It's about time he got the Libs aligned on this. (or attempted)


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Mr Turnbull this morning indicated he was willing to put his leadership on the line over climate change, saying he is not prepared to lead a party not equally as committed. He wants the right to negotiate with the Government on its carbon trading scheme, but his willingness has been criticised by some less-than-enthusiastic backbenchers.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26150984-5003402,00.html

Just when the whole scam is collapsing. Not very savvy.



How the global warming industry is based on one MASSIVE lie

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100011716/how-the-global-warming-industry-is-based-on-one-massive-lie/

what is malcolms stance the suggested tax on air (carbon trading) ?

Soren wrote on Oct 1^st, 2009 at 2:40pm:

Just when the whole scam is collapsing. Not very savvy. How the global warming industry is based on one MASSIVE lie http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100011716/how-the-global-warming-industry-is-based-on-one-massive-lie/

Damn! Sucked in yet again. Oh well, I'll just abandon the laws of physics and all my common sense. If a Daily Telegraph journalist says so, it must be true.  ;D

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 1^st, 2009 at 2:55pm:

what is malcolms stance the suggested tax on air (carbon trading) ?

He obviously supports it, albeit  in an amended form from Rudd's legislation.

I would have no problem with a carbon tax approach.

muso - i have a problem with a carbon tax.
if mal is ok with it he has lost my support on that one
still, that won't give him many sleepless nights.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 1^st, 2009 at 3:31pm:

muso - i have a problem with a carbon tax. if mal is ok with it he has lost my support on that one still, that won't give him many sleepless nights.

Do you have a problem with paying for your garbage removal too?


You might have seen these before. I think he has a good point:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/18/2495308.htm
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25907855-5013871,00.html

i think a carbon tax will be totally ineffective for the environment.

We have to start somewhere, but jumping in front orchestra might prove too difficult to withstand the cost.

Interesting tactic...  he's been pretty useless as leader anyway.
Maybe its time the Nats took the lead.

happy - every other country that has signed up to kyoto hashad to pay HUGE fines.
with not even the possibility of 'cooling the planet"

i've rarely heard such a load of tripe.

muso wrote on Oct 1^st, 2009 at 3:16pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 1st, 2009 at 2:40pm: Just when the whole scam is collapsing. Not very savvy. How the global warming industry is based on one MASSIVE lie http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100011716/how-the-global-warming-industry-is-based-on-one-massive-lie/ Damn! Sucked in yet again. Oh well, I'll just abandon the laws of physics and all my common sense. If a Daily Telegraph journalist says so, it must be true.  ;D

Have a look at the graph at Climate Audit (which broke the story and has been so inundated with hits that its server was almost overwhelmed) and see for yourself.

http://www.climateaudit.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/rcs_chronologies_rev2.gif

The scary red line shooting upwards is the one Al Gore, Michael Mann, Keith Briffa and their climate-fear-promotion chums would like you to believe in. The black one, heading downwards, represents scientific reality.

We “Global Warming Deniers” are often accused of ignoring the weight of scientific opinion. Well if the “science” on which they base their theories is as shoddy as Mann’s Hockey Stick, is it any wonder we think they’re talking cobblers?

Grendel wrote on Oct 1^st, 2009 at 7:41pm:

Interesting tactic...  he's been pretty useless as leader anyway. Maybe its time the Nats took the lead.

Yep.

Truss seems to be a decent fellow and Barnaby is a refreshing, straight shooter.

Can't see it happening though.

Northy.

northy wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2009 at 1:40am:

Grendel wrote on Oct 1st, 2009 at 7:41pm: Interesting tactic...  he's been pretty useless as leader anyway. Maybe its time the Nats took the lead. Yep. Truss seems to be a decent fellow and Barnaby is a refreshing, straight shooter. Can't see it happening though. Northy.

Well if the Libs continue on their merry road to nowhere the Nats could well be the senior member of the coalition in the not too distant future.
Good on ya for knowing Truss is the leader Northy, a survey done on the streets a couple of weeks ago had over 80% of people thinking it was Barny.

as turnbull will not 100% oppose labors ETS i want him fired.

Soren wrote on Oct 1^st, 2009 at 9:58pm:

muso wrote on Oct 1st, 2009 at 3:16pm: Soren wrote on Oct 1st, 2009 at 2:40pm: Just when the whole scam is collapsing. Not very savvy. How the global warming industry is based on one MASSIVE lie http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100011716/how-the-global-warming-industry-is-based-on-one-massive-lie/ Damn! Sucked in yet again. Oh well, I'll just abandon the laws of physics and all my common sense. If a Daily Telegraph journalist says so, it must be true.  ;D Have a look at the graph at Climate Audit (which broke the story and has been so inundated with hits that its server was almost overwhelmed) and see for yourself. http://www.climateaudit.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/rcs_chronologies_rev2.gif The scary red line shooting upwards is the one Al Gore, Michael Mann, Keith Briffa and their climate-fear-promotion chums would like you to believe in. The black one, heading downwards, represents scientific reality. We “Global Warming Deniers” are often accused of ignoring the weight of scientific opinion. Well if the “science” on which they base their theories is as shoddy as Mann’s Hockey Stick, is it any wonder we think they’re talking cobblers?

Climate Audit is a joke. I can't believe they are going on about the so-called Hockey stick graph after so many years.  They used invalid data then, and there has been many more studies done since then. It is so lame that they continue to spread the same lies.

I've already explained the reasoning behind that particular furfie of McIntyre's in previous posts. What is it about the phrase "lying through his teeth" that you don't understand?

This should explain it in simple layman's language:

http://www.desmogblog.com/amazing-it-seem-we-still-have-shoot-down-medieval-warming-crock

Look, 911 conspiracy theorists periodically announce victory, so why should climate change conspiracy theorists be any different?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2009 at 9:02am:

as turnbull will not 100% oppose labors ETS i want him fired.

Malcolm Turnbull might not be as bookish as Kevin Rudd, but he has considerable business acumen and for a politician, he's a very decent bloke.

What a pity he joined the wrong political party.

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What is it about the phrase "lying through his teeth" that you don't understand? This should explain it in simple layman's language:

They know muso, it just dosn't suit their purpose to admit it, even a  
retard wouldn't question climate change nowdays.

i question climate changes cause.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2009 at 9:26am:

i question climate changes cause.

We've been through that many times. Refer to the sticky posts at the top. If there is anything I haven't explained well enough, let me know.

Bear in mind that it's just a simplified explanation - it's not the basis of the science. It's not all based on temperature rise, and it's not all based on climate models either.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2009 at 9:26am:

i question climate changes cause.

We make allowances for you sprint, you are a Kiwi.

thanks skippy.  :)

knew i could trust you