idealism 1/  a caliphate will rule over the world.
even though one has not existed for 100's of years and muslims countries are imploding.
even though most people do WANT free and open elections, islamics cling to this absurdity.

idealism 2/ islam is peace.  until anyone disagrees with it, then you face death, banning, censuring, jail.
Same as anyone who leaves islam.

idealism 3/ mohammad was good.
hahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahaha
the illiterate warring sex crazed camelpiss drinking paedophile was far from good.

idealism 4/ no muslim does any harm.  so do not say a thing against any muslim ever.
even though they may cite the koran or mohammads actions as justification, don't say a word against them.

Someone surely is a little infantile around here..


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even though one has not existed for 100's of years

Better learn to count. The last Caliphate ended in 1924, that's less than 100 years, and certainly not 100's.

http://www.haqeeqat.org/ext/img/the_caliph_deposed.jpg

thanks for your updating there abu

mod.1/  change that to 90 years.
the world has changed a bit in the past 90 years.
if a caliph was last around then, it is very doubtful it can exist successfully now.
well, by poof of last of any example, it can't.

90 years back, for a muslim, that's pretty modern !!!!!!!!!
most muslims harken back to greater days further than that.
no wonder there are no inventions coming from that huge portion of the globe.

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the world has changed a bit in the past 90 years.

Parliamentary democracies also existed 90 years ago... and?

In fact democracy goes back to the time of the ancient Greeks, so it's a really ancient ideology. If just being ancient is a reason to abandon a governing system, then democracy should certainly go.

idealism 5/ an islamic state has little or no crime or violence.

despite the jails in said states becoming overcrowded, punishments being chopping off a hand or foot, or public beheading.

The Caliphate was very crime free. Even Western historians conclude this. Your claims of overcrowded gaols come from your dreams.

it was a report in newspapers.
i think iran has had a record number of executions this year

so, not really so crime free.

In case you hadn't noticed, Iran is not a Caliphate.

Not too quick on the uptake are we?

that's correct, as you said a caliphate is a fantasy.

iran is an islamic state, therefore indicative of the average islamics dream

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 31^st, 2009 at 4:15pm:

The Caliphate was very crime free. Even Western historians conclude this. Your claims of overcrowded gaols come from your dreams.

Yeah, right. For every Ali Baba and his brother there were 40 thieves. Not exactly crime free.

And religious reason behind all the crime?

If god did not want me to commit crime, he would not allow me to do that.
(Logical but childish)

crime is an unwanted byproduct of freedom of choice
the only way to not have crime is to have no freedom.

god gave us freedom of choice, unfortunately that also gives us the freedom to committ crimes.

sprint that's just not the case. Societies with very little freedom still have crime.

Crime is related to many factors. And it's well known there are clear deterrants to crime. For instance, a society in which poverty levels are very low, generally will not have as much crime, but there's other factors also like the general level of respect in the society as well. A society which has little respect for others and worships individualism and personal freedoms, will of course have a high crime rate.

A society that is dictatorial, harsh, unyielding and undemocratic IS the worst crime.