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Title: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by athos on Jul 16^th, 2010 at 7:14pm

Hm, It makes you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h58N8q0OQBw&feature=related

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jul 19^th, 2010 at 7:47pm

No, actually it's NOT....it's against the 'Orthodox' Jewish Laws....

And that's all.....

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jul 20^th, 2010 at 6:05pm

What's wrong athos...afraid to respond???

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by athos on Jul 20^th, 2010 at 9:43pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2010 at 6:05pm:

What's wrong athos...afraid to respond???

No I am not afraid, why should I be?
I just want to understand the difference between Orthodox Jewish law and other Jewish laws.
What I’ve seen so far Orthodox Jews look and sound as very kind and decent people.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by cockneydoll on Jul 21^st, 2010 at 3:18pm

Athos, this is not that easy to explain. I hope you can get it.

These Jewish men are Orthodox Jews, but only to their own creed. This is NOT the normal run of the mill Judaism

During the 18th century, a number of extreme Jewish groups, grew in Germany and a couple in Czechoslovakia. These are the nut cases, that seem to be drawing attention to Judaism, for all the wrong reasons

They do follow Orthodox laws, but are extreme and interpret them to their own standards, which are not the normal Jewish laws.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by athos on Jul 21^st, 2010 at 9:31pm

cockneydoll wrote on Jul 21^st, 2010 at 3:18pm:

I appreciate and probably can accept your explanation as long as another party can reply. It means it would be good to hear what they have to say in response to your opinion about them. Without that we can only make a subjective judgment based on one way communication which is not appropriate in this situation..

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by cockneydoll on Jul 21^st, 2010 at 9:57pm

It's not an opinion, it's fact. I am Jewish and I have a couple of these ultra Orthodox Jews in my family, though not as twisted mentally as these nuts.

The nuttiest of these groups the Neturei Karta, the ones that parade around with Mahmoud Ahmadinenjad, were on the verge of being ex-communicated.

Neturei Karta is Aramaic for "Guardians of the City" or "Guardians of the Gates." Others say it's Aramaic for "Nut Kases!"

They are a group of Ultra-Orthodox pseudo-Jewish heretics who reject all forms of Zionism and actively oppose the State of Israel. They have a membership of about 500 .However what they lack in numbers, they make up in enthusiasm and outrageous behavior.

Even though these freaks may act as if they're raving lunatics, they may actually be quite sane for, in both words and actions, this cult-like flock of devotees really do believe they are doing God's work!

The Neturei Karta were originally set up as a splinter breakaway movement in 1938, mainly by fanatical ultra-Orthodox Hungarian Jews. They are best known for marching arm in arm with Arafat and endorsing every anti-Israel terrorist and anti-Semite on the planet.

They also want Israel destroyed and don't care if a Second Holocaust takes place in order to achieve this goal. Israel, they feel, should be wiped off the map for it should never have been re-established by man but, rather, by the Messiah when He finally does come. In more general terms they also hate Israel because so many of her Jews are secularists and some eat pork!

Neturei Karta is driven by intense hatred not only toward secularist Jews but for all orthodox and observant Jews who happen not to share its ideas. It openly calls for Israel to be destroyed and it quite visibly supports the worst genocidal anti-Semites on the planet from Arab terrorists from Fatah head, Yasir Arafat, and Hamas leader, Sheikh Yassin, to, more recently, Iran's worldwide Islamic terror funder and Holocaust denier, Mahmoud Ahmadinenjad.
In total number Neturei Karta may represent merely one-half of one percent of the total ultra-orthodox rabbinical community but they seem to get 99½% of all the attention when enemies of Israel look for "useful idiot" Jews to parade before the media!

In the past few years, members of this extreme messianic movement have increased their involvement in anti-Israeli activities, participating in demonstrations calling for Israel's annihilation. This is precisely why Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, president of the Iranian Republic of Iran who has called for the annihilation of Israel, invited Neturei Karta spokesmen to his December 2006 Holocaust denial conference! It is also why so many anti-Israel, pro-"Palestinian," Holocaust-denying and other openly anti-Semitic internet websites feature, quote or refer to Neturei Karta!

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by athos on Jul 22^nd, 2010 at 1:57pm

cockneydoll wrote on Jul 21^st, 2010 at 9:57pm:

thanks for your explanation without insulting me.
You also sound as a descent man. As I understand Christianity is a continuation of Judaism, which is probably the most obvious in Coptic Orthodox Christian Church.
I can not understand how Arabs could be anti Semite when they are the same (Semitic) race as Jews, in other words I think that term anti Semite is an inappropriately used in many occasions.
If we exclude morality, I have high opinion about intelligence and capability of Jewish people to fit in any society and I think that others should learn that from them.

As far as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is concerned he also has Jewish background and I think he wanted desperately to cover up his Jewishness using loud anti Israel slogans.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/6256173/Mahmoud-Ahmadinejad-revealed-to-have-Jewish-past.html

Ahmadinejad showing papers during election.
It shows that his family's previous name was Jewish

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by athos on Jul 22^nd, 2010 at 2:34pm

Specially for you buddy!

This film is a masterpiece made by well known Jewish film director.
If you haven’t watched before you can watch it now (don’t worry it’s in English).

http://www.56.com/u66/v_NTIzOTAxNTE.html

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by gizmo_2655 on Jul 22^nd, 2010 at 2:56pm

athos wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2010 at 1:57pm:

cockneydoll wrote on Jul 21^st, 2010 at 9:57pm:

Athos...the term 'anti-semitic' was NOT coined in relation to general racial group.....it had a specific meaning, other than Ethnology...

When it was first used, it was specifically used to mean 'jew-hating'...

Sometimes words have different meanings in general usage than they do in specific fields of scientific study...

And sometimes the meanings change.......'gay' used to mean happy and carefree...now it refers to homosexuality.

'Theory' in general usage means a vague speculation, something unproven....
In modern science the term "theory", or "scientific theory" is generally understood to refer to a proposed explanation of empirical phenomena, made in a way consistent with the scientific method.

Words and terms can mean very different things in different contexts..

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by cockneydoll on Jul 22^nd, 2010 at 3:30pm

Athos, I think you have to stop reading the web sites you are reading. Talk about propaganda.

The false informati0on put out about Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a joke.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by freediver on Jul 22^nd, 2010 at 8:16pm

I think you are confusing them with the anti-semitic jews sect.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by athos on Jul 23^rd, 2010 at 10:34am

freediver wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2010 at 8:16pm:

I think you are confusing them with the anti-semitic jews sect.

I agree it’s very confusing.
I can understand that Germans and others can be anti-Semite but how come Arabs who are Semite or even Jews are also anti-Semite.
I agree it’s very confusing.
I can understand that Germans and others can be anti-Semite but how come Arabs who are Semite or even Jews are also anti-Semite.
It does not mean if you are a Semitic race you must be a Jew. It doesn’t even mean if you are a Jew that you automatically belong to Judaism, there are also Christian Jews.
It seams it goes down to personal level, like who ever disagree with you as a Zionist Jew he is an anti-Semite.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by cockneydoll on Jul 23^rd, 2010 at 11:03am

What's not to understand.. if you really want to that is?

Yes Arabs are Semites, but antisemitic does not mean anti-Arab. Thats' pretty clear.

While the term's etymology might suggest that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, the term was coined in the late 19th century in Germany as a more scientific-sounding term for Judenhass ("Jew-hatred"), and that has been its normal use since then

If you cannot understand that.........well !!

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Soren on Jul 23^rd, 2010 at 12:41pm

athos wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2010 at 10:34am:

freediver wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2010 at 8:16pm:

I think you are confusing them with the anti-semitic jews sect.

I agree it’s very confusing.
I can understand that Germans and others can be anti-Semite but how come Arabs who are Semite or even Jews are also anti-Semite.
It looks it goes down to personal level, like who ever disagree with you as a Jew he can be anti-Semite.
I agree it’s very confusing.
I can understand that Germans and others can be anti-Semite but how come Arabs who are Semite or even Jews are also anti-Semite.
It does not mean if you are a Semitic race you must be a Jew. It doesn’t even mean if you are a Jew that you automatically belong to Judaism, there are also Christian Jews.
It seams it goes down to personal level, like who ever disagree with you as a Zionist Jew he is an anti-Semite.

Gizmo has explained it, cockney has explained it - yet you are still stuck with (sticking to) the monomania you had at the very beginning.

Quote:

If you cannot understand that.........well !!

Well... thick doesn't even begin to describe 'im...

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by cockneydoll on Jul 23^rd, 2010 at 1:45pm

Thankyou.

I think he is being antagonistic

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by athos on Jul 23^rd, 2010 at 8:00pm

cockneydoll wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2010 at 11:03am:

Listen cockneydolla I have respect for you, unlike for this moron Soren who is hopelessly useless..
As a result of that let’s communicate on mutual respect level without playing a smart arse.
If you are anti-German it means you are in general against Germans not only against southern or northern Germans (you generally dislike Germans, or generally hate Germans etc). Also the same is with anti-gay, anti-Muslim and so on.
What I want to tell you is that the term anti-Semite is not logical and should be replaced with more appropriate and meaningful word to reflect it’s specific meaning.
The fact is that Arabs and Jews are both Semite or Semitic race.
And than you tell me that Arabs are anti-Semite and orthodox Jews are also anti-Semite.
In other words you are telling me that both Arabs and Orthodox Jews hate themselves because they disagree with Zionist Jews????????.
Comeooooooooooooooooooooon!

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Soren on Jul 23^rd, 2010 at 8:06pm

athos wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2010 at 8:00pm:

cockneydoll wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2010 at 11:03am:

Listen cockneydolla I have respect for you, unlike for this moron Soren.
As a result of that let’s communicate on mutual respect level without playing a smart arse.
If you are anti-German it means you are in general against Germans not only against southern or northern Germans (you generally dislike Germans, or generally hate Germans etc). Also the same is with anti-gay, anti-Muslim and so on.
What I want to tell you is that the term anti-Semite is not logical and should be replaced with more appropriate and meaningful word to reflect it’s specific meaning.
The fact is that Arabs and Jews are both Semite or Semitic race.
And than you tell me that Arabs are anti-Semite and orthodox Jews are also anti-Semite.
In other words you are telling me that both Arabs and Orthodox Jews hate themselves because they disagree with Zionist Jews????????.
Comeooooooooooooooooooooon!

What did I tell ya... thick is not even close.... And I deeply care for the man.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by cockneydoll on Jul 23^rd, 2010 at 10:03pm

Athos.........

You really are wearing my patience thin with your obstinacy to see the reasoning.
Below is the explanation of antisemitism 5 different sources.

While the history of word might suggest that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, the term was coined in the late 19th century in Germany as a more scientific-sounding term for Judenhass ("Jew-hatred"), and that has been its normal use since then

One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced against Jews.

An attitude or policy of hatred and hostility toward Jewish people

1. Hostility toward or prejudice against Jews or Judaism.
2. Discrimination against Jews.
Antisemitism might strictly be used to refer to hatred of or hostility towards any member of the racial group "Semites," but in practice it is only used to refer to hatred of or hostility towards Jews and Judaism. The term was first seen in 1879 in Germany as part of a description of anti-Jewish political campaigns in central Europe. Many attribute the origin of the word to Wilhlem Marr, but it is not clear that he used the word in print before 1880.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by freediver on Jul 23^rd, 2010 at 10:36pm

athos wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2010 at 10:34am:

freediver wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2010 at 8:16pm:

I think you are confusing them with the anti-semitic jews sect.

I agree with your first point, but not your second.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by athos on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 12:18pm

cockneydoll wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2010 at 10:03pm:

Listen cockneydoll I don’t want you to think that I dislike Jewish people or something.
On the contrary I have great respect for their bravery, responsibility and loyalty to their tribal members, intelligence and historical tradition.
I also very appreciate your explanation as a possibly established a convention about the word anti-Semitism.
But my point is that there is obvious possibility of being caught in a trap of illogic by using this term in take for granted manner.
Or if we used the most dominant way of logical thinking called Aristotle's syllogism (two statements one conclusion) than it would be:

1. First statement
Antisemite is someone who hates Jews (adopted convention)

Second statement
2. Orthodox Jews are antisemites ( As you've stated)

Conclusion:
Orthodox Jews hate themselves
????????????????????????????????????
Something is not right.

“Unexamined life is not worth of leaving”
Socrates

PS
Soren I don't want to hear from you and other disrespectful brainy Morons here, because you piss me off with your empty smart arse comments.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by cockneydoll on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 1:10pm

Excuse me......where did I say that othodox Jews are antisemites.?

Why can't you understand and ACCEPT the fact of the accepted term of "antisemitism" has been in use nowsince 1879

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Soren on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 4:26pm

Because he is a thick bugger, only looking for an excuse to say how everything is the Zionist Jews' fault - no, wait, Israel's fault - no, wait, that's tright, the jews' fault.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by hawil on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 5:19pm

The standard of the debate on this subject debases everyone who is prepared to take part, or even read it like myself

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by cockneydoll on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 6:15pm

Looking in the mirror talking to ourself..are we hawil???

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by athos on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 8:59pm

cockneydoll wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 6:15pm:

Looking in the mirror talking to ourself..are we hawil???

Listen mate you are a big disappointment. You act like typical dishonored man. You are proof that ignorance and arrogance are twins that always walk together.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by athos on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 9:04pm

hawil wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 5:19pm:

The standard of the debate on this subject debases everyone who is prepared to take part, or even read it like myself

You fat empty body have right to talk about some standards?
Because of Moronic zombies like you and Soren great Australians like Jeffrey Smart or Robert Hughes had to go to exile.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by cockneydoll on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 9:23pm

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Don't be so damned rude ATHOS

If you bothered to read... the post wasn't addressed to you, unless you have multi IDs

It was addressed to hawil

Now you can apologise, after you have shown yourself up for what you are.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by freediver on Jul 25^th, 2010 at 10:46am

athos wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 9:04pm:

hawil wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 5:19pm:

The standard of the debate on this subject debases everyone who is prepared to take part, or even read it like myself

You fat empty body have right to talk about some standards?
Because of Moronic zombies like you and Soren great Australians like Jeffrey Smart or Robert Hughes had to go to exile.

Who?

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jul 28^th, 2010 at 2:24pm

Orthodox Jews in Israel only number around 500 people, and they certainly do not speak for the Israeli's.
They are extremists, however as far as I know they haven't blown anyone up yet to get their point across.
There has been extremism in many of the worlds religions, and this is an example of one more.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Prevailing on Jul 28^th, 2010 at 3:52pm

Its true many Jews are becoming disenchanted with the Zionist ideology - disenchanted with the whole backs to the wall thing and are simply walking away from Judaism and Zionism altogether.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by cockneydoll on Jul 28^th, 2010 at 5:07pm

Now where do you get that pearl of wisdom from?

You couldn't be furhter for the truth if you tried

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jul 29^th, 2010 at 10:36am

<<< Its true many Jews are becoming disenchanted with the Zionist ideology - disenchanted with the whole backs to the wall thing and are simply walking away from Judaism and Zionism altogether. >>>

Prevailing - They might be true of some of the foreign Jewish people, or the wacko Orthodox extremists in Israel, but certainly not the other 99.9% living in Israel today.
Maybe they are disenchanted with the backs to the wall thing, but it's not as if they can stop the terrorists from attacking unless they kill them.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Prevailing on Jul 30^th, 2010 at 3:18pm

Jewish people are rejecting racism and embracing the pluralistic values of the modern world - diversity and multiculturalism, thats why they are walking away from Zionism which affords them no security or peace.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by athos on Aug 2^nd, 2010 at 9:06am

Prevailing wrote on Jul 30^th, 2010 at 3:18pm:

So well said.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by cockneydoll on Aug 2^nd, 2010 at 10:40am

What rubbish you two speak.

Do you even know what Zionism is ?

Zionism is the Jewish national movement of rebirth and renewal in the land of Israel - the historical birthplace of the Jewish people. The yearning to return to Zion, the biblical term for both the Land of Israel and Jerusalem, has been the cornerstone of Jewish religious life since the Jewish exile from the land two thousand years ago, and is embedded in Jewish prayer, ritual, literature and culture.

Modern Zionism emerged in the late 19th century in response to the violent persecution of Jews in Eastern Europe, anti-Semitism in Western Europe. Modern Zionism fused the ancient Jewish biblical and historical ties to the ancestral homeland with the modern concept of nationalism into a vision of establishing a modern Jewish state in the land of Israel.

The "father" of modern Zionism, Austrian journalist Theodor Herzl, consolidated various strands of Zionist thought into an organized political movement, advocating for international recognition of a "Jewish state" and encouraging Jewish immigration to build the land.

Today, decades after the actual founding of a Jewish state, Zionism continues to be the guiding nationalist movement of the majority of Jews around the world who believe in, support and identify with the State of Israel. Zionism, the national aspiration of the Jewish people to a homeland, is to the Jewish people what the liberation movements of Africa and Asia have been to their peoples.

History has demonstrated the need to ensure Jewish security through such a homeland. The re-establishment of Jewish independence in Israel, after centuries of struggle to overcome foreign conquest and exile, is a vindication of the fundamental concepts of the equality of nations and of self-determination. To question the Jewish people's right to national existence and freedom is not only to deny to the Jewish people the right accorded to every other people on this globe, but it is also to deny the central precepts of the United Nations.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Sappho on Aug 2^nd, 2010 at 12:47pm

cockneydoll wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2010 at 10:40am:

Zionism is the Jewish national movement of rebirth and renewal in the land of Israel - the historical birthplace of the Jewish people.

It is not the birthplace of the Jewish people, rather, Abraham and his history represent the birthplace of the Jewish people and that birthplace could quite possibly be Ur, given that God spoke about bringing Abraham out of Ur.

Israel is the promised land.

There is a big difference between a birthplace and a land promised by God.

I won't dispute anything else, because it does not serve my purpose which is to seek your opinion of what is happening to Israel now in terms of the increasing numbers and so influence of the ultra and ultra-ultra Jews... including their representations in the Knesset, virtual gated communities, influence on secular and less extreme Jews in Israel and how you see the future of Israel with these considerations in mind.

Cheers.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Aug 3^rd, 2010 at 7:14am

Prevailing wrote on Jul 30^th, 2010 at 3:18pm:

The State of Israel has provided far more security than the rest of the world ever did for Jewish people before 1948.
The genie is out of the bottle, and it's not going back in.
And as far as multiculturalism and diverisity is concerned, look at the hopeless security situation in European countries today that never existed before.
If mulitculturalism and diversity are values, they are certainly poor ones.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by athos on Aug 3^rd, 2010 at 2:25pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2010 at 7:14am:

Prevailing wrote on Jul 30^th, 2010 at 3:18pm:

[quote author=chicken_lipsforme link=1279271670/30#37 date=1280783647][quote author=tirelesscampaigner link=1279271670/30#33 date=1280467106]
And as far as multiculturalism and diverisity is concerned, look at the hopeless security situation in European countries today that never existed before.

So true.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Prevailing on Aug 3^rd, 2010 at 6:58pm

athos wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2010 at 2:25pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2010 at 7:14am:

[quote author=tirelesscampaigner link=1279271670/30#33 date=1280467106]Jewish people are rejecting racism and embracing the pluralistic values of the modern world - diversity and multiculturalism, thats why they are walking away from Zionism which affords them no security or peace.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by cockneydoll on Aug 3^rd, 2010 at 7:11pm

Prevailing we do not tolerate antisemitism and racism on these boards.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Prevailing on Aug 3^rd, 2010 at 7:28pm

Cockneydoll your comments on my legitimate opinion and freedom to criticize Israel in Australia amount to communist psychological violence and racism against me as an Australian which I will not tolerate. Please stop trolling my comments and stalking me with these offensive remarks. You are clearly an activist with an agenda to gag criticism of your group.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by White Dove on Aug 3^rd, 2010 at 7:30pm

cockneydoll wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2010 at 7:11pm:

Prevailing we do not tolerate antisemitism and racism on these boards.

I tolerate ALL people as being able to state what they think in a democratic society without others condemning them for being "racist" or the other thing "anti-jewish".

So .. who are you to think that "we" agree with you?

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Soren on Aug 3^rd, 2010 at 10:22pm

Prevailing wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2010 at 6:58pm:

This is stupid puffery. My view is, let the stupidity come out in the open, there's no point of ruling it out of court. If you have a bee in your bonnet about the ebil jooo, let's hear it.

The jews are not trying to impose communism on anyone. The last communist countries are North Korea, Cuba and China. Not exactly Zionist hotbeds. The Australian party closest to communist social policy ideas is the Greens. Is Bob Brown a Mossad agent? Is the green movement a jewish invention, cleverly deployed when they saw communism going down the gurgler?

I didn't know there were Isaeli banks and bankers in Oz. Let me know which ones you have in mind and want to get rid of.

As for military and financial support for Israel - the US aid to Israel ($2.4 Billion) amounts to just a bit over 1% of Israel's GDP ($2.2 Billion in 2008). That's not what I call being propped up by West financially or militarily. Israel is among the top 10 defence exporter. Its top customets? The US, India, Britain and er... Turkey. Russia is also significant.

Zionism as 'racism' - how do you feel about calling on Aborigines to abandon their corrosive, divive, racist insistence on being 'Aboriginal'? At least you can convert to Judaism. You can't convert to Aboriginality. Boooo.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Prevailing on Aug 3^rd, 2010 at 11:27pm

Soren don't go asking me to justify being Australian or White, it just is, live with it and you will sleep better. i don't owe you communists anything.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Prevailing on Aug 3^rd, 2010 at 11:31pm

soren
"Zionism as 'racism' - how do you feel about calling on Aborigines to abandon their corrosive, divive, racist insistence on being 'Aboriginal'? At least you can convert to Judaism. You can't convert to Aboriginality. Boooo."

I can convert to Judaism but I can never become a Jew because I am White and a Jew can never become White because he is a Jew. He is not White, he did not spring from us but from the Arab and Africa. please stop trying to deny the White race.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Anton on Aug 3^rd, 2010 at 11:36pm

Prevailing wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2010 at 11:31pm:

I think you need to get some serious help old chap

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Anton on Aug 3^rd, 2010 at 11:41pm

White Dove wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2010 at 7:30pm:

[quote author=shirlou link=1279271670/30#40 date=1280826703]Prevailing we do not tolerate antisemitism and racism on these boards.

I tolerate ALL people as being able to state what they think in a democratic society without others condemning them for being "racist" or the other thing "anti-jewish".

White Dove..I am presuming you are an Australian

If you are, then you should know what the Constitution of your country is and the laws we have here in regards to Cyber Racism.

We do not have freedom of speech, only freedom of expression. You can't say what you want and to whom you want, there are laws in place that govern that.

I would suggest that you take a look at the web site of The Australian Human Rights Commission, in regards to not only Cyber Racism, but racism in general, antisemitism comes under the banner of racism.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Soren on Aug 3^rd, 2010 at 11:48pm

Prevailing wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2010 at 11:31pm:

a Jew can never become White because he is a Jew. He is not White, he did not spring from us but from the Arab and Africa. please stop trying to deny the White race.

Yeah, I know, isn't it dreadful. Look at this one. She may have a Danish father and pretend to be white but, hey, you can see through that, she is clearly a non-white person. Her mother is Jewish. She is Jewish.

But you are whiter than her, I bet.... They have to get up earlier to fool you, eh?

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Soren on Aug 3^rd, 2010 at 11:49pm

Soren wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2010 at 11:48pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2010 at 11:31pm:

a Jew can never become White because he is a Jew. He is not White, he did not spring from us but from the Arab and Africa. please stop trying to deny the White race.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 7:16am

The problem is Israel and the Jews could not make a go of it and they are attempting to impose their Communist vision upon the whole workld, to destroy other peoples and cultures that their own might prevail and rule.

Many Jews are awakening to this and are joining the mass movement away from Judaism and Zionism. I don't blame them, but the West can no longer support financially or militarily this state nor allow its Bankers to do business in our country.

I agree with their reasons for abandoning Zionism as racist. :)[/quote]

As I stated, the genie is out of the bottle, and it's not going back in.
Israel has packed more history in it's short 62 years than most nations have done in 600 years.
Israel was attacked the day after it was formed by Muslim armies bent on it's destruction and they have tried many times since, yet Israel remains and the enemy armies still lay under the sand dunes.
Israel has done much more than 'making a go of it'.
That countries economy remains the envy and is the best of all Middle Eastern nations, so well in fact that many of her former enemies trade with Israel.
Israel's GDP is around $300 billion with US aid to Israel at under $3 billion.
Israel does not need the west's aid to survive, and the US and Europe has a vested interest in assisting the sole Middle Eastern democracy.
Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East, and you stating they are communist has no basis of fact whatsoever.
Israel's government has held regular elections for six decades, and has had a peaceful transition of power each and every time.
Israel remains on the frontline of the war against terror as it has done so for so long, and if Israel wasn't there to take the missile strikes, many European leaders would not sleep so well at night.
And if terrorism is a culture, then Israel has every right to destroy it where they find it.
More missiles landed in Sderot the other day, and the Israel's have a right to self defence.
Because if they don't, it may fall to our children to do so one day.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by athos on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 11:13am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 7:16am:

So true and well said
It's so refreshing that finally wise people with intellectual pedigree are coming and speaking on this forum.

May be Moron Soren should learn something from them instead to constantly ramble his racist Zionist slogans around, like this one:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1280840584

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Soren on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 11:28am

athos wrote on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 11:13am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 7:16am:

As I stated, the genie is out of the bottle, and it's not going back in.
Israel has packed more history in it's short 62 years than most nations have done in 600 years.
Israel was attacked the day after it was formed by Muslim armies bent on it's destruction and they have tried many times since, yet Israel remains and the enemy armies still lay under the sand dunes.
Israel has done much more than 'making a go of it'.
That countries economy remains the envy and is the best of all Middle Eastern nations, so well in fact that many of her former enemies trade with Israel.
Israel's GDP is around $300 billion with US aid to Israel at under $3 billion.
Israel does not need the west's aid to survive, and the US and Europe has a vested interest in assisting the sole Middle Eastern democracy.
Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East, and you stating they are communist has no basis of fact whatsoever.
Israel's government has held regular elections for six decades, and has had a peaceful transition of power each and every time.
Israel remains on the frontline of the war against terror as it has done so for so long, and if Israel wasn't there to take the missile strikes, many European leaders would not sleep so well at night.
And if terrorism is a culture, then Israel has every right to destroy it where they find it.
More missiles landed in Sderot the other day, and the Israel's have a right to self defence.
Because if they don't, it may fall to our children to do so one day.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Sappho on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 12:09pm

Sappho wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2010 at 12:47pm:

cockneydoll wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2010 at 10:40am:

Zionism is the Jewish national movement of rebirth and renewal in the land of Israel - the historical birthplace of the Jewish people.

Bump for the doll.

You speak of history and I ask about the here and now. Do you have any opinions on the increasing influence in Israel of the ultra jews?

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 12:21pm

Sappho wrote on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 12:09pm:

Sappho wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2010 at 12:47pm:

cockneydoll wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2010 at 10:40am:

Zionism is the Jewish national movement of rebirth and renewal in the land of Israel - the historical birthplace of the Jewish people.

Bump for the doll.

You speak of history and I ask about the here and now. Do you have any opinions on the increasing influence in Israel of the ultra jews?

Influence?
You could fill a bingo hall with the nutters.
There is only a reported 500 of them in Israel out of a total population of 7.5 million people.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by athos on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 12:46pm

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Soren on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 1:59pm

athos wrote on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 12:46pm:

Thank you for fixing up your post, Porthos. For a moment I thought you'd grown a mind, as you appeared to endorse chicken's excellent summary.

I quoted your post as it appeared, you sneaky Russian bugger. You just went and changed it.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Sappho on Aug 5^th, 2010 at 11:32am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 12:21pm:

Sappho wrote on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 12:09pm:

Sappho wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2010 at 12:47pm:

cockneydoll wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2010 at 10:40am:

Zionism is the Jewish national movement of rebirth and renewal in the land of Israel - the historical birthplace of the Jewish people.

Bump for the doll.

You speak of history and I ask about the here and now. Do you have any opinions on the increasing influence in Israel of the ultra jews?

Influence?
You could fill a bingo hall with the nutters.
There is only a reported 500 of them in Israel out of a total population of 7.5 million people.

If it has been reported that there are only 500 ultra and ultra-ultra jews, then you won't mind linking that report. ::)

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by cockneydoll on Aug 5^th, 2010 at 6:16pm

Athos you are just one stirrer..mate

The people to which chicken is referring are the Neturei Karta, who are complete nut cases and have developed there own "brand" of Judaism.

There are thousands that are ultra orthodox, but none hold radical ideas like the Neturei Karta, who in many ways don't even resemble Judaism

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by athos on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 3:14pm

cockneydoll wrote on Aug 5^th, 2010 at 6:16pm:

Does it mean that Zionism is only right Judaism?

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by gizmo_2655 on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 3:31pm

athos wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 3:14pm:

cockneydoll wrote on Aug 5^th, 2010 at 6:16pm:

Does it mean that Zionism is only right Judaism?

Zionism isn't even Judaism.....

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Soren on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 4:06pm

athos wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 3:14pm:

cockneydoll wrote on Aug 5^th, 2010 at 6:16pm:

Does it mean that Zionism is only right Judaism?

See?? Even you don't quite know what you are talking about.

(Don't be afraid of the definite article, you Russian friend of the joooooz, you. It should be ...Zionism is the only...)

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by gizmo_2655 on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 5:18pm

Soren wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 4:06pm:

athos wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 3:14pm:

cockneydoll wrote on Aug 5^th, 2010 at 6:16pm:

Does it mean that Zionism is only right Judaism?

See?? Even you don't quite know what you are talking about.

(Don't be afraid of the definite article, you Russian friend of the joooooz, you. It should be ...Zionism is the only...)

Zionism is a political concept, and Judaism is a religious concept...

Chalk and cheese...

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 6:46pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVBntNJIDko&playnext=1&videos=78LKBZOMot8&feature=rec-real_rn-1f-40-HM

zionism exposed*

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Soren on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 7:43pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 6:46pm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVBntNJIDko&playnext=1&videos=78LKBZOMot8&feature=rec-real_rn-1f-40-HM

zionism exposed*

it_is_my_arse

If you or the maker of that video belived any of that sh!t, you'd have run for the hills a long time ago.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 7:47pm

i see you choose to deny facts soren.

ignorance may be your strongpoint,

the facts remain.

care to disprove the facts of the talmud?

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Soren on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 7:52pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 7:47pm:

i see you choose to deny facts soren.

ignorance may be your strongpoint,

the facts remain.

care to disprove the facts of the talmud?

Yeah, I do. Which one do you want to start with?
Or do you want me to make a video??

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 7:57pm

lets begin shall we?

1. "The teachings of the Talmud stand above all other laws. They are more important than the laws of Moses."- Rabbi Ismael, Rabbi Chambar, et. al.

2. "The decisions of the Talmud are the words of the living God. Jehovah Himself asks the opinion of the earthly rabbis when there are difficult affairs in heaven." - Rabbi Menachem Commentary on Fifth Book.

3. "Jehovah Himself studies the Talmud standing, he has such respect for that book."-Tract Mechilla.

4. "It is more wicked to question the words of the rabbis than that of the Torah."- Michna Sanhedryn 11:3.

5. "It is forbidden to disclose the secrets of the law. He who would do it would be as guilty as though he destroyed the whole world." - Jektut Chadasz, 171, 3.

6. "It is forbidden to disclose the secrets of the law. He who would do it would be as guilty as though he destroyed the whole world." - Jektut Chadasz, 171, 3.

7. "Every goy who studies the Talmud and every Jew who who helps him in it, ought to die." - Sanhedryn, 59a, Aboda Zora 8-6, Szagiga

8. "To communicate anything to a goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if they knew what we teach about them they would kill us openly." - Libbre David 37.

9. "If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death." Libbre David 37.

10. "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."-Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17.

11. "The Jews are human beings , but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."-Baba Mecia 114, 6 [i.e.: 114b].

12. "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and commanded to serve the Jew day and night." - Midrasch Talpioth, p225-L.

13. As soon as the King Messiah will declare himself, He will destroy Rome and make a wilderness of it. Thorns and weeds will grow in the Pope's palace.
Then He will start a merciless war on non-Jews and will overpower them. He will slay them in masses, kill their kings and lay waste the whole Roman land. He will say to the Jews:'I am the King Messiah for whom you have been waiting. Take the Silver and Gold from the Goyim.'" - Josiah 60, 6 Rabbi Abarbanel to Daniel 7, 13.

14. "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."- Aboda Sarah 37a.

15. "A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat." - Hadarine, 20, B; Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348.

16. "A Jew may misuse the non-Jewess in her state of unbelief." - Maimonides, Jak. Chasaka 2:2.

17. "Thou shalt not do injury to thy neighbor (Bible), but it is not said,'Thou shalt not do injury to a goy.' " - Mishna Sanhedryn 57.

18. "When you go to war do not go as the first, but as the last, so that you may return as the first. Five things has Kanaan recommended to his sons:'Love each other, love the robbery, hate your masters and never tell the truth.' " - Pesachim F. 113B

19. "A Jew is permitted to rape, cheat and perjure himself; but he must take care that he is not found out, so that Israel may not suffer." - Schulchan Aruch, Jore Dia.

20. "A Jew may rob a goy-that is, he may cheat him in a bill, if unlikely to be perceived by him." - Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348.

21. "If a goy (non-jew) wants a Jew to stand witness against a Jew in a court of law, and if the Jew could give fair evidence, he is forbidden to do it; but if a Jew wants a Jew to be a witness in a similar case against a goy, he may do it." - Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 28, Art. 3 and 4

22. "Those who do not confess the Torah and the Prophets must be killed. Who has the power to kill them, let them kill them openly with the sword. If not, let them use artifices, till they are done away with." - Schulchan Aruch. Choszen Hamiszapt 425.5.

23. "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples. An orthodox Jew is not bound to observe principles of morality towards people of other tribes. He may act contrary to morality, if profitable to himself or to Jews in general." - Schulchan Aruch. Choszen Hamiszpat 348.

24. "Should a Jew inform the goyish authorities that another Jew has much money, and the other will suffer a loss through it, he must give him remuneration." - Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388.

25. "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or a Jew. But a Jew is not forbidden to do all this to a goy."- Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5.

26. "On the house of the goy (non-jew) one looks as on the fold of cattle." - Tosefta, Erubin VII, 1.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 7:59pm

27. "All vows, oaths, promises, engagements, and swearing, which, beginning this very day or reconciliation till the next day of reconciliation, we intend to vow, promise, swear, and bind ourselves to fulfill, we repent beforehand; let them be illegalized, acquitted, annihilated, abolished, valueless, unimportant. Our vows shall be no vows, and our oaths no oaths at all." - Schulchan Aruch, Edit. I, 136.(The Jewish Kol Nidre ["All Vows"] Oath has been set to a morbid Jewish music, and is often heard on the radio.
It is sung as a chant at each Yom Kippur [Jewish New Year] service [September17].)

28. "Everything a Jew needs for his church ritual no goy (gentile DSM) is permitted to manufacture, but only a Jew, because this must be manufactured by human beings and the Jew is not permitted to consider the goyim as human beings." - Schulchan Aruch, Orach Chaim 14, 20, 32, 33, 39. Talmud Jebomoth 61.

29. "A Jewish mid-wife is not only permitted but she is compelled to help a Jewish mother on Saturday (Jewish Sabbath) and when so doing to do anything which otherwise would desecrate the Saturday. But it is forbidden to help a non-Jewish woman even if it should be possible to help her without desecrating the Saturday, because she is to be considered only as an animal."- Schulchan Aruch, Orach Chaim 330.

30. "At the time of the Cholhamoed the transaction of any kind of business is forbidden. But it is permitted to cheat a goy, because cheating of goyim at any time pleases the Lord."- Chulchan Aruch, Orach Chaim 539.

31. "The Jews are strictly forbidden to cheat their brothers and it is considered cheating already if one-sixth of the value has been taken away from him. Whoever has cheated his brother has to return it to him. Naturally all that only holds the Jew, to cheat a goy he is permitted and he is not permitted to return to him what he cheated him out of. Because the Bible says:'Thou shalt not cheat thy next brother,' but the non-Jews are not our brethren, but as mentioned above, worse than dogs." - Aruch Choszen Hamiszpat 227.

32. "We beg Thee, O Lord, inflict Thy wrath on the nations not believing in Thee. Take away, O Lord all hope from them. Destroy all foes of Thy nation."--Synagoga Judaica, p. 212. Minhagen, p. 23. Crach Chaim, 480 Hagah

33. Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.

34. Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

35. Jews May Lie to Non-Jews Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

36. Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human Yebamoth 98a. All Gentile children are animals.

37. Abodah Zarah 36b . Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.

38. Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.

39. Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

40. Jews May Lie to Non-Jews Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

41. Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human Yebamoth 98a. All Gentile children are animals.

42. Abodah Zarah 36b . Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.

43. Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

44. Non-Jews are Not Human Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human ("Only ye are designated men").

45. Jews are Divine Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.

46. O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

47. Jews Have Superior Legal Status Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

48. Jews May Steal from Non-Jews Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned.(Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).

49. Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.

50. "Rabbi Joseph said,'Come and hear. A maiden aged 3 years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition.'

51. Mishnah: A girl of the age of 3 years and a day may be betrothed, subject to her father's approval, by sexual intercourse.

52. Gemara: Our Rabbis taught:'A girl of the age of 3 years may be betrothed by sexual intercourse.' "

53. "The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor the the dog more than the non-Jew." Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30

54. "A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal." Coschen hamischpat 405

55. "The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs." Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b

56. "Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human." Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b

57. "If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog." Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b

58. "If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not express sympathy to the Jew. You should tell the Jew: "God will replace 'your loss', just as if one of his oxen or asses had died"." Jore dea 377, 1

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 7:59pm

59. "Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between animals." Talmud Sanhedrin 74b

60. "It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile." Sepher ikkarim III c 25

61. "It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah." Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5

62. "A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands." Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b

63. "Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God." Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772

___________

the facts speak for themselves..

namaste

i regard all as sacred beings

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Soren on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 8:56pm

Why don't you just post the link from which you have copied all these 'quotes'?

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by gizmo_2655 on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 9:27pm

Soren wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 8:56pm:

Why don't you just post the link from which you have copied all these 'quotes'?

Because he KNOWS that all those quotes were originally posted on the 'Knights of the Ku Klux Klan' site, and repeated on 'Stormfront' and other similar sites like Infowars and PrisonPlanet.....

He's just too embrassed to admit it....

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 6:41am

again gizmo is incorrect.

i am not k k k i am dark skinned.

it is not on prison planet or infowars.

again gizmo has been caught bullshitting.

this dear one is forgiven unconditionally for yes

i LOVE him.

as i LOVE all humanity regardless for they are forgiven unconditionally

and LOVED beyond measure

namaste

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 6:43am

Why don't you just post the link from which you have copied all these 'quotes'?

___________

the reason i do not quote the source is the reason the site

is still up today providing vital information regarding the

satanic talmud.

namaste

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 6:44am

satan and his dark cabal of cohorts have no purchase within me.

i do not comfort fear

only LIGHT*

so be it

namaste

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by freediver on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 8:08am

So basically it is all made up?

Don't you think it is kind of ironic that you accuse the Jews of such trickery but can't reveal your own source?

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Imperium on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 8:18am

Why even bother addressing him? He's either a schizophrenic or a troll.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 8:25am

i appear before you dear ones with more to discuss,

and to validate reality..oh yes

these are the facts you may like to debate.

for whence one does not address said facts,yet further choose

to attack the messenger,therein lies the motive.

you dear reader would be well served and advised to look at the

facts and not so much the attacks of those with alterior motives.

i do not attack another for that does not serve me.

i observe,i do not judge for all will make their own path

and collect true and factual understanding of the provided facts.

it is not upon me to convince you of any thing,and i just validate

reality for you dear ones.

if you choose to attack me,so be it..

you are forgiven by me unconditionally and are greeted

with abundant LOVE and LIGHT which does BURST forth from my

HEART to yours at this very moment

namaste

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by cockneydoll on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 8:25am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 9:27pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 8:56pm:

Why don't you just post the link from which you have copied all these 'quotes'?

Gizmo_2655 gave you his source

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 8:48am

freediver (magnificent fish!)

"So basically it is all made up?"

by saying this proves you do not know the subject matter

can you show me where i accuse jews of trickery?

this is their own doctrin and dogma.

so you are incorrect on both counts.

then another id comes in and says ignore me...so be it

if you wish to ignore facts,i can assure you dear one,

that it does have no bareing on reality.

read the talmud if you do not believe me..or do not bother

to post on fact and continue to attack me for distributing

said fact upon you

namaste

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by gizmo_2655 on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 8:53am

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 8:48am:

Ok wharfy, here and now, I'll bet YOU $200.00 that tomorrow, you cannot go to a reputable bookstore( Angus & Robertson, Bookcity etc) and buy a copy of the Talmud(in any language you like, including english) and find ANY of those passages.....

Are you game?

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 8:57am

you cannot go to a reputable bookstore( Angus & Robertson, Bookcity etc)

_________

these may be reputable to you,dear one..however

do you think you would find any factual book in these

'shops' that are in the vatican library?

these are facts but you would not find these in your

propaganda shop.

am i game?

no,i am a LIGHTBEING of the UNIVERSE

namaste brother

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by gizmo_2655 on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 8:59am

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 8:57am:

Thought so....
Translation "Yes I it_is_the_light do admit that these quotes only exist on the internet because they're made up"

Thanks for the admission wharfy....

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 9:01am

Thought so....
Translation "Yes I it_is_the_light do admit that these quotes only exist on the internet because they're made up"

Thanks for the admission wharfy....

__________

gizmo,

i will tell you brother being that your creative language and

assumptions have no bareing on true reality..only yours.

so be it.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by freediver on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 9:03am

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 8:48am:

I am not claiming to be an expert on this. I am just giving you a chance to convince me with something a bit simpler than expecting me to read the whole book. Take it or leave it. Just don't blame anyone but yourself if no-one takes you seriously.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 9:08am

I am just giving you a chance to convince me

__________

i am not here to convince you of a thing brother.

i only validate reality yes,

and treat all as sacred and divine..with grace

namaste

i must also say that i admire gizmo for his persistence

in the face of adversity and facts which are contrary

to his belief system

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 9:10am

Just don't blame anyone but yourself if no-one takes you seriously.

_____________

haha,

i do not blame any other for anything that may occur in my 'life'

here in 3rd dimension/density..all is in accordance with the

divine plan yes...i am a master of this 3rd dimension

are you comforted?

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 9:20am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHDShO_1qo8&playnext=1&videos=ezqsl6mXvIU&feature=rec-exp_stronger_r2-2f-44-HM

_______

this may assist you in understanding

where i am comming from

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by freediver on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 9:23am

Sorry I don't normally do videos.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by athos on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 1:48pm

Soren wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 4:06pm:

athos wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 3:14pm:

cockneydoll wrote on Aug 5^th, 2010 at 6:16pm:

Does it mean that Zionism is only right Judaism?

See?? Even you don't quite know what you are talking about.

(Don't be afraid of the definite article, you Russian friend of the joooooz, you. It should be ...Zionism is the only...)

As I quoted you before:

“Ignorance and arrogance are twins they like to walk together”
Lao Tzu

Only in your case we don’t know if you are arrogant because you are ignorant or ignorant because you were born arrogant.
So don’t be arrogant because it can harm you and secondly this my question has nothing to do with Russians.

In line with this topic I can modify and repeate my question in different form:

Does it mean that Zionism is more important and older than Judaism?

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by gizmo_2655 on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 1:50pm

athos wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 1:48pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 4:06pm:

athos wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 3:14pm:

cockneydoll wrote on Aug 5^th, 2010 at 6:16pm:

Does it mean that Zionism is only right Judaism?

See?? Even you don't quite know what you are talking about.

(Don't be afraid of the definite article, you Russian friend of the joooooz, you. It should be ...Zionism is the only...)

NO athos, Zionism is much much newer than Judaism....
Judaism is 3500+years old and Zionism dates from 1897.....

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by athos on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 1:58pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 1:50pm:

athos wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 1:48pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 4:06pm:

athos wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 3:14pm:

cockneydoll wrote on Aug 5^th, 2010 at 6:16pm:

Does it mean that Zionism is only right Judaism?

See?? Even you don't quite know what you are talking about.

(Don't be afraid of the definite article, you Russian friend of the joooooz, you. It should be ...Zionism is the only...)

NO athos, Zionism is much much newer than Judaism....
Judaism is 3500+years old and Zionism dates from 1897.....

So traditional law of Judaism is more important than Zionism. Right?

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 1:59pm

so gizmo,

you liken this arguement to islam and extremist islam?

to taliban which was invented by the US?

also alqaeda which was invented by the US and MOSSAD?

as mossad has invented the current palestinian authority

to overthrow the PLO?

oh yes dear ones we see the same ole same ole

divide bind and rule,the satanic principle..further

problem reaction soloution.

9/11 was an inside job.

namaste

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by gizmo_2655 on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 2:15pm

athos wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 1:58pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 1:50pm:

athos wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 1:48pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 4:06pm:

athos wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 3:14pm:

cockneydoll wrote on Aug 5^th, 2010 at 6:16pm:

Does it mean that Zionism is only right Judaism?

See?? Even you don't quite know what you are talking about.

(Don't be afraid of the definite article, you Russian friend of the joooooz, you. It should be ...Zionism is the only...)

NO athos, Zionism is much much newer than Judaism....
Judaism is 3500+years old and Zionism dates from 1897.....

So traditional law of Judaism is more important than Zionism. Right?

I don't know...Is Conservative politics more important that Christianity???

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by gizmo_2655 on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 2:16pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 1:59pm:

No wharfy, Islam is a religion, Zionism is NOT....

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by gizmo_2655 on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 2:39pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 2:16pm:

[quote author=it_is_the_light link=1279271670/90#92 date=1281239987]so gizmo,

you liken this arguement to islam and extremist islam?

to taliban which was invented by the US?

also alqaeda which was invented by the US and MOSSAD?

as mossad has invented the current palestinian authority

to overthrow the PLO?

oh yes dear ones we see the same ole same ole

divide bind and rule,the satanic principle..further

problem reaction soloution.

9/11 was an inside job.

namaste

Wharfy you do know, don't you, that the Palestinian Authority IS the PLO????

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 2:44pm

it seems you would wish to dissect the arguement secularly

islam - taliban and alquaeda

judaism - zionism

religion and fundamentalism

i know the difference

yet you apply smoke on the field of debate.

your tricks are transperent and flacid

you are forgiven for your disinformationalistical red herrings

i have seen you on yahoo do the same to nil effect

these people here will soon wise up to you

with grace

namaste

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 2:47pm

Wharfy you do know, don't you, that the Palestinian Authority IS the PLO????

____________

hamas is the current palestinian authority

the PLO (palestinian liberation authority)

is the vanquished by the mossad

you do know that dont you?

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 2:50pm

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html

again just for you gizmo

Hamas is a Creation of Mossad

by Hassane Zerouky

Global Outlook, No 2, Summer 2002
www.globalresearch.ca 23 March 2004
The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html

Thanks to the Mossad, Israel's "Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks", the Hamas was allowed to reinforce its presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, Arafat's Fatah Movement for National Liberation as well as the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression and intimidation

Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, "Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)".

Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the Islamist movement in Palestine, returning from Cairo in the seventies, established an Islamic charity association. Prime Minister Golda Meir, saw this as a an opportunity to counterbalance the rise of Arafat’s Fatah movement. .According to the Israeli weekly Koteret Rashit (October 1987), "The Islamic associations as well as the university had been supported and encouraged by the Israeli military authority" in charge of the (civilian) administration of the West Bank and Gaza. "They [the Islamic associations and the university] were authorized to receive money payments from abroad."

The Islamists set up orphanages and health clinics, as well as a network of schools, workshops which created employment for women as well as system of financial aid to the poor. And in 1978, they created an "Islamic University" in Gaza. "The military authority was convinced that these activities would weaken both the PLO and the leftist organizations in Gaza." At the end of 1992, there were six hundred mosques in Gaza. Thanks to Israel’s intelligence agency Mossad (Israel’s Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks) , the Islamists were allowed to reinforce their presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, the members of Fatah (Movement for the National Liberation of Palestine) and the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression.

In 1984, Ahmed Yassin was arrested and condemned to twelve years in prison, after the discovery of a hidden arms cache. But one year later, he was set free and resumed his activities. And when the Intifada (‘uprising’) began, in October 1987, which took the Islamists by surprise, Sheik Yassin responded by creating the Hamas (The Islamic Resistance Movement): "God is our beginning, the prophet our model, the Koran our constitution", proclaims article 7 of the charter of the organization.

Ahmed Yassin was in prison when, the Oslo accords (Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government) were signed in September 1993. The Hamas had rejected Oslo outright. But at that time, 70% of Palestinians had condemned the attacks on Israeli civilians. Yassin did everything in his power to undermine the Oslo accords. Even prior to Prime Minister Rabin’s death, he had the support of the Israeli government. The latter was very reluctant to implement the peace agreement.

The Hamas then launched a carefully timed campaign of attacks against civilians, one day before the meeting between Palestinian and Israeli negotiators, regarding the formal recognition of Israel by the National Palestinian Council. These events were largely instrumental in the formation of a Right wing Israeli government following the May 1996 elections.

read on........

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by gizmo_2655 on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 2:51pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 2:47pm:

hamas is the current palestinian authority

the PLO is the vanquished by the mossad

you do know that dont you?

Hamas, Fatah and the various other groups like the PFLP,DFLP,PLF etc...ALL make up the PLO......

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 2:53pm

at this point you would be well advised to stand down

lest ye be made a goose here as well as yahoo...

you may create your reality at will,

check*

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by gizmo_2655 on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 2:56pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 2:53pm:

at this point you would be well advised to stand down

lest ye be made a goose here as well as yahoo...

you may create your reality at will,

check*

Checkmate....You STILL haven't ever won an arguement with me wharfy...

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 2:58pm

haha;)

i think we both know the truth...

namaste:D

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by gizmo_2655 on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 3:18pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 2:58pm:

haha;)

i think we both know the truth...

namaste:D

Yes we do both know the truth...the ONLY person who thinks you've one...is YOU...

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 5:52pm

what have you 'won' gizmo?

if you derive winning from a constant lack of arguement winning

then you win,

enjoy

namaste

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by it_is_the_light on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 5:52pm

why not debunk the facts i have presented?

do you deny these things?

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by gizmo_2655 on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 6:46pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 5:52pm:

why not debunk the facts i have presented?

do you deny these things?

Because the'facts you have presented' are absolute bullshit..

And YES I deny all these things....

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Aug 9^th, 2010 at 2:17pm

athos wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 1:58pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 1:50pm:

athos wrote on Aug 8^th, 2010 at 1:48pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 4:06pm:

athos wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 3:14pm:

cockneydoll wrote on Aug 5^th, 2010 at 6:16pm:

Does it mean that Zionism is only right Judaism?

See?? Even you don't quite know what you are talking about.

(Don't be afraid of the definite article, you Russian friend of the joooooz, you. It should be ...Zionism is the only...)

NO athos, Zionism is much much newer than Judaism....
Judaism is 3500+years old and Zionism dates from 1897.....

So traditional law of Judaism is more important than Zionism. Right?

I doubt it, the rule of law is defined by individual nations today, not by religion unless you are referring to extremism which has affected some religions today.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Soren on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 10:04am

There is something almost flattering about anti-Jewish racism. To have been confined in the ghetto for so long, and then to be held responsible for Marx, Freud, and Einstein, to say nothing of Rothschild. Yet the outcome is always the same: to be treated as human refuse and to be either deported or massacred. Jean-Paul Sartre's essay profiling the anti-Semite has many shortcomings, but it's hard to argue with his conclusion that such a person must necessarily carry a thirst for murder in his heart. Yet this is perhaps true of other racists as well. What strikes the eye about anti-Semitism is the godfather role it plays as the organizing principle of other bigotries.

http://www.theatlantic.com/video/archive/2010/08/christopher-hitchens-in-conversation/60931/

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by abu_rashid on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 8:44pm

The only unique thing about so called anti-Jewish racism is the number of half wits who confuse it with criticism of the state of Israel.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Imperium on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 8:52pm

You mean, most Jews?

Accusation of anti-Semitic is a defense mechanism used to deflect criticism of Jews in the same way that accusation of "racist" is used to deflect criticism of other minorities.

The only way the Muslim world can legitimize their claim to Palestinian soil is to prove that they have a right to it through power. If the Jews keep beating the sh*t out of you guys you are weaker and do not deserve to have your claims recognized.

Nobody is going to listen to you if all you can do is shout "unfair".

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by abu_rashid on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 9:03pm

Quote:

The only way the Muslim world can legitimize their claim to Palestinian soil is to prove that they have a right to it through power.

This is correct.

Quote:

If the Jews keep beating the sh*t out of you guys you are weaker and do not deserve to have your claims recognized.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Imperium on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 9:35pm

The Moslem world is able to inflict embarrassing defeats and wear down the forces of Occidental man so well because Occidental man is blinded by his own moral universalism. It is our own dedication to fairness, and the principle of "doing so would make us no better than you" that allows our Moslem foes, in the face of their obvious technological and numerical disadvantage, to persist with such resolution. This is not to say that you are not wrong to exploit our effeminate folly. However, the Jews are a different kettle of fish from us, whether you like it or not. And they are more than willing, using their intellectual, political and financial clout, to manipulate and draw other the leaders of other, powerful states, into this conflict.

I don't expect the state of Israel to persist. The Western powers in Europe will themselves be brought to the knees of the Muslim world -- not via the ak-47, but the panhandle, and the United States; a half negrified, half mexified husk of its former self, will break apart and fall into geopolitical irrelevance. Without its allies, it will be much easier for you to strike at the geographical heart of Judaism itself; Israel, and restore it to the contiguous soil of your holy land. As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding. Like the Roman, I seem to see the River Jordan foaming with much blood.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Soren on Aug 19^th, 2010 at 8:05am

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 9:03pm:

The Muslims are biding their time in Palestine, and will probably not re-take it until after the Caliphate is re-established.

'until after the Caliphate is re-established' - is that Arabic for the never-never?

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by cockneydoll on Aug 19^th, 2010 at 8:07am

Soren wrote on Aug 19^th, 2010 at 8:05am:

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 9:03pm:

The Muslims are biding their time in Palestine, and will probably not re-take it until after the Caliphate is re-established.

'until after the Caliphate is re-established' - is that Arabic for the never-never?

Please G-d !!

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Soren on Aug 19^th, 2010 at 8:23am

aikmann4 wrote on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 9:35pm:

Thank you, Winston... or is it Enoch?

But in the larger scheme of things I don't think barbarians can destroy civilisation quite the way they could in the past. The biggest problem is that they are unable to remain barbarians. The attrractions of the zealots' scheme for the world is zero outside the 'zealot community'. The majority of the Muslim are not for Afghanistan or Pakistan as the model for their future. The non-muslim all know by now that islam as a politicalsystem is for the crazy an the disaffected only.
Another 50 years of textual criticism of the Koran and Islam will go the way of Buddhism - a refuge for western neurotics. The early signs are there already: only the disffected crazies are talking the idea of back to th future caliphate as a serious proposition. Its their version of the Fuhrer's 1000 year Reich. A dangerous but nevertheless crazy idea.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by Imperium on Aug 19^th, 2010 at 8:31am

Abu's idea of a Caliphrate is obviously crazy, yeah, but I was specifically referring to another war in Israel, which is less crazy and more than likely. I don't see the Muslim world changing that much in the next fifty years. If demographic trends continue in the United States and Europe Israel will be alone, making me question whether it can continue to survive.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by cockneydoll on Aug 19^th, 2010 at 8:35am

I hope you are right Soren, but I have huge doubts, by the way things are speeding along at the moment.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by abu_rashid on Aug 19^th, 2010 at 9:04am

Quote:

'until after the Caliphate is re-established' - is that Arabic for the never-never?

Quote:

Another 50 years of textual criticism of the Koran and Islam will go the way of Buddhism - a refuge for western neurotics.

If the nonsense you quoted about Aramaic is any sign of your so called "textual criticism", then don't count on it ;D

Islam is in the direct opposite direction of Buddhism, and you know it, that is what scares you... That it won't just sit down and become some new age spiritually-uplifting feel good thing.

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by cockneydoll on Aug 19^th, 2010 at 9:19am

We all know full well that Islam is the direct oppposite to Buddhism, that is what is so frightening

Buddhism believes in peace, calm and tranquility and Islam belives in death, destruction and chaos

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by gizmo_2655 on Aug 19^th, 2010 at 12:19pm

aikmann4 wrote on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 9:35pm:

In my view, the reason for the "embarrassing defeats and wear down the forces of Occidental man so well"....especially in Iraq and Afghanistan is the same reason for the problems they had in Vietnam...

It is almost impossible to fight against a small group of 'insurgents' (or terrorists) that exist WITHIN a national population.

A combatant in civilian clothes cease to be recognisable as a combatant when they've throw the weapon away..

An insurgent can shoot and kill civilians or military personnel, then duck around a corner, throw the weapon over a wall...and BINGO instant 'innocent bystander'....

Title: Re: Israel is against traditional Jewish law
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Aug 19^th, 2010 at 1:26pm

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 9:03pm:

Quote:

The only way the Muslim world can legitimize their claim to Palestinian soil is to prove that they have a right to it through power.

This is correct.

[quote]If the Jews keep beating the sh*t out of you guys you are weaker and do not deserve to have your claims recognized.

This is not.

The Muslims and Jews have never really faced one another. The mock wars of the 20th. century were all a facade, and Britain choreographed it all, leading the Arab armies herself.

As we can see now in Afghanistan, when actual Muslim forces fight, they can bring superpowers to their knees. In fact the only serious fighters in Palestine, like Abdullah Azzam, left Palestine and went to Afghanistan, realising it was futile being a pawn in the West's little facade-wars with the Jews and the puppet Arab leaders.

The Muslims are biding their time in Palestine, and will probably not re-take it until after the Caliphate is re-established.[/quote]

Well then the last mock war in 1973 went the way of the previous three mock wars of 1967, 1956 & 1948.
It resulted in a comprehensive drubbing of the multi national Muslim armies by the Jews leaving 18,000 buried under the sand dunes, 35,000 wounded, 500 planes destroyed and over 2300 tanks crispy fried.
Not quite a mock war eh.
And not a pom in sight to choreograph the perfidious surprise attack on Yom Kipper either, or the Israeli response.
The Jewish armies may have had a poor record against the Roman army in those three wars of the 1st & 2nd century, but against the Muslim armies of the 20th century we all know who came out on top there.
If there is ever going to be another Caliphate, it won't be the new age Palestinian lepers celebrating I'm afraid.
They will only be around to clean the toilets and wash the dishes only which is pretty much as they are being treated now by their foreign Muslim brothers.
And if you are comparing the rubble of Afghanistan to the supercities of the US, I think it stands for all to see who is on their knees.
The poor Afghani's don't have two sticks to rub together.