I know it is only a silly environmentalist site, but we still came in at number 9, on their list of the top 10 countries destroying the planet.


Aussie, aussie, aussie, OI, OI, OI!!!

I must admit to being surprised about number 1 on the list, with the USA at #2, I had pegged what I expected to be the top spot holder before I started reading, but they did not make it above #3, with a lot of help from burning up the resources we are digging up.

http://www.care2.com/greenliving/top-10-countries-ruining-the-planet.html?&page=11

So come on aussies, if we just keep denying we have any problems, I am sure we can get even higher, although we have a relatively small population, compared to land mass, if we all just try and use a bit more, we can get into the top 3, of that I am sure.

There is something significantly wrong with the weighting system if Brazil comes out as number 1.

The fact that Mexico appears on that list confirms my suspicions that it's dodgy.

muso wrote on May 12^th, 2010 at 3:46pm:

There is something significantly wrong with the weighting system if Brazil comes out as number 1. The fact that Mexico appears on that list confirms my suspicions that it's dodgy.

Your reflex of not seeing the ridiculousness of Australia, your own country, being No 10 is telling.  This civilisation is wasted on you and people like you, Mr Musician. And I do not dislike you.
Imagine how those who dislike wishy-washy western  relativists like you would react.

;)

I haven't looked at the list, but I suspect that deforestation must have weighed heavily in the assessment criteria, hence Brazil's rank. But it's still a crock. The USA would have to be number one on the basis of consumption alone. Then there's the matter of its significant contribution to the global trade and finance agreements that are forcing Brazil to torch the Amazon in the first place.

We're not number one? I just turned all the lights and electrical heating devices in this house on and then left my SUV running in park. No way are we going to let a bunch of mutts and beaners have the better of us!

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I appreciate, and noted the fact that this came from a site that may be a bit on the "extreme" side, and does not even pretend that it is a comprehensive scientific analysis, but even so, even considering the limited, and unevenly weighted criteria being used, a little country like us making it into the top 10 is still noteworthy.

It is useful as a comparative reference for the issues the site focuses on, to see how we do have certain issues we could be handling in a more responsible way.

It is just a curiousity, and a talking point, and certainly too vague and unscientific to be basing direct policy decisions upon, but it highlights areas worth investigating further.

Soren wrote on May 12^th, 2010 at 9:05pm:

muso wrote on May 12th, 2010 at 3:46pm: There is something significantly wrong with the weighting system if Brazil comes out as number 1. The fact that Mexico appears on that list confirms my suspicions that it's dodgy. Your reflex of not seeing the ridiculousness of Australia, your own country, being No 10 is telling.  This civilisation is wasted on you and people like you, Mr Musician. And I do not dislike you. Imagine how those who dislike wishy-washy western  relativists like you would react. ;)

You do understand that the higher the number, the better the environmental performance? We just snuck into the top 10 worst performers.

National Pride has nothing to do with it. I'm just saying that the basis of the survey is seriously flawed, so the results of the survey are irrelevant, regardless of who comes 1st or 10th.  

By the way, I'm glad that you don't dislike wishy washy relativists. I must admit that I have a soft spot for anachronistic, sanctimonious absolutists myself.

muso wrote on May 12^th, 2010 at 3:46pm:

There is something significantly wrong with the weighting system if Brazil comes out as number 1. The fact that Mexico appears on that list confirms my suspicions that it's dodgy.

Are you aware of how much of the Amazon is being destroyed day by day, and the detriment this will cause if it continues?

Saifudeen wrote on Aug 12^th, 2010 at 7:21pm:

muso wrote on May 12th, 2010 at 3:46pm: There is something significantly wrong with the weighting system if Brazil comes out as number 1. The fact that Mexico appears on that list confirms my suspicions that it's dodgy. Are you aware of how much of the Amazon is being destroyed day by day, and the detriment this will cause if it continues?

Of course. I can understand Brazil being on the list, but not as number 1. In terms of CO2 equivalents, China and the US should be at numbers 1 and 2, and that's allowing for rainforest destruction.  

mozzaok wrote on May 12^th, 2010 at 2:28pm:

I know it is only a silly environmentalist site, but we still came in at number 9, on their list of the top 10 countries destroying the planet. Aussie, aussie, aussie, OI, OI, OI!!! I must admit to being surprised about number 1 on the list, with the USA at #2, I had pegged what I expected to be the top spot holder before I started reading, but they did not make it above #3, with a lot of help from burning up the resources we are digging up. http://www.care2.com/greenliving/top-10-countries-ruining-the-planet.html?&page=11 So come on aussies, if we just keep denying we have any problems, I am sure we can get even higher, although we have a relatively small population, compared to land mass, if we all just try and use a bit more, we can get into the top 3, of that I am sure.

Why us?  Never... ;)

It's a disgrace isn't it...it's a wonder our reefs still alive, much less endangered  ::)...Such a merciful beast is our coral reef, and so forgiving.

mellie wrote on Aug 15^th, 2010 at 12:04am:

mozzaok wrote on May 12th, 2010 at 2:28pm: I know it is only a silly environmentalist site, but we still came in at number 9, on their list of the top 10 countries destroying the planet. Aussie, aussie, aussie, OI, OI, OI!!! I must admit to being surprised about number 1 on the list, with the USA at #2, I had pegged what I expected to be the top spot holder before I started reading, but they did not make it above #3, with a lot of help from burning up the resources we are digging up. http://www.care2.com/greenliving/top-10-countries-ruining-the-planet.html?&page=11 So come on aussies, if we just keep denying we have any problems, I am sure we can get even higher, although we have a relatively small population, compared to land mass, if we all just try and use a bit more, we can get into the top 3, of that I am sure. Why us?  Never... ;) It's a disgrace isn't it...it's a wonder our reefs still alive, much less endangered  ::)...Such a merciful beast is our coral reef, and so forgiving.

You should preserve this post for posterity and re-read it about 25 years from now.

mozzaok wrote on May 12^th, 2010 at 2:28pm:

I know it is only a silly environmentalist site, but we still came in at number 9, on their list of the top 10 countries destroying the planet. Aussie, aussie, aussie, OI, OI, OI!!! I must admit to being surprised about number 1 on the list, with the USA at #2, I had pegged what I expected to be the top spot holder before I started reading, but they did not make it above #3, with a lot of help from burning up the resources we are digging up. http://www.care2.com/greenliving/top-10-countries-ruining-the-planet.html?&page=11 So come on aussies, if we just keep denying we have any problems, I am sure we can get even higher, although we have a relatively small population, compared to land mass, if we all just try and use a bit more, we can get into the top 3, of that I am sure.

When a country can not do basic stuff, like recycling bottles and papers; stopping wasting million tons of paper on useless junk mails; punishing modified cars and crazy drivers that making noises on streets.
Then it's sounds funny to talk about environment.

Is that why Asian never talk about the 'environment'?

Soren wrote on Nov 26^th, 2010 at 9:29pm:

Is that why Asian never talk about the 'environment'?

You look like racist? are you? why asian? When you talk about environment, don't you look at what German, French or nothern european countries do, what Japanese does? If you only look at what China or Vietnam does, even what US does? then you will feel happy for ever. You consume 3 times more carbon than world's average. That's the truth. so before talking about that luxury carbon exchange policies, just do something basic first. When you can do as well as Europe standard, you can come to laugh at asians.

wrote on Nov 26^th, 2010 at 9:57pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 26th, 2010 at 9:29pm: Is that why Asian never talk about the 'environment'? You look like racist? are you? why asian? When you talk about environment, don't you look at what German, French or nothern european countries do, what Japanese does? If you only look at what China or Vietnam does, even what US does? then you will feel happy for ever. You consume 3 times more carbon than world's average. That's the truth. so before talking about that luxury carbon exchange policies, just do something basic first. When you can do as well as Europe standard, you can come to laugh at asians.

I'll do it anyway. ;D

beer wrote on Nov 26^th, 2010 at 9:57pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 26th, 2010 at 9:29pm: Is that why Asian never talk about the 'environment'? You look like racist? are you? why asian? When you talk about environment, don't you look at what German, French or nothern european countries do, what Japanese does? If you only look at what China or Vietnam does, even what US does? then you will feel happy for ever. You consume 3 times more carbon than world's average. That's the truth. so before talking about that luxury carbon exchange policies, just do something basic first. When you can do as well as Europe standard, you can come to laugh at asians.

How long has Japan not been Asian????

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 5^th, 2011 at 1:12pm:

beer wrote on Nov 26th, 2010 at 9:57pm: Soren wrote on Nov 26th, 2010 at 9:29pm: Is that why Asian never talk about the 'environment'? You look like racist? are you? why asian? When you talk about environment, don't you look at what German, French or nothern european countries do, what Japanese does? If you only look at what China or Vietnam does, even what US does? then you will feel happy for ever. You consume 3 times more carbon than world's average. That's the truth. so before talking about that luxury carbon exchange policies, just do something basic first. When you can do as well as Europe standard, you can come to laugh at asians. How long has Japan not been Asian????

I think you're replying to a troll.  ;)

there is the intellectual and commercial space in this country to advance technologies like solar and hydrogen fuel technologies, but there is not a political will to do it because people keep voting slavishly for Liberal and Labor and Green party political names, without voting for policies.
2011 will be a big year. Mark this post. You may not have the choice after it is over.

shampain socialist wrote on Feb 9^th, 2011 at 3:58am:

there is the intellectual and commercial space in this country to advance technologies like solar and hydrogen fuel technologies, but there is not a political will to do it because people keep voting slavishly for Liberal and Labor and Green party political names, without voting for policies. 2011 will be a big year. Mark this post. You may not have the choice after it is over.

I have long thought that democracy will play a decreasing role as we start to do what we have to do.