It turns out that Mathematicians have been wrong for centuries about the value of Pi. In a new publication by a Swedish mathematician, the value of Pi has been proven conclusively to be 3.125.

Here is the link to that important piece of work. Note that he has put his money where his mouth is. If you find a single error in his book, you can win 300,000 Swedish Crowns.

http://www.correctpi.com/

I challenge anybody to find a flaw with this treatise.  

Of course, big business have a vested interest in hushing up this important piece of work.

A group of researcher have recent proved that the structural defects in the Twin Towers were due to the incorrect value of Pi being used in its design.

It also highlights a major deficiency in the climate modelling currently being used by the IPCC and clearly shows that man could not have landed on the moon. By using the incorrect value of Pi, they would have actually landed 2.3 million miles, or almost 5% short of the mark.  

That's pretty amazing after all these years.
And a possible explanation for the twin towers collapse also? That's huge.
It might explain why the population has slowly been getter fatter too  :P

Amadd wrote on Oct 4^th, 2009 at 3:02pm:

That's pretty amazing after all these years. And a possible explanation for the twin towers collapse also? That's huge. It might explain why the population has slowly been getter fatter too  :P

Do I detect a note of skepticism?????  >:(

I'll have you know that this new theory is endorsed by such authorities as (esteemed science advisor to Walter Cronkite) Richard Hoagland:

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Richard_C._Hoagland

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Do I detect a note of skepticism?????

Nooooo...not skeptical at allllll - or sarcaaaaastic either.
3.125 is far simpler than trying to remember that endless string of numbers.

And it's now obvious that the population has been getting fatter because for all these years we've had too much Pi.  ;D

amadd - hahahaha

3.1415926535 - from memory

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3.1415926535 - from memory

Yeah I had about that many memorised at one stage, because you never know when you might need them  :-?
I checked it out, and you got it spot on.
Here's a few more if you want to extend yourself.
3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510......

What is it with memorising Pi? I did that too when I was younger.  Some chicks dig that kind of stuff  ;D

Ok , enough levity - Back to the latest research on 911:

http://www.youtube.com/v/lBuH8NNIBys&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&

;)

Amadd wrote on Oct 6^th, 2009 at 9:35am:

Quote: 3.1415926535 - from memory Yeah I had about that many memorised at one stage, because you never know when you might need them  :-? I checked it out, and you got it spot on. Here's a few more if you want to extend yourself. 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510......

Check this one out. Daniel Tammet the Aspergers syndrome savant who recited pi to... wait for it... 22500 decimal places from memory.  :o

Daniel Tammet reciting PI

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and clearly shows that man could not have landed on the moon. By using the incorrect value of Pi, they would have actually landed 2.3 million miles, or almost 5% short of the mark

I knew it was faked. ;D

Unconfirmed reports now state that numerous advocates are streaming to support the new value of Pi. These include Richard Lindzen, and Christopher (screaming lord) Monkton, who has agreed to do a peer review, since he's a fully qualified peer.

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnNews:I_Am_Not_An_Al_Gore_Denier_-_Richard_%22Dick%22_Lindzen

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/f/fa/Richardlindzen.jpg

Dick Lindzen is an asexual scientist with perfectly legal financial ties to legitimate tobacco and oil companies. He has recently been diagnosed with lung cancer. Proceeds from donations to the Lindzen Foundation all go toward finding the real cause of his condition.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 6^th, 2009 at 9:59am:

Amadd wrote on Oct 6th, 2009 at 9:35am: Quote: 3.1415926535 - from memory Yeah I had about that many memorised at one stage, because you never know when you might need them  :-? I checked it out, and you got it spot on. Here's a few more if you want to extend yourself. 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510...... Check this one out. Daniel Tammet the Aspergers syndrome savant who recited pi to... wait for it... 22500 decimal places from memory.  :o Daniel Tammet reciting PI

That was fascinating and amazing. It's incredible how much the brain is capable of calculating and absorbing.

mantra wrote on Oct 7^th, 2009 at 4:59pm:

That was fascinating and amazing. It's incredible how much the brain is capable of calculating and absorbing.

Tammet is a bit of a freak of nature. I saw a documentary on him where he learned to speak conversational Icelandic (one of the most difficult European languages for foreigners to grasp) in a week (yep, seven days) from the get go having no knowledge of even one Icelandic word.

Icelandic is Germanic. It's not too difficult to learn if you already speak Swedish Norwegian or Danish. Even English is a help.

I think the most difficult European languages are Finnish, Estonian, Hungarian and Basque, but not necessarily in that order :)  



Svifnökkvinn minn er fullur af álum  ;D

"Archimedes was a liar"

Pi is 3.125

Lord Christopher Monckton (aka the Potty Peer)


http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/05/monckton_caught_making_things.php

His logo is a bit too pink for me.

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Is the Pi thing fair dinkum, or just some piss take?
Sorry if I am too dense to know, but if it is fair dinkum, I am surprised I had not heard about it before now, so my naturally skeptical (and cynical) nature, leads me to assume it must be a joke, but if it is not, it is pretty bizzarre that nobody discovered it before, and noticed how well the original Pi seemed to work, for so long.

I thought the same thing mozz, but then I re read the post and this stuck out-


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It also highlights a major deficiency in the climate modelling currently being used by the IPCC and clearly shows that man could not have landed on the moon. By using the incorrect value of Pi, they would have actually landed 2.3 million miles, or almost 5% short of the mark

So, do you believe there was a moon landing?

Thanks Skippy, I did see that bit, and realised that it was being presented as a pisstake, but link to the guys site looked pretty fair dinkum, and I was wondering more about the author, is it a legitimate guy proposing it, or is it "All" just a joke.
There are people that put forward weird stuff all the time, and they are very sincere about it, I just wondered if the guy who wrote the book is ridgy didge, or like some norman gunston of mathematics.

I wonder if people pull stunts like this to flush the loonies out of the undergrowth to come forward and support them, like GW skeptics have their plethora of experts who support every crackpot idea that comes along, so long as it is against GW.

If he is sincere then it will be interesting to see if anyone can take his money off him, or if everything is couched in such a way to make things ambiguous, so as to be irrefutable.

wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2009 at 12:42pm:

I thought the same thing mozz, but then I re read the post and this stuck out- Quote: It also highlights a major deficiency in the climate modelling currently being used by the IPCC and clearly shows that man could not have landed on the moon. By using the incorrect value of Pi, they would have actually landed 2.3 million miles, or almost 5% short of the mark

Mozzoak was right. It was a pisstake. The moon is only  384 thousand kilometres away. I pulled the 2.3 million miles from nowhere and now that I can be stuffed to do the calculation, 2.3 million miles is  actually 600% of that distance.  ;D

It basically goes to show that people can make totally absurd claims without laughing, and get somebody somewhere to believe them.

As far as the Pi author is concerned, I guess I'd better be serious here -  he's obviously far more advanced than any of us (possibly an alien lifeform). A quick view of this important piece of human endeavour reveals that it is about higher levels above science, sometimes conveniently called philosophy (of Pi). Or it has been called Pi 'Swedish Science' (PISS) or to use the Swedish acronym,  CRANK.  

Now because this incredible work has already reached perfection, there are no errors, hence, no Swedish Crowns  ;D ;D ;D


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So, do you believe there was a moon landing?

As The governor of California would say "Get owt of heer"

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 4^th, 2009 at 9:13pm:

amadd - hahahaha 3.1415926535 - from memory

Isn't it    22 / 7  ?

3.14159 26535 89793 23846 26433 83279 50288 4197

That's Pi to 39 digits. At that level of precision, a circle encompassing the diameter of the known universe would be accurate to the diameter of a proton.

Not sure if this attachment will work, but it's a pi calculator. It calculates Pi to heaps more digits than you'll ever need..

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This would be very easy to disprove.  Draw a circle with a diameter of 1m and then get a piece of string 3.125m long......

HypnoticTortoise wrote on Nov 13^th, 2009 at 5:55pm:

This would be very easy to disprove.  Draw a circle with a diameter of 1m and then get a piece of string 3.125m long......

It's a crank site that I selected at random to make a point.  ;)

The point was that if you make an argument with enough technical detail to confuse your readers, then you might actually convince some people, especially if they want to believe the conclusion in the first place.  :)

It is really amazing that right back from the days of Archimedes people have been calculating the value of pi and each generation just defines it a bit. And the method used in Ancient Greece is still used now: making quadrilaterals to fill the area of a circle, all the more amazing because all they had back then was a straight edge (not a ruler, a straight edge) and a compass!

Calculating pi is done with new computers to make sure they work correctly. it is also done to thousands of decimal places to provide tables of random numbers.

I was taken in by it, even though the bit about missing the moon was there to highlight it's silliness, the fact that I have no understanding of the finer points of mathematics, and that he put his money where his mouth is, created enough uncertainty for me.

It is very instructional in highlighting the old Menzies truism, "bullshit baffles brains", a system he used to great effect to stay in power longer than any other PM in our history.


In fact, I am so confused by the whole question now, that I could probably be tricked even further on the subject.

That muso chose to show it as an example of how confusionalist deniers work their mass voodoo made me consider just how easily people who have no great interest in a subject, or expert knowledge of a subject, can be so easily taken in.

Of course denialists will make the claim that all the governments and great scientific institutions of the world are colluding to produce a lie, and they, and the handful of dissenting scientists, are the ones clever enough to see through it.

That is their case in a nutshell, once you have stripped away all their lies and confusionalist BS, and so we, the average people, are left with a choice of whom should we believe?

Now few are more cynical than myself, and few have a greater mistrust of bureaucracy, and politicians, but even coming from that position, I still cannot see how it would be possible for so many independent individuals to come together and collude to create such a global phenomenon.

On top of that we have the science, real data, from real scientists, whose arguments are not even challenged by denialists, because they know they do not have any evidence to credibly challenge the science, and this is where the quasi scientists come in, working from tractor sheds in ohio, you can get theories on water vapour being the driving factor, and evangelical bible quotes from the same source.

Of course people have the right to be skeptical, and the right to be cynical, but that does not give them the right to be disingenuous at best, or dishonest at worst.

When the skeptics come up with some real science that impresses the real climate scientists, then I will be happy to reappraise my stance, but unless that happens, I have to support the best qualified, and most experienced people in the world, when they tell me what is happening.

mozzaok wrote on Nov 17^th, 2009 at 10:06am:

I was taken in by it, even though the bit about missing the moon was there to highlight it's silliness.

Actually Amadd's point about the population having too much Pi , just about had me in hysterics. I wish I had thought of that one myself.   ;D

muso wrote on Nov 17^th, 2009 at 8:51am:

HypnoticTortoise wrote on Nov 13th, 2009 at 5:55pm: This would be very easy to disprove.  Draw a circle with a diameter of 1m and then get a piece of string 3.125m long...... It's a crank site that I selected at random to make a point.  ;) The point was that if you make an argument with enough technical detail to confuse your readers, then you might actually convince some people, especially if they want to believe the conclusion in the first place.  :)

Yep, you can make anyone believe just about anything, the American prove it everyday.

I have been haunting an American chat room and the poo those guys come out with simply beggars belief...

22/7, will do me fine.     :P      ;D