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. Julia Gillard won't just win the next election, she will increase Labor's majority. Kevin Rudd was Labor's biggest problem, not the policies his government has enacted, not the personnel in his parliamentary team. The published polls and the internal party polling all showed Rudd had become a drag on Labor's vote. It is a big call to depose a first-term prime minister, but it was the right thing for Gillard to do. We all knew even if Rudd won the next election he wasn't going to last very long in the aftermath. At least this way Gillard is letting the Australian people decide who they want to run the country after the election - her or Tony Abbott. Of course the first few weeks of Gillard's prime ministership are going to be critical to how she performs at the next election. Lindsay Tanner's planned retirement is a major blow. If Gillard stumbles, my prediction stumbles with her. She needs a good start to move on from the chaos of recent days. Judging by her first speech as PM and her first question time performance, Gillard has what it takes to make Abbott look shrill when he attacks her. Abbott's poor personal ratings might not have mattered when the prime minister was more unpopular. But if voters give Gillard a chance, such a honeymoon will turn attention back on to Abbott. That will flow on to attention to his policies, his team, and whether the Liberals have learnt the lessons of Howard's defeat. Voters don't like to admit they were wrong and that is what they would be doing by ousting Labor after just one term. With Rudd at the helm voters were seriously considering it; with Gillard they might decide to give Australia's first female PM the time she needs to succeed or fail on her own terms. Abbott wants to remind voters that it is the same failed government with a different leader. That argument only works if voters agree that Labor has been a failure. Yes they have had their problems, major problems, including with policy delivery. But the three biggest problems with Rudd's first term were his autocratic style, his sudden unpopularity and his unwillingness to consult. All three are now gone, so watch out Tony Abbott, I say.

"Voters don't like to admit they were wrong and that is what they would be doing by ousting Labor after just one term."

...and that's the labor strategy for getting re-elected is it?
Pathetic numpties.

The funniest thing about that story? do you know liar boy?

labor anger when they're in power is nowhere near as entertaining as when they're booted out. Rudd knows about that. Very exciting for him.
You know the old labor saying: Up like a skyrocket, down like a burnt stick.
Just hope the economy doesn't come down with them.

As I indicated elsewhere, the Libs have made a HUGE mistake, in attacking the Labs for the manner in which they outsted Rudd...

They've now dug themselves a huge hole - cos they will look like even bigger fools and hypocrites if/when they do as they MUST do, if they want to be in with a chance to defeat the Gillard Govt...

They MUST do the same (or worse) to Abbott, in order to secure a semblance of a chance of winning the next election...

Problem is, Abbott's pathetic little speech in QT was a cunning stunt - a self-serving plea (and perhaps even a thinly-veiled threat of grave consequences)...

Perhaps he correctly senses that there are internal moves afoot against him...!?

At the time of his surprise-ascension, I pointed out that the nutjob Abbott is mentally ill (bi-polar) - and that he ought never have been installed as a temporary stand-in for Joe Jockstrap...

Minchin's Mad Marionette wasn't in on the party joke - he doesn't think he's a puppet and he's delusional enough to really believe that he's leadership material - especially since he's been heralded as the party's saviour to date...

I'm not sure that he will take advice on bad polling - rather, despite some self-doubt creeping in, he will probably keep the faith in himself and manically try to run with his heavy burden, whilst praying for a miracle on election day...

Will the Libs kick into self-preservation mode and sacrifice the Abbott bigot before the election - or wait for him to fall apart in shameful electoral defeat!?

Either way, don't shoot the messenger - for his blood won't be on my hands...

To borrow from religion again: as they sow, so shall they reap!

this new labor mob are a bunch of cunning stunts as well.
I wouldn't bet on Abbott not being there at the next election - you wish.

thy - i pretty much agree with that article. Rudd was a gonner.

julie is going to be MUCH harder to beat. if for no other reason than she is a woman.
the libs may have to install bishop or another woman after the election.

women will vote for gillard, some men will cause she is the first woman PM.
same as obama, he got LOTS of votes cause he is black.

there'll be a lot more men who won't vote for labor now, I predict. You better hope the women don't start voting libs as well. Then there'll be an historic landslide against labor.
Gillard will have to perform, not just have a nice different colour hairdo everyday. There are still enough Australians not "re-programed" by labor propaganda at this stage not to fall for that one. But you keep waiting, the labor party might be able to dumb down the entire population give it another fifty years or so.
Hmmm, except for that ageing population, eh. Gee where can we import more left-wing voters from?

anyway, middle ground Australians know how to vote now - make sure it's a hung parliament by voting the opposite side into a majority into the senate so labor can't stuff things up to much. Then hope for a double dissolution.

I am no Labor voter - but I make no secret, that I greatly admire Gillard - and not just because she's a successful woman...

Sure, she's gotta be special, to have risen above the multi-storey steel-reinforced glass ceilings of the ol' boy pollies - and she rivals the best parliamentary performers, with her sharp wit and steely resolve - but she is also a person of great integrity, altruism and humanity...

Since she's been compared with Obama - I'll draw my own comparison with her: they both want to make a positive mark on this world, by breaking down self-serving greed and bigotry, to leave stable and sustainable socio-economic and environmental legacies...

Unfortunately, there are many people who would undermine and cut each of them down, out of their own paranoid prejudicial fears and bigotry alone...

they need to perform not just mouthe smart rhetoric. So far it's rhetoric. Nothing's changed.
Today we hear they are "digging deep", back to the grindstone stuff.
I hope that means they aren't going to bring in more new taxes to fund their out of control deficits.

gee thank goodness those massive deficits saved us from the GFC; we would have been in real strife, mate, if we had've had that massive surplus still in the bank.
Can't have that, it would look like we're not doing anything.

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thank goodness those massive deficits saved us from the GFC

But you said Australia was in a recession.What did they save us from?

Forget what the Labs do, now the Libs have to spit out their sour lemons - and try to run an election campaign without letting attack-dogs Abbott & Co out of the kennels to keep up their great big pisses on everything...

No chance - unless you ditch him, Abbott will be God's Gift to Gillard - the gift that keeps on giving...

You saying to ditch Abbott is a case he doth protest too much. He'll be there. But if he's not, who's the liberal deputy again?
Middle ground Australia decides for Australia, boy, not you people.

What did labor save us from, skip? They didn't.

Equitist wrote on Jun 25^th, 2010 at 4:07pm:

Forget what the Labs do, now the Libs have to spit out their sour lemons - and try to run an election campaign without letting attack-dogs Abbott & Co out of the kennels to keep up their great big pisses on everything... No chance - unless you ditch him, Abbott will be God's Gift to Gillard - the gift that keeps on giving...

The Libs have so little talent,I imagine Julie Bishop will want a go at Gillard, she'll use the " I'm a female too line"she'll probably be the one that stabs Abbott in the back.
Joe's got no balls, as we all seen earlier this year when he thought it would just be handed to him on a plate.

labor spent $20 billion in the first year of office, the entire national savings, then they spent multiples of that on feel-good, botched polices which were supposed to make them look good. Don't try and get out of it now. That's what people know; and if labor do get back in, the inflation will hit big time while they are in office, which will serve them right, because they caused it.

Have you got that proof about the Australian recession you say we are in yet?

labor broke the Treasury, runs up historic, unprecedented deficits, then wants to tax the community even more to pay for their stuff ups. Typical. They do it every single time. Don't vote for them.
You better hope the mining industry doesn't make them back down, because if they do, labor will be after YOU for more money - and/or they'll ride on the back of inflation to devalue their shocking overspends.

The recession evidence if you please?

you want a recession do you? Why so more people can vote labor to save them? Hang in there you'll get what you want. Again.

You stated that we were in one.

hey folks, the labor people say there's no recession, never been one, what are you talking about? Look at these stats, that will tell you.

Excellent use of stats, Synergyshift, thanks for that.

I wonder if the GFC and European meltdown might have something to do with the current/future state of affairs.

Just thinking out loud, you know.

you like my left-wing style use of stats? Thanks for that.
Yes the GFC and American and European meltdown has a lot to do with it, but hey, the labor party reckons they fixed it for us here. You know, they sent us a cheque to buy something with - that must have been it eh.

gee, who's gonna pay the deficits if the miners don't. Do we have to send the cheques back?

why's it gone quiet this half hour? Is half the board on their way home from their public service jobs are they?

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 25^th, 2010 at 4:59pm:

why's it gone quiet this half hour? Is half the board on their way home from their public service jobs are they?

Here's Thy...I'm baaaack...for the time being (and intermittently, being on a wireless mobile connection)...

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enter stage left.

...Snugglepuss...

if that's why you like doing. Don't hurt your back.

is that some sort of Gillardcode is it?

Crikey, SS...I've never even considered those cartoons as anything other than gratuitous, clean - albeit violent - fun...

I shall never feel entirely comfortable uttering those words again...

That said, I can't speak for Gillard and thanks for your concern but my back's fine...

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oh right, you're watching cartoons, I thought you must have been watching labor party question time or something.
Oh well, after the cartoons then. Got to get your priorities right.

LOL...I hope I haven't jinxed myself now - I was looking forward to a good long skate tomorrow (and my elbow has never come good since I broke it mucking around at Taekwando about 3 years ago)...

:-/

don't skate on thin ice, leave that to Gillard and snugglepuss. God's gift, you know.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 25^th, 2010 at 3:32pm:

thy - i pretty much agree with that article. Rudd was a gonner. julie is going to be MUCH harder to beat. if for no other reason than she is a woman. the libs may have to install bishop or another woman after the election. women will vote for gillard, some men will cause she is the first woman PM. same as obama, he got LOTS of votes cause he is black.

Bishop will never go up against Gillard!

 ;)

There is no doubt that Abbott will have to tip toe around Julia. I bet he is on the edge of his bike seat over it.  :-[

One 'bullshit' slip of the old tongue ,or if he comes down to heavy  & crap he will not look so good.... ;D

Treading on water..can he do it  :question :exclamation

If the heat is too much for Gillard she isn't up to it.
Why should she get special treatment, she wants to be prime minister, she needs to cut it. Australians don't want a wimp for a prime minister, and they won't take kindly to some anti-male feminista either - a lot of women don't like that sort of rubbish, and men definitely do not.
As Gillard said to Abbott yesterday, in her words: "game on". Ok then, she needs to be able take the same stuff. I have no pity for her. She did in the previous prime minister so she could step up to the wicket. Better be able to take the fast bowling.

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 25^th, 2010 at 4:15pm:

labor spent $20 billion in the first year of office, the entire national savings, then they spent multiples of that on feel-good, botched polices which were supposed to make them look good. Don't try and get out of it now. That's what people know; and if labor do get back in, the inflation will hit big time while they are in office, which will serve them right, because they caused it.

I think you forget that people are idiots!

Maybe they are just too tired to think properly.....  :D :D ;D

Accept it, Howard is gone and no one gives two crack pipes about what a Liberal supporter reckons is the truth!

 ;)  :D :D

The price of houses exploded and so did metrosexual attitude when Helen Coonan told all Liberal supporters to run a hot bath and get out the razor blades F&^#$ l  :D llybag l  :-? l !!!!!  :-[  :P :P  ::)

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 25^th, 2010 at 6:29pm:

If the heat is too much for Gillard she isn't up to it. Why should she get special treatment, she wants to be prime minister, she needs to cut it. Australians don't want a wimp for a prime minister, and they won't take kindly to some anti-male feminista either - a lot of women don't like that sort of rubbish, and men definitely do not. As Gillard said to Abbott yesterday, in her words: "game on". Ok then, she needs to be able take the same stuff. I have no pity for her. She did in the previous prime minister so she could step up to the wicket. Better be able to take the fast bowling.

You don't know what fast bowling is....  :D :D ;)  :o  ::)  :P :P :P

Gillard better know.
Don't vote for commies.

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 25^th, 2010 at 6:33pm:

Gillard better know. Don't vote for commies.

Oh-oh, the well worn idealess attack is underway: i bet Julia is packing the crack pipe in a desperate search for the correct way to handle this  right now,   :D :D ;D ;) :D :D! , ......................... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!  8-) :o :o 8-)

game on.

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 25^th, 2010 at 6:40pm:

game on.

Yeh, whatever a crack smokin' Liberal voter says I'll believe  :-? !!  :D

lol. I just heard Mark Latham say that as soon as Gillard's popularity starts to drop she'll be the next one to get the boot, like Rudd - and Latham, of course.

With friends like the labor party, who needs enemies.
Bunch of self-serving backstabbers.

what's crack?

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 25^th, 2010 at 6:48pm:

what's crack?

Maybe you aren't a Howard lover!

It's a drug that metrosexuals smoke to sound like cool fart when they don't sleep for a month! Geez, hard work being a silver spooner!

hey, I don't know about that stuff. You seem to. Put your silver spoon back in buddy.

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 25^th, 2010 at 6:16pm:

don't skate on thin ice, leave that to Gillard and snugglepuss. God's gift, you know.

ROFPMSL - thanks, if I fall through the flooboards I know I'm in trouble - since I'm an 80's revival quad roller skating tragic...

Quad skaters find it difficult to skate on ice - habitual style has too much power through the legs - and I was never much good at stopping on dry floors...

Funny thing too, is that it's still easier to skate backwards after all these years - others have remarked about this phenomenon (I assure you it's nothing to do with being a lefty)...

Anyways, clock tells me No.2 son has just finished his last dance class - so I'll be off...again...

Caio!



PS With the use of ROFPMSL, I hope I haven't double-jinxed myself!!

The 'gift' that keeps on giving...
Abbott, lie number 196#

Grasping victory, again
Mr Abbott has also changed his story about words he used to his coalition colleagues earlier this week.
A Coalition spokesman told the media that Mr Abbott said: "Victory is within our grasp. We are within reach of a famous victory", but later that day Mr Abbott denied he had used that phrase.

Tonight he was asked by Kerry O'Brien whether he used those words.

"Yeah, yeah. But that wasn't all I said. And the fact of the matter is no election is unwinnable. No election is unlosable," he said.
"There is no doubt we must have been within reach of a famous victory, otherwise the Labor Party would not have dumped their leader in a fit of panic about its prospects," he said.

On an earlier 7:30 Report interview, Mr Abbott said that he sometimes says things in the heat of the moment that are not absolutely correct, but the public can fully rely on his carefully scripted and considered remarks.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/25/2937612.htm

Hey Vegitamatey!

Since I can't get your links to work just by clicking on them, I'm wondering whether you've checked out the features in the top tool bar row...

If you slide your mouse over them from left to right, you will see that: the 1st one http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/brown/url.gif is for inserting links, the 3rd one http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/brown/img.gif for inserting images and the 12th http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/brown/quote2.gif is for inserting quotes.

Another tip, tho: links don't seem to work if they are posted inside a quote!

Hope this helps!

Cheers

Nem

vegitamite dynamite. God's gift to Gillard. Or something like that.

Thanks thy
from,  lady vegitdynamite....lol   :)

wrote on Jun 26^th, 2010 at 9:09am:

Thanks thy from,  lady vegitdynamite....lol   :)

No wuckers, Vegitamatey!

BTW, did you see that Bogey has publicly admitted to having a soft spot for you!?

http://au.messages.yahoo.com/news/politics/814773/


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By: bogarde73 Yesterday (3:44 pm)      Re:How demeaning to womanhood       yes it is, I flirt occasionally with vegie and quite often with danger.

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LOL!!!  I saw that. Will you be crossing over vegi? :D

Yep..I witnessed that little exchange..Im still scarred after seeing bogey going all soft and mushy..lol  :)

TONY Abbott saved us from the flawed ETS and he has now saved Australia from Kevin Rudd. To be able to get the prime minister's scalp from opposition is a testament to brilliant strategy and leadership. Kevin Rudd was tested and found wanting thanks to the actions of the Opposition Leader.


It Turnbull was still the opposition Leader, Rudd would still be PM.

It was Tone (not the carrot-top Jezabel) who  KOed Kevvie. Good one.

Soren wrote on Jun 26^th, 2010 at 11:07am:

TONY Abbott saved us from the flawed ETS and he has now saved Australia from Kevin Rudd. To be able to get the prime minister's scalp from opposition is a testament to brilliant strategy and leadership. Kevin Rudd was tested and found wanting thanks to the actions of the Opposition Leader. It Turnbull was still the opposition Leader, Rudd would still be PM. It was Tone (not the carrot-top Jezabel) who  KOed Kevvie. Good one.

You seem to have a lot of faith in the pious one, dear.

And I think the Jezabel is going to KO him - in the nicest possible way, of course.