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Message started by abu_rashid on Sep 22nd, 2009 at 2:36pm

Title: Muslim student killed by racists
Post by abu_rashid on Sep 22nd, 2009 at 2:36pm
This Muslim student was killed by racists for defending his Christian friend. Interesting...




Student died 'after race taunts'


Mohammed suffered a serious head injury and died days later

A teenager died after suffering a head injury during a racially-motivated attack in East Sussex, a jury heard.

Mohammed al-Majed, 16, died after the fracas in Hastings which started with racial taunts towards one of his friends, Lewes Crown Court was told.

George Austin, 22, of Barkworth Road, Bermondsey, south London, has denied the Qatari student's manslaughter.

Two other defendants have denied separate charges of attacking two of Mohammed's friends.

Prosecutor Camden Pratt QC, said the events started after one of the defendants, Paul Rockett, and another youth, racially-assaulted Mohammed's friend Peter Henworth, because he was black.

'Shameful events'

He said: "They picked on him because of their presumption of his race and by reason of their prejudice."

"That's what kicked off and started the incident that night; that which led to the shameful events that followed."

The court was told Mr Rockett "took a swing" at 17-year-old Mr Henworth but missed, on 22 August.

Jurors were told that during the ensuing fracas, Arab student Mr al-Majed suffered a serious head injury when he hit the pavement. He died in hospital three days later.

Mr al-Majed was studying English at a language school in Hastings and had been staying with a family in the town for about five weeks before he died.

Bottle attack

He was due to have returned home to Qatar a week later.

Mr Rockett, 21, of Ham Lane, Burwash, near Etchingham, denies racially aggravated common assault.

Another defendant, Alexander Quinn, 19, of Mountbatten Close, Hastings, denies wounding with intent, and unlawful wounding.

He is accused of attacking another of Mr al-Majed's friends, 14-year-old Mojeb Qatani, with a bottle.

Jurors were told they must consider the charges against each defendant separately.

The case continues.

Source: BBC

Title: Re: Muslim student killed by racists
Post by Yadda on Sep 22nd, 2009 at 3:28pm
'Dog bites man.' .....boring news.

'Man bites dog' ???

'Interesting' news indeed!



abu,

Why are there street protests [in the West] by moslems when Mohammed is depicted in a cartoon, or moslems call for the BEHEADING a non-moslem teacher, who innocently suggests Mohammed, as the name for a Teddy Bear?

But when Christians are killed by moslem mobs, in moslem jurisdictions, or when Christian young girls are abducted and raped by moslems, in moslem jurisdictions, moslems in the West don't care???






"Six Christians killed by Muslim Mob in Pakistan"

"....young Christian man accused of blasphemy killed..."

"....Gojra, where a Muslim mob recently killed eight Christians."

"Angry Muslim mob loot, destroy Christian houses in Pakistan"

"Ten Christians Killed in Muslim Rampage..."

"6 Pakistani Christians Killed by Muslim Extremists..."

Google,
christian killed muslim mob
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=christian+killed+muslim+mob&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=o&oq=





Title: Re: Muslim student killed by racists
Post by sprintcyclist on Sep 22nd, 2009 at 5:03pm

2 wrongs do not make a right.
this killing was terrible.
my condolances to the family of this young man.

Title: Re: Muslim student killed by racists
Post by abu_rashid on Sep 22nd, 2009 at 9:15pm
Thank you sprint, good to see. Yadda unfortunately seems to not be touched by the Christian teachings, and instead thinks it's great Muslims get killed.

Anyway the interesting part was he was defending his Christian friend... But all Muslims are supposed to behead Christians right??

Title: Re: Muslim student killed by racists
Post by sprintcyclist on Sep 22nd, 2009 at 10:53pm

hi abu,
I thought it was normal for one person to attempt to save another innocent persons life.
By the report , it was murder. There was no religious assiciation.
Who cares?
It is a legal process.

Title: Re: Muslim student killed by racists
Post by abu_rashid on Sep 22nd, 2009 at 11:01pm

Quote:
I thought it was normal for one person to attempt to save another innocent persons life.


That's right, but according to the posts by yourself, Yadda and soren, one would think a Muslim would never do that for a Christian.


Quote:
By the report , it was murder. There was no religious assiciation.


Did anyone suggest there was?

Title: Re: Muslim student killed by racists
Post by sprintcyclist on Sep 23rd, 2009 at 12:07am

I thought christian and muslim was not the issue in this murder.

you bought it in.
There was not religious commentry.
The white guy may as well have been the muslim, the black guy a christian.


Quote:
But all Muslims are supposed to behead Christians right??

that's what some clercs of islam say.
though they have been a bit restrained as of late.
so it'ld be nice if the many muslims of the world could "educate" the "True meaning" of islam.
cause they have the resources to teach them one method of islam.
and it's been taught from the koran.

so you work on that.



Title: Re: Muslim student killed by racists
Post by Yadda on Sep 23rd, 2009 at 8:28am

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 22nd, 2009 at 9:15pm:
Thank you sprint, good to see. Yadda unfortunately seems to not be touched by the Christian teachings, and instead thinks it's great Muslims get killed.

Anyway the interesting part was he was defending his Christian friend... But all Muslims are supposed to behead Christians right??



Wrong.


abu,

How do you know that the victim [deceased] was a moslem??

And how do you know that his friend, was a Christian??




Yes, it could well be, that the attack was racially motivated.

But perhaps the deceased was an apostate moslem, and perhaps neither the deceased, nor his friend, were Christians??

All we can say for certain, is that the deceased, whatever his beliefs, has 'gone to God'.





Title: Re: Muslim student killed by racists
Post by soren on Sep 23rd, 2009 at 8:30am

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 22nd, 2009 at 11:01pm:

Quote:
I thought it was normal for one person to attempt to save another innocent persons life.


That's right, but according to the posts by yourself, Yadda and soren, one would think a Muslim would never do that for a Christian.



There is an undelying assumption in what you say and it needs clearing up.


I have never said or imagined that Mulim can do no good. I have met many warm, open and generous Muslims. And I have no doubt that these people act as Muslims, according to their understanding of Muslim tenets of hospitality and generosity.

The point for me, always, is that when Muslims do bad things they also do it very often (but not always) as muslims, as followers of Mohammed. Rioting, intimidation, cheating, assault are in this category. When they do very, very bad things, when they mass murder civilians, they always do these acts according to their understanding of islam.

While Islam is the ground from which individual generosity grows in many cases, it is also the ground from which vicious oppression and murderous insanity also grows in disturbingly large number of other cases.


Title: Re: Muslim student killed by racists
Post by abu_rashid on Sep 23rd, 2009 at 9:19am
sprint,


Quote:
I thought christian and muslim was not the issue in this murder.


Seems you still fail to grasp what's been posted here. Nowhere did I state religion had anything to do with the murder (although it could've, I never mentioned any such thing).


Quote:
The white guy may as well have been the muslim, the black guy a christian.


The black guy was a Christian....

Did you even read the article? Let me put it into easier steps for you to understand:

1) White guys decide to attack a black guy (a Christian, read back, his name is Peter).
2) Peter's friend, a Qatari Muslim named Muhammad (perhaps coffee coloured in your racialist view of people... right??) intervenes to protect his friend and gets murdered.

Now the white guys may well have attacked them thinking they were all Muslim, I don't know, and nowhere did I speculate about that. My only mention of religion was that a Muslim died defending his Christian friend. Nowhere did I state religion was directly related to the committing of the crime.


Quote:
that's what some clercs of islam say


Simply not true. They might say it about enemies who are invading Muslim countries and murdering Muslims... but then again, what would you say about anyone who invaded Australia and murdered Australians??? You'd turn the other cheek right?? And love him, even though he was your enemy, and show him mercy and kindness... right?? Yeh right!!!


Quote:
so it'ld be nice if the many muslims of the world could "educate" the "True meaning" of islam


Said it enough times for you. It just never sinks in. The true meaning of Islam is submission to the will of God. Islam is about peace with those who want peace, not those who come to invade, conquer and dominate. What kind of belief system would teach people to call unconditionally only for peace?? Even at the expense of your own self defence?? A hypocritical one only.. in which they say "we believe only in peace and love" then slaughter people left right and centre, waging wars all over the world and then claim "But that's not our religion, that's our secular military", the epitome of hypocrisy.

Title: Re: Muslim student killed by racists
Post by abu_rashid on Sep 23rd, 2009 at 9:25am
Yadda,


Quote:
How do you know that the victim [deceased] was a moslem??
And how do you know that his friend, was a Christian??


Based purely on assumptions I made from their names.


Quote:
Yes, it could well be, that the attack was racially motivated.


"Student died after race taunts"

Could well be...


Quote:
But perhaps the deceased was an apostate moslem, and perhaps neither the deceased, nor his friend, were Christians??


True... they could've been Jedi Knights, or Sith even..


Quote:
All we can say for certain, is that the deceased, whatever his beliefs, has 'gone to God'.


We don't know that for sure.

And if he was a good practising Muslim, following "The death cult of Islam" as you put it, then shouldn't he goto hell? Please elaborate on this one Yadda.

Title: Re: Muslim student killed by racists
Post by Yadda on Sep 23rd, 2009 at 10:08am

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 23rd, 2009 at 9:19am:
sprint,


Quote:
I thought christian and muslim was not the issue in this murder.


Seems you still fail to grasp what's been posted here. Nowhere did I state religion had anything to do with the murder (although it could've, I never mentioned any such thing).



Then why did you, yourself, imply that religion had something to do with the murder???

Unless you wanted us all to assume this 'fact'???


The first line in abu's post in this thread.....

Quote:

"This Muslim student was killed by racists for defending his Christian friend. Interesting..."



Dictionary,
imply = = indicate by suggestion rather than explicit reference. suggest as a logical consequence.


All that you are doing abu on this forum, is digging 'ditches', in the hope that other forum members will fall into your traps.

How VERY, moslem of you.

Psalms 7:14
Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood.
15  He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made.
16  His mischief shall return upon his own head, and his violent dealing shall come down upon his own pate.






Quote:
[quote]The white guy may as well have been the muslim, the black guy a christian.


The black guy was a Christian....

Did you even read the article? Let me put it into easier steps for you to understand:


[/quote]

Nowhere is that stated - in your original post of this news story.








Title: Re: Muslim student killed by racists
Post by abu_rashid on Sep 23rd, 2009 at 10:51am
Yadda,


Quote:
Then why did you, yourself, imply that religion had something to do with the murder???


My post does not imply religion had anything to do with the murder at all. I merely pointed out that the religion of the victim, did not prevent him defending his friend (and eventually dying for him) even though he was of a different religion. That's got nothing to do with the murder at all.


Quote:
[quote]The black guy was a Christian....

Nowhere is that stated - in your original post of this news story.[/quote]

That's right... but since posting on this forum, I've adopted the idea of just assuming people are from a certain religion based on their name. And since "Peter" is one of the most Christian names... I'm making that assumption.

Title: Re: Muslim student killed by racists
Post by Yadda on Sep 23rd, 2009 at 10:58am

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 23rd, 2009 at 9:25am:
Yadda,


Quote:
All we can say for certain, is that the deceased, whatever his beliefs, has 'gone to God'.


We don't know that for sure.

And if he was a good practising Muslim, following "The death cult of Islam" as you put it, then shouldn't he goto hell? Please elaborate on this one Yadda.



When we die, we will be judged before God's throne seat.

That is what i believe.

Years ago, in a personal vision, i saw the great judgement hall, and saw God's throne seat.
But in my vision, i couldn't look upon the one who was sitting in that judgement seat.
As i stood in a far corner of that hall, an angel, a 'spirit', stood beside me and spoke, and then we watched, as 'priests' entered the hall.
All of these 'priests', then divided into two camps, in the judgement hall.
I'm not sure [i should have asked!], but i supposed that these 'persons' were all my 'priests', or the 'witnesses' of judgement, of my life.
.....luckily for me, it wasn't 'my time', i took the vision as a spiritual warning, to me personally.



Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:


Revelation 3:19
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.




Do you believe my testimony abu???

Time, yes time, is coming to an end.





Title: Re: Muslim student killed by racists
Post by Yadda on Sep 23rd, 2009 at 11:09am

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 23rd, 2009 at 10:51am:
Yadda,


Quote:
Then why did you, yourself, imply that religion had something to do with the murder???


My post does not imply religion had anything to do with the murder at all. I merely pointed out that the religion of the victim, did not prevent him defending his friend (and eventually dying for him) even though he was of a different religion. That's got nothing to do with the murder at all.



But we do not know the religion, or the religious convictions, of the people involved in this news story.

It is not, was not, stated.i

Quote:
[quote][quote]The black guy was a Christian....

Nowhere is that stated - in your original post of this news story.[/quote]

That's right... but since posting on this forum, I've adopted the idea of just assuming people are from a certain religion based on their name. And since "Peter" is one of the most Christian names... I'm making that assumption.

[/quote]

Hmmmmm.


God does not accept circumcision, but what is in the heart.

But you judge a persons religion, based upon their name?


Jeremiah 9:25
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will punish all them which are circumcised with the uncircumcised;
26  Egypt, and Judah, and Edom, and the children of Ammon, and Moab, and all that are in the utmost corners, that dwell in the wilderness: for all these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart.




Title: Re: Muslim student killed by racists
Post by abu_rashid on Sep 23rd, 2009 at 11:16am

Quote:
But you judge a persons religion, based upon their name?


Seems to be the modus operandi around here. So I'm just trying to 'integrate' into the way things are done here.

Don't you see a bit of a contradiction though Yadda, that in this case, you discount the possiblity of even considering the religious convictions of those reported about in the media merely based on their names. Yet in countless other threads, you've condemned all Muslims based on the name of someone reported about in the media....

Title: Re: Muslim student killed by racists
Post by Yadda on Sep 23rd, 2009 at 11:32am

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 23rd, 2009 at 11:16am:

Quote:
But you judge a persons religion, based upon their name?


Seems to be the modus operandi around here. So I'm just trying to 'integrate' into the way things are done here.

Don't you see a bit of a contradiction though Yadda, that in this case, you discount the possiblity of even considering the religious convictions of those reported about in the media merely based on their names. Yet in countless other threads, you've condemned all Muslims based on the name of someone reported about in the media....


Oh! Is that so abu???




On that point, your argument, i refer you to what soren has already stated earlier in this thread...



Quote:

"...The point for me, always, is that when Muslims do bad things they also do it very often (but not always) as muslims, as followers of Mohammed. Rioting, intimidation, cheating, assault are in this category. When they do very, very bad things, when they mass murder civilians, they always do these acts according to their understanding of islam."

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1253594212/8#8


And that is the essential difference between 'Christian' miscreants, and moslems.



When moslems murder, they [often] do it in the name of their god, Allah, and proudly cry out,
"Allah Akbar!!!"


Examples....

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/



Whereas, when [nominal] 'Christians' murder, they will try to hide, and deny the act.

And they, rarely, and almost never, connect such deeds to their nominal faith.

i.e. When nominal 'Christians' murder, they understand that their action was WRONG.

Not so, moslems.



Title: Re: Muslim student killed by racists
Post by abu_rashid on Sep 23rd, 2009 at 1:10pm
What you're describing Yadda is probably more related to the fact that many more Christians are 'nominal' Christians than Muslims are 'nominal' Muslims.

Dictionary,
nominal = = being such in name only; so-called;


Quote:
Whereas, when [nominal] 'Christians' murder, they will try to hide, and deny the act.


Plenty of fervantly practising Christians have murdered and proudly considered it part of their faith. Not to mention hijacked planes (recently in Mexico), bombed abortion clinics, bombed the Olympics (Atlanta), bombed entire buildings to the ground (Oklahoma)...


Quote:
And they, rarely, and almost never, connect such deeds to their nominal faith.


Neither do nominal Muslims.


Quote:
i.e. When nominal 'Christians' murder, they understand that their action was WRONG.
Not so, moslems.


Most people who murder don't consider themselves to be wrong, Muslim or Christian.

Title: Re: Muslim student killed by racists
Post by Yadda on Sep 23rd, 2009 at 3:17pm

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 23rd, 2009 at 1:10pm:

Quote:
And they [nominal Christians], rarely, and almost never, connect such deeds [i.e. violence, hatred, etc] to their nominal faith.


Neither do nominal Muslims.



But good moslems do connect such deeds [i.e. violence, hatred, etc] to their faith.!!!


The Koran itself, instructs moslems, that violence against non-moslems is prescribed,
...because they are not moslems.

"Fighting [against non-moslems] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/002.qmt.html#002.216
[i.e.... fighting the non-moslems, to bring Allah's way, is an obligation upon all good moslems.]

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/009.qmt.html#009.029

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/009.qmt.html#009.123i

Quote:
[quote]i.e. When nominal 'Christians' murder, they understand that their action was WRONG.
Not so, moslems.


Most people who murder don't consider themselves to be wrong, Muslim or Christian.


[/quote]


abu,

The truth is, that almost all moslems, and every good moslem is/are religious bigots.

Whereas, almost all Christians, are NOT religious bigots.



Why would i make such a accusation?

Moslems are religious bigots, because ISLAM requires a good moslem to be intolerant of Christians, and other non-moslems,
....BECAUSE THE ARE NOT MOSLEMS.

Whereas, when Christians express religious bigotry, and rail against moslems and their faith,
.....it is because Christians have come to understand that the moslems themselves are religious bigots, because ISLAM requires a good moslem to be intolerant of Christians, and other non-moslems,
....BECAUSE THE ARE NOT MOSLEMS.


To sum up this point.....

Christianity does not require Christians to be religious bigots.

But ISLAM does require moslems to be religious bigots.



Moslems are instructed by ISLAM, that it is OK, 'legitimate', for a moslem to murder persons who reject ISLAM, and its authority over their lives.

Christianity makes no such determination, concerning Christianity.





Justification for killing of non-muslims, stated within ISLAMIC law texts....

Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."....
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/law/fiqhussunnah/fus3_50.html#3.110

Parraphrasing the meaning...

"Whoever.....becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."



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