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Title: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by abu_rashid on Jan 23rd, 2010 at 10:01pm
What happens when you let Christians into your country.
They take over (and now rule Nigeria), then slaughter you in your homes. Burning little babies alive. Is this what the Bible teaches???? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7XjFZSSF9Q&feature=player_embedded |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by sprintcyclist on Jan 23rd, 2010 at 11:00pm find the quotes yourself in the NT abu. there a re HEAPS in your ultraviolent koran |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by abu_rashid on Jan 23rd, 2010 at 11:03pm
Here's one for ya from the NT: "By their fruits shall ye know them".
There's nothing whatsoever in the Qur'an saying to kill kids, in fact it's EXPRESSLY forbidden, unlike your OT, where it's EXPRESSLY commanded. |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by JaeMi on Jan 24th, 2010 at 7:43am
I think it's more to do with the culture of the native people rather than Christianity itself. Australia, for example, is a majority Christian country and we don't have massacres motivated by religion. And obviously, burning babies alive isn't what the Bible teaches.
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by abu_rashid on Jan 24th, 2010 at 8:51am
Jaemi,
It's just because we're very secularised, so people here don't really believe too strongly in Christianity. Most Aussies attend church once in their life (per marriage) and once after. And the Bible most certainly does contain commands to murder little kids. |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by JaeMi on Jan 24th, 2010 at 10:30am
Just because there may be passages in the Bible that describe deaths of children, it doesn't mean that it is a command. Since you say that there are, could you direct me to them? And if it is in the OT, shouldn't it be in the Qur'an as well?
Italy and the Philippines are majority Christian countries, where most citizens are devout and go to Church at least once a week. I haven't heard of any massacres there. |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by muso on Jan 24th, 2010 at 11:32am
I know you're besieged by bigots, Abu, but Nigeria is a bad example. You know perfectly well that it's a tit for tat situation, and both Muslims and Christians have (by their own admission) been responsible for some terrible atrocities. For example a whole church full of worshippers (men women and children) were burnt alive in Northern Nigeria.
There are people from both sides of the conflict who are trying to defuse this terrible situation, but it's unfortunately very typical of sub-saharan Africa. http://www.christiantoday.com/article/nigeria.muslimchristian.clash.kills.over.40.people/25108.htm I posted this link before, but this is an example of how there can be hope in such a dark situation through postive bipartisan action: http://www.peoplebuildingpeace.org/thestories/article.php?typ=theme&id=93&pid=21 |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by abu_rashid on Jan 24th, 2010 at 9:52pm Quote:
Yes, it specifically states that God told them or commanded them to do it. As you can see in the passage below. Quote:
Here's one for a start: Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember [that] which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid [wait] for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. (1 Samuel 15:2-3) Quote:
It should??? How so? Quote:
You haven't?? I've heard of plenty of massacres of Muslims in the Philipines (which used to be a Muslim country btw, until the Christians invaded it a few centuries ago, and began eradicating the Muslims). In fact there was a massacre only a few months ago, by a proxy of Gloria Arroyo's government, who slaughtered about 50 Muslims who were on their way to register to participate in elections against her party's candidate. There has been constant violence there since the Christians came and occupied the country, ethnically cleansing the Muslims until today they only exist on a few small islands in the south. |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by Calanen on Jan 24th, 2010 at 11:06pm Quote:
It's not much use saying anything to you, but for the benefit of others reading. The difference is that God is telling someone to kill a particular person (Amalak) and his followers. There is nowhere anyone who says that this verse means christians have to kill everyone. In contrast however, the Koran has every general rather than specific directions to kill unbelievers. In addition, there is a huge following of people who are directed to kill unbelievers. The worst of it is not just the jihadis, but people like you who have no loyalty to this nation except that it may be a place that you can take over with your sharia mates. |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by abu_rashid on Jan 25th, 2010 at 12:11am
The Amalek were an entire race/nation of people.
Please, knowledge before participation, that's the rule in this thread. |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by JaeMi on Jan 25th, 2010 at 7:23am abu_rashid wrote on Jan 24th, 2010 at 9:52pm:
Here's one for a start: Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember [that] which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid [wait] for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. (1 Samuel 15:2-3) Quote:
It should??? How so? [/quote] Hmm, okay. I'll ask someone about that passage later. My view is that the Qur'an is a rewrite of the Torah or OT. Correct me if I'm wrong. Quote:
You haven't?? I've heard of plenty of massacres of Muslims in the Philipines (which used to be a Muslim country btw, until the Christians invaded it a few centuries ago, and began eradicating the Muslims). In fact there was a massacre only a few months ago, by a proxy of Gloria Arroyo's government, who slaughtered about 50 Muslims who were on their way to register to participate in elections against her party's candidate. There has been constant violence there since the Christians came and occupied the country, ethnically cleansing the Muslims until today they only exist on a few small islands in the south.[/quote] Muslims have never been a majority in the north, and their missionaries have never extended beyond the Visayas. If by massacres of Muslims in the Philippines you mean the crackdown on terrorist activities by Abu Sayyaf and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, then you have been misled. They are terrorist organisation who after the government generously granted partial autonomy to the MNLF in the regions of dispute, have continuously broken ceasefire with bombings targeting regular citizens. The Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao is still receiving 98% of its revenue from the Philippine Government and has yet to create its own sources of income. Can you imagine what would happen to the people living in places like Maguindanao if they were granted full autonomy with no reliance on the Philippines? |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by soren on Jan 25th, 2010 at 8:57am Hlysnan wrote on Jan 25th, 2010 at 7:23am:
It's a parody of both books of the Bible. |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by abu_rashid on Jan 25th, 2010 at 10:16am
Jaemi,
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There's quite a few more, so don't let your understanding of it be confused by the particular circumstances of that specific conflict. Which still could never justify slaughtering of little children and sucklings. That's a most abominable concept, which quite frankly I don't know how anyone could attribute to the Lord. Quote:
You're wrong. The Qur'an refers to some of the stories of the OT prophets, because they were true messengers of God. Likewise it refers to the Prophets of the NT and their supporters. If you approach this from the perspective of a non-believer in any of the books, then you would probably conclude "similar subject matter, same characters, must be a rewrite" I guess. From the Islamic perspective however, we believe that God spoke to people all down through their history, and that books like the OT and NT are remnants of that. And so it's not unusual at all that God might mention some of his previous prophets, as he did from time to time in other scriptures. Is the NT a rewrite of the OT, simply because it mentions Abraham (pbuh) or Moses (pbuh)?? Btw, Torah is not equivalent to OT. Torah is just one small portion of the Tanakh (which Christians roughly call the OT). Quote:
Really?? So there was never any Sultanate of Seludong (ie. what became Manila and environs)??? Interesting... I think you need to re-read the history on this. Quote:
No... I mean the army, and government-backed militias going to villages and massacring civilians. Someone here is certainly misled about this. The MILF was formed as a response to the Jabidah massacre in 1968, so please don't use circular reasoning to establish why the massacres have taken place. They took place before any such groups existed, and they were in fact the reason the groups were formed in the first place, to defend themselves against the massacres. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaQ84jTUpPc And as I mentioned already, only a few months ago, members of Arroyo's party carried out a brutal massacre of Muslims in Maguindanao. |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by sprintcyclist on Jan 25th, 2010 at 10:35am what a load of islamic decepti0n you drivel abu. eg, the great exodus is repeated in the koran many times. But not the prededing marking of door jams with lambs blood for protection. Both are very significant spiritually. moh mentioned one many times, the jews told him about the torah before he murdered them all. he could not/did not want to remember all the torah, it leads to christianity. why did he not mention the blood of the lambs? or did God forget about it ? abus deceptive, as muslims are told to be. |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by abu_rashid on Jan 25th, 2010 at 6:02pm
Was that English?? ;D
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by JaeMi on Jan 25th, 2010 at 8:01pm abu_rashid wrote on Jan 25th, 2010 at 10:16am:
No... I mean the army, and government-backed militias going to villages and massacring civilians. Someone here is certainly misled about this. The MILF was formed as a response to the Jabidah massacre in 1968, so please don't use circular reasoning to establish why the massacres have taken place. They took place before any such groups existed, and they were in fact the reason the groups were formed in the first place, to defend themselves against the massacres. And as I mentioned already, only a few months ago, members of Arroyo's party carried out a brutal massacre of Muslims in Maguindanao.[/quote] From what I know, the Sultanate of Seludong was only where the people who were in control were Muslims, and that the people and their culture and religion had not changed throughout that period. That video is obviously biased and unreliable. Where are the reliable sources? It's always "innocent families" but how would the youtube user know? The only people who really do know are those within the Philippine military. With the Jabidah Massacre, there is no proof that the recruits were murdered by Christians and for the reason that they are Muslims. |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by soren on Jan 25th, 2010 at 8:06pm abu_rashid wrote on Jan 25th, 2010 at 6:02pm:
yes, a transliteration of koranic verses. Apparently it's far better in the Arabic. |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by abu_rashid on Jan 30th, 2010 at 11:55pm
"That is the worst part, they were our friends". Friends? just goes to show how wicked a Christian can be, that they can mass murder their supposed friends. This is a similar story to Bosnia, where Serbs and Croats began slaughtering their friends and neighbours, just because they were Muslims.
Christian scrawling some blasphemous nonsense on the walls after slaughtering hundreds of Muslims, his 'friends'. Nigeria riots: 'Our homes were razed' By Caroline Duffield BBC News, Jos Awalu Mohamed was one of the first to arrive in the mining village of Kuru Karama to discover burned human remains and corpses thrown into communal wells and sewage pits. "There are so many, many corpses," says Mr Mohamed, of the Jamatu Nasril Islam aid group. He described how 62 corpses were pulled from the wells on the first day, but aid workers had no equipment to reach those further down. "We went to one family and found the entire family there, 20-something of them, including the small, small kids. All of them burned to ashes," he says. He covers his eyes. He - and other aid workers - realised they were overwhelmed. Mr Mohamed described how they removed the family's remains, piece by piece. They added them to the other corpses inside the wells. These wells are now being sand-filled, to become mass graves. Around the village, more bodies are being found every day. Those who tried to run from the gangs were hunted and cut down with machetes and guns around the settlement. "We could hear the noise. They were singing and chanting, they destroyed everything," says 20-year-old Zainab Sanusi. "They burned our house. We are left with nothing now, nothing." She fled her home, on the edge of Jos, to join 2,000 other people now eating, washing and sleeping together in cramped classrooms at a local primary school. 'Homes razed' Most of the people I met were Hausa-speaking Muslims but Christian groups say they were also attacked by mobs. Although they have not given any details of how many members of their community were killed. Across the region, many thousands are displaced. Everyone has a story to tell. "Suddenly, a team of security personnel entered our village," says Mohamed Kabir Mohamed, a miner from Anglo Jos village. "They told us to evacuate. They were chasing us out, allowing people in to burn our houses. "Later we realised those police and military men were fake, they were not wearing the proper uniform, the normal military boots. "When we talked, they opened fire against us. As we left, our enemies were busy razing our homes." He and his friends saw very clearly who attacked the village. ''That is the worst part,'' he says. ''Of those that came, there were known and unknown faces. The worst part is that those who were known, were our friends.'' The BBC drove through burned out suburbs, villages, and tiny settlements. The Bukuru Markets area - once a roaring hive of shops - is now a blackened bonfire under a blue sky. At least 1,000 businesses here were burned. It was after midnight and people were sleeping when a gang attacked, starting an inferno. Many people were too disoriented to talk - or too angry to make sense. The nearby mosque say they received 31 corpses. The number is hard to believe. It seems too low. Jos sits on a tense dividing line between Nigeria's mostly Hausa-speaking Muslim north, and the south where the majority is Christian or practise traditional religions. Nigeria map The town is predominantly Christian, with Hausa Muslims in the minority. But people here respect faith. Everyone insists this violence is not about religion. It is about politics, they say. Jos has an ugly history of violence at election times. Local politicians are accused of orchestrating violence to rig elections and intimidate their rivals. This time, there are accusations the violence is an organised campaign to drive Hausa Muslims out of the state. The state government denies that. It says it has given 30 million naira ($200,000 USD) to help the victims of the violence. 'Harmony in diversity' "I want the government to intervene on this," says Chibuzou Aghande, a Christian attending an emotional church service in Nassarawa, a few hundreds yards from where the first troubles started. The rebuilding of a house in Jos was said to be the spark for the violence "Because they know the roots of this thing. Because it is well planned, and they were organised for it. I want the federal government to do something and to bring to book those causing this crisis." Worshippers spilled outside the church and hundreds packed the pews inside. Some wept while others murmured responses to a charged sermon. "Our diversity is meant to create harmony, not disharmony," Archbishop Ignatius Kaigama told them. "Your gifts as a Christian should be put to good use so the Muslim can benefit. Your gifts as a Muslim should be put to good use so the Christian can benefit. "Imagine the values in the Koran. Imagine the values in the Bible. If we bring all of these together, imagine the fantastic world we will have." Source: BBC |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by helian on Jan 31st, 2010 at 9:33am abu_rashid wrote on Jan 30th, 2010 at 11:55pm:
So true... And as Muslims do to Christians. What an unconscionable evil religion is... And its greatest manifestation of evil... Theocracy. The depravity of the Islamic Republic will stagger the mind of Muslims, religious and the rest when it finally collapses in on itself under the collective weight of its crimes against humanity. |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by abu_rashid on Jan 31st, 2010 at 10:03am
helian,
If you want to make a thread about Iran, go for it, I'm not going to stop you. But in case you hadn't noticed, Iran and Nigeria are quite a few thousand km's away from one another, and in this issue, I really can't see the relevance of raising Iran. Quote:
They do?? Where?? |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by helian on Jan 31st, 2010 at 10:13am abu_rashid wrote on Jan 31st, 2010 at 10:03am:
Thousands of kms... but religion perverts the mind everywhere the same. You can't see the relevance? Don't worry, you will. Where? Baghdad. |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by abu_rashid on Jan 31st, 2010 at 2:10pm Quote:
There's no connection other than that you want to divert from one with the other. Quote:
The situations are just a tad different I think. In Baghdad there is an invadng/occupying Christian nation slaughtering the people. The Muslims there are fighting a Christian invasion force. In Nigeria, there's no such thing. In fact Nigeria is largely a Muslim country, which has been occupied by the Colonialist-backed Christians for about a century now. Likewise in Bosnia, there was no invading Muslim force to warrant the slaughter, it was just pure bloodlust. |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by sprintcyclist on Jan 31st, 2010 at 6:55pm helian - Quote:
absoloutely - any spiritual person knows that religious people deny it immediately |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by helian on Jan 31st, 2010 at 6:56pm abu_rashid wrote on Jan 31st, 2010 at 2:10pm:
There is not an invading Christian nation... There is a foreign secular nation's army currently in Iraq. You know this, Abu. If you are to be a liar, you'll need to be more deceitful. The Arab Christian community is being murdered into extinction by Muslims. At least do your perception of Islam proud by being more artful in your deceit. abu_rashid wrote on Jan 31st, 2010 at 2:10pm:
Yes, the evil that is religion dividing people as it always has. |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by abu_rashid on Jan 31st, 2010 at 8:04pm Quote:
They are a predominantly Christian nation. They print Bibles in languages to distribute to locals in Muslim countries. They have Biblical passages on their gun sights, they have tanks named "New Testament", they had Biblical passages relating to warring against infidels on the front page of their mission reports for God's sake!!! Bush himself said he was sent by God to do that work, and used the "C" word before retracting it. You can try to deny it, but the fact is there's a very Christian 'flavour' to the invasion/occupation. I'm sure if a Muslim country invaded Australia, but claimed to be all secular, Muslims here would still cop it. That's just the way things happen. Doesn't necessarily make it right. But after what's happened in Iraq, the U.S are the only ones to blame if you ask me. Like during the Crusades, Westerners couldn't care less about "oriental Christians" anyway, they consider them Arabicised and apostasised anyway, so if they die in the crossfire or the ensuing civil strife, so be it. |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by soren on Jan 31st, 2010 at 8:34pm abu_rashid wrote on Jan 31st, 2010 at 8:04pm:
One minute you sneer that Christianity is dying in the West, the next minute you are bellyaching that it is so strong that it is occupying muslim lands at will, laughtering like it the 12th century. One more small example, if any more were needed, of the ways Mohammedanism mixes persecution mania with triumphalism. Insane. |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by helian on Jan 31st, 2010 at 9:56pm abu_rashid wrote on Jan 31st, 2010 at 8:04pm:
Characterising the conflict as a religious war is the Islamic way of interpreting the battle in the only terms it can understand. The goal of the allies is not to install a Christian theocracy but a secular democratic state. And it would seem that the majority of Iraqis prefer a secular state to the nightmare of an Islamic Republic... And understandably so... As it would effect the denial of destructive political power to one of the most dangerous and evil of divides - religion. Obama Quote:
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by abu_rashid on Feb 11th, 2010 at 11:10am
New footage has just been released to al-Jazeerah from last year showed cold blooded executions of innocent Muslim civilians in the streets by the Nigerian police and military.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1hc1zKnLr0 |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by soren on Feb 12th, 2010 at 8:11am
Islamists separatists have created the kind of chaos that allows them to thrive. They are doing it everywhere - SE Asia, Africa, Middle East, Caucasus, England, Scndinavia, France - everywhere.
"The endless plaint of Muslim victimization is a cynical ploy by those who wish to rule, rather than be ruled. The Muslim in non-Muslim countries typically enjoys more freedom than he does at home. And that is his complaint. He is not free to force women to walk a pace behind him, to beat his children and murder his daughters if they disobey him, and to know that all non-Muslims are beneath his feet. And what good is freedom to him if he cannot have these things? Tolerance humiliates the Muslim, for in his storied past it was always he who had the choice to extend tolerance to the Kufr who were his social and political inferiors. The Muslim does not wish to be tolerated, he wishes to be obeyed. He does not want his beliefs respected in a plurality of beliefs, thereby equating them with the horrid beliefs of those he despises. He wishes that Islam alone be recognized as a true and unique belief, as the one true faith for all mankind. For by recognizing this, he becomes superior through it." |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by abu_rashid on Feb 12th, 2010 at 9:45am
So let me sum up your opinion there soren.
Muslim kills non-Muslim, evil Muslim. Non-Muslim kills Muslim, evil Muslim deserved it. Right-e-o.. |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by soren on Feb 14th, 2010 at 9:16pm abu_rashid wrote on Feb 12th, 2010 at 9:45am:
Crap. Show us just one people with whom the Muslims are not in conflict. If it's not with the infidels, then it is with other muslims. Even the Pallos - how many damn factions and divisions and hatreds do they have just with other Pallos, never mind the joos and the rest of the world that finances their decades of infantile petulance? You'd think they, at least, would have a clear enough motivation to unite. Can they? Of course they can't. If there was no Islamically-motivated politically manufactured conflict, they'd have to actuually get down and make a fist of being a people. No conflict, just work. No can do. Islam is conflict. Islam is in conflict the jews, christians, buddhists, atheists, hindus, secularists, other muslism (always with other muslims), everybody. The only people Islam in not in conflict with are the people (lucky buggers) Islam is not in contact with. Contact with Islam means conflict. Which is then followed by: "The endless plaint of Muslim victimization is a cynical ploy by those who wish to rule, rather than be ruled. The Muslim in non-Muslim countries typically enjoys more freedom than he does at home. And that is his complaint. He is not free to force women to walk a pace behind him, to beat his children and murder his daughters if they disobey him, and to know that all non-Muslims are beneath his feet. And what good is freedom to him if he cannot have these things? Tolerance humiliates the Muslim, for in his storied past it was always he who had the choice to extend tolerance to the Kufr who were his social and political inferiors. The Muslim does not wish to be tolerated, he wishes to be obeyed. He does not want his beliefs respected in a plurality of beliefs, thereby equating them with the horrid beliefs of those he despises. He wishes that Islam alone be recognized as a true and unique belief, as the one true faith for all mankind. For by recognizing this, he becomes superior through it." |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by soren on Feb 15th, 2010 at 10:49am abu_rashid wrote on Feb 12th, 2010 at 9:45am:
insh 'Allah, innit? Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Feb 15th, 2010 at 9:01am:
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by soren on Feb 15th, 2010 at 10:46pm abu_rashid wrote on Jan 23rd, 2010 at 10:01pm:
Villigers claim... cannot be verified... Muslim tribe... Christian tribe... You should not believe everything just because it's on the tele. Here's another view, from the Prior of the Augustinian monastery in Jos: One thing should be clear: when violent conflict breaks out in northern Nigeria between Christians and Muslims, it is never Christians who provoke it. ... Conflicts between "indigenes" and "settlers" have occurred in many parts of Nigeria, because, although the Nigerian constitution says that any Nigerian citizen is free to live anywhere in the country, in practice only the "indigenes" of a state are allowed the full rights of citizens there. The Jos Hausa settlers claim to be indigenes of Plateau, but Christian settlers are not treated as indigenes in states where Hausas are in the majority, such as Kano or Katsina. The "true" indigenes of Plateau, as I might call them, have not helped their own cause because they are not united, and have in the past allowed Hausas to acquire prominent positions in the state, and to acquire land. They have also tended to show as much suspicion of southerners, mostly their fellow Christians, as of the Hausas. In the series of crises that gripped Jos in 2001, in 2008, and now in 2010, the Hausa strategy has followed a pattern: to launch attacks on Christian lives and property (naturally including churches) in poor areas of mixed population lying on the periphery of the ghetto, so as to end the Christian presence there. When the dust settles, Christians are persuaded to sell their destroyed properties to willing Hausa buyers. The strategy has succeeded to the extent that the area under Hausa control has steadily grown. After the 2001 crisis they proudly called it "the Taliban republic". Within it, sharia law has been imposed, no functioning church remains, and no Christians live. On the other hand, in each crisis non-Hausas have fought back, and exacted revenge on such a scale that in the grisly calculations that follow, the number of Hausa deaths probably exceeds that of non-Hausas. Revenge killings of Hausas also occur in other parts of Plateau State. The crisis that erupted on Sunday, January 17 followed just the same pattern. But this time both sides used more guns than ever before. Moreover, the Hausas had the boldness to attack Christians even in areas where the Hausas are relatively few in number, such as Bukuru, lying beyond Jos to the south. As always, it is not easy to establish how the trouble started. But the story most commonly heard, at least among Christians, is that, that very morning inside Nasarawa, a peripheral area just east of centre, a Hausa man brought a large number of Hausa youths allegedly to help him rebuild (or extend) a building, which lies close to a church. The sand they shovelled (perhaps with deliberate carelessness) fell on Christians coming from the church; an argument started; verbal aggression soon led to physical violence. At once, Christians were attacked in peripheral areas throughout the city. But though taken unawares they fought back. The trouble continued on and off until Tuesday, when the federal government ordered the army to take complete control and a 24-hour curfew was imposed. The coming of the army proved a mixed blessing for Christians, because it is unanimously believed that a number of soldiers were Hausa militants in disguise and that they fired on Christians for no good reason. There's a full article at http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/features/f0000527.shtml |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by jordan484 on Mar 9th, 2010 at 3:01pm
NIGERIAN troops are patrolling villages near the northern city of Jos after the massacre of more than 500 Christians there that sparked international shock and outrage.
But survivors of the latest wave of inter-ethnic violence, in which women and children were hacked to death or burned alive in their homes, denounced the authorities for having failed to intervene in time. Relatives of the dead meanwhile attended funerals on Monday for the victims of the three-hour orgy of violence in three Christian villages close to the northern city of Jos. Witnesses have blamed the massacre on members of the mainly Muslim Fulani ethnic group, and according to media reports Muslims villagers were warned two days before attack via text messages to their phones. The security forces said they had detained 95 suspects in the violence. "We have over 500 killed in three villages and the survivors are busy burying their dead," said state information commissioner Gregory Yenlong. "People were attacked with axes, daggers and cutlasses -- many of them children, the aged and pregnant women." Around 200 people were being treated in hospital, said the information ministry. Much of the violence was centred on the village of Dogo Nahawa, where gangs set fire to straw-thatched mud huts as they went on their rampage. The explosion of violence was just the latest between rival ethnic and religious groups. In January, 326 people died in clashes in and around Jos, according to police although rights activists put the overall toll at more than 550. "The attack is yet another jihad and provocation," the Plateau State Christian Elders Consultative Forum (PSCEF) said. It had taken the army two hours to react from the time a distress call was put through and "the attackers had finished their job and left", they added. Acting President Goodluck Jonathan has already sacked his chief security adviser. John Onaiyekan, the archbishop of the capital Abuja, told Vatican Radio that the violence was rooted not in religion but in social, economic and tribal differences. "It is a classic conflict between pastoralists and farmers, except that all the Fulani are Muslims and all the Berom are Christians," he said. Fulani are mainly nomadic cattle rearers while Beroms are traditionally farmers. Locals said Sunday's attacks were the result of a feud which had been first ignited by a theft of cattle and then fuelled by deadly reprisals. Rights activists also said the slaughter appeared to be revenge for the January attacks, in which mainly Muslims were killed. The Vatican led a wave of outrage with spokesman Federico Lombardi expressing the Catholic Church's "sadness" at the "horrible acts of violence". UN chief Ban Ki-moon told reporters he was "deeply concerned", but added: "I appeal to all concerned to exercise maximum restraint. "Nigeria's political and religious leaders should work together to address the underlying causes and to achieve a permanent solution to the crisis in Jos." US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton urged "all parties to exercise restraint". She added: "The Nigerian government should ensure that the perpetrators of acts of violence are brought to justice under the rule of law and that human rights are respected as order is restored." Survivors said the attackers were able to separate the Fulanis from members of the rival Berom group by chanting 'nagge,' the Fulani word for cattle. Those who failed to respond in the same language were hacked to death. Witnesses said armed gangs had scared people out of their homes by firing into the air but most of the killings were the result of machete attacks. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/appeals-for-calm-after-nigerian-sectarian-slaughter/story-e6frf7lf-1225838731017 Tit for tat religious nonsense. Christians kill muslims......Muslims kill Christians (despite abu's denials, they do, they have, they will again) in this neverending bullshit known as religion To hell with all your religions, your gods and your self professed superiority! |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by mozzaok on Mar 9th, 2010 at 3:25pm
Once again we have a muslim offering an example of an atrocity perpetrated by non-muslims, which we are supposedly expected to use as an example that Islam is not the driving force behind Islamic violence, but just a few bad eggs are responsible, like the case used here, which showed the evil done by bad christians.
It is like his threads where he finds examples of singular acts of vio;ence by deranged non-muslims to try and show that not all terrorists are muslims. Abu, if you want to get into a statistical analysis of Islamic terrorist numbers, and specific Islamist terrorist acts, and compare that against every other religion, race, and culture on the planet, do you want to put money up that your team is not leading by the proverbial country mile? Instead of trying to disseminate the lie that Islam is not the greatest problem in regard to terrorism that the world has known, perhaps speaking out in mosques, and other forums that muslims frequent, and roundly denouncing the violent extremists as un-Islamic psychopaths, you may actually do some good for your religion, by actually discouraging ignorant people from supporting them, and thinking of them as their brothers, when in fact they are the greatest threat to Islam there is. |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by abu_rashid on Mar 10th, 2010 at 6:03am Quote:
Mozza, the truth is, if you were honest enough to count all violence against innocents, then the Muslims would be seriously lagging behind, and the Western Christians would be the clear leaders, and I think deep down you know this. That's why the West invent this crap like "terrorist" to skew such numbers in their favour. |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by jordan484 on Mar 10th, 2010 at 6:37am
Nothing to say about the Christian children hacked to death by Muslim's with machetes? Not appalled by this? Oh that's right, it's ok because Christians killed Muslims. Allah wants Muslims to kill Christian children. Nice God you have there, abu.
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by abu_rashid on Mar 10th, 2010 at 2:24pm
Of course I am appalled when children, women and even innocent men are caught up in such things Jordan.
It's actually you who weren't appalled when the victims were Muslims just a few months ago. |
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Title: Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Post by jordan484 on Mar 10th, 2010 at 3:10pm
Rubbish. That was just as disgusting.
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