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Title: Forum Rules Post by Lisa on Jun 20th, 2010 at 9:02pm
Hey all
As a new member, I've taken the time to re - read the rules for this forum .. and quite frankly I am happy with the rules which exist. If anything .. they seem very reasonable (to me). http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/forum-rules.html However, I do have the following concern : Does this forum allow the use of multiple ids?? The rules appear silent on this issue .. and unfortunately this is an issue for all forums. As I see it .. IP's which release more than 1 id onto this forum .. do so because the ONE person behind the multiple ids, has a malevolent agenda of some description. I can understand a (now almost extinct) scenario where partners or siblings etc may share the one computer .. but even so .. on other forums (such as Yahoo) .. the people in question have been very open about their association and they've logged onto the forum as distinct individuals so there is no ambiguity whatsoever. I am not referring to nor am I concerned with such (rare) circumstances here. I am referring to those who intentionally release multiple ids into the one forum even though they are the one person. I am of the opinion that such a practice should NOT be allowed and indeed should constitute grounds for suspension of all ids which that IP has released. Other forums function on this basis also. Your thoughts please??? |
Title: Re: Forum Rules Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 20th, 2010 at 9:16pm
Lisa - I don't think it's quite that simple.
IP addresses can change every time you boot up your computer & some people have special programs which change them all the time. It's true though that some people do have a static IP address but not usually full on flamers & trolls. |
Title: Re: Forum Rules Post by Lisa on Jun 20th, 2010 at 9:30pm
I understand this Bobby .. I am however referring to instances where the ONE IP releases MORE THAN ONE id into this forum.
I am being very specific here. |
Title: Re: Forum Rules Post by Thy.Equitist on Jun 20th, 2010 at 9:52pm
As far as I can tell...each ID can be associated with only one email address (actually, I know this for sure, because I tried to reserve my old Yahoo ID so as to prevent any would-be flamer from impersonating me...again...).
What I'm not sure about is: if it would have made any difference whatsoever, if I had tried to use a different email address and either used my own laptop or logged onto on one of my sons' computers to try to create an alternative ID... Either way, the only type of flamer that warrants banning is the type that repeatedly makes nasty personal attacks on individuals and/or groups... In my experience, most other flamers are at least midly amusing and mostly harmless... |
Title: Re: Forum Rules Post by freediver on Jun 20th, 2010 at 9:57pm
Multiple ID's are allowed, but not to get around a ban that has been put in place. People are judged on what they actually post, not on what their intentions are. People are banned, not computers or email addresses or IP numbers.
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Title: Re: Forum Rules Post by Lisa on Jun 20th, 2010 at 10:36pm
Ok .. so it's the PERSON behind the id who gets banned .. and once this happens .. this PERSON may not attempt to get around the ban by returning with another id. Correct?
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Title: Re: Forum Rules Post by mozzaok on Jun 20th, 2010 at 10:59pm
Correct Lisa.
FD has set a tone here where people are given a lot of freedom, but nasty, personal insults are not tolerated, racist and obscene behaviour is not tolerated, and threatening behaviour is not tolerated. We do try to not be too precious about it all, and we realise that sometimes people get worked up and may call someone an idiot, or moron, or whatever, and allowances are made for people saying stuff in the heat of the moment. Personally when I see stuff I consider borderline offensive, I try to contact the person and suggest that they self moderate, and go back and reword their post to replace any offensive language with something more suitable, the edit function is very useful in that regard. Stuff that is way over the line however, will be binned, and the offending poster warned about their behaviour. Grossly obsene or threatening behaviour however is more likely to just attract an immediate ban. The best way I have seen to get rid of trolls is to just starve them to death, anyone who is just seeking to provoke a response will usually give up eventually, once they realise they are not getting the response they tried for. ![]() |
Title: Re: Forum Rules Post by Lisa on Jun 20th, 2010 at 11:26pm
<< LMAO @ the ^^^ pic >>
Hey Mozza .. many thanks for your timely words of advice. Most of us are here to post our perspectives on various issues/topics etc and to chat to others. Personally .. I love the diversity which an online forum such as this engenders. To be brutally honest .. it actually excites me. I come online to be amazed by some of the posts I read .. particularly those reflecting a different interpretation of the world .. and I find it equally amazing when others see things the same way I do. I know that I personally need ONE ID and ONE IP in order to post my perspective. For the life of me I cannot fathom why another individual would feel the need to waste their time and life with different proxy IPs and heaps of multi ids. I guess I believe in the KISS principle ( Keep It Simple n Safe ). I'm funny that way lol :) Besides which .. I've got a life which basically means if I'm posting on this forum of an evening .. I am probably also answering personal and professional emails, monitoring a washing machine as well as a clothes dryer and as if that isn't enough .. I'm receiving calls from family members about problematic babies who refuse to sleep and who need nannying next weekend .. sighs ( <-- that basically sums up tonight ) So .. I use ONE IP/ID and I've got a life .. I'm weird that way .. smirk :) Anyone else out there who's also weird lmao :) |
Title: Re: Forum Rules Post by Annie Anthrax on Jun 21st, 2010 at 9:21am Quote:
If racist behaviour wasn't tolerated, half the members of this board would have been booted long ago. |
Title: Re: Forum Rules Post by muso on Jun 21st, 2010 at 10:23am Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20th, 2010 at 11:26pm:
I'll echo that sentiment, Lisa. If we all saw things the same way, the world would be boring. |
Title: Re: Forum Rules Post by locutius on Jun 21st, 2010 at 10:54am
Lisa, yeah I'm wierd like that as well. I'm prepared to take ownership of what I say. And apologise or change my view when I get it wrong. But also fight hard for what I honestly think.
Annie, can you take this further...I have certainly read people that have expressed "racist views" and "apparently racist views". I say apparently because there are times when the label is just slung around and there are times when some may have a cultural criticism and that is incorrectly labelled. There are also some that genuinely believe in gene superiority but they are usually confronted exhaustively and usually (unfortunatly pointlessly)...I will often leave comments, that some may think should be moderated, because I think others forum members should get a full spectrum of where other posters are coming from. There is one board here that I simply refuse to post on anymore and actually almost never visit. |
Title: Re: Forum Rules Post by freediver on Jun 21st, 2010 at 7:11pm
Actually, I don't like any kind of personal criticism, or praise. I prefer people to stick to the topic. The only reason people are given leeway is because we can't be bothered moderating everything that comes up.
If someone wants to make a serious argument in favour of racism, racial superiority, discrimination etc, they are welcome to. It is the posts encouraging blind hatred or ridicule that will attract our attention. Bottom line: If you see something you don't like, either ignore it completely, or report it. Just don't respond to it. The biggest problem we have as moderators is tit-for-tat exchanges that get out of hand, then people expect us to trawl through pages of their own BS to sort out who did what. We don't care who started it. |
Title: Re: Forum Rules Post by Imperium on Jun 21st, 2010 at 7:17pm
You mean like the Aussie/DARWIN/Mantra/Auzgirl saga of recent times?
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Title: Re: Forum Rules Post by froggie on Jun 21st, 2010 at 7:19pm freediver wrote on Jun 21st, 2010 at 7:11pm:
--- Bottom line: If you see something you don't like, either ignore it completely, --- Totally and utterly agree. After a period of being ignored the flamers usually fade into the sunset. |
Title: Re: Forum Rules Post by freediver on Jun 21st, 2010 at 7:23pm
Another good rule: leave your baggage at the door.
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Title: Re: Forum Rules Post by ethelsidebottom on Jun 21st, 2010 at 7:33pm
I fully agree with leaving the baggage at the door. As an example, let's say in another forum a poster admits to welfare recipient living in a 2 bedroom housing commision home in Hurstville, looking after 2 children and an elderly greek mother.
Then on other forums, the same poster talks about extravagent lifestyles, drinking earl grey tea from antique cups ( she is a collector you know) and posts lyrical poems written by her new zealand squire Golden Breed (or similar). And this poster now wants to be a serious poster in here? LOL ;D |
Title: Re: Forum Rules Post by Lisa on Jun 21st, 2010 at 9:59pm
Given the troll presence ^^^ ... good to re iterate this sentiment ( many thanks again Mozza for posting this last night)
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Title: Re: Forum Rules Post by Lisa on Jun 21st, 2010 at 10:02pm muso wrote on Jun 21st, 2010 at 10:23am:
EXACTLY!!!! Vive le difference I say lol :) |
Title: Re: Forum Rules Post by Lisa on Jun 21st, 2010 at 11:24pm locutius wrote on Jun 21st, 2010 at 10:54am:
Hey Locutius .. pleased to see you. Oh and I quite liked ^^^ As it so happens .. I'm like that (especially in real time). In cyberspace .. I tend to read a lot and then think about what others have posted. On RARE occasions, I respond with a simple "Hmmmmmm ..." which basically means "oh wow .. you've got my undivided attention with that post AND you're challenging my core values .. so I'm going to need some time to rationalise and resolve what appears to be a confronting dilemma". On other occasions .. I read posts and think (and at times I even post back) "that's pure unadulterated bovine faecal matter" OR "that's BS of the highest order". Naturally .. I follow through with an outline of reasons which underpin my conclusions (although lately I've not had much time given that the end of month/financial year is on our doorstep .. grrr). I acknowledge the fact that I've got some pretty strong opinions about certain issues (which I feel will probably never change no matter what lol). These tend to be experiential knowledge based .. and as I am in my 40th year (far out that sounds SO OLD) .. I've seen quite a lot. Even so, learning is a continuous process for me .. and I know that each day presents many precious opportunities to discover something new about the world (and also myself). In assessment and training (which is an area I specialise and consult in) .. we often use the following: “Education is the process in which we discover that learning adds quality to our lives. Learning must be experienced.” William Glasser “Experience: that most brutal of teachers. But you learn, my God do you learn.” CS Lewis “I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." Maya Angelou |
Title: Re: Forum Rules Post by freediver on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 5:45pm Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 21st, 2010 at 9:59pm:
Do you see the irony there? |
Title: Re: Forum Rules Post by Lisa on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 6:31pm
Shhhh ..
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Title: Re: Forum Rules Post by freediver on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 6:32pm
I actually find that sort of thing really annoying.
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Title: Re: Forum Rules Post by Lisa on Jun 22nd, 2010 at 6:36pm
Meh .. I can live with that .. smirk :)
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