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Title: Why Change? Post by ethelsidebottom on Jul 27th, 2010 at 8:32pm
We have a current government that has seen australia through the worst crisis' since the great depression. mistakes have been made, but by and large, Labor have received good international accolades and PR about the way they have handled and steered australia over the last three years
Why Change? why risk it all on a faded Opposition that has little scope for improvement? Why elect a party whose front bench is the epitomy of incompetence? Kerosene anyone? Labor may not be perfect, but they sure outway the alternative! :D |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by Soren on Jul 27th, 2010 at 8:57pm
After 3 years of Rudd, everyone knows that Howard was turfed out for the wrong reason and giving Rudd and the ALP a go was a dreadful example of collective pique by the pampered and spoiled electorate.
The ALP was not and still is not ready for government. |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by laborfornever on Jul 27th, 2010 at 9:06pm
Ok so lets run with keeping us alive during the GFC as the govs only success during its term, which is probably correct everything else it did was a diabolical failure.
however at what cost has it been to us now and future generations that laborsdrunken spending "may"have kept us afloat. the debt is expected to top 200 billion in 2013. Actually say that figure 200 billion, that has been the cost to this country for labor possibly keeping us afloat, spending borrowed money throwing billions at anything. How is labor going to repay this if they can only project a 3 billion dollar surplus in 2013, how many decades to repay?? Atleast the the libs have a proven track record on fiscal management. Your prepared to vote in a mob who has demonstrated NO responsibillity when it comes to money. You all say we need to act on climate now to protect future generations, why don't you have the same veiw when it comes to the finances of this country????? |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by deepthought on Jul 27th, 2010 at 9:50pm ethelsidebottom wrote on Jul 27th, 2010 at 8:32pm:
What did they actually do? Their claim is job creation. Is that how you see it? |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by riverina.jack on Jul 27th, 2010 at 10:50pm laborfornever wrote on Jul 27th, 2010 at 9:06pm:
I have ask this question heaps of times and no one can give me an answer. So tell me L4N why do all of a sudden do we have to have a budget in suplus? We went 85 years without the budget being in suplus and we never went broke, is that all you liberals think about money and nothing else? |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by Three.Equal.lists on Jul 27th, 2010 at 10:53pm
doh...deficit is debt, surplus is savings. Deficit = inflation; Inflation = higher interest rates; higher interest rates = higher house mortgage rates and higher grocery prices and higher every prices, except wages.
Got is yet? or nyet? You *must* be a labor voter eh. Get out the credit cards - paaardy tyyyme!!! |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by riverina.jack on Jul 27th, 2010 at 11:06pm shampain socialist wrote on Jul 27th, 2010 at 10:53pm:
What was the interest rate when Menzie was in power? The budget was in deficit all the time he was in. I bet they were lower then when Howard was in. Keating budget in 1986 was the first ever budget that was in surplus. All you liberals keep telling as that interest rates were 17% then. |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by longweekend58 on Jul 27th, 2010 at 11:17pm John S wrote on Jul 27th, 2010 at 11:06pm:
and they were. the point about budget deficits is that they fuel inflation and if they get out of hand they can become deadly. Why is it that the same labor supporters that moan and groan about personal debt int his country applaud labor for govt debt? hypocrisy anyone? but the point most worth noting is that australia is the only western country to survive the GFC unscathed. so perhaps what we did - surplus and zero debt - was the major reason? up until the last 15 years australia was subject to every international recession and downturn. much of that reason was that our debt burden linked us inextricably to the rest of the worlds woes. by ridding ourselves of that link we made the task of staying afloat in difficult waters all that much easier. |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by codswal on Jul 28th, 2010 at 8:09am
and they were. the point about budget deficits is that they fuel inflation and if they get out of hand they can become deadly. Why is it that the same labor supporters that moan and groan about personal debt int his country applaud labor for govt debt? hypocrisy anyone? but the point most worth noting is that australia is the only western country to survive the GFC unscathed. so perhaps what we did - surplus and zero debt - was the major reason? up until the last 15 years australia was subject to every international recession and downturn. much of that reason was that our debt burden linked us inextricably to the rest of the worlds woes. by ridding ourselves
xxxxxxxxxxx so true longy..selective memory helps some forget that though.. debt is very very costly today. we are a small nation to have such a huge debt.how this Labor govt can predict what will happen in 3 years time when they didnt see what would happen with their roof insulation debacle even after they were told adnauseum, gives me hives just thinking about it..what also makes them think the Libs wouldnt have steered us through the GFC I dont know..in fact we may have even come though with half the debt ,we will never know will we?.. oooppss the lefties will know they all have chrystal balls. |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by skippy. on Jul 28th, 2010 at 8:40am ethelsidebottom wrote on Jul 27th, 2010 at 8:32pm:
Its only the die hard fascists who want to change gov, you've seen them all pop in here already,hi deepy/IQSRLOW,lonersweekend,laborforever. The punter on the street is pretty happy with this gov, there are no baseball bats waiting for Gillard, there is no mood for change, Gillard will win and if Abbott keeps stuffing up like he does every time he flaps his gums Gillard could well get an increased majority. |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by sprintcyclist on Jul 28th, 2010 at 8:54am the alp have failed at almost every policy they tried. the gfc was ok here cause of china and our lack of fed. debt the alp are borrowing $100 M per day !!!!!!! that's why I want them out. they are proven failures. |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by longweekend58 on Jul 28th, 2010 at 9:01am
I think she might have lost the elderly vote since she didnt want to give them a pension increase because they vote liberal more than labor. and the mothers might ditch her too since she opposed parental leave!
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by skippy. on Jul 28th, 2010 at 9:03am Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 28th, 2010 at 8:54am:
Helianfucious Famous poster write- You need to be under fifteen to believe that. But in this case I'd say five. |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by mantra on Jul 28th, 2010 at 9:10am
The media is doing a great hatchet job on Labor. I hope the ALP ramp up their negative advertising, but it's hard to stoop to the low vitriol that the Libs and their supporters do.
Labor might be "borrowing" $100 million a day - but if they stopped immediately - all services would come to a halt - after all we are a nation of 24 million and we are supposed to be in a recession. If Abbott gets in he will just finish off the job Howard intended to complete for Australia. The purse strings will be tightened immediately on public services - while private industry and the wealthy get an increase in the handouts they have relied upon for so long. Labor is trying to wean people off welfare and has introduced wage indexing which is something Howard never did. Welfare which is intended for the needy, has become welfare for the greedy. If Abbott wins and this "great depression" that is predicted hits us - who will we blame? I'm surprised all those who lost so much of their money in early 2008 on their investments haven't blamed the coalition. i |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by skippy. on Jul 28th, 2010 at 9:15am Quote:
The tards will blame Labor, everone else will be waiting with a baseball bat for Abbott. |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by longweekend58 on Jul 28th, 2010 at 9:20am mantra wrote on Jul 28th, 2010 at 9:10am:
So many errors, so little space... 1) you didnt mind the media support Rudd at the last election - including Murdoch. So your complaint is based on hypocirsy, not principle. FAIL 2) we are a nation of 22Million not 24 million. FAIL 3) the continued borrowing is to pay for a stimulus that is not needed now and to pay for hopelss programs liek BER. Services would not 'all stop'. FAIL 4) We are not in recession, nor have we been since the last Labor got (Keating). FAIL 5) Howard let australia to its greatest ever prosperity. We can only HOPE that Abbott will finish off Howards job. FAIL 6) Public services and welfare increased more under Howard than anyone ever before. FAIL 7) The 'depression' wont hit us or anyone else either. USA and Europe are going to have along painful recovery and possibly another recession. We however wil continue to do moderately well. So your post was totally full of errors! typical labor supporter! |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by longweekend58 on Jul 28th, 2010 at 9:21am skippy. wrote on Jul 28th, 2010 at 9:15am:
The 'tards actually vote Labor. |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by riverina.jack on Jul 28th, 2010 at 10:11am longweekend58 wrote on Jul 28th, 2010 at 9:20am:
longy tell us how much the pensions increase in 11 years Howard was in, beside the CPI increases and I am not talking about the increase for the self funded retirees |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by iamtheman012 on Jul 28th, 2010 at 10:13am John S wrote on Jul 28th, 2010 at 10:11am:
Rough, tell us the reason why Gillard didn't support a pension increase please? :) |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by Cyberman on Jul 28th, 2010 at 10:15am
Gillard: bugger the old people. They won't vote for us anyway.
What a dirty, low down rotten skank |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by longweekend58 on Jul 28th, 2010 at 10:18am John S wrote on Jul 28th, 2010 at 10:11am:
at least you recognise that pensions had CPI increases. that already makes you better informed than your average labor supporter. But you surely must recognise that when we are talking about welfare payments we are talking about more than just pensions. Some increased in real terms. some did not. and other payments were added to the mix. it still amounts to the biggest increase in welfare payments in history. |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by riverina.jack on Jul 28th, 2010 at 10:19am iamtheman012 wrote on Jul 28th, 2010 at 10:13am:
I ask the question first so answer it then I will answer yours or can't you answer it. You always answer a question with a question |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by longweekend58 on Jul 28th, 2010 at 10:20am
Imagine if Howard had used Gillards reasoning and refused to increase welfare payments or removed them becase 'they dont vote for us'?
We used to have a PM of integrity then we got Rudd/Gillard. ugh:( |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by vegitamite on Jul 28th, 2010 at 10:26am
So many errors, so little space...
1) you didnt mind the media support Rudd at the last election - including Murdoch. So your complaint is based on hypocirsy, not principle. FAIL ============================== Sad that you feel its ok, by giving them an excuse , for the media to rule or sway our elections for personal gain... This mind set is why the world is going under.... |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by iamtheman012 on Jul 28th, 2010 at 10:37am John S wrote on Jul 28th, 2010 at 10:19am:
Actually rough you silly prick it's Green that does that, NOT me. And in answer to the question, "Between 1996 and 2007, pensions increased by 2 per cent a year ahead of inflation". :D |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by longweekend58 on Jul 28th, 2010 at 10:38am wrote on Jul 28th, 2010 at 10:26am:
I could explain what I was saying, but that would require you to have a brain. FAIL. |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by longweekend58 on Jul 28th, 2010 at 10:39am iamtheman012 wrote on Jul 28th, 2010 at 10:37am:
ouch! that was an inconvenient answer! I wonder how the labor supports are handling that one? |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by vegitamite on Jul 28th, 2010 at 10:44am
5) Howard let australia to its greatest ever prosperity. We can only HOPE that Abbott will finish off Howards job. FAIL
============================ What DID Howard do to create, or take the credit, for that time? As far as I can see he was just mostly lucky ! Prove me wrong - I dont mind ? |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by vegitamite on Jul 28th, 2010 at 10:46am
) the continued borrowing is to pay for a stimulus that is not needed now and to pay for hopelss programs liek BER. Services would not 'all stop'. FAIL
================================== Oh boy. where to start if only I had more time . You need to listen to the types OF investments and how they benefit.... |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by iamtheman012 on Jul 28th, 2010 at 10:49am wrote on Jul 28th, 2010 at 10:46am:
Vegetable are you referring to COLA's and new classrooms to replace existing classrooms? Yeah that's a real Education Revolution. LOL, they'll really help the kiddies in the future life. :D |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by codswal on Jul 28th, 2010 at 10:52am
The tards will blame Labor, everone else will be waiting with a baseball bat for Abbott.
xxxx so have you forgotton so early how Howard and Costello were blamed for evvvvvvvverything a short while ago... its called Karma what goes around comes around get used to it.. Labor have a lot to anser for. we from the right appreciate you cant see that, blinded by science as they say. but dont think the Libs will forget the appalling record your lot have in 3 short years..lol |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by sprintcyclist on Jul 28th, 2010 at 10:58am buildings do not educate anyone. esp overpriced unwanted impractical ones nor do outdated computers. teachers educate people. |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by Deborahmac09 on Jul 28th, 2010 at 11:11am
No sprint, parents and teachers guide students to educate themselves.
If a student has no interest in learning, it will never matter how good the teacher is, or the tools. |
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Title: Re: Why Change? Post by longweekend58 on Jul 28th, 2010 at 11:22am wrote on Jul 28th, 2010 at 10:44am:
Proving it is not that difficult - providing you have the ability to comprehend it. Therein lies the problem! |
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