Let's see how the votes will be split on this board.

I'll prob go for Ironman Abbott, rather than school mistress gillard.

3rd party is close for me though.

OK, what a choice..
I can say who I definiatly WON'T be voting for , and thats Abbott. I have been a Green voter with preferences to labor. I asked only a few days ago when I was really disillusioned in the dumping of Rudd who I would vote for.  And for the first time since I was 18 I may draw a peace sign on my next election ballott...

But sadly and scarily in  doing that may let Abbott win ..so I'll have to vote labor...that's a HAVE to and that's is my biggest gripe.

THE GREENS, and preference Labor.I would never give my vote to the extreme right neo con Liberals, they've buggered this place up enough.

Third party.

Liberal. :)

[quote author=mellie link=1277654050/0#5 date=1277684367]I will be casting my vote to the more experienced Liberal party.

I found this quite concerning...

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Peter-Costello-Henry-Tax-Review-Budget-2010-RSPT-pd20100518-5K7QJ?OpenDocument

Now if Labors  incapable of explaining/understanding their own erroneous and misleading 'said' tax reform, how is it they expect others to cast an informed vote/opinion either way?

Major issues for me this election are as follows


-Halting, or at least significantly culling our current rate of immigration.
-Scrapping the RSPT
-More infrastructure and services.
-Re-evaluation of refugee and immigration policies.
-Creating meaningful incentives or imposing restrictions/taxes on companies immigrating their workforce, this opposed to employing existing Australians for a fairer rate of pay.
-More policing of sweat shops and other known havens where illegals work cash in hand, hand to mouth...day to day (Yes, these exist in Australia).
-More selectivity with respects to who we are immigrating in the way of a skilled workforce, competing with skilled Australians for jobs for a lesser rate of pay due to their willingness to work for peanuts in order to gain residency.
-Skilling up and educating existing Australians so we may grow our own skilled workforce  in order to strive towards a more sustainable self-sufficient future.
-Increasing our population slowly and steadily, with our own birthrate, this opposed to the "Big Australia"  by 2050.
-The gradual withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan.
-Mandatory health/blood screening for those wanting to study and  work and live in Australia.
-Meaningful Health,education and social policy reforms
-Incentives for Australian mum and dad investors to invest in their own nations/kids future.
- A more simplified, less bureaucratic tax system. One in which leaders themselves can understand/explain.
- More programs and incentives for parents and carers trying to re-enter the workforce.
-More mid-level disability support units in secondary schools.  Children with mild to moderate disabilities shouldn't have to struggle educationally or socially in mainstreams schools waiting for suitable placements they so desperately need in support units.
-More transparency where policy and political process/decision making is concerned.
-School teachers should be qualified to teach the subjects they teach. PE teachers don't generally make good computer studies teachers, quality control measures should be in place to ensure qualified staff are filling these positions.
-Stop putting Question time on at 3am in the morning. Some of us like to watch it. :)
-More transparency re- media in general, and more unbiased coverage of Both parties. The only paper taking a neutral stance on  Abbott at present is The Australian.
-Crack down on juvenile delinquency and youth violence in schools, which are supposed to be places kids feel safe, because main streaming these violent disruptive kids hasn't worked, despite schools happily accepting the 'special' funding to accommodate these behaviourally disordered kids who make life really hard for those who genuinely want to learn.
- A zero tolerance to school violence/ bullying,(Gillards stupid programs are absolutely useless, are an epic flop they will be trying to forget about this election).
-Kids like this love being suspended, so they can sit at home and play video games, put the little a-holes in boot-camp, lets see how much they want to get suspended then when they spend their entire school days scrubbing graffiti off walls.
-A 3 Strike and your off to boot-camp/military school policy.

I voted for Truth, Justice and the American Way.  Batman - you get my vote even if you do wear your underwear on the outside.

At the election, I'll probably vote Green with preferences to Liberal.  Neither of major parties are serious on Climate Change policy so it doesn't matter.

The Greens won't get anywhere unless they crucify Gillard. She needs to be crucified for what she did.

We need a strong enough 3rd party to Hold the government in check so that they do not gain control of the upper house and abuse their power like the Howard government did.
One essay I read says the Government works best when they have control of both houses. I do not agree, what works best is if a third party hold the balance of power, not the government and not the opposition.
Just don't have a weak assed leader like Meg Lees!

I'll be voting Greens and preferencing Labor too.



Quote:

Adolf Hitler (he's coming back)

Thinking of running, are you?  ;)

muso wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 10:48am:

I voted for Truth, Justice and the American Way.  Batman - you get my vote even if you do wear your underwear on the outside. At the election, I'll probably vote Green with preferences to Liberal.  Neither of major parties are serious on Climate Change policy so it doesn't matter. The Greens won't get anywhere unless they crucify Gillard. She needs to be crucified for what she did.

Phhttt flatman liked his ribbon too much!

skippy
Quote:

THE GREENS, and preference Labor.I would never give my vote to the extreme right neo con Liberals, they've buggered this place up enough.

in what way do you think the libs have ruined aussie ???

My first preference is that labor does not get in.
My second preference is that liberal does not get in.
So I will vote for an independent who has a good chance of getting in so the preferences don't flow to these big party spongers.
Whoever I think in the runup to the election, is going to get in, I'll vote the opposite way for the Senate or some minor party to stuff them up in the House of Representatives. But I won't vote for labor in the Senate.
Do it all the time, like hundreds of thousands of other sensible Australians, and keep the b*stards off our backs.

I don't vote for parties that have exported most of the jobs and industries from this country, and then bought in GST's and other taxes on people to make them even poorer. I particularly don't like hypocritical labor parties who try to make me poorer in the hope that I'll blame the "richies" so I'll vote socialist. Bullsh*trs.

I can hear Julia Gillards biological clock ticking all the way from Altonia house, and don't believe for a second she intends on remaining barren indefinitely post a comparatively short lived political climax.  
Once she's had her fill of castrating what's left of the Labor party,(come to think of it, I think she's pretty well done there) she might  have a stab at motherhood, this or like Madonna adopt then liberate a frizzy haired Malawian girl-child from an African baby shop.

How will Gillard lead the party from her kitchen sink some may wonder? 8-)

Well, you don't have to concern yourselves about this, for her leadership is as transient as her policies and pre-electoral promises, this and far from sustainable hence she has no intentions of moving into the lodge...meaning Rudd will probably stay there so long as he disappears into the background on a dusty bench, this and promises faithfully not to publish any more mind-numbing children's books, autobiographers or political memoirs.

His dynamite personality really "shakes" through his writing style doesn't it...eh? ;)...get tha sauce bottle ready people, he's just getting started on his personal investment portfolio re- the mining industry.

Gillards only 48, and for a financially secure shrivelled up Kumera, she's got plenty of tread left on those tires.


::)

Know of any smaller parties qualified to manage our robust economy?

Labor are flat out keeping their heads above water, surely you're not suggesting a PM Bob Brown?


Greens means Beans!

8-)

Cheers

Quote:

My first preference is that labor does not get in. My second preference is that liberal does not get in.

Well there go both your preferences! Unfortunately one party has too!

On another subject, Julia Gillard has made it clear she has not interest in having children. Who are you to force it on her! If a parent can not put their children first, then they have no business having children. At least she knows this!

mellie wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 12:34pm:

Know of any smaller parties qualified to manage our robust economy? Labor are flat out keeping their heads above water, surely you're not suggesting a PM Bob Brown? Greens means Beans! 8-) Cheers

looks like the rightards are scared s hitless of Jules, LOL otherwise they wouldn't be going into such damage control to try and save the pizzy seats they have left.
Rudd would have won this election, Gillard will s hit it in.
You seen the polls rightard? you know the same ones all you rightards had little woodies over for the past couple of weeks,LOL 54 Labor 46 Libs,and thats the best one, see ya mad monk.

Deborahmac09 wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 12:37pm:

Quote: My first preference is that labor does not get in. My second preference is that liberal does not get in. Well there go both your preferences! Unfortunately one party has too! On another subject, Julia Gillard has made it clear she has not interest in having children. How are you to force it on her! If a parent can not put their children first, then they have no business having children. At least she knows this!

Oh, you mean the way Gillard and her union factions 'allegedly' forced herself/themselves upon the Australian Public?  ;)

At least Julia has choices, she need not take my advice or views concerning parenting seriously, though were Australians dignified with the same curtsey when they chose Kevin Rudd to be their leader, and woke up one morning to learn that he'd been replaced by Ronald McDonald?
A leader who wasn't even allowed to complete his term.

8-)


If Gillards so pro-choice, then why didn't she honour the Australian public's right to make theirs?

When they (ignorants) stated Rudd was their preferred PM/Labor leader,  Gillard chose to strip him of his sack, so was she considering Australians right to having made theirs?

Choice! ;)

Quote:

I can hear Julia Gillards biological clock ticking all the way from Altonia house

Are you sure that's not the sound of your synapses misfiring?

I wonder if smellie felt the same about  Gorton, Menzies when they got rolled by the Libs/Unite Aus party?
I'm not surprised smellie is s hiting herself though, the Libs are gone .

I find this leftard and rightard crap really disturbing.
Let us think who our worst Goverment was/in, then think about leaders like Robert Mugabe, Idi Amin, that wack job in from North Korea, Kim Jong Il. Do you see yet how lucky we are, no matter which Government is in? Both sides act like it is the end of the world.

Quote:

If Gillards so pro-choice, then why didn't she honour the Australian public's right to make theirs? When they (ignorants) stated Rudd was their preferred PM/Labor leader,  Gillard chose to strip him of his sack, so was she considering Australians right to having made theirs? Choice

I do not agree with what happened Millie. On that we agree.

Deborahmac09 wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 1:03pm:

I find this leftard and rightard crap really disturbing. Let us think who our worst Goverment was/in, then think about leaders like Robert Mugabe, Idi Amin, that wack job in from North Korea, Kim Jong Il. Do you see yet how lucky we are, no matter which Government is in? Both sides act like it is the end of the world.

Abbott is as dangerous as the tards you've mentioned, he is an extreme right wing neo con bible basher, the worst PM you could imagine.

skippy. wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 1:06pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Jun 28th, 2010 at 1:03pm: I find this leftard and rightard crap really disturbing. Let us think who our worst Goverment was/in, then think about leaders like Robert Mugabe, Idi Amin, that wack job in from North Korea, Kim Jong Il. Do you see yet how lucky we are, no matter which Government is in? Both sides act like it is the end of the world. Abbott is as dangerous as the tards you've mentioned, he is an extreme right wing neo con bible basher, the worst PM you could imagine.

He might be the worst PM, but we are still going to be better off than those in the countries of the wack jobs I mentioned.

It's far from over yet, where Abbotts concerned, and the Labor party knows this which is why they are pushing for Libs to regress to their level and play musical chairs with their bench too.

FAT CHANCE!

Policy and Loyalty will be key words this coming election.

8-)...  Once Gillards honeymoon effect has worn off, when she's expected to put up her policies and demonstrate to the Australian people why she is worthy of having replaced their chosen favourite..., it will be back to the kitchen sink for her.

;D But she tried....sigh~

skippy - so, why are the libs so bad ?

I thought krudd was the worst Pm ever, so did his party.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 1:11pm:

skippy - so, why are the libs so bad ? I thought krudd was the worst Pm ever, so did his party.

8-)

mellie wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 1:11pm:

It's far from over yet, where Abbotts concerned, and the Labor party knows this which is why they are pushing for Libs to regress to their level and play musical chairs with their bench too. FAT CHANCE! Policy and Loyalty will be key words this coming election. 8-)...  Once Gillards honeymoon effect has worn off, when she's expected to put up her policies and demonstrate to the Australian people why she is worthy of having replaced their chosen favourite..., it will be back to the kitchen sink for her. ;D But she tried....sigh~

I dont want the Libs to change leader, a leadership change for the Libs can mean just one thing, more votes, I dont want that, I want them to callapse into the pile of s hit they are, see the light and install a moderate who has a chance of making the Libs competitive and LIBERAL again.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 1:11pm:

skippy - so, why are the libs so bad ? I thought krudd was the worst Pm ever, so did his party.

Only rightards think Rudd was the worst PM ever, the rest of the country know it was Billy McMahon, dont worry sprint, the Libs will never lose that title.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 12:52pm:

Quote: I can hear Julia Gillards biological clock ticking all the way from Altonia house Are you sure that's not the sound of your synapses misfiring?

That has to be a contender for put-down of the week.  ;D

The votes so far:

3rd party = 50%
libs = 30%
alp = 20%

which in reality means, an alp victory !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 1:21pm:

The votes so far: 3rd party = 50% libs = 30% alp = 20% which in reality means, an alp victory !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Could go either way sprint, you can give your preference to who ever you like.

You forgot the cape crusader!

Deborahmac09 wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 1:03pm:

I find this leftard and rightard crap really disturbing. Let us think who our worst Goverment was/in, then think about leaders like Robert Mugabe, Idi Amin, that wack job in from North Korea, Kim Jong Il. Do you see yet how lucky we are, no matter which Government is in? Both sides act like it is the end of the world.

Agreed. There is not really much separation in Australia between Right and Left anyway. It's not like the US.  The most relevant criteria these days is not between Right and Left, but between Libertarian versus Authoritarian.

muso wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 3:21pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Jun 28th, 2010 at 1:03pm: I find this leftard and rightard crap really disturbing. Let us think who our worst Goverment was/in, then think about leaders like Robert Mugabe, Idi Amin, that wack job in from North Korea, Kim Jong Il. Do you see yet how lucky we are, no matter which Government is in? Both sides act like it is the end of the world. Agreed. There is not really much separation in Australia between Right and Left anyway. It's not like the US.  The most relevant criteria these days is not between Right and Left, but between Libertarian versus Authoritarian.

I don't agree Muso, there is a huge difference between right and left.
Under a moderate Liberal leader,such as Turnbull, there is not a lot of difference between Labor and Liberal, but both of those parties are on the right of politics now days.
But, under Abbott the Libs are a far right neo con party.
Compère Abbotts Libs with The Social Alliance and tell me there is no difference.

Lobo wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 1:19pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jun 28th, 2010 at 12:52pm: Quote: I can hear Julia Gillards biological clock ticking all the way from Altonia house Are you sure that's not the sound of your synapses misfiring? That has to be a contender for put-down of the week.  ;D

I think it missed its intended target.

;)

Agreed. There is not really much separation in Australia between Right and Left anyway. It's not like the US.
====================

I see Abbott as making the extreme differences LIKE  in the US. Thats what scares me about him.  :o

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 12:52pm:

Quote: I can hear Julia Gillards biological clock ticking all the way from Altonia house Are you sure that's not the sound of your synapses misfiring?

LOL, Annie - that was priceless!

I selected 'Third Party' - as I would never waste my first preference on the LibLabs and I don't like to encourage either of them!

I live in a safe Lab seat. So, being a lefty, my terminating preference will go to the Lab candidate...

However, unless there is a religious-righteous or other nutjob running, the Labs will still only receive my penultimate preference - with the Libs last...

Greens for the Senate!

A few minor parties first. Whoever is promoting a tax on carbon (rather than an ETS or Abbott's scheme) will get my first preference. Most likely Labor ahead of Liberal, unless Turnbull makes a comeback.

Gillard ...Swanny, together, they will de-seed the planet.

Other than Mark Latham, who I didn't mind actually and even bought his diary's, not one  labor member appeals to me.
Bob was a babbling drunk with a red nose, (Sorry Bob), Keating was too creepy to be a politician,  ....was a bit of a ladys man if I recall and liked to cross-dress also.
Bill Shortons head is disproportionally large in comparison to the rest of his body, Hydrocephalus? Latham was a funny bugger and sharp as a tack at times too, but was too much of a black sheep and pessimist, (I think Gillard slowly poisoned him) and was a bit paranoid and dark towards the end,  (It's labor, who wouldn't be).
I did enjoy Marks writing though,  really liked it actually,and Kim Beazley, well, he was just a jumping castle with an attitude, big loud union mouth who in typical union form used his physical presence to grand stand...plus he was a bit slow I think. Perhaps the fat had mobilised and travelled to his brain, hard to tell.  And Kevin, well....a smug media slut with an abrasive personality is always a treasure, reminded of one of those ventriloquist puppets at carnivals, the way he'd purse his lips and electronically speak was kinda creepy.
A terrible public speaker,(very embarrassing) and I was especially repulsed by the earwax parliamentary appetiser.  
His speeches sounded too cocky, smug and rehearsed.
Gillard, well,  I don't mind her brain, and she puts up a good debate in question time...Imagine her and Costello leading the Liberal party, this or starting a family of their own one day, party I mean..she could be that woman who brings glasses of water around during question time... ;)  Why do they drink so much water?
Or is that just to create the illusion that they're working hard, so must need one?

I don't think Julia is as left as she would have you believe, this or as loyal either ;)

In all, Labor don't have much of a run-up, the best they have is Gillard, but due to their notoriously "mysogenous" parties under-current, the one the public don't get to see until attending their first union brawl,  I doubt her stay will be a long and pleasant one.

Abbott is likeable, the same way John Howard was,(though needs guidance)...which fortunately for him, he has.

And like Howard when he first started, Abbott had that shoot from the hip non-polished  integrity...which is important for a politician I think.
Or else like Rudd they start sounding mechanical, inhuman.
Cossy, he's a classic, very intelligent, he had me in fits of laughter when watching question time with Howard at his side, he just had a way of making the labor candidates look like morons,(not hard).. was like they weren't even there when he'd get going.

Remember Vanstone Amanda I think she's an ambassador for Italy now inst she?

Whenever I see Gillard, I cant help but think of  Clarice Starling from out of Silence of the lambs (Jodie Foster)...I dunno why....Odd!

Perhaps it's her desire to prove herself, her young age (compared to other leaders), in a male dominated profession, and her clumsy erroneous mistakes she makes along the way whilst learning the ropes , this and somehow manages to  land on her feet.
Wayne Swan?  I thought he'd passed away until recently, where was he for all those years? Did he do time, something about bribing the democrats involving the Australian Federal Police?
Fantastic treasurer there Gillard.
:)

I think Gillards their last green skin, (no offence to the Greens party)...what I mean by this is she's quite possibly the only labor candidate without a murky past or criminal record.

Night, thanx for putting up with my rant.

8-)

mellie wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 10:30pm:

Keating was too creepy to be a politician,  ....was a bit of a ladys man if I recall and liked to cross-dress also.

Well I've never seen that before. The thought of it is hilarious (ever see Keating - the Musical we had to have? )

Keating had his head screwed on right. He had some really good ideas. In my view he was probably the best Labour PM in recent times.  Rudd had some good ideas but lacked the intestinal fortitude to see them though.

Rudd would have been great as an ideas man, a bit like Gordon Brown was to Tony Blair in the UK.

The most competant leaders lack charisma. The most charismatic leaders lack nouse. Hawke was a total reprobate, but he was charismatic. His best asset was Keating.

Malcolm Turnbull was a wasted opportunity. He could have been good for Australia.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/af/Keating_poster.jpg

I too am a Keating fan - and I agree that Mal T was the most user-friendly option that the Libs have had in decades...

He would have probably made an ideal statesman - so I'll never understand, how unsavvy his party was, to his electoral potential...

He could have won over the electorate, if he had not been so savagely undermined from within...

BTW, the same cannot be said for Rudd!

Mal isn't a peoples person,(has a brain, but isn't likeable enough)... and whilst he appealed to the elite ruling class, ... Abbott is a likeable character warts and all.  I recall another PM like this...  when he first started out.

Howard!

Ironically, Howards Abbotts mentor, so lets hope he's a chip off the old block.
I think he will be, (he has some fantastic advisor's) just wont rule with the same iron fist war-lord style the way Howard did, this was Howards short coming i'm afraid.
And despite people saying Liberal would have been re-elected if Howard had have stepped aside, and let Cossy lead, I think Australia were ready for a new government, and needed this slack-ass labor government to remind us all to thank god/whatever for small mercies.
None the less, Howard and Costello are responsible for having saved us from enduring a what other nations did global crisis wise.

And of course, Rudd will tell you it was he who save the day....ahahahhahahahahahahaha what a joke!

All he did was set us back about 3 years, had he not squandered funds and invested in useless programs and policies....we may be able to afford to pay our electricity bills and mortgages.

A good indicator is how many people have pulled their kids from private schools and have cancelled private health insurance policies, and many insurance policies in fact...this and aren't in a position to take out mortgages or accumulate anymore debt. And believe me, it's not because they think public health and education are on the mend, quite to the contrary in fact, with recent opinion poll findings.

Polls suggest that on the whole, Australians are quite pessimistic/uncertain about their future, major concerns being health, increasing decline in social values, discipline, youth violence, job losses, mass immigration, which they believe have altered the Australian way of life.  
When people stop dreaming about the future, this and having faith in their future/economy, things are not good.
They stop spending, this and taking risks...are less inclined to buy that holiday house, or even first home.

On the whole, Australians were happier under a Howard government, were better off, this and felt more secure.

Rudd lashed out on useless policies and projects, wasted funds,  to try and accommodate our ethnic sprawl (and an increasing unemployment rate).....unemployment figures haven't been this bad in Australia since the 1960's.  Shocking!!!

This said, why are we still immigrating?
::)

Even those who come here with a view to work and ultimately gain permanent residency are going back home...due to their not being able to find work when they get here.
Recall the Indian Toddler living in an overcrowded dwelling in Melbourne who was murdered by a family friend and former house-mate?
This couple had become increasingly depressed because they couldn't find work, so had planned to go back to India just a week before their son was murdered.

Don't kid yourself, times are tough, even for immigrants and international students, hence our leading export (education) is currently of concern.

And where are these failed Rudd policies/projects now?

RUDDundant!


What a mess eh?

::)

Quote:

Rudd lashed out on useless policies and projects, so as to try and accommodate our ethnic sprawl, (and an increasing unemployment rate).....unemployment figures haven't been this bad in Australia since the 1960's.  Shocking!!!

Really? LOL ::) ;D :D

skippy. wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 10:50am:

Quote: Rudd lashed out on useless policies and projects, so as to try and accommodate our ethnic sprawl, (and an increasing unemployment rate).....unemployment figures haven't been this bad in Australia since the 1960's.  Shocking!!! Really? LOL ::) ;D :D

Yes, unemployment figures haven't been this bad since the 1960's, need proof?

Or are you capable of googling these stats for yourself?

:)

mellie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 10:56am:

skippy. wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 10:50am: Quote: Rudd lashed out on useless policies and projects, so as to try and accommodate our ethnic sprawl, (and an increasing unemployment rate).....unemployment figures haven't been this bad in Australia since the 1960's.  Shocking!!! Really? LOL ::) ;D :D Yes, unemployment figures haven't been this bad since the 1960's, need proof? Or are you capable of googling these stats for yourself? :)

Well seeing as though I was in the workforce during the 70s 80s and 90s I dont need proof, I know you're wrong.
Unemployment is about 5% a figure that Menzies used to call full employment. During the 70s 80s and 90s it was much higher.

Sorry to have to tell you this, but youth unemployment figures haven't been this bad since the 1960's.


Put simply, Rudd immigrated more than we could accommodate, sustainably....

Thus put existing Australians out of work.
8-)

Third party for me. I have voted independant (fruitlessly) for years. I may vote for the Shooters Party down the track but will control, as always, where my preferences fall...Libs last and Labor 2nd last as usual..Greens and Democrats down near the bottom as well.

I do miss Keating but not all of his policies.

A clever well read man who I warmed to immediately when I heard him refer to the Libs as a bunch of Tallyrakes...Oh I miss the way he just pood all over the Libs...they were like deer caught in the headlights. Glorious.

mellie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 11:08am:

Sorry to have to tell you this, but unemployment figures haven't been this bad since the 1960's. Put simply, Rudd immigrated more than we could accommodate, sustainably.... Thus put existing Australians out of work. 8-)

You seem to be a very simple person so I'll put it to you simply, please provide your proof, not your opinion.

mellie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 11:08am:

Sorry to have to tell you this, but unemployment figures haven't been this bad since the 1960's. Put simply, Rudd immigrated more than we could accommodate, sustainably.... Thus put existing Australians out of work. 8-)

Wrong. The largest intake of immigration occurred during 1999 and 2005. Admittedly Rudd didn't do much to stem the flow, but the coalition opened the floodgates with their "dual citizenship" and no capital gains tax for foreigners under the pretense of bringing in skilled workers for the multinationals.

I'd query those employment figures too if I could be bothered. Labor hasn't managed too badly with employment considering the rest of the world has practically collapsed.

My primary vote will go to a third party.

skippy. wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 11:10am:

mellie wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 11:08am: Sorry to have to tell you this, but unemployment figures haven't been this bad since the 1960's. Put simply, Rudd immigrated more than we could accommodate, sustainably.... Thus put existing Australians out of work. 8-) You seem to be a very simple person so I'll put it to you simply, please provide your proof, not your opinion.

Bump, mellie, your proof unemployment is higher now that at any time since the 60s? theres a good girl, you dont want to look like a liar, do you?

skippy. wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 12:22pm:

skippy. wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 11:10am: mellie wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 11:08am: Sorry to have to tell you this, but unemployment figures haven't been this bad since the 1960's. Put simply, Rudd immigrated more than we could accommodate, sustainably.... Thus put existing Australians out of work. 8-) You seem to be a very simple person so I'll put it to you simply, please provide your proof, not your opinion. Bump, mellie, your proof unemployment is higher now that at any time since the 60s? theres a good girl, you dont want to look like a liar, do you?

Hi, glad you left this space here for me, or else I might have missed your response when I got back.  Now, where were we...ah yes,  re- unemployment figures.

My apologies, I omitted the word.."youth" there and have now corrected this.

Also I raised this topic on Yahoo about seven months ago when the topic was pulled quite abruptly, (re- youth unemployment).
It's a topic Labor would prefer we didn't discuss at all.


See, immigrants and our Australian youth have something in common, of which is they will work for peanuts.

I have even heard of Australians with degrees working at McDonalds these days, in fact, my sons computer studies teacher is working there now as a manager.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0PAO/is_1_22/ai_106223002/?tag=content;col1

:)


Does this look familiar?

http://australianpolitics.com/elections/1972/72-11-13_it's-time.shtml

The "Big Australia" party.

Funny how some things never change.

8-)...Labor for the blue collar working class you say?


Garbage!i

She's backpedaled, but very sloppy, you wont get away with your lies that easy again.
Now if what you say is correct(I still require proof ) who's fault would that be? Howard in his twelve years did bugger all for youth employment, he even cut apprenticeships so much they just about became non existent,when Labor came into power they tried to address this but I notice Abbott is already saying if he is elected he will again cut training and apprenticeships for our youth.
Now, wheres your proof?

skippy. wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 3:37pm:

She's backpedaled, but very sloppy, you wont get away with your lies that easy again. Now if what you say is correct(I still require proof ) who's fault would that be? Howard in his twelve years did bugger all for youth employment, he even cut apprenticeships so much they just about became non existent,when Labor came into power they tried to address this but I notice Abbott is already saying if he is elected he will again cut training and apprenticeships for our youth. Now, where's your proof?

Not back peddled at all, I genuinely omitted a word, yes, even I do this from time to time, though unlike your Gillard, I will take responsibility for my own mistakes, this opposed to lumbering them off onto a colleague.

8-) btw, you must congratulate Labor on that big Telstra broadband deal Krudd secured shortly before being knifed in the back by Gillard.... has she mentioned anything about this deal yet?

Or will she wait for Kevs corpse to cool first?

;)

It only stands to reason that with so many immigrants arriving on temp-student visas snapping up unskilled work there would be shortages.

http://wheresmyjob.net.au/

The rate we're going, kids will be still in school and living at home when they're in their 30... ::)

Charity begins at home!

8-)

mellie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 3:47pm:

skippy. wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 3:37pm: She's backpedaled, but very sloppy, you wont get away with your lies that easy again. Now if what you say is correct(I still require proof ) who's fault would that be? Howard in his twelve years did bugger all for youth employment, he even cut apprenticeships so much they just about became non existent,when Labor came into power they tried to address this but I notice Abbott is already saying if he is elected he will again cut training and apprenticeships for our youth. Now, where's your proof? Not back peddled at all, I genuinely omitted a word, yes, even I do this from time to time, though unlike your Gillard, I will take responsibility for my own mistakes, this opposed to lumbering them off onto a colleague. 8-) btw, you must congratulate Labor on that big Telstra broadband deal Krudd secured shortly before being knifed in the back by Gillard.... has she mentioned anything about this deal yet? Or will she wait for Kevs corpse to cool first? ;)

You still haven't provided proof, I still think you are lying , provide proof of what you said.
Even if what you said was reworded you said "youth unemployment is higher now than at any time other than the 1960s" PROOF?

Ok, you claim I'm lying, how about you bring something  to the table to validate your statement?

:)

I made a statement, that youth unemployment hasn't been this atrocious since the 1960's , possibly even 50's , 40's  (I recall having read this in an article earlier this year which made news)  ... and just assumed it was common knowledge that young Australians are missing out on jobs to assist them with funding themselves through uni, school, LIFE, which may help explain  why youth crime and suicide is up also....how ironic  8-)

Read the following....

Must I do all your research for you?

Increase In Youth Suicide Rate Following Decade Long Decline May Reflect Emerging Health Crisis
04 Sep 2008 - 1:00 PST

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/120151.php

But the kids have a few smart-boards and demountable buildings ..oh and lest we forget the free microscopic lap-tops designed for midgets fingers, so this is ok.

8-) Nice to see our Labor party have their priorities in order eh?

It's clear, Gillard isn't overly youth-orientated.

So you cant back up your claims, cool, you're a liar, now we know to treat anything you say as lies, thanks.
You made the claims ,it is not up to me to prove you wrong, it is clear you lie to suit your purpose, now we know what sort of person you are we know how to deal with you.

skippy. wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 4:23pm:

So you cant back up your claims, cool, you're a liar, now we know to treat anything you say as lies, thanks. You made the claims ,it is not up to me to prove you wrong, it is clear you lie to suit your purpose, now we know what sort of person you are we know how to deal with you.

You have accused me of being a liar, so it's now up to you to demonstrate where I have lied.

:) Can you do this?

If not, then you are just your typical neurotic forum troll who just likes to distract people from the discussion at hand.

You sound a tad angry, excessive to me, even your signature smacks of extremist ideology.


Do you normally have trouble communicating with people, or are you having a bad day?

:) I hope your day improves.

Quote:

If not, then you are just your typical neurotic forum troll who just likes to distract people from the discussion at hand.

Skip is just asking you to back up the claims you made with evidence. Nothing wrong with that.

I knew you couldn't back up your lies, liar.
You do know how stupid you look now dont you? you are so inept you need to lie to try and prove your point, typical rightard.

skippy. wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 4:35pm:

I knew you couldn't back up your lies, liar. You do know how stupid you look now dont you? you are so inept you need to lie to try and prove your point, typical rightard.

Your signature is a subjective statement unto itself, yes?

Do you often make baseless subjective statements, this and attack anyone who will dignify you with a response?
8-)

And do you not know the difference between an opinion and a lie?


I wasn't going to dignify your accusation and childish insults with a response,(proof) though for the benefit of others who may be curious as to whether youth unemployment is indeed worse under a Labor government, then read the following.
Feel free to compare with  ABS also if you will.

http://www.liberal.org.au/Latest-News/2010/04/08/Almost-6000-more-young-people-unemployed-Rudd-ignores-OECD-warnings.aspx

8-)

skippy. wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 3:37pm:

She's backpedaled, but very sloppy, you wont get away with your lies that easy again. Now if what you say is correct(I still require proof ) who's fault would that be? Howard in his twelve years did bugger all for youth employment, he even cut apprenticeships so much they just about became non existent,when Labor came into power they tried to address this but I notice Abbott is already saying if he is elected he will again cut training and apprenticeships for our youth. Now, wheres your proof?

Almost 6000 more young people unemployed Rudd ignores OECD warnings

08/04/10

Youth unemployment rose almost 2 percentage points to almost 25 per cent in March, according to official figures out today.

Shadow Youth Minister Steven Ciobo said the sharp rise in the number of unemployed young Australians (aged 15 to 19) confirmed the Rudd Labor Government had failed to heed warnings by the world’s peak economic and social monitor on rises in Australia’s youth unemployment.

Mr Ciobo’s comments followed today’s release of figures showing the number of youth (aged 15-19) seeking full-time work increased by 5800 in March, an increase from 23.1 per cent to 24.9 per cent.

“The Rudd Government has clearly ignored the warning issued by the OECD last April which cautioned the government about the impact of its new workplace relations regime on youth unemployment in Australia,” Mr Ciobo said.

“The OECD sent a clear warning about the impact of its new workplace relations regime on entry-level wages for lower-skilled young Australians and, consequently, the potential for reducing demand for them in the workplace.

“Already we have seen reports of young Australians being pushed out of after-school jobs thanks to the Rudd Government’s new workplace regime.

“This was a classic case of a union-inspired scheme, driven by rigid ideology which leaves no room for flexibility and ends up leaving workers worse off.”

You did not dignify him with a response millie, you kept sidestepping. You should have given baby his boddle!

Thanks for the laugh but your proof please?
You need to realise if you come onto a political forum and make outrageous statements like " Youth unemployment is higher now than at any time since the 1960s" you need to provide proof.

Quote:

And do you not know the difference between an opinion and a lie?

Yes I do, so how about we clear this up now? you admit you have no proof and your asertion was in fact just your opinion?

Deborahmac09 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 5:11pm:

You did not dignify him with a response millie, you kept sidestepping. You should have given baby his boddle!

Had he not been so rude and demanding, I would have gladly put the proof up earlier, however I'm a little defiant in this way, particularly where rude aggressive trolls are concerned.

8-), All they had to do was ask politely.

:)

mellie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 5:17pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 5:11pm: You did not dignify him with a response millie, you kept sidestepping. You should have given baby his boddle! Had he not been so rude and demanding, I would have gladly put the proof up earlier, however I'm a little defiant in this way, particularly where rude aggressive trolls are concerned. 8-), All they had to do was ask politely. :)

What proof? you really are joking ,right? the  Liberal party propa ganda site is not proof.
Where is yout proof?

Lets see, is this a Labor lie?

Rudd overpromised on indigenous unemployment


by Professor Jon Altman and Dr Nicholas Biddle from the Australian National University
Yesterday, employment data for 2008 and 2009, the first two years of the Rudd government, were released. And the figures suggest that rather than delivering on their ‘closing the gap’ pledge, the Australian government might have exacerbated the expansion of the indigenous unemployment gap it has committed to halve.

In early 2008 the incoming Rudd government made its national apology to indigenous Australians and with rhetorical flourish the prime minister launched the Closing the Gap policy framework. This admirable document includes six statistical targets to either reduce or eliminate life expectancy, mortality rate, educational and employment gaps between indigenous and other Australians.

Quickly the Council of Australian Governments was coaxed to adopt this framework later incorporated into the National Indigenous Reform Agreement (Closing the Gap).

A key target is to halve the gap in employment outcomes between indigenous and non-indigenous Australians within a decade. This will require an estimated reduction in the gap in the employment rate (the employment/population ratio) from 24% to 12% through the creation of an estimated additional 100,000 jobs in 10 years, or 10,000 jobs each year. A neat indicative trajectory provided at Schedule G ‘Progress towards the Closing the Gap targets’ illustrates how this statistical outcome is to be achieved.

An early warning was provided to the government in April 2008 that trends from 1971 to 2006 showed that this goal was unrealistic and possibly unachievable; the warning was ignored.

The annual ABS publication, Labour Force Characteristics of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians: Estimates from the Labour Force Survey is the key instrument available to track the employment situation of indigenous people. Data is available annually going back to 2002, although the release for 2008 was delayed due to issues with benchmarking.

For a government that has committed to a managerial evidence-based approach to policy making the data released yesterday provides an early opportunity to use official statistics to gauge progress in closing the employment gap at the national level. The ABS is careful to warn that all labour force survey estimates are subject to sampling errors that require some caution in interpretation, hence our national focus.

Some headline information provides a damning indictment of the COAG strategy. Consider the following:
The unemployment rate rose substantially from 13.8% of the indigenous working-age population in 2007 to 18.1% in 2009
The employment/population ratio (the employment rate) fell from 50.4% in 2007 to 47.6% in 2009
The estimated number of indigenous people employed decreased from 163,200 in 2008 to 161,200 in 2009, a decline of 2,000
The gap in employment percentages between indigenous and non-indigenous Australians of  23 percentage points in 2007 increased to 24.4 percentage points in 2009
The increase in the gap in unemployment rates was even greater, growing from 9.6% in 2007 to 12.6% in 2009.

The indigenous sample in the labour force survey is relatively small. Apart from the rapid rise in the unemployment rate, it is difficult to tell with complete certainty whether the other differences are statistically significant. Indeed, due to cuts to the ABS’s budget ensuring statistical certainty has become more difficult, precisely when government accountability for indigenous outcomes is supposed to improve. What we can say with certainty is that the government is a long way short of the 10,000 additional jobs needed to be on track to halve the employment gap by 2018.

One might charitably blame the deterioration in indigenous employment on the global financial crisis, but such an explanation would at best be partial. In fact owing to the nation building and jobs plan of early 2009, non-indigenous employment levels have hardly deteriorated. Yet despite warnings that recently recruited indigenous people might warrant special assistance and be the first dismissed, the Australian government did nothing special for those arguably most vulnerable to the GFC.

Indeed, it is likely that through two of its own policy interventions the Australian government might have exacerbated the expansion of the employment gap.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/06/04/closing-the-gap-rudd-overpromised-on-indigenous-unemployment/

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So, it's not only non-indigenous Australian youth missing out on Jobs, it's some of our more vulnerable and disadvantaged members of the community also.

No wonder he was blubbering, just how embarrassing is this? ... ::)

This Labor party has made fools out of us all,  and itself, ......climategate affair, closing the gap, and project burn down the house with their failed insulation program.....then theres the education and health systems they have failed to reform, rather have made them worse.

:) Do they think we are simpletons or something?

That we cant tell our quality of life has deteriorated, for the majority of Australians.

And lets not even begin discussing utility, rent and housing prices....

::)...cuts to bulk-billing GP's and after hours services..

mellie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 11:08am:

Sorry to have to tell you this, but youth unemployment figures haven't been this bad since the 1960's.

Quote:

Had he not been so rude and demanding, I would have gladly put the proof up earlier, however I'm a little defiant in this way, particularly where rude aggressive trolls are concerned.

You're still wrong. Youth unemployment was at 32% during the last recession.

http://nils.flinders.edu.au/assets/publications/Unemployment_in_Australia_2.pdf

It was also higher in the 1980s and 90s, .


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Introduction The postwar boom of 1953-1974 in Australia, when a family could be supported on a single income, inflation was low, and unemployment rates varied between 1% and 5%, was the exception rather than the rule of 20th- century economic life. During every other period of this century between 6% and 10% of the workforce has been without a job.1 From 1966, when the Australian Bureau of Statistics began collating age-specific unemployment rates, until about the mid 1970s, younger and older age groups tended to have about the same unemployment rates, except for 15-19 year olds, whose rates have been consistently higher.2 From the mid 1970s, unemployment rates for people in their early 20s, and, by the 1980s, people in their late 20s to early 30s, also began to surpass those for older age groups; by the 1990s high unemployment affected also the oldest age groups (55 years), leaving those 35-54 years the least affected.2 High youth unemployment rates are not simply an artefact of the shrinking pool of 15-19 year olds in the labour market because of greater involvement in further education and training; the official rate in men aged 20-24 years also remains high (15% in July 1997).3 During the 1980s and 1990s unemployment in youth (15-24 years) approached 30%-35%, and in some parts of Australia, such as the Illawarra-Wollongong Statistical District in 1992, official male youth rates exceeded 40%

http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/mar2/morrell/morrell.html

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 5:31pm:

mellie wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 11:08am: Sorry to have to tell you this, but youth unemployment figures haven't been this bad since the 1960's. Quote: Had he not been so rude and demanding, I would have gladly put the proof up earlier, however I'm a little defiant in this way, particularly where rude aggressive trolls are concerned. You're still wrong. Youth unemployment was at 32% during the last recession. http://nils.flinders.edu.au/assets/publications/Unemployment_in_Australia_2.pdf

Could you please cut and paste a portion ,eg,  title, author, date, of this document please annie, as the link wont work for me for some strange reason.

Thanx.

:)

Your proof is looking a bit sad there mellie, there are hundreds of links I could post if you wish?

Look, Labor are historically known/renowned  for their pro-immigration "big Australia" ambitions, recall Golph Whitlem who was given the royal salute?

He lead the Labor party from 1972 to 1975....  which is pretty consistent with your referring to another youth unemployment crisis which occurred back in the 70's, and again, he was pro-immigration.

Perhaps Labor thought they'd get in first and sack Rudd themselves, before the Governor General stepped in again this time too?

Get the message....

Labor = immigration =  job shortages and slummery!

Liberal = a progressive sensible approach to economical management to ensure their commitments to social policy.

Labor are out for themselves...always have been under the guise of being there for the working class.

You only have to see how they treat each other and our more vulnerable, those less capable of defending themselves.

Youth, indigenous, disadvantaged persons, seeing a pattern here?



::) Say nigh nigh to Gillard and mass immigration.

Because it's all about to end.

We are full!i

Are you just going to go off on another little rant or admit you are either wrong or intentionally lied?

Interesting how Labor have cut ABS funding too, don't you think?

 ;) Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil?

Dream on!

cheers, bbl

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Look, Labor are historically known/renowned  for their pro-immigration "big Australia" ambitions, recall Golph Whitlem who was given the royal salute

Wrong again mellie, you dont get to much right do you?
the largest intake of immigrants into Australia actually happenned under Menzies, LOL silly duffer.

skippy. wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 5:53pm:

Are you just going to go off on another little rant or admit you are either wrong or intentionally lied?

Historically, irresponsible mass-immigration has adversely effected youth employment figures, wouldn't you agree?

It's just some Labor leaders were more overzealous than others I guess.  Funny how they don't last too long as leaders, are rather transient.

Any idea why this might be?



Something Labor aren't at all willing to concede, rather would prefer to say sorry for things their ancestors did instead.

Great diversion tactic, yes?

See, years ago, Labor had the advantage of strumming up support for their party via their unions, however, these days, people just cant be bothered attending their stupid meetings, listening to their BS, because they have more entertaining things to do instead.

I reckon Labor as a party are on their way out...  and predict a 3rd party will enter the arena sometime within the next 5 to 10 years.

People have had enough of their crap and bare faced lies.

No wonder they want to censor the internet and spy on voters, this and reduce funding to government sites who provide statistical information to the public re- the state of their country.

Sorry, but Australians are a wise up to their BS, this and don't think they need a great firewall of China.



Labor are cheats..next they will chopping our fingers off so we cant vote.

;D



Also, there's a difference between responsible and irresponsible immigration.

Ethical and unethical..

For the best interests of Australians, or for the best interests of politicians own investment portfolios.

I wouldn't trust an erratic  back-stabbing Labor party with my cat, much less our nations economy.

::)....

Immigration under Howard in 2003 was 60% higher than it was ten years before. Your partisan blindness makes you incapable of comprehending that Labor is not just to blame.

aikmann4 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 6:33pm:

Immigration under Howard in 2003 was 60% higher than it was ten years before. Your partisan blindness makes you incapable of comprehending that Labor is not just to blame.

Oh you wouldn't have a link to support your "theory"  there would you?

For according to some, (Ozpolitic reference nazi "skippy") it's a lie, until proven a truth....(black/white) unless you reference as per Ozpolitic faculty guideline complete with reference list/bibliography, and preferred numbering system throughout the body of your scholarly theses.

Because "It's ACADEMIC" you see, and we all know just how much Julia loved appearing on that afternoon children's program several months back, and think it may have been the first contact she'd had with an actual child-person.

Afterwards, a jurno observed her frantically squirting antibacterial hand cleanser into the palms of her hands out in the studio car park....muttering something or other about filthy buzzers and smacking breeders, and how we should expand our population by means of immigration only...  hmmm  I take it she wont be appearing on Play school then?

No, definitely not your suburban soccer mum our Gillard.

;)



Partisan blindness you're not wrong...

So I eagerly await your proof professor, if you don't mind.

8-)

Mellie, why does it bother you so much that Gillard decided not to have children? Would you care so much if it was a man making that choice?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 7:57pm:

Mellie, why does it bother you so much that Gillard decided not to have children? Would you care so much if it was a man making that choice?

Because normal women want to have kids and spend their life chained to the kitchen sink.

maybe Millie is tony Abbott in drag  ;D

Quote:

maybe Millie is tony Abbott in drag

;D

Deborahmac09 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 8:00pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 7:57pm: Mellie, why does it bother you so much that Gillard decided not to have children? Would you care so much if it was a man making that choice? Because normal women want to have kids and spend their life chained to the kitchen sink. maybe Millie is tony Abbott in drag  ;D

Perhaps that explains the Rudd/Gillard avatar.
Mixed up hormones??

It's just I fail to see how she might connect with parent voters, and or create meaningful policies concerning the health, education, and overall social policy/well-being of Australian family's with kids, (which by the way is about 99% of the human Population) without her having experienced such herself, not intimately anyway.
You know, the more I think about it, I think Gillard paid/threatened that poor old couple to tell the media they were her parents, because her father kept calling her Julian and referring to her as a man..,,wierd!
Perhaps her not having experienced childcare and education on a personal level may explain her failure to deliver on her child,  education (and care there of) policies?  Just a thought!


:)...  However I'm sure she'll appeal to a spawned mushroom republic?

There's just something inherently reptilian about her poo-eating grin dawnt'chu think, this and peculiar about her fundamentally barren policies also.

I take it mums not the word then?
;)


Look at moi Aushtraya look at Moooooiiiii (Her campaign slogan apparently)

8-)  I love Abbots honesty, and think he'd have a great sense of humour too...from what I've seen of Abbott, and with ears as big as that he'd need one too. Most people put a pencil behind their ear, Abbott puts the whole pencil case.
And most people who have distinctive features ie, (like Howards bushy eyebrows and monkey lips), tend to have a distinct brazen character and confident/blunt quality about them also.
You need this to cope with the ridicule of a fundamentally brutally honest Australian majority. Rudd was a princess, had tantys over hair-driers and bad airline food.
See, Libs have intelligence, resilience, experience and personality, whereas Labs just have stab-vests and mace...and lots and lots of tears.  :(

Ps, Gillards honeymoons officially over, just thought you'd like to hear it here first from me.

8-)i

Perhaps you should change your bait, it is getting stale.

Mellie, it's refreshing to see that you're focusing on important issues.
The facial features, private lives and vocal peculiarities of our politicians are vital when it comes to effective policy-making.

Go have a cry with Krudd.

;)

Think I will cry no matter who gets in. :'(

mellie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 11:08am:

Sorry to have to tell you this, but youth unemployment figures haven't been this bad since the 1960's. Put simply, Rudd immigrated more than we could accommodate, sustainably.... Thus put existing Australians out of work. 8-)

the mass importation of cheap labor began under Howard.especially during work choices  :P >:( thats why we see so many chinese.koreans,Indians ect.

But Labor started it!

Once the cycle starts, you have to slowly cull-back gradually, or else you will be left with someone else's nations ageing ethnic population...this is why immigration should have been more selective....nothing but the best for Labor though they sure know how to pick'em... ;)

HIV sharers, Muslim extremists, diseased ethnics with disabilities from violent 3rd world parts of the world who fundamentally resent our western way of life....this and don't wish to assimilate,.....nothing but the best for a BIG AUSTRALIA !!
8-)

Yes, Labor should say sorry to indigenous Australians, but not for their stolen generations, rather for their stolen opportunities since 2007 as we continue invading their land, only now with other nations people.
HIV is on the increase, especially in Indigenous communities, so the gap isn't really closing at all, rather it's widening as we speak.

Now Aboriginals have to get in line, and not only behind us, but behind our immigrants also. As they are our latest minorities you see, thus have rights too.
:)
Charity should begin at home!

Think of all that money waisted on building housing and detention centres  for immigrants, and how this could have been put towards meaningfully closing the gap for indigenous Australians.

You call this appalling revelation closing the gap?

He screwed them over, promised them the world and gave them an atlas.

They aren't stupid, they now know this themselves...his games up!

http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/06/04/closing-the-gap-rudd-overpromised-on-indigenous-unemployment/

Worst of all, he tried to hide this damning report.

Well, the cats out of the bag now...eh Rudda!

8-) Please explain!

Blowing our budget was a team effort, Rudd didn't act alone.

Poor/irresponsible economic management, end of story.

So lets not give Rudd all the glory.

___________________________________________i

LOL now you guys sound like kids arguing.
They did it, no they did it. They started it! LOL

Like I said, once the cycle starts, it's not easily stopped just like that, and due to our reluctance to breed ourselves  given kids are flat out affording to leave home before they're 30 these days, this and buy so much as a car without sinking into debt the all Australian dream has become a distant aspiration/memory for many Australians.

We are too busy working to feed our immigrants, much less our own would be if we could afford to have them children.


:)....  Thanx for that minor set-back labor, just as we were recovering and things were looking up for Australia, seniors will now be working until they're 104 so as to fund some Muslim with 6 wives welfare cheque.

Still we would like to call what's left of Australia home if you don't mind, this and try hard to restore it to it's former glory.i

Who bumped up the retirement age?

you gotta realise that Australia is the sort of place that is changing so fast (over decades, not weeks), that the political parties here have no idea how to deal with this, plus the fact that the best minds in the country actually don't go into politics - why would you!

It is sort of interesting to watch this phenomenon in this country, every new generation that comes along is very self-assured at the outset, they're comfy, can buy the latest gadget, etc, etc, then before they're 30 or so - EVERYTHING'S CHANGED! - they go back to the places they came from and they're completely different! In the major cities mainly.

It is an incredible irony that living in Australia feels like you're living in a sardine can because everyone is crammed into these couple of horrendous cities on the coast, especially Sydney. The rest of the place is like a ghost town really - plenty of room, hard to sell houses.

One day anglo australians could well be in the minority in this country, and the way the birth rate is, you could probably see that happening in a generation from now.

I always like this stat: Tasmania is roughly the same size as Ireland. Ireland has around 4 million people i think it is, and lots of immigration from Europe mainly. Tassy has around 400,000 mark, which is probably an ageing population like the rest of the place.
Did australians ever populate this place efficiently? Did we lose too many people fighting wars in Europe for mother countries, etc?
Neither of the political parties no what to do about this, it will just roll on like it has been.

but hey, it's really important to live near the Sydney Opera House isn't it.
lol.

Gillards father openly describes Tony Abbott as a formidable adversary, ...now I wonder who would have told him that?

8-) Not worried eh?

http://www.smh.com.au/national/gillards-dad-stunned-by-daughters-win-20100624-z0ga.html

I think Tony has a little something in his back pocket tucked away for for uncle Ron.

Looks promising... if what I heard tonight is true.

Ironic how Gillards father has more to say about Abbott than Gillard herself.

8-)..Do you see Abbotts parents promoting him, this and fighting his battles, ...involving them in his work?

Remember to keep your personal life separate Julia, makes you look fragile, inexperienced, girly and unprofessional.

Daddys little girl  ;)

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 10:40pm:

I always like this stat: Tasmania is roughly the same size as Ireland. Ireland has around 4 million people i think it is, and lots of immigration from Europe mainly. Tassy has around 400,000 mark, which is probably an ageing population like the rest of the place. Did australians ever populate this place efficiently? Did we lose too many people fighting wars in Europe for mother countries, etc? Neither of the political parties no what to do about this, it will just roll on like it has been.

I think I might like to move to Tasmania.

But lets keep this quiet, ok..

;)..or else they might follow us.

MIllie seems to think that they do not have the right to feel proud of their daughter.
Stiff Millie!
As a mother I am very proud of my son. I won't hide it to please the likes of you.


Maybe he overstepped, but perhaps he really doesn't like Abbott like a lot of others.

Deborahmac09 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 11:13pm:

MIllie seems to think that they do not have the right to feel proud of their daughter. Stiff Millie! As a mother I am very proud of my son. I won't hide it to please the likes of you.

What a crock of pood...Gillars hogging the media at present, but trust me, not for long.

8-) She will have fizzled out by the time the election is called, and even daddys vote will be exhausted.

;D

We know which way it is going to go Millie.
Neither party are interested in helping all Australians. It is one or the other.

one or the other, and the opposite the majority in the Senate.
They don't like that, and it keeps us safe.

Lol, the rangers just trying to appeal to the mining companies, daddys from a mining background you see.

What sort of mining?

Data mining apparently   ;)

Do tell Julia, we are very interested in seeing more of your baby photos, hearing from your parents, jeeze, it's like you are a household name, like we've known you for years even?

Princess Julia even?

hahahah

Those baby photos were stolen, just like her policies, and her real parents are gagged and bound in a nursing home...
;)....

However...
there was a mysterious unsolved murder in the Gillard family so I'm told, was she of any relation?

;D If not, Gillard certainly took an interest in the case, this and her political career sky-rocketed after the mysterious death of a Gillard family member...of which is believed to have been under-world related.

Naaa, probably just a coincidence, I mean, with Gillard being such a common name and all...sigh~

8-)...From industrial lawyer/union organiser to PM in 12 years.

Except equal, people do not get that yet!

Is she an Australian citizen even?

8-)...not that this really matters, if anything, this would give her an edge....  female, migrant, atheist, feminist, pro-gay rights/marriage, all thats left to appeal to the left is ...  um, lemmy think on it, cos I think that pretty well covers the minion vote.

She's a pretentious bull-poo artist, the best Labor had to offer given their holy grail of destruction.

8-) Ps... there's a bit of a discrepancy re- her gay support, however I will get back to you on this.

Night!
:D

Oh mellie, so much hate yet such little brain cells.

Oh Skip, are you trying to be a troll?

If so, you might like to work on your technique, because I'm not feeling overly offended or even insulted here.

Rather am getting mixed feelings here, as though someone from a sheltered workshop has thrown a rock or the contents of their adult nappy at me through their special bus window.
humour, pity, mild discomfort.... but most importantly tolerance and understanding.

It's ok, I understand, and know you didn't mean it Skip.

Would you like to do some water play or paper craft for the afternoon instead?

Because I have to leave shortly..unfortunately, though will come back later on.

:)

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Are you trying to be a troll? If so, you might like to work on your technique, because I'm not feeling overly offended or even insulted here

Good ,its not my aim to offend, just point out the obvious.

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It's ok, I understand, and know you didn't mean it Skip.

Mean what? that you have a low quota of brain cells? I'm sure everyone has already worked that out,mell.

mellie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2010 at 11:15pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Jun 29th, 2010 at 11:13pm: MIllie seems to think that they do not have the right to feel proud of their daughter. Stiff Millie! As a mother I am very proud of my son. I won't hide it to please the likes of you. What a crock of pood...Gillars hogging the media at present, but trust me, not for long. 8-) She will have fizzled out by the time the election is called, and even daddys vote will be exhausted. ;D

Hogging the media???

Are you serious? Regardless of how you feel or who you vote for, Australia has it's first female PM....Earth to Mellie...that's called news worthy.

Just a stupid statement really. Now I'll let you get on with your sour grapes. :)

The libs for me. They do finance well.  I'll not waste my vote on the wacky greens.

phantomlady wrote on Jun 30^th, 2010 at 3:10pm:

The libs for me. They do finance well.  I'll not waste my vote on the wacky greens.

Yes yes, another rubber stamp Government who can abuse their power.
Understand this, labour or Liberal, it does not matter, as long as neither hold the majority of power in the upper house. The Government because they abuse their power, the opposition because, if the Government want it done, they will stop it. Someone else has to hold the balance, and not be like Meg bloody Lees!
Until people understand that, Australia is doomed by a Government who will only look after the rich or the poor, never both.

lol. NSW labor has just scored 26% approval rating in polls in western sydney, I think it is. Apparently the lowest rating of any government in the history of political opinion polls in Australia. At the same time, NSW holds the most federal seats. The way NSW goes, so goes the country apparently. labor is certainly on the nose. Lady Gillard sure looks isolated in the television coverages to me.
I can feel a electoral tsunami coming.