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Political Parties >> Liberal Party >> Abbott turns against big business http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1268026708 Message started by JaeMi on Mar 8th, 2010 at 3:38pm |
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Title: Abbott turns against big business Post by JaeMi on Mar 8th, 2010 at 3:38pm Quote:
I don't understand why he is doing this. He shouldn't be supporting parental leave in the first place. What happened to the Liberal Party that defended businesses? If you are not working, you shouldn't be paid and you shouldn't expect your job should you attempt to return. If businesses voluntarily opt to advertise jobs with paid parental leave to secure employees then fine, but the government shouldn't force these conditions. |
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Title: Re: Abbott turns against big business Post by fawkes on Mar 8th, 2010 at 6:33pm Hlysnan wrote on Mar 8th, 2010 at 3:38pm:
Just think, JaeMi, if we had some real democracy here instead of the party system you support, it wouldn't matter what Tony Abbott turned against. |
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Title: Re: Abbott turns against big business Post by JaeMi on Mar 8th, 2010 at 7:02pm fawkes wrote on Mar 8th, 2010 at 6:33pm:
What do you mean by "real" democracy? Would you be referring to direct democracy? |
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Title: Re: Abbott turns against big business Post by sprintcyclist on Mar 8th, 2010 at 7:54pm I see little merit for the idea and much against it. totally NON right wing idea |
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Title: Re: Abbott turns against big business Post by DARWIN on Mar 8th, 2010 at 8:21pm
It is an idea the Mad Monk said would be introduced "over his dead body."
I think he is trying to get some media attention. |
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Title: Re: Abbott turns against big business Post by fawkes on Mar 8th, 2010 at 8:45pm Hlysnan wrote on Mar 8th, 2010 at 7:02pm:
There are numerous variants of so called democracy. A couple that I believe would be better for the majority of citizens are 1. some form of direct democracy, and 2. delegable proxy (as described in these pages at http://www.ozpolitic.com/electoral-reform/electoral-reform.html#direct-democracy ) |
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Title: Re: Abbott turns against big business Post by freediver on Mar 8th, 2010 at 9:15pm
It certainly doesn;t sound like traditional coalition policy, and certainly not something from the conservative end of the party. But remember, Howard introduced and absurd amount of handouts. I think the distinction between the two parties is disappearing, at least in ideological terms.
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Title: Re: Abbott turns against big business Post by Paella on Mar 10th, 2010 at 7:47pm freediver wrote on Mar 8th, 2010 at 9:15pm:
Whoa, freediver's on the ball! Did you just work that out, or have you been asleep since 1977? |
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Title: Re: Abbott turns against big business Post by soren on Mar 10th, 2010 at 8:46pm freediver wrote on Mar 8th, 2010 at 9:15pm:
Not necessarily a bad thing generally speaking, of course, and in the Australian context (stable liberal democracy), a good thing. Wishing for increased social polarisation out of boredom with stability and ideological consensus is a much worse thing than an increasing common middle ground. |
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Title: Re: Abbott turns against big business Post by fawkes on Mar 11th, 2010 at 9:26am freediver wrote on Mar 8th, 2010 at 9:15pm:
I have heard them referred to as Tweedledum and Tweedledee for almost 20 years. They will both embroil you in unnecessary wars, steal your savings through deliberate inflation, sell off our publicly owned assets entrusted to them to manage for us, lie and hide truth whenever it suits them, erode your personal freedoms on one pretext or another, invent ways of taxing you more so that they have more money to waste, and so on. A stable sham democracy that some people consider good because other places and other times have had worse. |
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Title: Re: Abbott turns against big business Post by Karnal on Mar 11th, 2010 at 2:24pm
Abbott's going for the Howard battlers. Abbott's a capital C conservative, not an economic libertarian.
All that tosh about the Liberal backbenchers putting him in his place if he doesn't consult more is ridiculous. There's no way the Libs'll try a new leader. Abbott will unite them just like his deity, John Howard, did. He seems like an approachable guy, and Malcolm wasn't. He's serving it up to Labor, but it's going to be a while before he can really get rid of his Catholic baggage and have the electorate support him. One day, he will give Labor a run for their money. The only other candidate they have is Joe Hockey, but I think he's now a bit too wet for the majority of the crusty old dinosaurs in the Coalition. Hockey has electoral support, but he hasn't quite got the balls to keep the Howard Conservatives in their place. Hockey can do this because he's one of them. |
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Title: Re: Abbott turns against big business Post by Karnal on Mar 12th, 2010 at 9:48am
Ah. And now Hockey's setting himself up as the party's libertarian.
In a speech he gave yesterday, he came down on internet censorship and the security laws set up by the Libs, which he voted for. Hockey's setting himself up as the champion of the wets. Abbott's the white knight of the far right. Watch the games begin. I like Hockey, but I'm sad to say that in this game, Abbott's climate sceptics will keep him where he is. |
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