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Message started by Paella on May 20th, 2010 at 12:09am

Title: The Dunning-Kruger Effect
Post by Paella on May 20th, 2010 at 12:09am
Well this explains a lot ...

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/scienceshow/stories/2010/2893602.htm#transcript

Title: Re: The Dunning-Kruger Effect
Post by mozzaok on May 20th, 2010 at 9:45am
Yep, no surprises there.
Some people get the idea that if they manage to produce a single cohesive thought, that they are thenn the smartest person who ever lived.

It was similiar to the Downing study from way, way back, which showed just how many were so dumb, that they did not realise how dumb they were.

Title: Re: The Dunning-Kruger Effect
Post by locutius on May 20th, 2010 at 12:52pm
Oh god I love it.

I have been trying to explain this very phenonema to my wife for years..

She comes from a mediterranian background where the men are usually full of machismo BS and can't be seen to faulter or pause so she says to me "if you're so smart how come you can't just come out and give instant replies to my questions you uhm and arh, I'm used to the take command answer"...

Because I say, "most of the time these guys answer questions without having a F#@KING clue what they are talking about...but your own expectations illustrate the very encouragement they need to keep doing it."



Title: Re: The Dunning-Kruger Effect
Post by helian on May 20th, 2010 at 1:26pm
Ignorance breeds certainty.

Title: Re: The Dunning-Kruger Effect
Post by locutius on May 20th, 2010 at 1:37pm
Oh, I'm absolutely positive that's the case.

Title: Re: The Dunning-Kruger Effect
Post by locutius on May 20th, 2010 at 2:14pm
Actually this disorder really becomes apparent to anyone who interviews prospective employees and is then able to follow the employees' work history for a period of time.

It was the ones that uhmed and arhed about certain technical questions and infact asked questions back for clarification that were ALWAYS the best choice, ...they knew more, learned more easily and had greater flexibility in problem solving. The cocksure, I can do anything are the ones that end up having a warrenty rate 10 and 20 times the norm.

Eg, I was probably 10% slower in my work than most of my equally qualified colleges...but my warrenty/call back rate was in the order of .3% (3 jobs per 1000) most of the others were around 30 per 1000 so it balanced out numerically but not economically....but the ones that thought they were the best were mostly in the triple figures, and one of the most delusional (would tell you he was the best) was between 200-250 per 1000. Lost a lot of respect for my then boss because of the character.

My part time job is to clean and set up a local cafe in the morning for the morning trade. They have the same person put the tables and chairs away every Sunday afternoon (I can always tell when this person has had to work a random evening shift).

This person shows incredible creativity in putting the tables and chairs away. It varies from week to week but has not ever been in anyway logical nor helpful to the person that has to put them all back out again in the morning. Hilariously, I'm sure this person is putting considerable thought into and feeling a sense of achievement. :o

Title: Re: The Dunning-Kruger Effect
Post by muso on May 20th, 2010 at 3:23pm

locutius wrote on May 20th, 2010 at 12:52pm:
Oh god I love it.

I have been trying to explain this very phenonema to my wife for years..

She comes from a mediterranian background where the men are usually full of machismo BS and can't be seen to faulter or pause so she says to me "if you're so smart how come you can't just come out and give instant replies to my questions you uhm and arh, I'm used to the take command answer"...

Because I say, "most of the time these guys answer questions without having a F#@KING clue what they are talking about...but your own expectations illustrate the very encouragement they need to keep doing it."



Reminds me of a Bigpond ad of a few years ago involving the Great Wall of China, The Emperor Nasi Goreng and rabbits.

Title: Re: The Dunning-Kruger Effect
Post by locutius on May 20th, 2010 at 3:37pm
;D ;D ;D Yes mate, good call. I'll pay that.

Title: Re: The Dunning-Kruger Effect
Post by Paella on May 24th, 2010 at 5:49pm
Dunning-Kruger at work:

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2655036.htm

An oldy but a goody. It still breaks me up.


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