for a person, you are voting for a party, one which has always showed responsible fiscal management.

mantra wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 8:23am:

____ wrote on Jul 31st, 2010 at 4:23am: Since Gillard is polling similar to Kevin Rudd, when he was stabbed in the back ... can we expect the faceless Labor committee to dump Gillard and promote Wayne Swan. Or maybe Labor will now retract their inaction on climate change and commit to a Greens' carbon price. Or Labor is heading for the political wilderness again ... 12 years wasn't long enough for them? Unless we have a hung parliament with the balance of power to the Greens - if Labor is thrown into the political wilderness - so are the Greens at this point. The Liberals have distanced themselves altogether from the Greens, so if the Coalition win with a majority - the Greens don't have much of a chance of pushing their policies through.

_/_/_/



Really?


Greens will likely hold the balance in the Senate, so if Abbott wins, he will have a choice of either being a lame duck P.M ... or negotiating with either Labor opposition Senators or Greens Senators to get his legislation through the upper house..

I am sure he is aware Labor Senators will do to him, what Liberals did to Labor over their dirty dirty C.P.R.S.


If Adam Bandt and/or other Green Candidates win House Of Reps seats, Liberals may decide to keep Greens close by offering a seat in their cabinet to Greens, as a way of getting negotiations going to get Liberal Legislation through the Senate.  

Mantra that is so true.
You speak to people and they don't realize that the Greens preference will go to labor. When they do realize that it makes them reevaluate their thinking.
I have to say I am not surprised by the latest polls because everywhere I go there is a lot of concern for labor and a lot of that concern is well founded I believe.

George wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 8:30am:

The Greens policies as they stand would be extremely damaging to the economy of the country.  All parties know that environmental concerns must be met,  but the rate at which the Greens wish to proceed is totally unmanageable.  Industry would collapse, jobs lost and the economy crash. Better to vote coalition.    Remember,  you are not voting for a person, you are voting for a party, one which has always showed responsible fiscal management.

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Incorrect

Greens policies will give certainty for business.

How will a Liberal maybe we will / maybe we wont put a price on carbon give certainty to electricity suppliers to invest in electricity infrastructure. Do Liberals really want rolling black / brown outs at the next federal election just because they failed to give certainty to electricity suppliers.


Liberal Electricity Shortages are bad for the economy ... bad for Business.

Liberal are ignoring electricity like they ignored the Murray Darling Basin, last time they were in government



Just look at the Murray - Darling Basin ... Federal Liberal inaction are the cause of it's collapse.

Buzz is lookng for the R O G U E keys but can't find them ;D ;D ;D

ellis wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 9:17am:

Mantra that is so true. You speak to people and they don't realize that the Greens preference will go to labor. When they do realize that it makes them reevaluate their thinking. I have to say I am not surprised by the latest polls because everywhere I go there is a lot of concern for labor and a lot of that concern is well founded I believe.

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Green preferences go where voters decide.

Are you saying Liberal voters are unable to mark their voting card to reflect their vote ellis? Are you saying Liberal Voters are stupid?


Liberal Voters who vote Greens 1 and then Liberals 2 double their vote since no Liberal electorate is likely to go to the Greens this election.


Here is the best opportunity for (small l) Liberals to tell Tony Abbott to moderate his extremism and also get real and act on human caused climate change. All by voting Greens and preference Liberals above Labor.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNG4kMqaAUs

____ wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 9:32am:

Green preferences go where voters decide. Are you saying Liberal voters are unable to mark their voting card to reflect their vote ellis? Are you saying Liberal Voters are stupid? Liberal Voters who vote Greens 1 and then Liberals 2 double their vote since no Liberal electorate is likely to go to the Greens this election. Here is the best opportunity for (small l) Liberals to tell Tony Abbott to moderate his extremism and also get real and act on human caused climate change. All by voting Greens and preference Liberals above Labor.

Greens' voters may care enough to number their ballot paper carefully, but other voters might not. If Labor and the Greens are swapping preferences - they stand more of a chance of getting the balance of power.

Liberals will not be giving the Greens any preferences - so by giving the Liberals our second preference - it will be wasted. As FD pointed out earlier (or someone did) - the Greens are scattered all over the country, not accumulated in any area specifically as are the Nationals.

They need all the help they can get.

Put Greens LAST on Ballot Paper



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/dangerous-hands-to-be-holding-balance-of-power/story-fn59niix-1225895823244

Should anyone not be aware of their "policies" check out their web site.

The fact they are in bed with the ALP gives you an insight into the party

George wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 9:58am:

Put Greens LAST on Ballot Paper http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/dangerous-hands-to-be-holding-balance-of-power/story-fn59niix-1225895823244

Comment .....

MPS of Sydney Posted at 1:50 PM July 23, 2010
Oh please. More of the don't vote for the Greens they can't be trusted and we must stick with Labor or Liberal. It is the same old fear campaign that is trotted out at every election about minor parties. The Democrats used to get a beating every election for on one hand not having any policies and on the other hand only having daft policies. Someone always looking for the most obscure policy and twisting the facts to make it sound like it was their number 1 concern. I'm surprised you didn't trot out the old "they are going to legalise hard drugs argument". You know someone fears you when they say you are irrelevant but can't stop talking about you. For the record it is unlikely that I will be putting number 1 next to the Greens but just wanted to dispute this hypocrisy that comes around every election.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/dangerous-hands-to-be-holding-balance-of-power/story-fn59niix-1225895823244

mantra wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 9:57am:

____ wrote on Jul 31st, 2010 at 9:32am: Green preferences go where voters decide. Are you saying Liberal voters are unable to mark their voting card to reflect their vote ellis? Are you saying Liberal Voters are stupid? Liberal Voters who vote Greens 1 and then Liberals 2 double their vote since no Liberal electorate is likely to go to the Greens this election. Here is the best opportunity for (small l) Liberals to tell Tony Abbott to moderate his extremism and also get real and act on human caused climate change. All by voting Greens and preference Liberals above Labor. Greens' voters may care enough to number their ballot paper carefully, but other voters might not. If Labor and the Greens are swapping preferences - they stand more of a chance of getting the balance of power. Liberals will not be giving the Greens any preferences - so by giving the Liberals our second preference - it will be wasted. As FD pointed out earlier (or someone did) - the Greens are scattered all over the country, not accumulated in any area specifically as are the Nationals. They need all the help they can get.

Yet there are plenty of (small l) Liberal (and Labor) voters who are against the inaction of both Liberal and Labor on climate change ... the joint support of Liberal and Labor to the internet filter ... the joint support of Liberal and Labor to waste Australian lives and taxes on the Afghan civil war ... on Liberal and Labor on dirty politics when it comes to refugees ... on Liberal and Labors opposition to lifting the Newstart allowance and opposing free dental ...  Liberal and Labor on opposing a carbon price ... Liberal and Labor on opposing a Bill of Rights ... on Liberal and Labor on opposing Voluntary Euthanasia ... on Liberal and Labor opposing same sex marriage and decreasing the gender gap in pay rates ... and the list goes on.


If any small l Liberal thinks Liberal are wrong on opposing Greens on any of these issues then surely they will vote Greens first and then preference Liberals above Labor ... so warning Tony Abbott without risking a potential Liberal win.

Liberal posters are smart enough to realise they will double their vote value by voting this way.  

cockneydoll wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 10:05am:

Should anyone not be aware of their "policies" check out their web site. The fact they are in bed with the ALP gives you an insight into the party

Yes Liberal and Labor are in bed together


What Liberal and Labor refuse to debate


Climate Change
Afghan Civil War, Why We Are There
The cost of the Afghan Civil War : Life and taxes
The Exit Strategy For Australia Concerning The Afghan Civil War.
Refugees
Renewable Energy
The Economy
Health
Preference Deals
Uranium
Peak Oil
Peak Water
Peak Food

and the list goes on

On most issues Labor and Liberal stand side by side giving Australians No Choice.

Beware Of The Labor/Liberal Secret Coalition.

Quote:

Beware Of The Labor/Liberal Secret Coalition

.

Yes they both have the same puppet master.

At the 2004 Senate election in Victoria, the Coalition polled 44.1% (3.1 quotas), Labor 36.1% (2.5 quotas) and the Greens 8.8% (0.6 quotas). The Coalition had a clear three quotas, Labor two full quotas, with Labor and the Greens competing for the final seat seat normally won by the left of politics. Labor's preference deal with minor parties was done to get Labor's third candidate ahead of the lead Green candidate. In the end, Labor's vote was lower than expected, and the preference deal with Family First and other micro-parties put Fielding ahead of the third Labor candidate, resulting in Labor's preferences being distributed instead and electing Steve Fielding. Fielding effectively grabbed one of the left's seats.

In 2010 the circumstances are different. Now it is the Coalition vote likely to fall short of three quotas while Labor plus the Greens will have more than three quotas between them. It is in the interest of both Labor and the Greens to do a tight swap of preferences in the hope that one of them will grab the third seat normally taken by the right of politics. This won't be possible in every state, but if Labor plus the Greens can grab an extra seat in any state, it will have an important impact on the Senate balance of power.

It has to be stressed that this deal won't be responsible for delivering the balance of power to the Greens. Even if the Greens only re-elect their sitting Senators in Tasmania and Western Australia, a re-elected Gillard government would see Labor take seats from the Coalition, and it is the Loss of Coalition Senators elected in 2004 that will pull the Greens Senators into the balance of power. The purpose of the deal is to weaken the Coalition's position beyond what would naturally occur if the Labor government is re-elected.

Of course, if something dramatic happens in the next few weeks and the Coalition wins the election, the Senate position would be different but the Greens still in an important position.

http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2010/07/green-preferences-at-the-2007-election.html#more


The Greens WILL hold the balance of power in the Senate
Steve Fielding will be gone - Family First, never to hold a seat in EITHER house again

The Greens are a growing force that the Federal Government (be it Coalition or Labor) will be forced to live and work with

That was a good article Buzz.


Quote:

The Greens WILL hold the balance of power in the Senate Steve Fielding will be gone - Family First, never to hold a seat in EITHER house again The Greens are a growing force that the Federal Government (be it Coalition or Labor) will be forced to live and work with

That's very encouraging - especially the bit about seeing the last of Steve Fielding.

Cabinet moves towards Greens' interim carbon tax
Thursday 15th July 2010

The Greens today welcomed reports that Cabinet is actively considering the Greens' proposal of an interim carbon tax but warned Prime Minister Gillard that seeking consensus on climate action only with the big polluters is a recipe for failure.

"Getting a carbon price in the market as soon as possible after the coming election is one of the best ways to build consensus towards real, ambitious climate action," Australian Greens Deputy Leader, Senator Christine Milne, said.

"Once polluters begin to pay for their pollution and Australians see that the sky is not falling in, the scare campaigns will lose their bite and we can move swiftly towards the deep emissions cuts that we need.


http://greensmps.org.au/content/media-release/cabinet-moves-towards-greens-interim-carbon-tax-consensus-%E2%89%A0-agreement-polluter

I gaurantee you right now, as soon as Gillard mentions the ETS carbon price, her rating will fall through the floor.

NO ONE wants it noone can afford it, I am fkd if I know who these ppl are talking about when they say **% support an ets or carbon tax.

its daft and it will sink Gillard quicker than anything else.


All Abbott has to do is highlight the increased costs and boom, gone.

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 10:59am:

Cabinet moves towards Greens' interim carbon tax Thursday 15th July 2010 The Greens today welcomed reports that Cabinet is actively considering the Greens' proposal of an interim carbon tax but warned Prime Minister Gillard that seeking consensus on climate action only with the big polluters is a recipe for failure. "Getting a carbon price in the market as soon as possible after the coming election is one of the best ways to build consensus towards real, ambitious climate action," Australian Greens Deputy Leader, Senator Christine Milne, said. "Once polluters begin to pay for their pollution and Australians see that the sky is not falling in, the scare campaigns will lose their bite and we can move swiftly towards the deep emissions cuts that we need. http://greensmps.org.au/content/media-release/cabinet-moves-towards-greens-interim-carbon-tax-consensus-%E2%89%A0-agreement-polluter

Buzz i notice you're posting a lot about the Greens on here, yet you've been VERY quiet about your TRUE LOVE, the ALP, WHY is that?

Is it because you don't want the Ozpolitics members to know your true ALP bias that many witnessed on Yahoo?

LOL.

;D

iamtheman012 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 11:37am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 31st, 2010 at 10:59am: Cabinet moves towards Greens' interim carbon tax Thursday 15th July 2010 The Greens today welcomed reports that Cabinet is actively considering the Greens' proposal of an interim carbon tax but warned Prime Minister Gillard that seeking consensus on climate action only with the big polluters is a recipe for failure. "Getting a carbon price in the market as soon as possible after the coming election is one of the best ways to build consensus towards real, ambitious climate action," Australian Greens Deputy Leader, Senator Christine Milne, said. "Once polluters begin to pay for their pollution and Australians see that the sky is not falling in, the scare campaigns will lose their bite and we can move swiftly towards the deep emissions cuts that we need. http://greensmps.org.au/content/media-release/cabinet-moves-towards-greens-interim-carbon-tax-consensus-%E2%89%A0-agreement-polluter Buzz i notice you're posting a lot about the Greens on here, yet you've been VERY quiet about your TRUE LOVE, the ALP, WHY is that? Is it because you don't want the Ozpolitics members to know your true ALP bias that many witnessed on Yahoo? LOL. ;D

Not at ALL

I vote ALP for Government
There are only two choices
I USUALLY vote Greens in the Senate

I have posted materiel on the Greens to highlight the INEVITABLE  

A Greens balance of power in the Senate for the next three years
Probably LONGER

You can take this as good or bad news, but it is a situation 'The Government' is going to have negotiate

Whoever 'The Government' is

I think we will see the dirt come out now on Abbott.
Lets see will it be his part in the Pauline Hanson affair.

ellis wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 12:10pm:

I think we will see the dirt come out now on Abbott. Lets see will it be his part in the Pauline Hanson affair.

Hmmnnn....maybe!?

Ironically, both parties will be somewhat buoyed by this dramatic shift in polling...

The Labs because the electorate will now be forced to critically re-assess their future prospects in the context of the possibility that the Libs could win - with the nutjob Abbott at the helm - and that the Libs have set a precedent that they are dogmatically against deposing a sitting PM...

Some of the Libs will be excited about the polling because they are bigoted and delusionally born-to-rule - and they genuinely believe in 'big L' Liberal dogmatic, draconian, divisive and elitist Governance...

However, a large group of moderate Libs remain gravely afraid of being relegated to political oblivion, with Abbott at the helm - they know that he is bi-polar (in every sense of the word) - and they will be afraid that he won't be able to be unseated regardless of how megalomaniac and dictatorial he becomes...

The lattter (moderate) group is the one that is stealthfully distancing themselves from the Lib 'leadership', in order to save their own political necks - they are the group to watch as the election approaches...

Regardless of one's political persuasion: how disturbing, to think that erratic and impulsive Abbott could remain at the helm ad nauseum ad infinitum, eh!?

The interesting thing about this thread is that there are no labor supporters here pronouncing that they will win the election. it is that same feeling that is spreading throughout the comunity and the labor party itself. the wheels on the campaign bus have well and truly fallen off and seemingly NOTHING goes right. Rudd is unable to campaign in QLD to help them but is quite capable of leaking... and the good lead Gillard had 2 weeks ago is now gone. It is an amazing experience to watch a first-term govt self-destruct. 3 weeks to go and Libs are already in a winning position.

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 10:59am:

Cabinet moves towards Greens' interim carbon tax Thursday 15th July 2010 The Greens today welcomed reports that Cabinet is actively considering the Greens' proposal of an interim carbon tax but warned Prime Minister Gillard that seeking consensus on climate action only with the big polluters is a recipe for failure. "Getting a carbon price in the market as soon as possible after the coming election is one of the best ways to build consensus towards real, ambitious climate action," Australian Greens Deputy Leader, Senator Christine Milne, said. "Once polluters begin to pay for their pollution and Australians see that the sky is not falling in, the scare campaigns will lose their bite and we can move swiftly towards the deep emissions cuts that we need. http://greensmps.org.au/content/media-release/cabinet-moves-towards-greens-interim-carbon-tax-consensus-%E2%89%A0-agreement-polluter

Obviously Milne doesnt understand the commonly accepted definition of 'consensus'. typical greenie...

Equitist wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 12:46pm:

ellis wrote on Jul 31st, 2010 at 12:10pm: I think we will see the dirt come out now on Abbott. Lets see will it be his part in the Pauline Hanson affair. Hmmnnn....maybe!? Ironically, both parties will be somewhat buoyed by this dramatic shift in polling... The Labs because the electorate will now be forced to critically re-assess their future prospects in the context of the possibility that the Libs could win - with the nutjob Abbott at the helm - and that the Libs have set a precedent that they are dogmatically against deposing a sitting PM... Some of the Libs will be excited about the polling because they are bigoted and delusionally born-to-rule - and they genuinely believe in 'big L' Liberal dogmatic, draconian, divisive and elitist Governance... However, a large group of moderate Libs remain gravely afraid of being relegated to political oblivion, with Abbott at the helm - they know that he is bi-polar (in every sense of the word) - and they will be afraid that he won't be able to be unseated regardless of how megalomaniac and dictatorial he becomes... The lattter (moderate) group is the one that is stealthfully distancing themselves from the Lib 'leadership', in order to save their own political necks - they are the group to watch as the election approaches... Regardless of one's political persuasion: how disturbing, to think that erratic and impulsive Abbott could remain at the helm ad nauseum ad infinitum, eh!?

It's quite embarrassing to watch you desperately try and paint every poll as bad for Abbott - even ones that have him the clear winner. You might need to get used to the idea of a Tony Abbot PMship through to 2020 and beyond!!

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 12:47pm:

The interesting thing about this thread is that there are no labor supporters here pronouncing that they will win the election. it is that same feeling that is spreading throughout the comunity and the labor party itself. the wheels on the campaign bus have well and truly fallen off and seemingly NOTHING goes right. Rudd is unable to campaign in QLD to help them but is quite capable of leaking... and the good lead Gillard had 2 weeks ago is now gone. It is an amazing experience to watch a first-term govt self-destruct. 3 weeks to go and Libs are already in a winning position.

LOL, Bates...suffice to say that some of us are hoping that your lot will be arrogant enough to shout that loud and proud...

As I suggested a few minutes ago: the real risk of an Abbott Govt is that the way has been paved for him to be installed indefinitely at the helm, regardless of how crazily delusional and pig-headed he becomes...

He is immature, bigoted, divisive and mentally ill (Bi-polar) - consistently unpredicatable - and a rabid attack dog is precisely NOT what any country needs in its national Leader!

||However, a large group of moderate Libs remain gravely afraid of being relegated to political oblivion||

and here is the best bit!  political oblivion??? even losing isnt political oblivion but when you look like winning....? You have only one competitor in the 'daft political analysis' competition - green-goober. And you may be surpassing him!!!

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 12:55pm:

||However, a large group of moderate Libs remain gravely afraid of being relegated to political oblivion|| and here is the best bit!  political oblivion??? even losing isnt political oblivion but when you look like winning....? You have only one competitor in the 'daft political analysis' competition - green-goober. And you may be surpassing him!!!

LOL...admit it Bates: even you have been privately afraid of that in recent months!

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 12:50pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 31st, 2010 at 10:59am: Cabinet moves towards Greens' interim carbon tax Thursday 15th July 2010 The Greens today welcomed reports that Cabinet is actively considering the Greens' proposal of an interim carbon tax but warned Prime Minister Gillard that seeking consensus on climate action only with the big polluters is a recipe for failure. "Getting a carbon price in the market as soon as possible after the coming election is one of the best ways to build consensus towards real, ambitious climate action," Australian Greens Deputy Leader, Senator Christine Milne, said. "Once polluters begin to pay for their pollution and Australians see that the sky is not falling in, the scare campaigns will lose their bite and we can move swiftly towards the deep emissions cuts that we need. http://greensmps.org.au/content/media-release/cabinet-moves-towards-greens-interim-carbon-tax-consensus-%E2%89%A0-agreement-polluter Obviously Milne doesnt understand the commonly accepted definition of 'consensus'. typical greenie...

And Greens understand that consensus can be built by leading. For example Greens on lifting Pensioners Out Of Poverty. Originally Liberals voted with Labor and opposed Lifting Pensioners Out Of Poverty ... then Liberals flip flopped and sided with the Greens ... Then Labor caved in.

Consensus was then achieved.

Well Done Greens

____ wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 1:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 31st, 2010 at 12:50pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 31st, 2010 at 10:59am: Cabinet moves towards Greens' interim carbon tax Thursday 15th July 2010 The Greens today welcomed reports that Cabinet is actively considering the Greens' proposal of an interim carbon tax but warned Prime Minister Gillard that seeking consensus on climate action only with the big polluters is a recipe for failure. "Getting a carbon price in the market as soon as possible after the coming election is one of the best ways to build consensus towards real, ambitious climate action," Australian Greens Deputy Leader, Senator Christine Milne, said. "Once polluters begin to pay for their pollution and Australians see that the sky is not falling in, the scare campaigns will lose their bite and we can move swiftly towards the deep emissions cuts that we need. http://greensmps.org.au/content/media-release/cabinet-moves-towards-greens-interim-carbon-tax-consensus-%E2%89%A0-agreement-polluter Obviously Milne doesnt understand the commonly accepted definition of 'consensus'. typical greenie... And Greens understand that consensus can be built by leading. For example Greens on lifting Pensioners Out Of Poverty. Originally Liberals voted with Labor and opposed Lifting Pensioners Out Of Poverty ... then Liberals flip flopped and sided with the Greens ... Then Labor caved in. Consensus was then achieved. Well Done Greens

Greens do not understand consensus. getting right once - by accident - doesnt count. ETS anyone? their idea of consensus is 'my way or the highway'. so instead, they chose nothing.

anyhow buzz, are you still tipping a labor win?

Baring a monumental stuff up its looking like a shoe in for the Libs. I wonder who Labor will pick as leader of the opposition and will Tony stop using out dated phrases like Fair Dinkum once he is PM..I hope so because its a tad embarrassing  :)

Is anyone in the labor camp still tipping they will win? Gillard's leadership coup has backfired and turned to crap - just like all their policies - and left labor looking like losing worse than if Rudd had remained.

Labor incompetence at its finest!

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 2:37pm:

Is anyone in the labor camp still tipping they will win? Gillard's leadership coup has backfired and turned to crap - just like all their policies - and left labor looking like losing worse than if Rudd had remained. Labor incompetence at its finest!

;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Man it would be fun to drag out all those post 2007 election comments from yahoo and discuss with the labor posters.

You have to admit it is the most astonishing turnaround in political fortunes Ive ever seen. ONly 8 months ago Libs were looking like losing 20+ seats and now they are looking like winning 25-30 seats! And the old adge is true: oppositions dont win elections, govts LOSE them. And labor is stuffing up everything at the moment. the wheels on the bus of their campaign have fallen off totally and Gillards approval is dropping like a stone along with labor's polls. as recently as 3 weeks ago I thought labor would win by a similar margin to 2007. and barring any amazing policies from either side (oh we wish!) labor is sunk and the first govt in 70+ years to lose after one term.

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 2:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 31st, 2010 at 2:37pm: Is anyone in the labor camp still tipping they will win? Gillard's leadership coup has backfired and turned to crap - just like all their policies - and left labor looking like losing worse than if Rudd had remained. Labor incompetence at its finest! ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D Man it would be fun to drag out all those post 2007 election comments from yahoo and discuss with the labor posters.

I'll be happy to drag out one of Buzz's classics from early this year that the Libs were going to be virtually destroyed in a landslide.  Thats a classic one!

There are still three weeks to go,  much and all as I'd like to think it's cut and dried for the Coalition I'm still keeping my fingers crossed.  

I can't bear the thought of Julia Gillard as Prime Minister .

The only prediction I made about this election when it was announced was that it was unpredictable. it began with polls suggesting a large swing to labor and now it is a large swing in the opposite direction. Who can tell?

It will be interesting to see if the Greens can grab the balance of power in the senate.
Big Joe Hockey will always get back in, in my electorate no matter how I vote but I can make my vote count in the Senate.
The missus is a rusted on Lib voter and she's pretty chuffed the Libs are in front and powering along, personally, I like Big Joe and the rest of the "Wets" in the Liberal Party but I cant stand Tony Abbott and the "Drys"  :)
Vote Green in the Senate if you dont want to see public health and public education cut to ribbons   :)

adelcrow wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 2:56pm:

It will be interesting to see if the Greens can grab the balance of power in the senate. Big Joe Hockey will always get back in, in my electorate no matter how I vote but I can make my vote count in the Senate. The missus is a rusted on Lib voter and she's pretty chuffed the Libs are in front and powering along, personally, I like Big Joe and the rest of the "Wets" in the Liberal Party but I cant stand Tony Abbott and the "Drys"  :) Vote Green in the Senate if you dont want to see public health and public education cut to ribbons   :)

and labor have anything to brag about in either portfolio? in health they have done nothing but shift the funding arrangements around and add a paltry $2B to the mix while spending more than that on insulation! funny priorities that. Labors education history is nothing to brag about either. no changes whatseover in public school funding and a computer rollout that cost 3 times as much as promised to hand out a third of what was planned and taking 3 years to do it. and of course spending nearly $17B to get $5B worth of building that may or may not have actually been needed is not seomthing to be proud of.

Abbott was health minister and while the libs record on health and education were no stellar, labor has nothing better to offer - unless massive waste and incompetence are valued skills nowadays.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 2:55pm:

The only prediction I made about this election when it was announced was that it was unpredictable. it began with polls suggesting a large swing to labor and now it is a large swing in the opposite direction. Who can tell?

Agreed - and such extraordinary swings are rarely validated in subsequent polls (not least because the preceding poll questions vary from poll to poll)...

BTW methinks that your apparent gloating is both immature and premature...

::)

nichy wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 2:53pm:

There are still three weeks to go,  much and all as I'd like to think it's cut and dried for the Coalition I'm still keeping my fingers crossed.   I can't bear the thought of Julia Gillard as Prime Minister .

LOL...as if Tony Abbott is anywhere near being a model statesperson!?

The thought of him being installed as PM definitely scares the crap outta me!

Equitist wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 3:05pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 31st, 2010 at 2:55pm: The only prediction I made about this election when it was announced was that it was unpredictable. it began with polls suggesting a large swing to labor and now it is a large swing in the opposite direction. Who can tell? Agreed - and such extraordinary swings are rarely validated in subsequent polls (not least because the preceding poll questions vary from poll to poll)... BTW methinks that your apparent gloating is both immature and premature... ::)

and so we return to the 'rogue poll' comments...

the polls have been all over the place all year indicating a high degree of volatility in the electorate. but they are starting to show more with libs in front. the election is far from over but it is faintly ridiculous not to acknowledge that labor is in real trouble and risking loss.  the closer to the election the the more accurate polls are.

Equitist wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 3:07pm:

nichy wrote on Jul 31st, 2010 at 2:53pm: There are still three weeks to go,  much and all as I'd like to think it's cut and dried for the Coalition I'm still keeping my fingers crossed.   I can't bear the thought of Julia Gillard as Prime Minister . LOL...as if Tony Abbott is anywhere near being a model statesperson!? The thought of him being installed as PM definitely scares the crap outta me!

Get used to it!!!! LOL

It's early days, there's much that can happen between now and the election, though this said, it's looking good.

8-) I am very pleased with the poll results, though I'm not about to get complacent about it as this would be a big mistake I think.

Labor are no great shakes when it comes to public health education and housing either, that's why its important to have the Greens with the balance of power in the Senate no matter who gets the top job  :)

adelcrow wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 2:56pm:

It will be interesting to see if the Greens can grab the balance of power in the senate. Big Joe Hockey will always get back in, in my electorate no matter how I vote but I can make my vote count in the Senate. The missus is a rusted on Lib voter and she's pretty chuffed the Libs are in front and powering along, personally, I like Big Joe and the rest of the "Wets" in the Liberal Party but I cant stand Tony Abbott and the "Drys"  :) Vote Green in the Senate if you dont want to see public health and public education cut to ribbons   :)

Agreed - I am in a safe Lab seat (which is amongst a few marginals) - and I am keen for the Greens to hold the balance of power in the Senate...

After the hard lessons of the Howardian Era, I definitely don't want either of the LibLabs to ever gain an effective-dictatorship by controlling both houses of parliament...

LOL...as if Tony Abbott is anywhere near being a model statesperson!?

The thought of him being installed as PM definitely scares the crap outta me!....thy equitist


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thy you are so full of it, it will probably do you the world of good.

Its no good losing sleep over who is going to get in..the only vote we have control over is our own.
Labor, Coalition, Green or the Alliance of Unified Mermaid Stalkers..who ever gets the majority of the vote deserves to be there and life goes on as it always does  :)

I think more than anything else, Australians want a stable and capable government which is focused on getting the job done.

Labor are too consumed with managing their own in-party squabbles, of which smacks of instability and poor leadership.

When we have Wayne Swan , Labors Deputy Prime Minister and Treasurer  believed to be leaking information to the media, you have to ask yourself why.

Most dysfunctional~

Live by the sword die by the sword... it was only a matter of time before the honeymoon effect wore off and voters both male and female woke up to the fact that Labor was both untrustworthy and undependable.

In other words... "Yes, it was lovely having our very first female PM, though we really need a government that's capable of getting the job done"

Labor is a sneaky underhanded machine which threw a spanner in it's own works.

They only have themselves to blame.

8-)i

Those from the yahoo forum will note that I stated 8 months ago that the libs would win and I put $1000 on the coalition at $5.

I am out in the community everyday in ppls household from all sectors of teh community and 8 or so months ago, talk about how pathetic the labor gov was became so evident.

people have turned I have neen saying it for a long time only to be ridiculed. But alot of what I have written has eventuated.

Rudd will be toast next election, already gone.

An ETS will sink labor, has been put on the back burner.

NBN will not get off the ground.

The mining tax was a stupid policy to stack your reputation on.
gillard will call a snap election to take advantage of a bounce in the polls during the winter recession to avoid any question time scrutiny of its diabolical policy failures.

Border protection relaxation would lead to a massive surge in boats.

Gillard will the the shortest serving PM in our history.

Let me get this right..you wander around the country bothering people about politics?
Ive rarely heard any of my clients or business associates mention politics or who they think should be running this or any other country.
Im usually to busy discussing work, contracts or personal day to day issues or just socialising and having fun with clients, family and friends and I highly doubt the average person gives a rats tossbag who is running the country.
You're in the community every day telling people how bad the Labor govt is?..Honestly, you need to get a life and enjoy yourself a bit  :)

laborfornever wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 4:04pm:

Those from the yahoo forum will note that I stated 8 months ago that the libs would win and I put $1000 on the coalition at $5. I am out in the community everyday in ppls household from all sectors of teh community and 8 or so months ago, talk about how pathetic the labor gov was became so evident. people have turned I have neen saying it for a long time only to be ridiculed. But alot of what I have written has eventuated. Rudd will be toast next election, already gone. An ETS will sink labor, has been put on the back burner. NBN will not get off the ground. The mining tax was a stupid policy to stack your reputation on. gillard will call a snap election to take advantage of a bounce in the polls during the winter recession to avoid any question time scrutiny of its diabolical policy failures. Border protection relaxation would lead to a massive surge in boats. Gillard will the the shortest serving PM in our history.

An interesting site :

http://campaignpulse.abc.net.au/


notice the average of all polls. Yes Liberals are improving yet have you blown $1000 bucks !!!


and what if Greens win the balance in both houses, do Liberal and Labor bets lose?

I don't think the Greens donkey-votes will be enough to worry about as the election draws near.

The Greens have become a power-brokering party in their own right, and like Labor, have well and truly lost their way where their own parties ethics are concerned, and whilst I have always been opposed to some of their rather out-there policies, I do think I preferred them better when they were functioning as a genuine party, this opposed to the silent-supporters of someone else's.

Even Greens Leader Bob Brown is opposed to the system his party employ to earn themselves seats in the senate....well, so he says.

Guaranteed, if Greens votes are what determine the outcome of this election, this and manage to scrape Labor through by the skin of it's teeth Greens as a party will never live it down.

I think they know this which is why SA greens boycotted their national preference system (their How to vote Greens cards) , and I think others are contemplating doing this also...so you might find as the election draws closer and (IF) Liberal continues to increase in popularity, Greens  balance-of-power may shift...as might their preferences.

:) I hope so.  

They should listen to their leader on this, because it only stands to hurt their credibility more in the long run...should they be referred to the Australian Preference Party, APP, this and continue to lose touch with their own sense of political autonomy.

Seats in the senate or not, we are talking about the overall credibility of a party here, and if a 'clunker' Labor party wins this election, purely because Greens  sold them preferences, then those who unwittingly voted 'How-to-vote-Green' this time, wont again next time, guaranteed, thus will cost them at the 2013 election after a dysfunctional Labor party has reeked it's havoc.

I would be trying to remain as neutral as possible if I were them, or at least preference both leading party's 60/40 (in favour of Labor) if they genuinely do prefer Labors climate or environmental policies.

Because at least this way, they wont be held accountable if Labor do manage to get in and destroys what's left of our economy...this and wont be left holding the baby.i

mellie wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 5:06pm:

I don't think the Greens donkey-votes will be enough to worry about as the election draws near.

Well donkeys do vote green


And shouldn't the greens be referred to as the ALP - coalition, as afterall they are in bed together!

Either way, if Labor do manage to get in due to Greens preferences, they will inevitably be referred to as that how-to-vote party who cant stand on it's own two feet that preferences parties for their own political gain.

Can you imagine how many green voters they will lose once Labor introduce mandatory censorship, when they themselves realise that their Green vote was what made censorship possible, despite Greens having openly opposed censorship itself?

A vote for Greens is inadvertently a vote for Labor!

This is why this party appeals more to naive/youth/uninformed voters.

By voting for the Greens, (should Labor win)..they will have effectively cut off their green noses to spite their face, when they can no longer google what they used to because "Labor says no!i

The greens are like cheap hookers trying to get regulars down the local street corner.

lil.brat26 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 5:10pm:

mellie wrote on Jul 31st, 2010 at 5:06pm: I don't think the Greens donkey-votes will be enough to worry about as the election draws near. Well donkeys do vote green And shouldn't the greens be referred to as the ALP - coalition, as afterall they are in bed together!

Another 'Poor Me' Liberal Party Poster


Meanwhile do you think (small l)Liberals are too stupid to use the Greens to send a protest vote to Abbott.

Vote Greens, then preference Libs ... and don't risk their Lib Vote.

aaaahhhh.........CHOOOOOOO

yeeewck I didnt have a hanky now Ive got runny green stuff all over the place!

....On the other hand, should the Greens allocate their preferences more 'neutrally' in time for this election, then they may gain respect for being more neutral,  just in time for the 2013 election.

They need to make up their minds, do they want to be their own party, or be the power-brokers of someone else's?

Greens insist they backed Labor because of their slightly more appealing Climate policy, HOWEVER, they have been openly opposed to Labors plans to censor our internet, so when Liberals announce their anticipated censorship Opt-out policy, of which will give individuals the freedom to make this decision for themselves, will Greens not give credit where it's due?

Will they then cast a few preferences the Libs way?

And if not, why not, if preferences are all about giving individual parties credit where it's due?

8-)...

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Meanwhile do you think (small l)Liberals are too stupid to use the Greens to send a protest vote to Abbott. Vote Greens, then preference Libs ... and don't risk their Lib Vote.

No self respecting Lib voter (small l or large L) would ever think of preferencing the lunatic party. They are a sure fire bet to completely ruin the country.

Look at the sh!t we have had to put up with under a centre-left party. You can multiply the waste and screwed up policies by a thousand for every step further to the left

mellie wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 5:39pm:

They need to make up their minds, do they want to be their own party, or be the power-brokers of someone else's?

A cheap hooker isn't fussy, much less respectful

mellie wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 5:39pm:

Greens insist they backed Labor because of their slightly more appealing Climate policy,

yeah, thats why rudd dumped the Climate policy the first opportunity he had!

Without a formal preferencing deal with Labor, Greens preferences usually flow 73-80% to Labor.

With this preference deal, Greens preferences will likely flow 73-80% labor.


Now we know Neo Cons have a  very hard time with perspective.

Yet (small l) Liberals are more intelligent and can see they can use the Greens to send a protest vote to Abbott without risking their Liberal Vote.

Well greens are quite green in politics.

Not even qualified for L-plates!

Every Lib voter I know puts the Greens last- exactly where they belong because they know they are a bunch of misfits

____ wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 5:49pm:

Without a formal preferencing deal with Labor, Greens preferences usually flow 73-80% to Labor. With this preference deal, Greens preferences will likely flow 73-80% labor. Now we know Neo Cons have a  very hard time with perspective. Yet (small l) Liberals are more intelligent and can see they can use the Greens to send a protest vote to Abbott without risking their Liberal Vote.

And will Greens release their preference percentage ratio's  prior to the election, to allow the public to decide whether or not they want to HOW-TO-VOTE-GREEN at the polls?

Got a link to the above percentage ratios you detail?

8-)

Well greens cant stand on their own feet, thats why thay need a crutch or two to support them!

mellie wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 5:57pm:

____ wrote on Jul 31st, 2010 at 5:49pm: Without a formal preferencing deal with Labor, Greens preferences usually flow 73-80% to Labor. With this preference deal, Greens preferences will likely flow 73-80% labor. Now we know Neo Cons have a  very hard time with perspective. Yet (small l) Liberals are more intelligent and can see they can use the Greens to send a protest vote to Abbott without risking their Liberal Vote. And will Greens release their preference percentage ratio's  prior to the election, to allow the public to decide whether or not they want to HOW-TO-VOTE-GREEN at the polls? Got a link to the above percentage ratios you detail? 8-)

_/_/_/


while I go looking for the link ... will Liberals vote with Greens next time to end these preference deals ... or will they vote will Labor again for these sort of preference deals too continue?


Neo cons and their crocodile tears.

http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2010/07/green-preferences-at-the-2007-election.html

Green Preferences and the 2010 Election.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnNmt6zsVCw

It's not that easy being green
Having to spend each day the color of the leaves
When I think it could be nicer being red, or yellow or gold
Or something much more colorful like that

It's not easy being green
It seems you blend in with so many other ordinary things
And people tend to pass you over 'cause you're
Not standing out like flashy sparkles in the water
Or stars in the sky


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNG4kMqaAUs

mmmmm I see that the opinion polls are: ALP 48, Lib-NP 52.


I don't see anyone wanting the greens, well that's understandable isnt it.

lil.brat26 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 6:25pm:

mmmmm I see that the opinion polls are: ALP 48, Lib-NP 52. I don't see anyone wanting the greens, well that's understandable isnt it.

Haven't you heard, the Green-Labor party apparently, sigh~

oops, apologies for the typo, but that's why they call her the Grinch, I think.  ;)

mellie wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 6:27pm:

Haven't you heard, the Green-Labia party apparently, sigh~

yeeeck, a green labia ....sounds quite off!


sniff sniff....and pungent too

As goerge said


Quote:

The Greens policies as they stand would be extremely damaging to the economy of the country.  All parties know that environmental concerns must be met,  but the rate at which the Greens wish to proceed is totally unmanageable.  Industry would collapse, jobs lost and the economy crash. Better to vote coalition.    Remember,  you are not voting for a person, you are voting for a party, one which has always showed responsible fiscal management.

lil.brat26 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 6:25pm:

mmmmm I see that the opinion polls are: ALP 48, Lib-NP 52. I don't see anyone wanting the greens, well that's understandable isnt it.

Primary Vote

Liberals 42%
Labor 36%
Greens 12%
Nationals 3%

Primary Vote

Liberals 48%
Labor 36%
Nationals 12%
Greens 2%
Democrats 1%
Independants 1%



This is fun ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

____ wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 6:39pm:

lil.brat26 wrote on Jul 31st, 2010 at 6:25pm: mmmmm I see that the opinion polls are: ALP 48, Lib-NP 52. I don't see anyone wanting the greens, well that's understandable isnt it. Primary Vote Liberals 42% Labor 36% Greens 12% Nationals 3%

Can I have a source for the above, as i'm sure I heard somewhere that Greens lost a few points, and nationals gained a few.

:)

lil.brat26 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 6:42pm:

Primary Vote Liberals 48% Labor 36% Nationals 12% Greens 2% Democrats 1% Independants 1% This is fun ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

What a MORON



The Australian Greens are offering a kind of stable leadership and innovation lacking in the major parties, their leader Bob Brown says.

The party's primary support remained stable over the past week at 12 per cent, according to Saturday's Nielsen poll.

The Green's figure is down from a 15 per cent high for them in early June but Senator Brown said it's well above the eight per cent at the 2007 federal election.


http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/greens-welcome-poll-result-20100731-1109z.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

The greens will hold the rest of the country to ransom to promulgate their buggered up ideal.

It's a sad state of affairs when a minority of 12% can force their expensive and useless green tinged garbage on the rest of the normal public

All tidbits. Labor will get back in. This is just politics pornography.

Enjoy the big group wank called democracy.

Wow, there are allot of wounded egos here tonight, and things are very quiet on the left-front indeed.

.....They must be drowning their sorrows , that or plotting MrrrAbbotts next poll assignation. A bit of both I suspect.


I could have sworn I heard Mz Gillard call Tony Mr Rabbit tonight....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOUhGcsHqDM

'ya varmint':Joolya

 ;D

See that buzzy boy has passed his moron exam, and got a high distinction in it
conratulations buzzy - we all knew you would exceed in that field, guess it's a natural gift of yours!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Just in:

Al Gore to meet with CRU's head climatologists

Climatologists warn that the "Climate is changing" after finding Water under a Gate following a brief afternoon shower observed from Google earth this evening.

MarkII
Climatologists warn that the "Climate is changing" after discovering a puddle of water next to a lamp post just outside a local kennel!

lil.brat26 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 9:59pm:

MarkII Climatologists warn that the "Climate is changing" after discovering a puddle of water next to a lamp post just outside a local kennel!

hahahah

Not to be outdone by the climatologists finding WATER near a GATE ;)

mellie wrote on Jul 31^st, 2010 at 10:02pm:

Not to be outdone by climatologists finding WATER near a GATE ;)

They got a tip off from someone called Richard Nixon!

The Greens could have traded their preferences for the dropping of the mandatory internet filter. so what exactly did they get for their preferences? seems like nothing. What a useless party!